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SIGNYM

Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:56 AM

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To help move this discussion along a bit, can you name the person who developed the hypothesis that "AIDS" was caused by HIV? If you wish to include the year, that is fine as well.

Your very first response JSF was something about some sort of correlation, which YOU claimed was at 92%. (oh btw that would be 0.92, not percent.) You have to show what you're correlating to what (Kaposi's sarcoma correlated to cocaine use?) first, and provide that data behind that correlation. It seems to be central to your opinion that AIDS isn't caused by the HIV, and I'm not going to "move the discussion along" at your convenience because you want to skip past that point.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:59 AM

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You will not find HIV in any living person, right? HIV in humans is only found in dead people, who could not produce the Antibody. In order to prove that the person has "immuno-deficiency" the only test is used to prove the immune system is working and functional - by testing for the presence of the HIV Antibody, the product of the working immune system.

WTF?? OF COURSE you find HIV in living people! That's what "viral load" means.

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Pity would be no more,
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:08 AM

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Short answer: All of the 30+ diseases with their known symptoms and known causes which have, post-1980, been redefined as "AIDS" - even though all of the same exact causes are present, and all of the same exact symptoms are present.

The so-called "AIDS" cases were defined and classed by the "AIDS" advocates to support their AIDS epidemic hysteria, so whatever they used as definition was what was used for the correlation. Since the AIDS hoax was not scientific, it is not like we can retroactively make scientific the illogical diagnosis, they were merely accepted for the criteria of determining correlation.

Somebdy mentioned 2 examples earlier - Kaposi's Sarcoma, and pneumocystis carinii.

I cannot pretend surprise if diarrhea or weight loss were used by AIDS advocates to define their "AIDS" cases, so if that is what the AIDS movement chose to define the cases, then nobody has been able to talk sense into them, then or now.

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WHO’S RECOMMENDED CASE DEFINITION FOR AIDS

Different case definitions are used in different countries, depending on population factors (children, adults, relative occurrence of opportunistic infection) and on the laboratory infrastructure and training available. Current most used case definitions include for countries with... more sophisticated laboratory facilities
CDC 1987 (1)
CDC/CD4 (2)
European (3)

limited laboratory facilities
Abidjan/WHO (4)
Bangui/WHO (clinical) (5)
Caracas/PAHO (6) revised Caracas/PAHO (7)

1. 1987 CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION SURVEILLANCE DEFINITION FOR AIDS

Without laboratory evidence of HIV infection (in the absence of other causes of immune suppression)

Indicator disease diagnosed definitively
Candidiasis of the oesophagus, trachea, bronchi, or lungs
Cryptococcosis, extrapulmonary
Cryptosporidiosis with diarrhoea persisting > 1 month
Cytomegalovirus diseases of an organ other than liver spleen, or lymph nodes in a patient >1 month of age
Herpes simplex virus infection causing a mucocutaneous ulcer persisting > 1 month; or bronchitis, pneumonitis, or
oesophagitis for any duration in a patient > 1 month of age
Kaposi’ s sarcoma in a patient < 60 years of age
Lymphoma of the brain(primary) affecting a patient < 60 years of age
Mycobacterium avuim complex or M .kansasii disease, disseminated (at a site other than or in addition to
lungs, skin, or cervical or hilar lymph nodes)
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia
Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy
Toxoplasmosis of the brain in a patient > 1 month of age

With laboratory evidence of HIV infection
Indicator diseases diagnosed definitively
Coccidiomycosis, disseminated (at a site other than or in addition to lungs or cervical or hilar lymph nodes)
HIV encephalopathy
Histoplasmosis, disseminated(at a sit other than or in addition to lungs or cervical or hilar lymph nodes)
Isosporiasis with diarrhoea persisting > 1 month
Kaposi’ s sarcoma at any age
Lymphoma of the brain (primary ) at any age
Non-Hodgkin’ s lymphoma
Any mycobacterial disease caused by mycobacteria other than M. tuberculosis, disseminated
Disease caused by M. tuberculosis, extrapulmonary
Salmonella (non-typhoid ) septicaemia, recurrent
HIV wasting syndrome
Indicator diseases diagnosed presumptively
Candidiasis of the oesophagus
Cytomegalovirus retinitis with loss of vision
Kaposi’ s sarcoma
Mycobacterial disease, disseminated
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia
Toxoplasmosis of the brain in a patient> 1 month of age

2. CONDITIONS* ADDED TO THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION 1993 SURVEILLANCE DEFINITION FOR AIDS (WITH LABORATORY EVIDENCE OF HIV INFECTION in addition to those in the 1987 surveillance definition:

Source: WHO Recommended Surveillance Standards.
(Geneva: World Health Organization, WHO/EMC/DIS/97.1, 1997).

