If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

POSTED BY: captaincrunch
UPDATED: Thursday, April 9, 2020 05:50
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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:34 PM

... what would you do differently if anything?

It might be too early to know. Your supplies might last, they might not. I will definitely look at getting a smallish freezer for our basement and load it up. We have adopted an intermittent fasting routine that we experimented with last year which makes all our food stuffs last a lot longer. Basically, you have a 16-ish hour window in which you don't eat anything except coffee, tea, and water, which is actually pretty easy. It means you can eat up until 7pm, and then nothing until 11am (except coffee, tea, and water). Since a lot of that is time spent sleeping, it goes by pretty fast. On a few days we wouldn't eat until 4-5pm, so we only ate one meal a day essentially. That makes everything last a lot longer obviously.

Firewood for heating just in case? Guns? Order more food delivery?

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 2, 2020 10:08 PM

If you have a basement, I would look at getting a LARGISH freezer and loading it up. Since basments are always cooler, that's a good place to keep a freezer: it won't use as much energy. I have a smallish freezer, and it doesn't go far for a family of three (also on a modified fast most of the time)

Not sure if you have any special food restrictions, but I would also look at dried beans, rice and/or corn, and canned goods.

Masks. Get masks - N95 respirators or the Chinese equivalent (KN95) when you can, and hand sanitizer.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, April 3, 2020 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you have a basement, I would look at getting a LARGISH freezer and loading it up. Since basments are always cooler, that's a good place to keep a freezer: it won't use as much energy. I have a smallish freezer, and it doesn't go far for a family of three (also on a modified fast most of the time)

Not sure if you have any special food restrictions, but I would also look at dried beans, rice and/or corn, and canned goods.

Masks. Get masks - N95 respirators or the Chinese equivalent (KN95) when you can, and hand sanitizer.

No food restrictions other than preferring fresh over frozen foods. There's just 2 of us, so it feels like a 5-7 cubic foot freezer would be more than enough + what's in our main freezer. Frozen veggies are pretty good imho, so at least that's a plus. We have tons of dried goods - our pantry is almost a joke it's so full - just about anything shelf stable went in to the cart.

There are tons of youtube vids for sewing masks, but I don't have a sewing machine. Below, a link to a pretty smart no-sew mask. I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...? Or wipe sanitizer on the outside...just for a quick shopping trip, in and out? I don't see myself buying N95 masks any time soon.

http://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-a
nd-hair-tie

THG

Friday, April 3, 2020 3:12 AM

I'll do what I did the first time. Continue to prepare. I have masks and gloves ordered that won't show until mid-May or so. I have plenty of food and more coming in two days.

Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

1KIKI

Friday, April 3, 2020 3:59 AM

Quote:
I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...?

I wouldn't. You'd be breathing sanitizer (chlorox, alcohol, quat ammonium, other) fumes the whole time until it dried out and became ineffective.

1KIKI

Friday, April 3, 2020 4:03 AM

Quote:
Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...

Was it sudden or was she stumbling/ wobbling side-to-side a bit and/ or unable to jump over time?

Is she in pain?

If sudden and in pain, it could be a 'saddle embolus' which is a blood clot in an artery that supplies a portion of the spinal chord. It's irreversible, and the best thing to do is to humanely euthanize her ASAP so as to not keep her in pain.

But I extend my sympathy to your cat, and of course to you.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, April 3, 2020 4:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...?
I wouldn't. You'd be breathing sanitizer (chlorox, alcohol, quat ammonium, other) fumes the whole time until it dried out and became ineffective.

Roger that - got out the magnifier to read the cautions - "do not get near your eyes." If you get any in your eyes it's like a 20 minute wash under cool running water. Yikes. Figures - we'd of heard already if it worked.
And something I did not know about hand sanitizer. They suggest you wash your hands after using it. Huh.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, April 3, 2020 4:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...

Really sorry to hear that, T. That's rough timing. Best of luck - hang in there.

THG

Friday, April 3, 2020 4:30 AM

Thanks, as for a blood clot the vet said there was good blood flow to her hind legs. If she can't stand tomorrow it's back to the vet and perhaps, she will have to be put down. She also has high blood pressure. I got her a prescription that she started today. Slim chance it will help with the other thing but hope is all I have left.

The only thing I'm sure of is that I'll put what's best for her ahead of my desire to to not let her go.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 3, 2020 5:58 PM

Poor kitty. We have all (or most of us, anyway) had beloved pets that we had to euthanize. Mine was a ginger tabby named Ginger. (He was a street foundling, along with his brother Pepper, and I named them before anyone knew what sex they were.) He was Mr friendly, would walk with me when I walked the dog, or just sit companionably when I was doing something quiet. He always appreciated, but never demanded, a petting and tolerated baths when his fur became matted. He was a fierce hunter of pocket gophers, many of which I had to mercy-kill, and would often eat everything but the snout and front teeth (eeew).

