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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Monday, March 30, 2020 7:44 AM

When Kevin has to deal with his panic, his only tool is denial.

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Monday, March 30, 2020 7:49 AM

lol

I'm not behaving any differently than I always do Kiki. You're just not used to being on the receiving end of it. Something which you started with the AIDS stuff.

I'm not going to apologize for trying to get your mind in a more rational place. The only thing scary to me here is how easily they seemed to have turned you into a pod-person version of your former self.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You guys are really scared now, huh?

And that's called "projection". Recognizing facts isn't being scared, it's recognizing facts.

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Monday, March 30, 2020 8:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

I'm not behaving any differently than I always do Kiki. You're just not used to being on the receiving end of it. Something which you started with the AIDS stuff.

I'm not going to apologize for trying to get your mind in a more rational place. The only thing scary to me here is how easily they seemed to have turned you into a pod-person version of your former self.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

KIKI has always been data driven. You? No so much.

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Monday, March 30, 2020 8:04 AM

The alternative to denial is that you truly don't care about anyone but yourself.

But you're not a sociopath - are you?



And btw - if you think that trolling people shows that you're trying to 'help' them, you have an overly inflated estimation of your bullshit.

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Monday, March 30, 2020 9:07 AM

Until the both of you calm down, I would recommend that nobody listen to your bullshit.

Congratulations. You are puppets doing the bidding of Legacy Media.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 9:26 AM

I sure hope no one in your family who's at risk is coming to you for advice.

Well, hopefully, they know you well enough to not do that.

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Monday, March 30, 2020 11:15 AM

Likewise.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 1:31 PM

For anyone interested in the data I've been tracking, instead of reposting my posts I've simply been updating them, starting here:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=1
097694#1097694


But if you'd like to look at the current data using cool tools, go to
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
On the 'world' page you can sort the data by many metrics.
From the 'world' page, you can go to any country with an active link.
From the US page you can go to any state.

If it's interesting and meaningful to you, you can graph cases or deaths (and often both) on a linear or log scale, and sometimes both. (Log scales are useful for exponential growth.)

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:21 AM

This highlights the need for testing. The rest appears to be explained by aerosol transmission and a super-spreader.



https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-mount-vernon-choir-went-ah
ead-with-rehearsal-now-dozens-have-coronavirus-and-2-are-dead
/

A Mount Vernon choir went ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens have coronavirus and 2 are dead.

MOUNT VERNON — With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal. The virus was already killing people in the Seattle area, about an hour’s drive to the south. But Skagit County hadn’t reported any cases, schools and business remained open, and prohibitions on large gatherings had yet to be announced.

On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir’s conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the “stress and strain of concerns about the virus,” practice would proceed as scheduled at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church. “I’m planning on being there this Tuesday March 10, and hoping many of you will be, too,” he wrote.

Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.

“It seemed like a normal rehearsal, except that choirs are huggy places,” Burdick recalled. “We were making music and trying to keep a certain distance between each other.”

After 2½ hours, the singers parted ways at 9 p.m.

Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.

The outbreak has stunned county health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms. “That’s all we can think of right now,” said Polly Dubbel, a county communicable disease and environmental health manager.

In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared ill.

Everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact. Some members helped set up or remove folding chairs. A few helped themselves to mandarins that had been put out on a table in back.

Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.

The World Health Organization has downplayed the possibility of transmission in aerosols, stressing that the virus is spread through much larger “respiratory droplets,” which are emitted when an infected person coughs or sneezes and quickly fall to a surface. But a study published March 17 in the New England Journal of Medicine found that when the virus was suspended in a mist under laboratory conditions it remained “viable and infectious” for three hours — though researchers have said that time period would probably be no more than a half-hour in real-world conditions.

One of the authors of that study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, a University of California, Los Angeles infectious disease researcher, said it’s possible that the forceful breathing action of singing dispersed viral particles in the church room that were widely inhaled. “One could imagine that really trying to project your voice would also project more droplets and aerosols,” he said.

With three-quarters of the choir members testing positive for the virus or showing symptoms of infection, the outbreak would be considered a “super-spreading event,” he said.

Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech and an expert on airborne transmission of viruses, said some people happen to be especially good at exhaling fine material, producing 1,000 times more than others.

Marr said that the choir outbreak should be seen as a powerful warning to the public. “This may help people realize that, hey, we really need to be careful,” she said.

The Skagit Valley Chorale draws its members from across nor

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