new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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JACK, I just want to backtrack for a minute.
After a the last couple of pages in this thread by your logic of NOT believing that AIDS/HIV is real or the Novel Corona Virus.
Then I guess every epidemic that has happened to humanity through history have been hoaxes too.
Like the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 14th Century and later. It killed almost half the population of Europe. I guess that was the churches making it all up. And the plague pits that are still accidentally found around London and sometimes Paris aren't real and the bones they find aren't real either.
Coming farther forward then small pox outbreaks in Europe weren't real either before Europeans bringing it to North America.
The pox infected blankets that were given to Native American villages that wiped the people out because we didn't have an immunity to it. Or those who were so sick and in pain, they went back to white towns and rubbed their bodies on the buildings thinking they could give the disease back to the White Man.
Moving along I suppose Typhoid Mary wasn't a real person. She was a carrier but didn't show any signs of the disease until near the end of her life. But she left death in her wake everywhere she worked.
Further still the Spanish Flu of 1918 after WWI.
Further still more small pox outbreaks in the US, measles and another big one polio that crippled hundreds of children. FDR was a victim of that one.
I guess dirty water doesn't carry disease in it.
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Quote:I'm pretty careful and even I'M not going that far! The source of contamination on say grocery bag handles is too indirect (hands that may have touched something touch the handles) imo to be of concern.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I have the answer for our cloth bag-handles: 70 pct IPA spray. (They say that water helps the alcohol penetrate the virus surface; which makes sense bc the proteins have to "unpack" a little before they're active, and they "unpack" with water.) I know that some say that porous surfaces are not a concern, but Chris Martensen's video has a chart of various surfaces showing long-lasting recoverability from paper. Roughly 5 days cooling-off for anything should reduce the contamination.
But MONEY may have been directly contaminated, which makes that concern far more direct.
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Quote:The widely quoted average case-fatality rate for the common flu is 0.08%. The widely-quoted average case-fatality rate for the Wuhan flu is 2% ... roughly 20X higher than the normal flu (altho it has been recently recalculated at 3.5% based on ex-China experience.)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've heard new numbers for the virus fatality rate are extremely low.
0% fatality rate for those under 10.
.2% fatality rate for those under 40.
.4% fatality rate for those under 50.
It gets a little higher from there, but not even on the level of the common flu.
Has anybody else heard this? I didn't read it. Heard it from a family member.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It didn't get "a little" higher, it got A LOT higher with age: 15% for 80+, 8% for 70-79, 4% for 60-69, 8% for people with heart conditions and 7% for people with diabetes
https://i.insider.com/5e583c47fee23d4cf4755b27?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webp
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-age-older-people-hig
her-risk-2020-2?op=1
The only way that they can get a better number for the Wuhan flu is by literally doing random testing to determine what percent of the population has it, and with the shortage of test kits/ test facilities they are saving those for people who are seriously ill ... which skews the sampling and increases the apparent case-fatality rate. So, back to what KIKI said: nobody really knows.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-04/los-angeles-county
-declares-coronavirus-emergency-6-new-cases
None of the new cases are connected to “community spread,” officials said. All individuals were exposed to COVID-19 through close contacts.
Officials said three of the new cases were travelers who had visited northern Italy, two were family members who had close contact with someone outside of the county who was infected, and one had a job that put them in contact with travelers.
Just a comment - but in the absence of community testing, they really can't say anything definitive either about community spread or where these cases really came from.
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Just to follow up because I added this later:
IN SUM: the things you have to worry about are: 1) touching your face with contaminated hands, which makes wearing a mask outside the house an excellent reminder; 2) hands that get contaminated outside the house, which makes hand sanitizer at the entry an excellent!!! preventative; 3) things that come directly into the house from the outside; which means washing your hands after you handle money in the house a good preventative. Cleaning cell phones, wallets and purse straps are additional precautions - because you touch those things OFTEN outside of the house then inside of the house.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
JACK, I just want to backtrack for a minute.
After a the last couple of pages in this thread by your logic of NOT believing that AIDS/HIV is real or the Novel Corona Virus.
Then I guess every epidemic that has happened to humanity through history have been hoaxes too.
Like the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 14th Century and later. It killed almost half the population of Europe. I guess that was the churches making it all up. And the plague pits that are still accidentally found around London and sometimes Paris aren't real and the bones they find aren't real either.
Coming farther forward then small pox outbreaks in Europe weren't real either before Europeans bringing it to North America.
The pox infected blankets that were given to Native American villages that wiped the people out because we didn't have an immunity to it. Or those who were so sick and in pain, they went back to white towns and rubbed their bodies on the buildings thinking they could give the disease back to the White Man.
Moving along I suppose Typhoid Mary wasn't a real person. She was a carrier but didn't show any signs of the disease until near the end of her life. But she left death in her wake everywhere she worked.
Further still the Spanish Flu of 1918 after WWI.
Further still more small pox outbreaks in the US, measles and another big one polio that crippled hundreds of children. FDR was a victim of that one.
I guess dirty water doesn't carry disease in it.
No. There were diseases and lillnesses that were real. AIDS just isn't one of them.
I'm not denying that Corona virus exists. Just saying that it's not scary.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You've never heard of smart phones and corrupted search engines? You've forgotten that google is smarter than anybody carrying a smartphone? They cannot be bothered to think.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I can't believe this. SOMEbody must be punking us.
