Coronavirus- Damn Commies are gonna get us all killed!
POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Thursday, October 28, 2021 22:49
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Quote:Of all of the people on the board, the first person I would expect to be able to murder is SECOND, because he's been in war, but the second person would be you. You seem kinda unbalanced, to me.
SIGNY:
Like, what?
Like going off at people online?
Like envisioning killing off nearly the entire world population?
Like picking fights?
WISHY: I'm female, I'm not likely to murder...
Quote:See what I mean by "unbalanced"? The moment you start thinking about OH THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL!!! you start treating innocent people like the enemy. Well, I'm not your enemy.
but try to force your fascism on me and mine, I have not a qualm in the world. That's my line in the sand. I WILL NOT BE A SLAVE.
Especially not to your dumb ass.
But I have a deal for you: The minute you see me standing outside of your door with a gun, trying to force you to do... anything ... you have my permission to shoot me! Sound fair?
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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So instead of you attacking irrelevant people, such as myself, why don't you work on figuring out who or what the REAL problem is?
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The president can protest that the stock market falling, the spread of the virus and the resulting economic damage are not his fault. He may even be right about that—not in the sense that his handling of the matter has been competent, but in the sense that this particular virus may have been beyond the power of even competent management to contain. But presidents rarely get spared political blame for economic shocks beyond their control. And a president who ties his political fate so energetically to the state of the economy and the market—who declares that voters should ignore apparent illegality, corruption, and serial failures of decency because their retirement accounts are faring well and their job prospects are good—may prove particularly vulnerable to conditions that undermine the premise of his argument. The fact that he has long claimed to control the economy with the force of his will makes his inability to do so now a particular liability.
The point here is not to predict, much less to hope, that the virus will do what Mueller and Schiff could not. The Fox and Friends host Pete Hegseth claimed that “the Democrats” and “the media” are “rooting for coronavirus to spread.” Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, similarly, told an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference that the press thinks “this will bring down the president, that’s what this is all about.”
Everyone should be hoping that Trump handles this matter brilliantly—even if that means that he reaps political benefit from it. Situations like this are among the reasons the country needs a functioning executive branch, and all Americans are invested in the presidency’s success in managing the disease’s spread.
The risks of considering the likely political impact of the virus and its economic fallout are already visible in the deranged response to it by some of the president’s political supporters, who—clearly fearing some of the very effects we are describing here—are busy putting out information that may well get people killed. The talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh’s insistence that COVID-19 is nothing more than “the common cold,” and statements by Fox News hosts that frightening news coverage of the virus is aimed only at taking down the president, would be irresponsible in any context. But comments minimizing the harms of the epidemic are particularly dangerous, given that listeners to Limbaugh and viewers of Fox News tend to be older, and elderly people are dramatically more likely to die if they contract the virus.
Our point, rather, is that the challenge President Trump now faces is one he cannot obviously meet with the usual toolkit he has relied on during previous crises. He can meet it only by actually doing the job of president of the United States, which is—in a fundamental sense—a management position that supervises a raft of executive agencies with immense resources to address a wide range of issues. This is exactly the part of the job Trump has never shown the slightest interest in or capacity for. It is the part of the job that he actively disdains.
The solution to this problem involves faithful—and skillful—execution of the powers of the government. It is not an exaggeration to say that many lives may depend on his undergoing that transformation. The president cannot rely on his usual strategies of lying and bullying to fight the spread of the coronavirus.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/trump-playbook-coronavirus/6
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Quote:and ....
“the Democrats” and “the media” are “rooting for coronavirus to spread.”
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Bernie-Supporting Denver Councilwoman Encourages Coronavirus Patients To Attend MAGA Rallies
A Denver councilwoman has come under fire for praising a now-deleted tweet from a user who said they would attend "every MAGA rally I can" if they are infected with the new coronavirus.
Candi CdeBaca (D) tweeted "#solidarity Yaaaas!!" in support of the message:
And surprise, she's a supporter of Bernie Sanders - whose staffers were caught on hidden camera espousing the virtues of throwing rich people in literal gulags while they redistribute their wealth.
Wow, whooda thunk?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So instead of you attacking irrelevant people, such as myself, why don't you work on figuring out who or what the REAL problem is?
So, if "the problem" isn't me ... what IS the real problem?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:and ....
“the Democrats” and “the media” are “rooting for coronavirus to spread.”Quote:
Bernie-Supporting Denver Councilwoman Encourages Coronavirus Patients To Attend MAGA Rallies
A Denver councilwoman has come under fire for praising a now-deleted tweet from a user who said they would attend "every MAGA rally I can" if they are infected with the new coronavirus.
Candi CdeBaca (D) tweeted "#solidarity Yaaaas!!" in support of the message:
And surprise, she's a supporter of Bernie Sanders - whose staffers were caught on hidden camera espousing the virtues of throwing rich people in literal gulags while they redistribute their wealth.
Wow, whooda thunk?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
lol Democrats.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssss Queen Slaaaaaaaaay!!!!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:That tweet does not exist anymore. The real twitter account does NOT have that tweet:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol Democrats.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssss Queen Slaaaaaaaaay!!!!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/CandiCdeBacaD9/status/1233407795170627586
The challenge President Trump now faces is one he cannot obviously meet with the usual toolkit he has relied on during previous crises. He can meet it only by actually doing the job of president of the United States, which is—in a fundamental sense—a management position that supervises a raft of executive agencies with immense resources to address a wide range of issues. This is exactly the part of the job Trump has never shown the slightest interest in or capacity for. It is the part of the job that he actively disdains.
The solution to this problem involves faithful—and skillful—execution of the powers of the government. It is not an exaggeration to say that many lives may depend on his undergoing that transformation. The president cannot rely on his usual strategies of lying and bullying to fight the spread of the coronavirus.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:That tweet does not exist anymore. The real twitter account does NOT have that tweet:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol Democrats.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssss Queen Slaaaaaaaaay!!!!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/CandiCdeBacaD9/status/1233407795170627586]
Do you not understand how the Twatter works?
Her affirmation for a deleted post is still there. She still retweeted it. Just because the original post was deleted doesn't mean that this didn't happen.
Oh... yeah. And she used the OK hand gesture emoji, which as T has informed us all is the nationally recognized symbol for White Power.
EDIT: TWATTER 101
Has a post you wanted to share gone missing or been deleted? No problem. Just follow these simple steps to find it.
1. Copy URL of Original Deleted Tweet.
2. Go to Google, Paste Full URL, Search.
3. If tweet URL shows up in results, look for little arrow to the right of it.
4. Select “cached”
5. Open cached version of the tweet and screenshot.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4P2xZDHPB8sJ:htt
ps://twitter.com/SuePersists/status/1232901473136046086+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
That post still VERY MUCH exists, Second.
Why are you always so convinced that you can put the shit back into the horse?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I don't even have a clue why some of these mooks are still here. They ain't even Firefly fans as far as I can tell.
I noticed that too. Alls I can figure is "old habits die hard"???
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The moment you start thinking about OH THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL!!! you start treating innocent people like the enemy. Well, I'm not your enemy.
Funny how an enemy sees a person as "unbalanced" but rational people see me as "passionately dedicated to fucking up fascist plans".
Ahh, wordplay. Also known as MANIPULATION.
"I'm not going to force you to do anything, I want you to embrace your new slave owners."
Never happen, LOON. I've educated my kid and her friends about your kind as well.
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I don't even have a clue why some of these mooks are still here. They ain't even Firefly fans as far as I can tell.
I noticed that too. Alls I can figure is "old habits die hard"???
I never see any of you besides T talking about Firefly either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The moment you start thinking about OH THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL!!! you start treating innocent people like the enemy. Well, I'm not your enemy.
Funny how an enemy sees a person as "unbalanced" but rational people see me as "passionately dedicated to fucking up fascist plans".
Ahh, wordplay. Also known as MANIPULATION.
"I'm not going to force you to do anything, I want you to embrace your new slave owners."
Never happen, LOON. I've educated my kid and her friends about your kind as well.
You're poor daughter.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're poor daughter.
Your po....LACK of education.
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Hello?? WISHY? Have you figured out what the real problem is yet?
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YEP.
According to the new research, Covid-19’s ability to bind to cells is 100 to 1,000 times stronger than SARS. They claim that, unlike other coronaviruses, Covid-19 attacks a protein called furin – just like Ebola and HIV. They believe this is the reason why the virus seems to be significantly more infectious than similar diseases like SARS and MERS.
https://www.ccn.com/hiv-ebola-like-mutations-suggest-coronavirus-leake
d-from-a-lab/
I REPEAT...
Coronavirus- Damn Commies are gonna get us all killed!
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Quote:Incompetence/laziness/dishonesty are the real problems:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have you figured out what the real problem is yet?