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1KIKI

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:09 AM

I think he doesn't understand that they can test for the actual HIV in people.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:12 AM

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You will not find HIV in any living person, right? HIV in humans is only found in dead people, who could not produce the Antibody. In order to prove that the person has "immuno-deficiency" the only test is used to prove the immune system is working and functional - by testing for the presence of the HIV Antibody, the product of the working immune system.
WTF?? OF COURSE you find HIV in living people! That's what "viral load" means.

Well, as of the turn of the century, no living person had been found with HIV present in their bodies. Can you provide reference for the first case found? What year was that?

That would be an HIV Negative person who had HIV.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:16 AM

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I think he doesn't understand that they can test for the actual HIV in people.

What is the test for that?

HIV Positive means the HIV Antibody is present. What is the test for live HIV presence?

1KIKI

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:24 AM

The test for actual HIV 'antigen' (ie - the HIV proteins) in the blood.

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https://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/hiv-aids-screening#1
(Antibody/) antigen combination tests

The CDC recommends these blood tests. They can detect HIV earlier than antibody screening tests. They check for HIV antigen, a protein called p24 that's part of the virus and shows up 2 to 4 weeks after infection. (They also check for HIV antibodies.)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:44 AM

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I've been waiting for this shoe to drop ...
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Los Angeles County officials on Wednesday declared a state of emergency as they confirmed six new cases of novel coronavirus in the county.
The county Board of Supervisors and Department of Public Health made the announcement alongside L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti and public health officials from Long Beach and Pasadena, which both have their own public health department.

County Supervisors and the Los Angeles City Council are both expected to hear reports during their Wednesday meetings about the status of the illness locally.

The county's second case
But what about cases three thru six?
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of COVID-19 was confirmed on Tuesday by Kaiser Permanente who is overseeing the care of the patient, currently in self-isolation and being treated as an outpatient, a spokesperson said. Additional details regarding the case were not available.

LA County might be at the case/case/case/cluster/cluster/BOOM! part of the exponential part of the curve.

LA County is very large. Does it mean anything that the Mayor of LA was flanked by Public Health officials of Pasadena and Long Beach? (We worked with LB Public Health lab on a toxic risk, I was VERY impressed with the dedication of the doctor who testified and helped us close down a facility.)

LA County is almost 4 times the geographica size of the State of Rhode Island, and their population is more than 9 times that of RI.

If LA County were a separate state, it would have about 15 Representatives in the House. It has more than 1/4 of the population of CA.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 5, 2020 4:11 AM

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Well, as of the turn of the century, no living person had been found with HIV present in their bodies.

Which century are you posting about? 1900? 2000? Your info is seriously out of date.

KIKI, you might want to explain that the p24 antigen is part of the virus, NOT an antibody. That's what "antigen" means.

I have found a good historic reference to the isolation from, and detection of, HIV (the virus) from LIVING PEOPLE. However, I'm not going to discuss that until you clarify your "correlation". I understand correlations, I used them all the time at work: it is the relationship between "X" and "Y". NOT between "X" and "A,B,C,D, or E or ....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2020 4:20 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The test for actual HIV 'antigen' (ie - the HIV proteins) in the blood.
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https://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/hiv-aids-screening#1
(Antibody/) antigen combination tests

The CDC recommends these blood tests. They can detect HIV earlier than antibody screening tests. They check for HIV antigen, a protein called p24 that's part of the virus and shows up 2 to 4 weeks after infection. (They also check for HIV antibodies.)

If you’re infected with HIV, an antigen called p24 is produced even before antibodies develop.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/testing/index.html

The antigen IS PRODUCED after HIV infection, part of the Immune System response, proving that the Immune System is working and functioning.

This is before the Immune System produces the Antibody, further proving the Immune System is responding, working, functioning properly.

But thanks for trying.