They all hve their personalities and their lives wind thru ours.

I hope your kitty gets better, THUGR, but I'm content knowing that youll do the right thing either way. Peace to you and your cat.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 3, 2020 11:57 PM

Kudos to the Captain for a rare constructive thread around here.

I propose the big brains in the RWED come up with a list of stuff to always have on hand, and a reasonable amount to have. Reasonable, being the important word, because you don't want to let fear turn you into a hoarder. Not everybody lives in a nice big house and has a ton of room for storage too. Lot's of people out there in 1 bedroom apartments that are sitting on 5 years of toilet paper at the moment.

Also, I noticed that while supplies at the local Aldi seemed to be doing much, much better about 10 days ago (in the morning), when I went back 2 days ago near closing time it still looked pretty awful and a lot of stuff was just not in stock. I still have yet to go back in the morning to see how it looks when the store just opens. It probably looks OK in the morning, but I really had thought that by now this wouldn't be an issue anymore.

The panic buying hasn't stopped, apparently, and the act of shopping (and hoarding) is fulfilling several needs at once. There's always the instant gratification of shopping that a lot of people have, but now you can add the fact that going out to shop is one of the very few things that they are even allowed to do outside of their house that isn't illegal, and otherwise powerless people feel like they're accomplishing something by stocking up more, and really it's just a way to break up the monotony of staying at home with your thumb up your ass all day long.

So... "If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall..." (assuming, of course, that it ever goes away this summer in the first place)...

Make a shopping list to spend that $1,200 per person on if things go back somewhat to normal in the upcoming months.

What should you have on hand? What are things that you wish you had on hand now that you haven't seen in stores at all or that you rarely see? What do you wish you have right now that you can't get?

Answers to these questions are likely to pop up at any time, whether you're out shopping and the lack of something you want (or just really need) is not available. Use your existing circumstances as a learning experience and take full advantage of the supplies being re-stocked in the future to make sure you have what you feel you need if this comes back or something else happens in the future.

Also, keep in mind that if it does "go away" and then "come back" next fall, the response from authorities is likely to be even more severe and places that remained open this time might not be deemed "essential" next time. Who knows? Maybe Home Depot and Menards don't make the cut.

Anyway... here's a short list of things off the top of my head. I'm adding some stuff that I'm not worried about having but know that other people are, but feel free to add things that I'm not likely to think of in my situation and I'll update it. I'm also adding quantities per person, but feel free to let me know if you feel that is too much or too little as well.

STUFF THAT HAS BEEN HARD TO GET:
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Face Masks - Qty: I dunno... If you feel the need for them now and have them, then track how many you go through. If you don't have them but have read up on how often they should be changed then compare that to how often you and anybody in your house go out now. Keep in mind that this was the FIRST thing to disappear from the shelves, even before the toilet paper was gone.

Hand Sanitizer/Wipes - Qty: Again, I dunno. I don't use the stuff. How much are you going through? Do you have any? Do you wish you had more right now? Keep an inventory of what you have and how quickly you go through it compared to how many people are using it. If you're rationing them now, is it because you truly didn't have enough or are you being too frugal with them (you probably won't know that answer until things ge

WHOZIT

Saturday, April 4, 2020 12:44 AM

I hope I get it, I'll get two weeks paid vacation thanks to Trump. I'll just lay around the house, drink beer and watch porn...really dirty porn...and order a pizza.

WHOZIT

Saturday, April 4, 2020 12:44 AM

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:48 AM

Well, I think SIX you have to define what sort of emergency you might prepare for, and how long it's likely to last.

A blizzard might keep you homebound for a week. An ice storm might take down powerlines ... all the way from the high=tension lines to the ones going to your house ... which might not be repaired for up to two weeks. True story; tree limbs landing on power lines in an ice storm in NY to VT destroyed a lot of the electrical grid which had to be entirely rebuilt. Some of the more outlying houses didn't get electricity restored by almost 2 weeks. Doesn't sound like much until you realize that your furnace fan runs on electricity ... so no heat ... and many water heaters and stoves use pilotless (eletric) ignition.

Hurricanes are another widespread, long-lasting emergency: some victims of Katrina didn't even get evacuated for 10 days, many parts of Puerto Rico still don't have electricity.

Moving up on the scale of disasters, a major earthquake under a major metropolitan area, (say) Los Angeles, would disrupt power, gas, AND water. So, no sewage handling (no flushable water) and no trash pickup. I wouldn't expect meaningful help to arrive for almost a month.