Criticized for Coronavirus Response, Trump Points to Obama Administration
President Trump sought on Wednesday to deflect criticism of his administration’s response to the coronavirus onto his predecessor, complaining that a federal agency decision under President Barack Obama had made it harder to quickly enact widespread testing for the virus.
“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion,” Mr. Trump said. “That was a decision we disagreed with. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we’ve undone that decision.”
It was not entirely clear what he was referring to. Health experts and veterans of the government during Mr. Obama’s presidency said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes during the last administration that would have affected the way the Food and Drug Administration approved tests during the current crisis. Moreover, if there were, Mr. Trump did not explain why his administration did not change the rules during its first three years in office.
The coronavirus outbreak is now into its third month. Testing restrictions were lifted over the weekend.
Mr. Trump appeared intent on focusing attention on the Obama administration at a time when his own handling of the outbreak has come under intense criticism. He made a point of using the former president’s name in comments to reporters during a White House meeting with airline executives, called to discuss the economic effect of the virus.
Among other things, critics have pointed to the dismantling of a White House effort set up by Mr. Obama to respond to global health emergencies. The officials involved have left and not been replaced over the past two years, a point made by Obama administration veterans in recent days.
No coronavirus issue has attracted as much attention as testing, which even now lags behind other countries dealing with the virus. Local health agencies have complained that a lack of coronavirus tests has hindered their abilities to identify patients, and tight restrictions imposed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on who could be tested have meant that some infected patients waited days before a diagnosis. The last restrictions were lifted Tuesday.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Nilbog knows how to copy and paste. Color me impressed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
YEP.
According to the new research, Covid-19’s ability to bind to cells is 100 to 1,000 times stronger than SARS. They claim that, unlike other coronaviruses, Covid-19 attacks a protein called furin – just like Ebola and HIV. They believe this is the reason why the virus seems to be significantly more infectious than similar diseases like SARS and MERS.
https://www.ccn.com/hiv-ebola-like-mutations-suggest-coronavirus-leake
d-from-a-lab/
I REPEAT...
Coronavirus- Damn Commies are gonna get us all killed!
Damn right wish. Look up Chinese wet markets and their relations to viruses.
T
Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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Quote:You are impressed that Trump was dishonest? That copying and pasting Trump's own words shows that he is hiding his laziness with crude dishonesty? Criticized for his Coronavirus response, Trump blames Obama. It is less work for Trump to lie than it is for Trump to do his job, so he chooses to lie in order to conserve his energy and time. Impressive behavior! Reelect him in 2020!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nilbog knows how to copy and paste. Color me impressed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You are impressed that Trump was dishonest? That copying and pasting Trump's own words shows that he is hiding his laziness with crude dishonesty? Criticized for his Coronavirus response, Trump blames Obama. It is less work for Trump to lie than it is for Trump to do his job, so he chooses to lie in order to conserve his energy and time. Impressive behavior! Reelect him in 2020!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nilbog knows how to copy and paste. Color me impressed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Where did you read the word "Trump" in my reply?
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Quote:You used the "word" Nilbog, which is goblin spelled backwards. Gobbling is what Trump does, as is garbling the coronavirus message from the Federal government. I deeply/truly/sincerely apologize if you did not mean Trump, although that guy is one fat fucking idiot that you will be reelected. So sorry for you. So happy for me.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:You are impressed that Trump was dishonest? That copying and pasting Trump's own words shows that he is hiding his laziness with crude dishonesty? Criticized for his Coronavirus response, Trump blames Obama. It is less work for Trump to lie than it is for Trump to do his job, so he chooses to lie in order to conserve his energy and time. Impressive behavior! Reelect him in 2020!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nilbog knows how to copy and paste. Color me impressed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Where did you read the word "Trump" in my reply?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You used the "word" Nilbog, which is goblin spelled backwards.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:You are impressed that Trump was dishonest? That copying and pasting Trump's own words shows that he is hiding his laziness with crude dishonesty? Criticized for his Coronavirus response, Trump blames Obama. It is less work for Trump to lie than it is for Trump to do his job, so he chooses to lie in order to conserve his energy and time. Impressive behavior! Reelect him in 2020!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nilbog knows how to copy and paste. Color me impressed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Where did you read the word "Trump" in my reply?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If you haven't noticed yet, it's also been Wishy's nickname here for a few years.
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Gobbling is what Trump does, as is garbling the coronavirus message from the Federal government.
Gobbling is also what Pac-Man does. Not so much goblins.
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I deeply/truly/sincerely apologize if you did not mean Trump,
I rarely mean Trump. You see Trump in everything though. We get it.
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although that guy is one fat fucking idiot that you will be reelected.
Oh. Now I see how you got from A to Z. I was talking to one fat fucking idiot and it reminded you of another.
And that sentence doesn't make sense. I'm sure you meant re-electing.
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So sorry for you. So happy for me.
I'm happy with five more years of Trump. We can both be happy together, buddy.
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6ix, Goblin doesn't actually fit WishIMay, but you being you, you can't understand. But gobbling fat fucking idiot who garbles the coronavirus message does fit Trump perfectly. He been that way for 40 years, his incompetence and dishonesty written about in the business magazines, long before you were born. 6ix, I don't know you, but I know thousands of Trump lovers and the one trait most of them share is they stupidly sabotage their own lives then blame it on the government or the Democrats or the system. They are partially right: if the government was completely redesigned to make life easier for fools, ignoramuses, and Trump lovers, they would have it much easier. But neither Trump lovers nor Trump will use their brains to figure out how to quickly (8 years or less) and efficiently do that. The coronavirus response is just one more example of Trump's lifelong incompetence and deficiency as a manager. All those books Trump "wrote" about managing? Too bad his ghostwriters couldn't teach him anything since he won't read with understanding his books.
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Quote:Oh WISHY, you are so far behind the times! We "been there, done that" in the other thread already!
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
YEP.
According to the new research, Covid-19’s ability to bind to cells is 100 to 1,000 times stronger than SARS. They claim that, unlike other coronaviruses, Covid-19 attacks a protein called furin – just like Ebola and HIV. They believe this is the reason why the virus seems to be significantly more infectious than similar diseases like SARS and MERS.
https://www.ccn.com/hiv-ebola-like-mutations-suggest-coronavirus-leake
d-from-a-lab/
I REPEAT...
Coronavirus- Damn Commies are gonna get us all killed!
But thanks for playing Name That Deflection with a losing entry!
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Originally posted by second:
6ix, Goblin doesn't actually fit WishIMay
Yes. Yes it does.
How does it feel being wrong all the time about literally everything?
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Quote:Trump is wrong, but he does not know it, so he can't feel it: It was a blizzard of dangerous, irresponsible misinformation, all delivered within a span of just over two minutes. Hannity responded not by challenging the president, but by quickly changing the topic.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How does it feel being wrong all the time about literally everything?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
On the same day that the World Health Organization (WHO) pegged the global death rate of the novel coronavirus at 3.4 percent — a figure higher than earlier estimates — President Donald Trump went on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show and insisted it’s actually not that bad.
Trump cited a “hunch” to make a case that the mortality rate is actually “a fraction of 1 percent.” He recklessly dismissed the WHO mortality rate as “really a false number,” used bogus numbers to compare the coronavirus to the much less deadly seasonal flu, and didn’t discourage people with Covid-19 from going to work.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Video of Trump minimizing coronavirus:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1235411751950221312
In this clip, Trump:
1. Denies WHO's coronavirus death rate based on “hunch"
2. Calls coronavirus "corona flu"
3. Suggests it's fine for people w/ Covid-19 to go to work
4. Compares coronavirus to "the regular flu," indicating he doesn't get the difference
Trump’s soliloquy about an illness he misleadingly described as “this corona flu” began after Hannity asked him to respond to the WHO’s 3.4 percent death rate figure (which the organization said could vary by region). He was also asked about the possibility that the Summer Olympics scheduled for this summer in Tokyo could be delayed.
Here’s the entirety of Trump’s response.
I think the 3.4 percent [number] is really a false number. Now, this is just my hunch, but based on and lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild. They will get better very rapidly, they don’t even see a doctor or call doctor, you never hear about those people so you can’t put them down in the category, in overall population in terms of this corona flu, or virus. So you just can’t do that.
So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then, when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent.
But again, they don’t know about the easy cases because the easy cases don’t go to the hospital, they don’t report to doctors or the hospital in many cases so I think that [the WHO] number is very high. I think the number, personally, I would say the number is way under 1 percent.