38% Of People In Survey Are Avoiding Corona Beer Due To Coronavirus
https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/americans-avoiding-corona-beer-a
mid-coronavirus-outbreak-survey/
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Quote:To help move this discussion along a bit, can you name the person who developed the hypothesis that "AIDS" was caused by HIV? If you wish to include the year, that is fine as well.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Meaning the following 4 pillars are equally loaded, and the failure of any one pillar collapses the premise/hypothesis/belief.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Where is your EVIDENCE? Bring your cites and links here, so we can discuss them, because everything I have read says otherwise.
In order to meet the criteria that the HIV virus causes disease, it meets the following criteria:Quote:Here you are tiptoeing carefully round the facts. I don't have my books or references handy right now, so I must recall what I can. Of the correlations of "the disease" (meaning the symptom package), the presence of the HIV Antibody ranks 3rd, with around 80% correlation among those not subjected to "AIDS Medications" (aka Drugs). The 2 correlations which are greater are one at about mid-80's and the other about 92%. I forget the order of the 2, but the correlations are for Marijuana Abuse, and for Cocaine Use/Abuse. Not the greatest or most convincing argument for any virus causing any "desease" - although in reasearch, correlation is a useful clue.
1. The presence of the virus is correlated with the disease.
Correlation does not equal causation.Quote:This is not true. If it were true, then far more folk would have less reason to dispute the premise. Not all who have the symptoms have the HIV Antibody (which is the "test for HIV"). Since the 1920s or 1930s, many thousands of those who have had the symptoms did not have the HIV Antibody (known) although they did still have the known causes of these symptoms - just like these "AIDS" cases continue to have the same known causes, known and listed in DSM-IV since the 1950's.
2. While not everyone who has the virus has the symptoms, everone who has the symptoms has the virus.Quote:This is not true. For groups who were "exposed" and tested positive for the HIV Antibody, and then LEFT UNTREATED for decades, symptoms and "disease" never presented and they had normally healthy lives.
3. Those who previously did not have the virus (demonstrated) later acquire both symptoms and virus after exposure.Quote:So, of the 4 required pillars (as you stated), 3 are failures, so your premise collapses. As does your denomination/sect of your AIDS Religion.
4. Focusing treatment on the virus (with anti-retrovirals and other anti-virals) reduces both symptoms and assayed viral load.Quote:
It seems to me that the person with th religion is you, so bring your arguments forth and we can discuss them.
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Now, I'm well aware that there are many "diseases" that aren't caused by germs: Heart disease. Nutritional deficiencies like pellagra disease. Rhuematoid arthritis and other autoimmune "dieases". Genetic and mitochondrial diseases.
Still, you can't dismiss the "germ theory of disease" in relationship to AIDS. Well, maybe YOU can, but you shouldn't.
If you are looking for information to enlighten yourself, I noticed virusmyth.com - which I had not seen before, but I recognize many of the authors.
Again:
To help move this discussion along a bit, can you name the person who developed the hypothesis that "AIDS" was caused by HIV? If you wish to include the year, that is fine as well.
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JSF - I posted a whole bunch of facts for you including links to research showing HIV is the cause of AIDS. If you wish to continue to ignore/ deny facts, I'm just letting you know the only person who ends up looking like an idiot is you.
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Quote:Well now, lots of lies in that post, but the final lies seems quite blatant.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
JSF -
Your list of diseases doesn't exist in people with normal immune systems.
Here's the background: there are sometimes people born with one or more parts of their immune system that's not functional. This has been going on as part of our genetic code and noted for as along as written records exist. What that means is that people with deficient immune systems, who get weird infections and cancers no one else gets, have been known to medicine and studied LONG before HIV/ AIDS came around.
It was the fact that these already-recognized diseases of immune system non-function clustered in a new set of patients that started doctor looking at the immune system to see what was going wrong. And they found out that these people started out with normal immune systems, but then something went wrong later on, and they got the same diseases people born with bad immune systems got. That's what AIDS means - acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
So, the fact is that those very weird, rare diseases of immune deficiency correlate with the presence of HIV - human immunodeficiency virus.
Your other 'causes' - marijuana/cocaine - fail Koch's postulates. Once you isolate what you think is the cause, and introduce it into a healthy individual, it has to reliably cause the disease. Marijuana/cocaine don't cause AIDS. If they did the entire country would be blasted by AIDS just on marijuana use alone! Seriously, just ask Jack if he has AIDS from smoking weed. Marijuana/cocaine fail, completely, as causes of AIDS.
OTOH you can track the well being and health of someone who's HIV positive by looking for 1) the viral load in patient's blood - the higher the load, the more chance they'll progress to AIDS, and 2) the number of T-cells (T - or thymus-derived - lymphocytes, which are cells in the immune system that among other things make antibodies), the lower the number of T-cells, the more likely the person is to progress to AIDS.
The mechanism of how HIV destroys T-lymphocytes has even been worked out.
I hope you can take the time to ponder these facts.
But in sum:
Marijuana/cocaine fail Koch's postulates as causes of AIDS.
Otherwise the very large majority of people in the US who have smoked or do smoke marijuana would have AIDS.
OTOH, you'll not find a single case of AIDS (in genetically normal people) without also finding HIV.
You will not find HIV in any living person, right? HIV in humans is only found in dead people, who could not produce the Antibody. In order to prove that the person has "immuno-deficiency" the only test is used to prove the immune system is working and functional - by testing for the presence of the HIV Antibody, the product of the working immune system.
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