new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh by the way, just for fun we watched Contagion which we had seen many years ago. In some ways it was surprisingly accurate, in other ways very much off the mark.
But the term "social distancing" isn't a new one; they used it in the movie, which was made in 2011.
Speaking of Contagion...
https://instapiks.com/media/B98DRmsAL6C
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.
OK Boomer.
Have you been sanitizing your bottles of hand sanitizer yet?
If you haven't, you should be.
Oh... and be sure to save some to pour into your ice cream.
And seriously people... Can we go back to using belts on kids?
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I wonder if this virus has been around longer than people realize?
SOME doctors in Italy recall seeing atypical pneumonias as far back as November 2019.
And do you recall those oddball deaths related to vaping? (summer 2019) As far as I can tell, they could never find "the" connection (ingredient, manufacturer, locale) that tied them all together, but the victims' lungs (I have heard) had "ground glass" xrays characteristic of Covid-19.
Not sure what to make of it, just a thought.
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Weren't the vaping deaths kids though?
Yanno, I don't even know the answer to that. The manufactured outrage afterward that got certain enemies of Phillip Morris and other cigarette manufactures mostly put out of business while leaving others entirely intact was supposedly "for the children", so I'm probably just assuming they were kids.
None of the actual companies hurt by legislation after that fiasco was even responsible for it, and to this day I find it incumbent on myself to make sure that people do their research and know where they're buying their cartridges from, and to do twice the research if they're refilling cartridges on their own.
And for the love of god, don't by any of that shit from china. If you buy shitty ink cartridges or shitty refill kits, the worst that happens is they destroy your printer. If you buy some vape carts with Vitamin E as a base instead of Glycol you're doing the equivalent of 80 years of smoking filterless menthol cigarettes in about 3 seconds.
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Trying to "grok" the data here, unfortunately the quality of what it available online makes that difficult.
For example, Italy's death rate (deaths per day) rose again. It was at about 650 per day, jumped to a high of 800, dropped down, but is now back up again at 919. But that leads me to wonder ... what is the death toll for Bergamo? Bergamo is the hardest-hit. It was several weeks ahead of the rest of Italy, and instituted a lockdown before the rest of Italy. Is the death rate declining, because the most vulnerable have already died? Is the death rate declining because Russia swooped in with ventilators and other assistance? Is the death rate NOT declining? That kind of detail would really be helpful in understanding what works, and what doesn't. Needs more thought.
Same with NYC. It's hard to tell whether "social distancing" has been successful, or not. The pictures I see of NYC public spaces all have young people in them, so maybe the coronavirus is spreading (undetected) among young people, but the vulnerable have chosen to #staythefuckhome so the death rate will still be lower than the healthcare system capacity.
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Quote:AFAIK the vaping deaths were traced back to home-brew (illegal and/ or counterfeit) THC products which were heavily cut with vitamin E, leading people to vape many times a daily dose of vitamin E oil into their lungs.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wonder if this virus has been around longer than people realize?
SOME doctors in Italy recall seeing atypical pneumonias as far back as November 2019.
And do you recall those oddball deaths related to vaping? (summer 2019) As far as I can tell, they could never find "the" connection (ingredient, manufacturer, locale) that tied them all together, but the victims' lungs (I have heard) had "ground glass" xrays characteristic of Covid-19.
Not sure what to make of it, just a thought.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Just in general, vitamin E can cause skin allergies if you use vitamin E-laced skin products; and OIL FUMES and LUNGS don't mix well!
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Quote:Like a lot of other news items - real data is EXTREMELY hard to come by. We're being over-narrated and under-informed. I guess they think we need to see grieving mother after grieving wife after grieving children, non-stop, to hold out attention ... so that we'll watch their commercials.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trying to "grok" the data here, unfortunately the quality of what it available online makes that difficult.
For example, Italy's death rate (deaths per day) rose again. It was at about 650 per day, jumped to a high of 800, dropped down, but is now back up again at 919. But that leads me to wonder ... what is the death toll for Bergamo? Bergamo is the hardest-hit. It was several weeks ahead of the rest of Italy, and instituted a lockdown before the rest of Italy. Is the death rate declining, because the most vulnerable have already died? Is the death rate declining because Russia swooped in with ventilators and other assistance? Is the death rate NOT declining? That kind of detail would really be helpful in understanding what works, and what doesn't. Needs more thought.
Same with NYC. It's hard to tell whether "social distancing" has been successful, or not. The pictures I see of NYC public spaces all have young people in them, so maybe the coronavirus is spreading (undetected) among young people, but the vulnerable have chosen to #staythefuckhome so the death rate will still be lower than the healthcare system capacity.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Sooner or later though, like with WMDs, I think the facts will emerge if enough people are interested enough to look deeply enough for evidence, or the lack thereof.
The crucial pieces of data I think will be deaths and the overall pattern. The overall pattern seems to be silent spread, then an explosion of cases. But that seems to be limited - so far - to places with very specific conditions, which are high density, lots of general population mixing, and lots of family interactions.
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Signy, if you want to keep track of the US with a state-level granularity, the only place I can think of that regularly tracks compiled information is worldOmeters.
Here's the link. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
A couple days ago when I last checked, NYS was almost exactly half of all cases in the US. Now, with more cases in other states, it's dropped to less than half. But it still dominates the numbers, and no other area has caught up yet, though NJ (tightly linked by travel to NYC) is running up a good race for second.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Weren't the vaping deaths kids though?
Yanno, I don't even know the answer to that. The manufactured outrage afterward that got certain enemies of Phillip Morris and other cigarette manufactures mostly put out of business while leaving others entirely intact was supposedly "for the children", so I'm probably just assuming they were kids.
None of the actual companies hurt by legislation after that fiasco was even responsible for it, and to this day I find it incumbent on myself to make sure that people do their research and know where they're buying their cartridges from, and to do twice the research if they're refilling cartridges on their own.
And for the love of god, don't by any of that shit from china. If you buy shitty ink cartridges or shitty refill kits, the worst that happens is they destroy your printer. If you buy some vape carts with Vitamin E as a base instead of Glycol you're doing the equivalent of 80 years of smoking filterless menthol cigarettes in about 3 seconds.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
AFAIK the vaping deaths were traced back to home-brew (illegal and/ or counterfeit) THC products which were heavily cut with vitamin E, leading people to vape many times a daily dose of vitamin E oil into their lungs.
Just in general, vitamin E can cause skin allergies if you use vitamin E-laced skin products; and OIL FUMES and LUNGS don't mix well!
Hey, look at that.
We'll never agree on AIDS or COVID and the response, but Kiki and Kevin both agree that Vitamin E in the lungs = Bad.
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Signy, if you want to keep track of the US with a state-level granularity, the only place I can think of that regularly tracks that compiled information is worldOmeters.
Here's the link. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
A couple days ago when I last checked, NYS was almost exactly half of all cases in the US. Now, with more cases in other states, it's dropped to less than half. But it still dominates the numbers, and no other area has caught up yet, though NJ (tightly linked by travel to NYC) is running a good race for second.
ETA: Looking at LACounty, however - even though the numbers are still low compared to NY, cases nearly, and deaths did, double in 24 hours.
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