Now, with the regular flu, we average from 27,000 to 77,000 deaths a year. Who would think that? I never knew that until six or eight weeks ago, I asked that question, I said, ‘How many people die of the flu?’ You know, you keep hearing about ‘flu shot, flu shot, take your flu shot,’ but how many people die of the flu? And they said, ‘sir, we lose between 27,000 and, you know, somewhere in the 70s’ — I think we went as high as 100,000 people died in 1990, if you can believe that, but a lot much people regardless. I think it averages about 36,000 people a year. So I said, ‘Wow, that is a percentage that is under 1 percent, very substantially.’ So it’d be interesting to see what difference is but again, a lot of people don’t report.
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The president contradicts public health experts statements on death rate, contagion.
On Thursday morning, the president pushed back against media coverage of his interview, insisting that "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work."
"This is just more Fake News and disinformation put out by the Democrats, in particular MSDNC," he wrote on Twitter. "Comcast covers the CoronaVirus situation horribly, only looking to do harm to the incredible & successful effort being made!"
www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/trump-disputes-coronavirus-death-rate
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lol
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Trump is absolutely correct, if only seriously ill people are tested that raises the apparent case fatality rate, which could be much lower than 3%. The problem is, unless there are enuf test kits to do random testing to capture actual percent infected, we won't know the real number.
The media is once again misreporting his comments as badly as it misreported his telephone conversation with Zelinskiy.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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China is taking pleasure in US mishandling of coronavirus
The US government’s management of the coronavirus outbreak hasn’t been great, to say the least.
Its president roundly denounces scientific facts. Americans are paying extortionate amounts of money for testing and quarantine. And there is concern over how transparent officials are in their communications to the public about the disease. Watching from afar, many in China are reacting to these developments with a mix of shock and pleasure.
They find it hard to believe that the world’s top superpower might be bungling its response to the virus, even after having had weeks to prepare for its possible arrival. Chinese officials discovered the first known case of Covid-19, the disease caused by coronavirus, in Wuhan, China in early January. The first case discovered in the US came weeks later, on Jan. 20, in Washington. The outbreak has only intensified across the country since then, spreading even more rapidly in recent days.
On Weibo, the Chinese social media network, users have read posts under the hashtag #coronavirus conditions in the US# more than 500 million times. In comments, many users expressed surprise that a country that holds itself up as the world’s foremost democracy would struggle to manage an epidemic like this, and that its health care system isn’t equipped to treat the growing number of cases.
“This is exactly why there are few infection cases in the US. People there don’t even want to go have the test [because of the cost],” wrote one user, responding to an article about an American man returning from Wuhan who received a large bill after US health officials placed him in quarantine. In China, testing and treatment for coronavirus is free.
Some Chinese even found the apparent role reversal amusing, referring to US president Donald Trump as “F1” (link in Chinese) on social media. The term is a reference to “F4,” a four-person Taiwanese boy band popular in the 2000s that’s now being used as a stand-in for the four officials in Hubei province widely deemed responsible for failing to contain Covid-19.
The slow US response—amid a backdrop of rapidly worsening tensions between the China and the US as they clash over trade, tech, and media—is also proving politically expedient for Chinese officials. Chinese newspapers have published opinion pieces criticizing the US for not doing enough to control the outbreak, including one in Shanghai’s Xinmin Evening News (link in Chinese) on March 2 that said, “As the only superpower in the world, which is more developed than China, the US is supposed to have better medical and disease-prevention conditions.”
More at https://qz.com/1813181/
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Quote:How Trump is hurting his administration’s coronavirus response, explained by an expert.
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President Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States has so far been a disaster.
He initially downplayed the severity of the outbreak at home, directly contradicting his top health officials. He’s displayed a stunning lack of knowledge about basic things like how vaccines work and how quickly a coronavirus vaccine could realistically be developed and distributed to Americans. And he’s publicly spread misinformation about how deadly the disease, officially known as Covid-19, is.
All of that is extremely counterproductive to effective crisis response, especially for dealing with something so complicated as the novel coronavirus. As of March 5, there are nearly 100,000 confirmed cases around the world, with more than 3,300 dead, mostly in China. In the US, there are more than 200 total cases — including at least 10 deaths in Washington state and one death in California.
Yet Trump insists the problem is under control and that he’s doing a fantastic job:
Quote:I called up Jeremy Konyndyk, an expert in outbreak preparedness at the Center for Global Development, to get a better sense of exactly how Trump’s actions have impacted the US response and how he could do better going forward.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation. The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled. Ask MSDNC & lightweight Washington failure @RonaldKlain, who the President was then?
2:34 PM - Mar 5, 2020
As the director of the USAID’s Office of US Foreign Disaster Assistance during the Obama administration, Konyndyk managed the US’s humanitarian response to the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa as well as other disasters including the 2015 Nepal earthquake and Typhoon Haiyan, which devastated the Philippines in 2013.
Konyndyk told me that although the public health officials involved in the administration’s response “are working as hard as they can” to deal with the outbreak, Trump’s failure to provide effective leadership means that “they’re not working as well as they can.”
“This isn’t a normal crisis,” Konyndyk said, “and atypical crises require real leadership from the top to solve.”
Our interview, lightly edited for length and clarity, is below.
More at www.vox.com/2020/3/5/21166093/coronavirus-covid-trump-response-fox-new
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The problem is under control.
Trump is doing a fantastic job.
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Quote:Trump has to stop making it about himself and about the election, but I don’t know if he can do that. The irony here is that the more he overtly does that, the worse it looks for him politically. The smartest move for him would be to put the politics aside, take this seriously, and let the chips fall where they may. In other words, to show real leadership. We haven’t seen that yet, though I hope he’s capable of it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The problem is under control.
Trump is doing a fantastic job.
MAGA
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No more tweets like this and work on the problem instead of golfing/campaigning 24/7:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation. The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled. Ask MSDNC & lightweight Washington failure @RonaldKlain, who the President was then?
2:34 PM - Mar 5, 2020
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235665090432708608
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Now that there's more testing going on, of course we're going to see more cases of COVID-19, and perhaps assign more causes of death to COVID-19 on autopsy.
A similar situation unfolded in Italy, which I think we all recognize as a serious epidemic there. 21 of 22 regions in Italy have reported cases. "The nation of 60 million people has now recorded over 3,000 cases ... the number of deaths from the new coronavirus in the Mediterranean country hit 107." (One day ago: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid19-italy-close-schools
-march-government-contain-coronavirus-12502544 )
So I'm curious what would trigger recognition of a crisis in people here in the US. In how many states does does it need to found? How many total cases need to be recorded? How many deaths need to occur?
Italy, as of March 5, 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Italy
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3,000 out of 60,000,000 is nothing.
107 out of 60,000,000 is even less than nothing.
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The point is that the numbers started out small ... then grew, and grew, and grew ... with still no apparent end in sight. (Italy doesn't seem to have found the answer to containing the virus yet.)
If only half of Italians get the virus, and only 1% of those people die, that's 300,000 people. Are you comfortable writing off that many people as no big deal? If not, where do you draw the line?
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SIX is a normally analytical person but on this issue, as well as AIDS, he lives in an alternate reality deep along the banks of the river DeNial.
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I asked a simple question - at what point does he stop writing off dead people as no big deal? There's really no right or wrong answer, it's just a matter of opinion. I'm curious where people in general stop treating this as fake and start acknowledging it might be a problem. I think there's a line somewhere. Apparently Jack can't figure out what his own opinion is. Eh, if he's that scrambled, that's his problem, and I don't see a reason to try and accommodate it.
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You're talking to the guy who's been saying for years that the population growth of the planet needs to be curbed, since it's the greatest contributing factor to climate change and to the scarcity of resources.
Assuming that further research isn't proof that it was designed to target specific DNA, I can't think of a more fair way for it to be done than the lottery of a virus.
If it's only 1% of half of the population of the planet it won't even be a drop in the bucket at the end of the day.
Something will come and restore balance at some point. I laugh at projections of the human population exploding to 15 Billion and beyond in the future. Hubris much?
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I asked a simple question - at what point does he stop writing off dead people as no big deal? There's really no right or wrong answer, it's just a matter of opinion. I'm curious where people in general stop treating this as fake and start acknowledging it might be a problem. I think there's a line somewhere. Apparently Jack can't figure out what his own opinion is. Eh, if he's that scrambled, that's his problem, and I don't see a reason to try and accommodate it.
President Trump and the Coronavirus
Don’t worry. The guy who said to rake the forests, water-bomb an 800 year-old cathedral, and nuke a hurricane has got this coronavirus thing under control.
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It's either being blown out of proportion, or it isn't.
If it is, that's going to make Trump look stronger. If it's not, any mistakes that have been made are going to be pinned on him by people who were never going to vote Trump in the first place.
I know you're all secretly rooting for the virus to be terrible so you can do the latter. Just like Bill Maher came out and said he was hoping for a recession for the same reason.