Higher up on the scale, to a true catastrophe, would be a big solar EMP aimed straight at the middle of N America. (I was only partially joking in WISHY's thread.) Every transformer from the substations to the local pole pigs would be destroyed. It takes about a year to rebuild those substation transformers. Every winding in every motor would be fried. There goes the dynamos at the power stations, your rerigerator compressor, and the pumps which bring you fresh water every day. Most vehicles would be inoperable. Even emergency generators (hospitals, water treatment plants, yours ...) would be toast. Now THAT is a catastrophe!

*****

There's only so much an individual can prepare for. One month is about the longest a household could carry on individually. After that, preparation is at the city, state, and Federal level.

So, limiting preparations to one month ....

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#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 4, 2020 8:07 AM

It's more about peace of mind than anything else. Half of the panic the last few weeks was about not being able to buy shit.

People are talking about buying ice chests and running extra electricity to stock up on a years supply of frozen foods that they're going to have to rotate for the rest of their lives. You'll notice my food section advises against this practice, and is the least when it comes to any sort of prep.

The rest of that stuff is not only things you're going to use anyhow, but aside from the toilet paper and paper towels is fairly small stuff and none of it goes bad.

Why would you ever have only one month of those things on hand before this hit let alone after it hit? If your goal is to only have one month, then you're not preparing for the future at all and you're likely to just run out of stuff like 90% of Americas were before this happened and you're bound to find yourself without something you can't buy because you forgot to pick more up at the last minute before something like this happens again.

Seriously. No less than 6 months of all the other stuff on hand at any given time isn't hoarding, even when everything is fine. And having 12 months on hand doesn't take up much more space either. If everybody did that, there wouldn't have been shortages in the stores of TP and hand sanitizers.

If you've got that, then the only goods you're concerned about are food, and even among all the panic buying there was always plenty of that to be found even if you weren't able to find all the things you were specifically looking for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 5:17 AM

already stocked up, back stock up a little more

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 6:10 PM

SIX, I think your list is misdirected a bit.

Your list is more for the DIYer. There's nothing wrong with ... in fact, there's a tremendous amount RIGHT with ...being a DIYer.

But we're talking emergencies here, not a way of life.

Do you know what people REALLY find helpful in emergencies (ice storms, hurricanes, and earthquakes)? CHAIN SAWS. Yep, just like the fire department uses. Great for cutting ice- or hurricane-downed trees/limbs, or taking apart house frames for rescue.

GENERATOR OR OFF-GRID SOLAR. Like you said: you won't need it until you need it, and then it will be the best purchase you ever made.

WORK GLOVES

FOOD AND (SOMETIMES) POTABLE WATER. Not necessary for some emergencies but a definite must for any emergency where general transportation is cut off. This can be an ice storm, blizzard, hurricane, earthquake, general insurrection.

A ONE-MONTH SUPPLY OF YOUR MEDS AND OTC DRUGS, CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL, etc Not necessary for some emergencies but a definite must for any emergency where general transportation is cut off.

A CELL PHONE

A VEHICLE FULL OF GAS. It can charge your cellphone or be a place to sleep if your house is collapsed or uninhabitable. Look at Superstorm Sandy: the electricity was out citywide, so the gas stations were out because the pumps ran on electricity, and there were only a few, rare stations with generators

A FIRST AID KIT, if the emergency involved physical injury.

So, not looking at this from a DIYer POV but from an ACTUAL EMERGENCY POV.

*****

At some point, tho, a prolonged emergency does turn into a way of life. So, if you want to add things to your DIYer list ...

If you have any patch of ground to call your own: a garden.

This coronavirus in particular may compromise not only the spring planting but the summer/fall harvest of fresh vegetables from the southern states (California, Texas, Florida) which the entire nation appreciates. You might not be able to get fresh vegetables in the wintertime, but at least you can enjoy them in the summer and fall.

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THG

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:22 PM

T

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JO753

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:49 PM

Best wishez for your cat.

A freezr haz narrow apocolypse ranje:

The grosery situation haz gon to hell, but the power iz still on.

You need to add solar power to the freezr.

And everybody thinks N95 mask- if you can send yourself a note bak i time, stok up on N100 masks.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:10 PM

I really am not looking forward to the next trip to the grocery store. Going to have a freaking line out the door like I'm herded cattle since they're only letting a few people in at a time. It's going to take 6 hours to buy food now.

Let's keep overreacting about everything until people just say fuck it and start killing each other.

Good times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Best wishez for your cat.

A freezr haz narrow apocolypse ranje:

The grosery situation haz gon to hell, but the power iz still on.

You need to add solar power to the freezr.

And everybody thinks N95 mask- if you can send yourself a note bak i time, stok up on N100 masks.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

I lost the cat JO. She never regained her ability to walk. It was fast. The whole thing was over in 24 hrs. I'm just very grateful I was home when it happened. She was never alone.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:05 AM

You have my heartfelt sympathies about your cat, THG. At least it was fast, it would have been terrible if she had lingered in pain.