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Quote:SIX: Put Trump's election chances out of mind when considering this problem. The liberaloid media has been crucifying Trump since BEFORE he got into office for things he never did, for thing they MADE UP that he did. He could be Jesus Christ and cure cancer and end all wars and they would bitch and whine and cavil. We both know they would. (Right, SECOND?) This thing exists with or without Trump. Just consider your own risk and the risk of family members that you care about and find ways to reduce your -and their- risk.
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It's either being blown out of proportion, or it isn't.
If it is, that's going to make Trump look stronger. If it's not, any mistakes that have been made are going to be pinned on him by people who were never going to vote Trump in the first place.
I know you're all secretly rooting for the virus to be terrible so you can do the latter. Just like Bill Maher came out and said he was hoping for a recession for the same reason.
YOUR risk seems exceptionally low, at the moment. You live an isolated existence in a sequestered part of an isolated state. But your parents ... they live a more socially-enaged life, right? Your disabled brother - he's taken care of by staff, right?
Just urge your family members to wash their hands and reduce their exposure (don't go anywhere where there are large crowds of people: no church, restaurants, sporting events etc. Don't stand in line at the DMV. Go grocery shopping in the AM. If you feel unwell, STAY HOME. Don't see a doctor for the heckuvit; dn't go to hospital unless you need hospital care.) And check up on your disabled brother and make sure they're at least following hand-washing protocol. I've been in touch with my relatives across the country, reminding them of the same things, even tho they live in less-traveled parts of the states. I don't nag ... just a couple of reminders. If they're smart, they'll take action. If not ... well, I tried.
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I can't do it. I'm not going to tell you not to do it, but I just can't.
I'm not in the least bit concerned about this virus. I'm not going to be crazy washing my own hands, let alone telling other people to do it.
I don't trust our media or our government. The fact that they are weaponizing this virus politically should send up a big Maddow/Russia style red flag for you too.
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I think Signy - and I - have a pretty good history of slamming the government and media for the shit they make up whole cloth, and the lies they tell.
But ya' gotta' distinguish between the outright fabrications versus the opportunist politicization of real events.
There's more than enough evidence that this is real, and not just some giant hoax being pulled by the m$m ... the BBC, The Guardian, al jazeera, RT, Xinhua ... The Lancet, NEJM, bioRxiv ... even the Trump administration ... et al.
How you personally choose to respond to it is completely your choice. But denying it completely is denying reality - and that's just cray-cray.
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Funny kiki. What you and sig have is a reputation for posting lies (fake news) and trolling on Russias' behalf.
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Funny kiki. What you and sig have is a reputation for posting lies (fake news) and trolling on Russias' behalf.
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I'm not saying it's not real. Don't conflate my stance on AIDS with my stance on COVID-19.
I'm saying the threat is wildly overblown, largely for political purposes.
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In your situation, I'd say it probably is (at the moment).
But if you lived in King County, WA you might feel differently! HA HA!
Many pages ago I said that this would emerge as clusters. So taking numbers from dense clusters and applying them evenly across the entire country as if they existed that way isn't an accurate way to look at it. BTW that's one of the reason I'm curious what it would take for people to think of this as a problem. What would the trigger(s) be? 100 cases and 2 deaths in your immediate area?
Anyway, Signy and I are both in SoCal, an area with roughly 10,000 arrivals from China every month, so I think our situations are different from yours. So naturally we think about this differently from you.
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But if it is going to spread and is dangerous like they're saying it is, then nowhere is going to be safe, unless you're living in a bunker that's got 20 years of MREs and a way to power it.
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that it is nearly as bad as some are saying it is and it will never get to that point.
Feel completely free to let COVID-19 live rent free in your head if that is what you desire. I don't understand why you don't believe Maddow's Russia narrative, but since you have a background in Biology you're buying into this without any reservations.
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Maybe my background in biology lets me appreciate SARS-COV-2 to a level you don't. That plus my lifelong and not entirely controlled asthma, my old age, and the 10,000 arrivals from China every month. And watching both parents die struggling for air and slowly suffocating from pneumonia and lung fibrosis.
I took my lessons from Wuhan. They shut down entirely for 6 weeks. That's what it seems to take to stop the spread. I'm ready to hunker down for a month - which is good earthquake preparedness anyway. I could probably outlast it if it were to come to my neighborhood. Other than that, after the last flu(?) which took 2 months out of my life, I'm bound and determined to not catch anything else at all for at least a year!
Anyway, I'm not panicked, but I am prepared. You can be one without the other.
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SIX, you will never be 100% safe nor 100% at-risk. And even if you did contract the virus, at your age the likelihood of you dying from it is pretty low. Somewhat higher than the widely-quoted 0.2% bc of your history of smoking and possible damage from chemical exposure, but nor super high.
The trick is so reduce enough individual risk to slow down the progression of disease. First, because a successful treatment protocol may be developed in the medium-term and a vaccine in the long-term. Second, because our health care system, such as it is, would be overwhelmed by a slug of seriously ill people hitting the hospitals all at once. By slowing the spread, the hospitals can continue to function and people can be treated, at least with IVs and oxygen.
OTOH, I live in a high-risk area. I'm older. I have asthma, and I have a disabled child to think about. What happens to her if we get sick and die? Considering what's at stake, I don't consider taking precautions to be letting concern live in my head rent-free, I consider it just being reasonable. I allow that your situation is different, which would change your POV. Why don't you allow me the same respect?
How about we just agree to disagree without all the unnecessary snark and insults?
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Feel completely free to let COVID-19 live rent free in your head ...
Dumb ass who doesn't have a single rational thought in his head is jealous of people having ANYTHING in their heads.
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lol
Whatever you say, you dumb shit. 
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Maybe my background in biology lets me appreciate SARS-COV-2 to a level you don't. That plus my lifelong and not entirely controlled asthma, my old age, and the 10,000 arrivals from China every month. And watching both parents die struggling for air and slowly suffocating from pneumonia and lung fibrosis.
I took my lessons from Wuhan. They shut down entirely for 6 weeks. That's what it seems to take to stop the spread. I'm ready to hunker down for a month - which is good earthquake preparedness anyway. I could probably outlast it if it were to come to my neighborhood. Other than that, after the last flu(?) which took 2 months out of my life, I'm bound and determined to not catch anything else at all for at least a year!
Anyway, I'm not panicked, but I am prepared. You can be one without the other.
Sounds like a wise plan.
My Corona
Ooh, my little sickly one, my sickly one
When you gonna give me the virus, Corona
Ooh, you make my nostrils run, my nostrils run
Got it standing in a bank line, Corona
Never gonna stop, get a mop, such much dangling slime
I always cough it up, beware the touch of any kind
My, my, my, eye-eye, whoa!
M-m-m-my Corona
Don't come any closer, huh, ok with ya, huh?
Close enough to look in my eyes, Corona
Keeping it masked, still gets to me
Running down the length of my thigh, Corona
Never gonna stop, get a mop, so much dangling slime
I always cough it up, beware the touch of any kind
My, my, my, eye-eye, whoa!
M-m-m-my Corona!
M-m-m-my Corona!
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The Faces of Pandemic
Alice (age 22) died on November 9. Mabel (age 26) died on November 22. William Smith (age 33), a stepbrother, died on November 28. My grandmother never got over missing her sisters.
Coronavirus won’t be this bad. Not even close. But there are faces behind the masks, and there are going to be a lot more if we don’t get our act together fast and put serious professionals in charge of stopping it. Mike Pence might be a decent guy, but he’s just not cut out for this role. People are going to die because Donald Trump cares only about his own image and appointed Pence largely to guarantee that he’d have a high-level scapegoat if things go south.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/03/the-faces-of-pandemic/
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It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?
This number would give a sense of how widespread the disease is, and how forceful a response to it the United States is mustering. But for days, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has refused to publish such a count, despite public anxiety and criticism from Congress. On Monday, Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, estimated that “by the end of this week, close to a million tests will be able to be performed” in the United States. On Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence promised that “roughly 1.5 million tests” would be available this week.
But the number of tests performed across the country has fallen far short of those projections, despite extraordinarily high demand, The Atlantic has found.
“The CDC got this right with H1N1 and Zika, and produced huge quantities of test kits that went around the country,” Thomas Frieden, the director of the CDC from 2009 to 2017, told us. “I don’t know what went wrong this time.”
Through interviews with dozens of public-health officials and a survey of local data from across the country, The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive. And while the American capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day, not the tens or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House’s promises.
In South Korea, more than 66,650 people were tested within a week of its first case of community transmission, and it quickly became able to test 10,000 people a day. The United Kingdom, which has only 115 positive cases, has so far tested 18,083 people for the virus.
California claims the highest testing capacity of any state, and has tested the most individuals so far. As of Thursday afternoon, it had tested 516 people, with 53 positive cases, a spokesperson for the Department of Health told us. The department now has the capacity to test 6,000 people every day, and it expects that capacity to expand to 7,400 people a day starting Friday, the spokesperson said.
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-bee
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It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?
I have a different question. It's related to the major beef I have with the M$M in their "reporting" on this virus. I have not heard them once say the age, health status prior to getting the virus, how long they had the virus before seeking help (if they know) - a number of very important factors for those people who have died. I'm seeing Trump do his usual stupid sh*t, but I'm also seeing reporting being equally lacking, like this is bringing out the worst in both. It's almost as if they are keeping the alarm levels high so we'll keep watching.
Purposely not reporting on those facts is extremely contemptible, unprofessional and shameful. Not that I expect much better.
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It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?
I have a different question. It's related to the major beef I have with the M$M in their "reporting" on this virus. I have not heard them once say the age, health status prior to getting the virus, how long they had the virus before seeking help (if they know) - a number of very important factors for those people who have died. I'm seeing Trump do his usual stupid sh*t, but I'm also seeing reporting being equally lacking, like this is bringing out the worst in both. It's almost as if they are keeping the alarm levels high so we'll keep watching.
Purposely not reporting on those facts is extremely contemptible, unprofessional and shameful. Not that I expect much better.
Careful there, buddy.
You might accidentally swallow a red pill.
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As of two days ago, 2000 people have been tested. I know you're allergic to facts and espeically to facts that KIKI and I post, but you should follow the other thread. I just quoted an extensive article yesterday that had nuggets of great information in it, like this:
Quote:That's THIS WEEK, and not a moment too soon. However the reporter, who lived thru SARS (in Singapore, when she was 10) and reported on Ebola and is now reporting on this, goes on to write:
On Tuesday, after days of growing clamor to make more testing available, Vice President Mike Pence announced that the administration was issuing new guidance that “will make it clear that any American can be tested” for COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, and said that 2,500 kits would be sent out this week, an equivalent of 1.5 million tests.
Quote:http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=12 Which means that each test kit will test approximately 300 patient, not the 1000 "tests" each kit is capable of. Instead of 1.5 million tests, think 450,000 (or fewer) patients. That's still a lot, but not as many as you might imagine.
Here are some basics that may be useful to keep in mind: The CDC test kits can be thought of somewhat like a Blue Apron meal kit; there’s some assembly required before a lab can begin testing. It’s not like a protein bar, ready to eat straight out of the wrapper.
As of Wednesday, the Association of Public Health Laboratories, which represents public health labs across the United States, told me that each CDC test kit can run about 700 specimens. Note the “about” — you might have heard that each CDC test kit can run 1,000 specimens. That’s also true, but labs use up a certain amount of material in the process of setting up the kit and also to ensure that all the results from actual patient samples are accurate. So that’s where the “about 700” number is coming from.
None of those numbers, so far, are in units of what I care about — patients. We’re still talking about samples and specimens. APHL says the labs are running two specimens per patient, to double-check the result. So that means you actually can only test 350 people per kit.
I too would like to know the age, health status, health CARE status, and source of infection of each person who died. But there will be at some point too many cases for you - or me- to make sense of, and at that point you can only use statistics. And as they say about the problem of statistics: They can tell you what will happen to 1000 people, but they can't tell you what will happen to YOU
Most of the people here are fortunate, in a sense: either retired, unemployed, working from home, or independently weathy, and not religious. The people at risk right now are travelers, those who work ... especially those who work with sick people or travelers... and their families, families of children to go to school,and regular church-goers. But soon, everyone will be at risk whenever you are in face-to-face contact. Please see the CDC advice, also posted here http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=12 and the attached articles about what the epidemiologists recommend, and what they themselves are doing.
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Quote:Then the CDC is the problem, not the news. The CDC decided to be completely opaque, not telling anybody anything. Why? It won't say but probably ordered by Trump:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?
I have a different question. It's related to the major beef I have with the M$M in their "reporting" on this virus. I have not heard them once say the age, health status prior to getting the virus, how long they had the virus before seeking help (if they know) - a number of very important factors for those people who have died. I'm seeing Trump do his usual stupid sh*t, but I'm also seeing reporting being equally lacking, like this is bringing out the worst in both. It's almost as if they are keeping the alarm levels high so we'll keep watching.
Purposely not reporting on those facts is extremely contemptible, unprofessional and shameful. Not that I expect much better.
Throughout February, the CDC published a regular tally of Americans who had been tested for the pathogen. Last Saturday, several days after the country’s first case of community transmission was confirmed, that figure was 472.
Then the agency stopped updating the tally. It did not publish new numbers of how many Americans had been tested for the virus on Sunday or Monday, as public criticism of the sluggish response to the disease began to mount. On Tuesday, it announced that it would stop publishing the figure altogether.
Our reporting has found that the CDC has not made good on Messonnier’s assurance that state numbers would be available and up to date. Many states are not reporting their results quickly: In our survey, we found that in some states, the most recently available numbers were days old.
Since the CDC’s pullback, it has become extremely difficult to track the nation’s growing capacity to test for the coronavirus.
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-bee
n-tested-coronavirus/607597/
What is Trump thinking? Probably that if the CDC does not report Coronavirus test results, people will assume it is just a bad case of the flu. If it is the flu, even if it is fatal, it is not Trump's problem. Problem solved for Trump! It's the same way he handles interviewers. When he lies, the interviewer doesn't slap the hell out of Trump right then and therefore most viewers will assume Trump told the truth . . .
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Then the CDC is the problem, not the news. The CDC decided to be completely opaque, not telling anybody anything. Why? It won't say but probably ordered by Trump:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It’s one of the most urgent questions in the United States right now: How many people have actually been tested for the coronavirus?
I have a different question. It's related to the major beef I have with the M$M in their "reporting" on this virus. I have not heard them once say the age, health status prior to getting the virus, how long they had the virus before seeking help (if they know) - a number of very important factors for those people who have died. I'm seeing Trump do his usual stupid sh*t, but I'm also seeing reporting being equally lacking, like this is bringing out the worst in both. It's almost as if they are keeping the alarm levels high so we'll keep watching.
Purposely not reporting on those facts is extremely contemptible, unprofessional and shameful. Not that I expect much better.
Throughout February, the CDC published a regular tally of Americans who had been tested for the pathogen. Last Saturday, several days after the country’s first case of community transmission was confirmed, that figure was 472.
Then the agency stopped updating the tally. It did not publish new numbers of how many Americans had been tested for the virus on Sunday or Monday, as public criticism of the sluggish response to the disease began to mount. On Tuesday, it announced that it would stop publishing the figure altogether.
Our reporting has found that the CDC has not made good on Messonnier’s assurance that state numbers would be available and up to date. Many states are not reporting their results quickly: In our survey, we found that in some states, the most recently available numbers were days old.
Since the CDC’s pullback, it has become extremely difficult to track the nation’s growing capacity to test for the coronavirus.
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-bee
n-tested-coronavirus/607597/
What is Trump thinking? Probably that if the CDC does not report Coronavirus test results, people will assume it is just a bad case of the flu. If it is the flu, even if it is fatal, it is not Trump's problem. Problem solved for Trump! It's the same way he handles interviewers. When he lies, the interviewer doesn't slap the hell out of Trump right then and therefore most viewers will assume Trump told the truth . . .
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It's already been established that Democrats can't math, so even if the CDC let the numbers out the Legacy Media wouldn't know how to report it, and you shouldn't believe the numbers they told you if they did.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:From the beginning, the Trump administration’s attempts to forestall an outbreak of a virus now spreading rapidly across the globe was marked by a raging internal debate about how far to go in telling Americans the truth. Even as the government’s scientists and leading health experts raised the alarm early and pushed for aggressive action, they faced resistance and doubt at the White House — especially from the president — about spooking financial markets and inciting panic.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's already been established that Democrats can't math, so even if the CDC let the numbers out the Legacy Media wouldn't know how to report it, and you shouldn't believe the numbers they told you if they did.
“It’s going to all work out,” Mr. Trump said as recently as Thursday night. “Everybody has to be calm. It’s going to work out.” Nobody shouted at Trump: “It only works out if YOU do the work! You cannot work on the golf course in Florida!” This weekend Trump is playing golf. On Monday he'll be campaigning, one of his favorite activities, instead of working.
www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html
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“It’s going to all work out,” Mr. Trump said as recently as Thursday night. “Everybody has to be calm. It’s going to work out.”
EQUALS
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"
Sometimes the President' job is to be cheerleader-in-chief. Emergency funds have been allocated. The CDC and Public Health labs are at work. Unlike in FDR's day, there is a huge bureaucracy to handle this crisis. What should Trump do?