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1KIKI

Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:20 PM

If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

Virus unlikely to diminish significantly with warm weather, scientific panel reports (WaPo)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

Virus unlikely to diminish significantly with warm weather, scientific panel reports (WaPo)

We all know that WaPo is a news organization that can be trusted.

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I lost the cat JO. She never regained her ability to walk. It was fast. The whole thing was over in 24 hrs. I'm just very grateful I was home when it happened. She was never alone.

I didn't see this earlier. You have my sympathies.

1KIKI

Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:18 AM

To get back to the OP

If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:26 AM

Ya don't say, huh?

Old fake news. I've already been telling people that when and if the oppressive government shutdowns lighten up this summer to enjoy it while it lasts and prepare for at least another 6 months of this starting in late fall.

Looks like the fake news is a little behind in prepping the sheep to think about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:48 AM

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php

Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds
Published 11:32 am EDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020

Rapid Expert Consultation on SARS-CoV-2 Survival in Relation to Temperature and Humidity and Potential for Seasonality for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 7, 2020)
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25771/rapid-expert-consultation-on-sars-co
v-2-survival-in-relation-to-temperature-and-humidity-and-potential-for-seasonality-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-7-2020

It seems like everyone is 'in' on the fake disease. The scientists and doctors from all around the globe; WHO and the CDC not to mention medical systems everywhere; China, Iran, and Russia; plus Italy, Spain, and all of Europe ... even BoJo arranged a fake trip to a fake ICU despite his original response to the British to 'take it on the chin'. The only one not on board is Bolsonaro ... and Jack.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:55 AM

Ruh Roh...

Better plan on rolling out Stimulus Bill number 10 come wintertime that allows for $600 per person per week for the rest of our lives when they don't let us ever leave home again.

At least until somebody decides we're not worth it anymore and they just pull the plug.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 9, 2020 3:02 AM

Back to the OP

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php

Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds
Published 11:32 am EDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020

Rapid Expert Consultation on SARS-CoV-2 Survival in Relation to Temperature and Humidity and Potential for Seasonality for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 7, 2020)
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25771/rapid-expert-consultation-on-sars-co
v-2-survival-in-relation-to-temperature-and-humidity-and-potential-for-seasonality-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-7-2020

It seems like everyone is 'in' on the fake disease. The scientists and doctors from all around the globe; WHO and the CDC not to mention medical systems everywhere; China, Iran, and Russia; plus Italy, Spain, and all of Europe ... even BoJo arranged a fake trip to a fake ICU despite his original response to the British to 'take it on the chin'. The only one not on board is Bolsonaro ... and Jack.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:23 AM

And China, who hasn't had any new cases to note in about a month.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:36 AM

BTW... I never said the Coomph was fake. I'd call you a liar, but I know you're just stupid.

It doesn't matter what they do. It doesn't matter what you do. Everybody is going to get it and the weak are going to die.

If you're weak, that means you, Kiki. You're going to die if you're weak.

A lifetime supply of Lysol disinfectant pads and 3M masks aren't going to save you. You will slip up. You will make a mistake. You will let your guard down for 5 seconds one day. And at 125 nanometers wide, it will find a way in easier than water down a drain.

And then, if you're weak, you will die.

Sweet dreams. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:46 AM

IMHO There are "shelter in place" emergencies and "run like hell" emergencies. Shelter in place emergencies tend to be things that you can't predict or escape, or emergencies that are relatively short-lived, like earthquakes and zombie apocalypse (first category) or blizards and ice storms. "Run like hell" emergencies IMHO are fast-moving fires and hurricanes and war fronts. For the "Shelter in place" emergency the best you can expect to do is one month. After that, it's out of your hands.

CC, I recommend that you fill up your pantry, your cellar, your copious cabinets and cupboards and your two freezers which will allow you to not shop for extended periods.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO There are "shelter in place" emergencies and "run like hell" emergencies. Shelter in place emergencies tend to be things that you can't predict or escape, or emergencies that are relatively short-lived, like earthquakes and zombie apocalypse (first category) or blizards and ice storms. "Run like hell" emergencies IMHO are fast-moving fires and hurricanes and war fronts. For the "Shelter in place" emergency the best you can expect to do is one month. After that, it's out of your hands.

CC, I recommend that you fill up your pantry, your cellar, your copious cabinets and cupboards and your two freezers which will allow you to not shop for extended periods.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

A month, huh? Get back to us when that STAYTHEFUCKHOME hashtag starts getting old in the tooth.

It will be over a month by the time the new extension is up here, and I fully expect them to extend it again after that.

Already bracing mentally for them to start it up again in November and go a full 5 months through the spring of 2021.

Do Right, Be Right. :)