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Quote:Trump has been "busy" . . . blaming Obama:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
“It’s going to all work out,” Mr. Trump said as recently as Thursday night. “Everybody has to be calm. It’s going to work out.”
EQUALS
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"
Sometimes the President' job is to be cheerleader-in-chief. Emergency funds have been allocated. The CDC and Public Health labs are at work. Unlike in FDR's day, there is a huge bureaucracy to handle this crisis. What should Trump do?
Trump and other coronavirus task force officials attempted to deflect criticism, suggesting that the lack of available testing was partly President Barack Obama’s fault.
Trump, March 4: I just want to add, if I might — and to go a little bit further — the Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing. And we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion. That was a decision we disagreed with. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we’ve undone that decision.
Later, CDC Director Robert Redfield followed up, describing the regulatory change as one related to “laboratory developed tests,” or diagnostic tests that are designed, manufactured and performed in the same place, such as in a hospital or academic institution. These tests are different from the ones that the CDC developed and has sent to public health labs across the country.
Redfield, March 4: In the past, we used to be able to have laboratories that could develop what we call “laboratory developed tests” and then be able to apply them for clinical purposes. And in the previous administration, that became regulated so that, now, for someone to do that, they had to formally file with the FDA. And what the president’s decision did was allow that regulatory relief now and that those university labs and those other labs in this country now can be fully engaged in developing laboratory diagnostics for the clinical arena so the men and women in this nation can get access to — and the doctors — to get to know the extent of [the virus] in the patients that they’re caring for. It’s, really, very important. It’s what’s changed the availability of testing overnight.
After Redfield’s explanation, Trump then referred to the “Obama rule” again, saying, “we ended that rule very quickly.”
When asked in a March 5 Fox News town hall whether he blamed Obama, Trump insisted that he didn’t, before claiming again that his administration inherited “some decisions which were not good decisions” and that he “undid some of the regulations.”
It’s not clear what regulation Trump and Redfield have in mind, and neither the White House, FDA, nor the CDC responded to requests for more information. But experts told us that no such “rule” was implemented under Obama.
“It’s not true,” said Rachel Sachs, a Washington University in St. Louis law professor, of Trump’s claim.
www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-misplaced-blame-on-obama-for-coronavi
rus-tests/
24/7 Trump is either golfing, sleeping, tweeting, campaigning or lying. I don't know when he finds the time for working.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
“It’s going to all work out,” Mr. Trump said as recently as Thursday night. “Everybody has to be calm. It’s going to work out.”
EQUALS
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"
Sometimes the President' job is to be cheerleader-in-chief. Emergency funds have been allocated. The CDC and Public Health labs are at work. Unlike in FDR's day, there is a huge bureaucracy to handle this crisis. What should Trump do?
Second would know this if, yanno, he actually ran a business and didn't spend all day every day spouting his TDS from mom's basement.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump’s latest coronavirus press avail sinks in, the angrier I get. There he is, wearing a campaign cap and mugging for the camera. Interrupting Alex Azar when he’s on the verge of telling the truth about something. Bloviating about how he’s an innate medical genius. Complaining that he doesn’t want to unload passengers from a cruise ship because it might hurt his “numbers.” Griping that the Dow was all set to hit 30,000 until this whole virus thing hit. Bragging about the small number of deaths so far. Apparently demanding that every actual professional kowtow to him in public. Saying that he’s not to blame for cutting back on pandemic preparedness because “this is something that you can never really think is going to happen.” Clowning about how the testing has been perfect, “like the letter was perfect.” Snickering about how he told Mike Pence not to compliment a governor who had been mean to him. Bragging that he’s not bothering to take any special protections.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
yanno . . .
Jesus. Does he think this whole thing is just a big joke? Is he going to keep acting like a combination of court jester and Pollyanna-in-chief when the number of deaths hits a hundred? Or a thousand? Is there anyone left on his staff who can tell him to start acting like a president?
Trump touring CDC:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236051629654388736
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I guess the questions are 1) what does it take to stop the spread of the virus, 2) is the US doing what it needs to do to stop the spread of the virus, and 3) what will be the effect of a worst-case scenario where SARS-COV-2 spreads maximally?
Originally, WHO and the CDC appear to have been following - at least in rhetoric - the ID, trace, and isolate formula for stopping a contagion. While that might work for STDS and needle-sharing diseases, where contacts are of necessity limited, it doesn't look like it would be appropriate for a highly infectious disease like COVID-19. (I liken it to approaching the measles end of infectiousness in its ability to spread, where simply going through the same airport terminal that someone with measles had passed through before can get you sick.) So I find the basic model to be unhelpful.
The other completely necessary but crippled leg in the approach in the US is the criminally incompetent testing. If your approach needs you to ID cases, then you'd better ID them. And for some reason, the medical system was paralyzed when it came to developing tests. There wasn't an actual rule that forbid anyone from doing that. There was a REQUEST - and it was a longstanding precedent - that if you did, you file an emergency use request within 15 days. Maybe people were waiting on the CDC assuming that it was all going to roll out from there smoothly and quickly. But the CDC testing was faulty and severely limited.
But the US looks OMG bad compared to other countries that test thousands and tens of thousands PER DAY. Our failure needs to be relentlessly investigated. BTW the most recent estimate I found was that the US has tested 2300 - TOTAL. Since this all began.
Finally, I assume the US will eventually have national spread, because of our bungled model, our bungled testing, and the example of Italy.
What's the worst-case scenario? SK has done the most testing of all countries and has come up with a fatality rate of 0.6% - which is still 6x more than the flu. Even that low number would overwhelm the medical system. And a medical system overwhelmed might be a medical system infected, where the personnel themselves are unable to do a normal level of work.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
What Taiwan did right:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/taiwan-reins-spread-coronavirus
-countries-stumble-200307034353325.html
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Second wants to see Trump act like COVID is the end of the world.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump should stop acting like he is a fucking idiot: Hours after learning about how vaccines work and the timeline for a potential coronavirus vaccine, Trump told supporters at a rally: “We had a great meeting today with a lot of the great companies, and they’re going to have vaccines I think relatively soon. And they’re going to have something that makes you better, and that’s going to actually take place we think even sooner.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second wants to see Trump act like COVID is the end of the world.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It isn’t clear why Trump said this, other than he is a fucking idiot, particularly after seemingly have been disabused of his misconceptions in his White House meeting, but such a statement does not support his claim at the CDC that “I understand that whole scientific world.”
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second wants to see Trump act like COVID is the end of the world.
Everyone that has at least two brain cells would like to see Chump act like an adult, and at least pretend to be serious about it, and not make it about how much of a fake smarty pants he thinks he is.
It's not about HIM at all. It's about mobilizing resources. It's about reassuring the population that we are doing what we can and informing the public about steps they can do to help. Some of us expect actual ACTION PLANS from our leaders...
Instead we get..
"Me so smart, me coulda been doctor... if I just read 'Docterin fer Dummies' duhhhhh"
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Meh
If you weren't bitching about Trump doing this, I'm sure you'd be bitching about Trump doing something.
That's what you've done the last 3 years and that's what you're going to do for the next 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Yeah. It's too bad all those TDS-Never-Trumper boys who cried wolf all those times destroyed their chances to proffer any legitimate criticism now.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah. It's too bad all those TDS-Never-Trumper boys who cried wolf all those times destroyed their chances to proffer any legitimate criticism now.
Jeezus, no kidding SIX and KIKI! They blame Trump for global warming! They blame Trump for the wealth gap! They blame Trump for being Putin's puppet! They hate Trump for having orange skin! If we could bottle SECOND's, WISHY's, CC's etc hot air we could power a rocket to Mars.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah. It's too bad all those TDS-Never-Trumper boys who cried wolf all those times destroyed their chances to proffer any legitimate criticism now.
Jeezus, no kidding SIX and KIKI! They blame Trump for global warming! They blame Trump for the wealth gap! They blame Trump for being Putin's puppet! They hate Trump for having orange skin! If we could bottle SECOND's, WISHY's, CC's etc hot air we could power a rocket to Mars.
Gee whiz... don't pull a muscle feigning outrage there Signutter. 4 exclamation points OMG!!!!
I have a question: isn't it amazing (telling) how just asking that our dumb @ss president stop his compulsive lying can piss some people off? "Ask our dear and great leader to not lie?!? Outrageous!"
Are you guys Q-Anon believers by any chance?
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Quote:You forgot that Trump is a tax cheat. 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym never understood how damaging that is to the national debt. There is the part about him cheating on his own taxes. Then there is the part about going to crazy length not to pay his taxes, even to the Supreme Court. Then there are other rich people copying his behavior and not paying their taxes. Then there is rewriting the tax laws to favor rich tax cheaters. None of this is a secret, yet you act like it didn't happen and it didn't cost a trillion dollars per year.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah. It's too bad all those TDS-Never-Trumper boys who cried wolf all those times destroyed their chances to proffer any legitimate criticism now.
Jeezus, no kidding SIX and KIKI! They blame Trump for global warming! They blame Trump for the wealth gap! They blame Trump for being Putin's puppet! They hate Trump for having orange skin! If we could bottle SECOND's, WISHY's, CC's etc hot air we could power a rocket to Mars.
Then there is Trump and the atom bombs. He dropped out of a treaty with Iran. He botched N Korea. He let nuclear treaties with Russia expire. He is even building a new atom bomb, W76-2, just for assassinating heads of state. None of this is a secret either, yet you act like there cannot be a nuclear holocaust. 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym never understood how damaging that could be. Maybe worse than a botched response to coronavirus?
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Meh
If you weren't bitching about Trump doing this, I'm sure you'd be bitching about Trump doing something.
That's what you've done the last 3 years and that's what you're going to do for the next 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Let me repeat myself, since you obviously don't understand the connection between Trump and death and taxes:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meh
If you weren't bitching about Trump doing this, I'm sure you'd be bitching about Trump doing something.
That's what you've done the last 3 years and that's what you're going to do for the next 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump is a tax cheater. 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym never understood how damaging that is to the national debt. There is the part about him cheating on his own taxes. Then there is the part about going to crazy length not to pay his taxes, even to the Supreme Court. Then there are other rich people copying his behavior and not paying their taxes. Then there is rewriting the tax laws to favor rich tax cheaters. None of this is a secret, yet you act like it didn't happen and it didn't cost a trillion dollars per year.
Then there is Trump and the atom bombs. He dropped out of a treaty with Iran. He botched N Korea. He let nuclear treaties with Russia expire. He is even building a new atom bomb, W76-2, just for assassinating heads of state. None of this is a secret either, yet you act like there cannot be a nuclear holocaust. 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym never understood how damaging that could be. Maybe worse than a botched response to coronavirus!
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=lVn9
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=lGiW
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SECOND ... apparently you don't know how to read a chart. Or remember who was President, when. As a reminder, Obama was President from 2008 to 2016.
Your first chart shows the total debt (in millions of dollars) rising between 1990 and 1999 (roughly the Clinton years) with a small leveling-off in that last year (Clinton's famous balanced budget, where he took advatange of the "peace dividend"), a steeper rise under GWB, and and even steeper rise under Obama (from 2008 to 2016). Where Trump becomes President is INDISTINGUISHABLE from Obama's curve.
The next chart show Federal debt, not in millions of dollars but as a percent of GDP. It shows a rise, but then a significant fall under Clinton so that he ends up slightly lower than where he started (57%-55%), a significant rise under GWB (55%-62%) and a GINORMOUS rise under Obama (62% to 100%) where it levels off in approx 2013. There isn't enough of the Trump era to make a judgment, but what they show is INDISTIGUISHABLE from the Obama era at the transition.
What do your charts and post tell me?
a) Trump is indistinguishable from Obama in terms of Federal debt, (also, btw, wealth gap, according to various charts) even comparing the end of Obama's term to the beginning of Trump's
b) You can't see what is literally in front of your face. You posted something which entirely undercuts your point.
I'm not a big fan of the Trump debt. But then again, I wasn't a huge fan of the Obama bank bailout either, nor was I a big fan of his not throwing a single bankster in jail for mortgage fraud.
Bill and Obama talked a smooth talk, but in the end they were just as solicitous as GWB when it came to going easy on the wealthy. The difference is that Clinton and Obama cared deeply for finaciers and transnationals who are able to shuffle their money and jobs around various nations while GWB and Trump favored businesses that are reporting to the American IRS.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Quote:Signym, you once claimed you are not "for" Trump, and other times that he is the "Loose Cannon" smashing the system, but here you are defending by comparing him to Obama and Bush. You missed the two biggest points.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND ... apparently you don't know how to read a chart. Or remember who was President, when. As a reminder, Obama was President from 2008 to 2016.
Your first chart shows the total debt (in millions of dollars) rising between 1990 and 1999 (roughly the Clinton years) with a small leveling-off in that last year (Clinton's famous balanced budget, where he took advatange of the "peace dividend"), a steeper rise under GWB, and and even steeper rise under Obama (from 2008 to 2016). Where Trump becomes President is INDISTINGUISHABLE from Obama's curve.
The next chart show Federal debt, not in millions of dollars but as a percent of GDP. It shows a rise, but then a significant fall under Clinton so that he ends up slightly lower than where he started (57%-55%), a significant rise under GWB (55%-62%) and a GINORMOUS rise under Obama (62% to 100%) where it levels off in approx 2013. There isn't enough of the Trump era to make a judgment, but what they show is INDISTIGUISHABLE from the Obama era at the transition.
What do your charts and post tell me?
a) Trump is indistinguishable from Obama in terms of Federal debt, (also, btw, welath gap) even comparing the end of Obama's term to the beginning of Trump's
b) You can't see what is literally in front of your face. You posted something which entirely undercuts your point.
1) Trump claimed he would eliminate the deficit, but what he really showed is that he would cheat on his taxes and allow other rich people to cheat as well. Was he lying or incompetent or stupid? All of those, same as with coronavirus.
www.newsweek.com/trump-deficit-debt-cbo-data-obama-1463802
2) Signym, you didn't even touch on Trump and the atom bombs. He dropped out of a treaty with Iran. He botched N Korea. He let nuclear treaties with Russia expire. He is even building a new atom bomb, W76-2, just for assassinating heads of state. He is setting the world toward a nuclear holocaust even after he is not president. Was he lying or incompetent or stupid? All of those, same as with coronavirus.
www.politico.com/news/2020/02/12/trump-nuclear-envoy-russia-114655
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Signym, you once claimed you are not "for" Trump, and other times that he is the "Loose Cannon" smashing the system, but here you are defending by comparing him to Obama and Bush. You missed the two biggest points...
Nope, YOU missed the biggest point. I don't care what "Hope and change" Obama said, or what "Mission accomplished" Bush said, or what "I feel you pain" Bill said, or what Trump tweets a couple-dozen times a day. I look at what they DO. You pay FAR too much attention to what people (Trump, Obama, M$M) "say" and not near enough attention to what's actually happening .
Quote:I'm extremely frustrated with Trump's foreign policy. He's wrestling with the deep state, who're embedded in his administration. OTOH, why didn't he just fire their sorry asses and do what he said he was going to? At some point ... like, now ... he has to own the mess that he couldn't manage.
Signym, you didn't even touch on Trump and the atom bombs. He dropped out of a treaty with Iran. He botched N Korea. He let nuclear treaties with Russia expire. He is even building a new atom bomb, W76-2, just for assassinating heads of state. He is setting the world toward a nuclear holocaust even after he is not president.
OTOH, SECOND, which Democratic candidate has a record or anything better?
That you can't even read a chart indicated how warped your POV is, which is why I take NOTHING you post seriously.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Cut the crap, Signym. Trump's nuclear treaties crisis, his debt crisis, his coronavirus crisis all have the same source: Trump's confused and screwed up brain. He cannot articulate any plans that make sense. Once he speaks about 100 words on any subject it is clear Trump is cuckoo on all things important. Read his tweets. Listen to him answer questions. He is cuckoo. His books only made sense because those were ghostwritten. His government only makes sense because others are doing his work. All the details of his whole Presidency are ghostwritten. When Trump's "contribution" is isolated from what his staff is doing for him, he clearly does not understand what he is doing or what anything means, especially about coronavirus or nuclear weapons or the national debt or paying his own taxes.
A long interview speaks for itself if one has the resolve to read it in its entirety: www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/us/politics/trump-interview-excerpts.html
It is difficult to believe this man does not imbibe, which would at least explain such an unfocused, blathering, self-centered idiocy. The fact that he does not implies far greater and more serious concerns for the nation than a coronavirus pandemic.
The final paragraph of Trump's interview from 2017:
Quote:Trump's brain is NOT O.K.
We’re going to win another four years for a lot of reasons, most importantly because our country is starting to do well again and we’re being respected again. But another reason that I’m going to win another four years is because newspapers, television, all forms of media will tank if I’m not there because without me, their ratings are going down the tubes. Without me, The New York Times will indeed be not the failing New York Times, but the failed New York Times. So they basically have to let me win. And eventually, probably six months before the election, they’ll be loving me because they’re saying, “Please, please, don’t lose Donald Trump.” O.K.
Trump's coronavirus effort is NOT O.K.
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2. Donald Trump
3. Texas Republicans
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
7. Conservatives
8. Russia
Quote:Jeeze, Signy. when it comes to SECOND, he is cuckoo. It is difficult to believe this man does not imbibe, which would at least explain such an monomaniacal, blathering, self-centered idiocy.
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It's those damn russians wish.
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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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Quote:As we wrestle with the new coronavirus, let’s learn lessons from the 2009-10 H1N1 swine flu outbreak in the United States. At first, polls back then showed that both Democrats and Republicans were about equally concerned with the outbreak.
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1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump
3. Texas Republicans
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
7. Conservatives
8. Russia
That makes sense: Why should our political party shape how we respond to a disease?
Yet because President Barack Obama was in the White House at the time, some conservatives started dismissing the swine flu as a hoax. Right-wing media figures were particularly contemptuous at Obama administration suggestions that people get a vaccination against it.
“Screw you,” Rush Limbaugh declared. “I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must. You have some idiot government official demanding, telling me I must take this vaccine. I’ll never take it.”
Donald Trump called into Fox News and dismissed concern about the swine flu, telling host Neil Cavuto that “it’s going to go away.” Trump also cautioned that “the vaccines can be very dangerous.”
As a result, attitudes about the flu soon diverged based on ideology. Democrats were 50 percent more likely than Republicans to say in surveys that they would get the swine flu vaccine.
Matthew Baum of Harvard found that people in red states were indeed less likely to get vaccinated — and more likely to die of swine flu. In the end, that swine flu outbreak wasn’t as lethal as many had feared, but it still killed or contributed to the deaths of as many as 400,000 people worldwide. In the United States, it infected 60 million people, caused 274,000 hospitalizations and killed 12,469 people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“As states become relatively more Republican, swine flu-related deaths rise,” Baum wrote in a 2011 article in The Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law.
The implication: While right-wing blowhards may infuriate Democrats, they sometimes pose the greatest danger to their own true believers. The bombast of people like Limbaugh and Trump in this case was lethal — but only if you believed them. Doubting them conferred some immunity.
Sadly, Trump exemplifies an ideological approach to the coronavirus (and Democrats must avoid the converse tendency to predict the worst just because Trump is in charge). From the beginning, when Trump suggested that warming weather would solve the epidemic, his aim has been to downplay the risks and talk up the stock market, whose strength is key to his argument for re-election.
“We’re going very substantially down, not up,” Trump said on Feb. 26 of the number of infections. This was completely incorrect, and he piled on more narcissism: “We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.”
It’s not fair to blame all the bungling and lack of preparation on Trump, but his “nothing to see here” tone certainly hasn’t helped, and he is once again joined by a chorus of hard-right enthusiasts like Limbaugh, who assured listeners that “the coronavirus is the common cold, folks.” That ideological approach to health care already cost lives once, and it probably will again.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-united-states.ht
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And there you go again, listening to Trump's blather rather than watching what he does.
On Jan 31, 2020 Trump forbade any foreign nationals from landing in the US if they went through China at any point. US citizens, when coming from high-risk areas like those repatriated from Wuhan, went into a mandatory 14 day (minimum) quarantine.
AND THAT WAS A TREMENDOUS FIRST STEP - WHICH DEMOCRATS CRITICIZED MIGHTILY AS BEING XENOPHOBIC.
I applauded Trump then because even though it was unpopular and 'politically incorrect', it helped reduce the ONLY source of risk to the US, which was importation.
What his administration messed up mightily was development and roll-out of testing. If your only plan to stop the spread involves ID, tracing, and isolation - you'd best ID those people who are infected or potentially exposed. But there was no mass ID'ing because there were not enough tests.
THERE WAS NO PLAN B if the roll-out didn't go as hoped. I fault the Trump administration for that.
As for you, you've cried wolf so many times, nobody believes you about anything. I bet you don't even believe yourself. You're just scooping up huge piles of the shit you're wallowing in, with both hands to throw at the wall. And what a shitty mess you've made of yourself doing it.
And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?
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Quote:Too bad it did NOT work. The coronavirus is here. What is Trump's next step and the one after that? Same as in 2009: Donald Trump called into Fox News and dismissed concern about the swine flu, telling host Neil Cavuto that “it’s going to go away.” Trump also cautioned that “the vaccines can be very dangerous.” -- Beware the Deadly Contagion Spread by Blowhards (Blowhard is a reference to Trump)
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AND THAT WAS A TREMENDOUS FIRST STEP - WHICH DEMOCRATS CRITICIZED MIGHTILY AS BEING XENOPHOBIC.
I applauded Trump then because even though it was unpopular and 'politically incorrect', it helped reduce the ONLY source of risk to the US, which was importation.
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Did Trump Fire the US Pandemic Response Team? YES, he did. Give him credit.
www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
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DOOOODy face.
NOTHING can work. Not entirely. When so many countries have so many cases you can't close the borders to everywhere. SOONER OR LATER the virus will arrive.
The questions are when, and how much.
Stop rolling in shit, eating shit, breathing shit, living shit, and especially flinging shit here.
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Quote:A series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure.
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DOOOODy face.
NOTHING can work. Not entirely. When so many countries have so many cases you can't close the borders to everywhere. SOONER OR LATER the virus will arrive.
The questions are when, and how much.
Stop rolling in shit, eating shit, breathing shit, living shit, and especially flinging shit here.
The “pandemic response team” firing referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.
Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.
The Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others.
More at www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
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NOPE.
THOSE PROGRAMS HAD TO DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NOT IN THE US.
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On the policy side of coronavirus, Trump has FUBARed massively. He ignored the outbreak at first. Then he shut down travel to China and figured that would be enough despite unanimous expert opinion to the contrary. He waited weeks to appoint a coronavirus czar, and when he did he chose the unqualified Mike Pence. One result of this has been the testing debacle. Another is the cruise ship debacle. There’s no telling what’s next.
But then, on top of all that, there’s Trump's tomfoolery. He said coronavirus is no big deal. He said everyone who wants a test can get one. He’s not taking any special precautions himself. He’s going to keep holding his rallies. He doesn’t want to unload a cruise ship because it might hurt his “numbers.” This is, as usual, stupid and uninformed, but it’s also genuinely dangerous. Above and beyond the policy shambles coming out of his dysfunctional administration, Trump’s rhetoric is likely to cause his supporters to do dumb things that will increase the death rate from coronavirus. Normally his mouth is childish and hurtful, but now it’s worse. It might start getting people killed in large numbers.
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Meh
If you weren't bitching about Trump doing this, I'm sure you'd be bitching about Trump doing something.
That's what you've done the last 3 years and that's what you're going to do for the next 5.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The Trump administration has had nearly three months to track the spread of coronavirus and get ready for its arrival in the United States. But given the state of the government's level of preparedness and public messaging, one might assume that Covid-19 was born yesterday.
As we look toward another week of headlines about the virus and its impact, we should expect Donald Trump to continue checking off the "do not do" list when it comes to disaster response, including spreading misinformation with statements minimizing the extent of the problem and contradicting health officials on the availability of testing kits.
While consistent public messaging is important at all times, clear and accurate information is especially critical during a crisis like an epidemic. It's a core pillar of informing people without inducing or feeding panic.
Instead, during this crisis, Americans would be better off muting the President and his continued onslaught of dangerous "advice" on how to deal with the virus. While administration officials scramble to share science-based information, updates on safety measures and more, the President is undercutting their efforts at every turn.
Whether it's sharing his "hunch" that the coronavirus death rate is lower than 3.4%, saying that the United States had contained the spread of the virus from China back in February, claiming that cases are going down, muddying the waters on vaccine development and more, the President is a walking, talking, tweeting disaster when it comes to the communications strategy required during a complex crisis like this one.
Crisis responses benefit when there's a competent team captain.
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Try posting something less insane.
Stop rolling in shit, eating shit, breathing shit, living shit, and especially flinging shit here.
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Trump frequently said things were under control when that was far from the truth. That had dire consequences.
The repeated false claims by the president that the virus was being contained exacerbated the problem. The claims made it difficult for public health officials to lay out the need to prepare for what happens next, even after most experts had begun to fear the virus was already here and spreading. There was also a ripple effect, with health officials and others not taking the threat as seriously as they should have because Trump kept on making faulty assurances, such as his claim at a Feb. 26 news conference that within the United States, the number of cases was “going to be down to close to zero.”
Trump is none too happy about all these stories about how his administration has dropped the ball on the coronavirus response and let his anger be known in a Sunday morning tweet. “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House,” Trump wrote. “The Fake News Media is doing everything possible to make us look bad. Sad!” What a jackass Trump is.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-white-house-ov
erruled-recommendation-seniors-avoid-flying.html
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That's what you've done the last 3 years and that's what you're going to do for the next 5.
Sorry, hon...HE'S DONE.
Took him just a few weeks to come into contact with someone who has it... True incompetence in action. He won't be re-elected now.
Nope we're getting four years of Blah Biden.
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