new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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UPDATED: Tuesday, May 5, 2026 22:21
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A third case of ncovid19 of "unknown origin", this time in Oregon.
This indicates that "community spread" has already occurred. When the CDC fixes its test kit/reagent problem and/or allows the various state public health labs to conduct alernate testing we'll see the number of cases jump.
We have already suspended our Friday lunches out, and participation at gym. We're limiting our shopping trips, and may wind up wearing masks if the situation progreses.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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KIKI, thank you for bringing the problem of "pandemic bonds" to the fore. That could explain WHO's delay in declaring a pandemic.
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Quote:The authorities want two things: not spend their money and effort on your problems but also not appear indifferent. Spinning the problem gives the authorities both things as long as the unsolved problems don't become too large for the authorities to ignore. At that point the authorities start feeling that your problem finally deserves some amount of their effort and money to solve. The more insulated the authorities are from you, the longer the authorities can wait to respond, but the actual waiting time depends very much on the hidden motivations of the authorities. It depends on the psychology of the actual human who is playing the role of authority. Some humans are vastly more stingy and indifferent than others but most try to pretend to care, some succeeding far better than others at playing this role, possibly because they actually do care or they actually are competent authorities, not imposters pretending competence.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.
You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!
Those "pandemic bonds" suggest that authorities don't want to declare a pandemic because money will be lost on those bonds. Maybe some of those authorities actually own "pandemic bonds".
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:HA!
KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...Quote:
I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.
SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.
SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah
Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.
And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?
JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.
You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
You weren't a young child in school when they were terrorizing kids about an alleged disease that was going to kill you if you had sex yet in adulthood most people can't find somebody who knew somebody who had it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
SIX: I'm not religious. Like, at all...
SIGNY: HA!
SIX ... I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.
SIGNY: In your 32 years you've never traveled around the world or been up in space, and yet you assume the Earth is round and it travels around the sun.
I've never done that in 40 years.
SIX: It is possible the Earth is round and travels around the sun. I willingly go along with that assumption because there is zero ROI to think otherwise or go down any of the Flat Earther rabbit holes.
I'm not convinced that we aren't in a simulation. And at the end of the day, whether we are or not is no matter.
My mind is one of the most open out there.
However, we have been lied to all of our lives blah blah blah
Oh, you think you're extra-crispy smart because you've entertained the notion that This could all be a dream? Well, sonny, I was asking that question whne I was EIGHT. and I didn't need to see The Matrix to prompt that thought. Furthermore, it's part of a long line of western philosophical discussion ... illusion versus reality. subjectivism versus objectivism ... so neither one of us can even claim to be particularly original.
And don't you think that it's just a little bit intellectually dishonest ... not to say hpocritical ... to be demanding evidence for some things, but then denying that evidence can even exist or that direct observation/exxperience can be probative when the argument doesn't go your way?
JUST BECAUSE AUTHORITIES OR EVEN ANTIAUTHORITIES TRY TO SPIN A PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.
You're a smart guy, but that's a blind spot!
SIX: You weren't a young child in school when they were terrorizing kids about an alleged disease that was going to kill you if you had sex yet in adulthood most people can't find somebody who knew somebody who had it.
Well, now you've found THREE people who knew someone ... or a couple of someones ... who had it. Isn't that enuf to satisfy your need for evidence that AIDS really does exist? And if not - why not?
Hey, when I was a kid we were terrorized with the Soviet Union! We had, I kid you not, "air raid drills" that had us hiding under our school desks for when the USSR was going to drop an atom bomb on us. Movies about what a nuclear explosion did to houses and cars and people. Serious discussion about how to protect yourself from nuclear fallout. Movies about the end of the world, like On the Beach. We even had the Cuban missile crisis, which had some people digging fallout shelters in their backyard. It was an existential threat that you couldn't even avoid, really, and it was the scariest thing in my childhood.
But that was a long time ago, SIX. Just because the authorities spun nuclear war for their own purposes doesn't mean that nuclear war couldn't end human civilization as we know it, or that Russia is to blame ... or ISN'T to blame ... for any particular event.
I've had some very anxiety-provoking events in my life, which caused temporary (yearlong) PTSD-like reactions, but as anxiety-provoking as they were, I just had to move on and leave them behind when the cause for anxiety was resolved. Usually an event would cause a reaction when I was experiencing some other unrleat
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What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.
If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives. And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.
Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.
BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It's not my "religion". I KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD IT. And seeing as I worked with him closely, I knew that altho he was gay he wasn't a drug addict because he never came to work high. I knew approximately when he got it, why and where, and his initial symptoms and the treatments he was on- which ones were working and which weren't. We used to talk, privately and quietly in the "LIMS room" (our unofficial tiny conference room) about his love life, his situation, his finances, jewelry, office politics etc.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What you probably haven't noticed is that I did leave an opening that there is an extremely small chance that AIDS or something like it does indeed exist. But your own "religion" of science seems to have let you gloss right over that fact.
Quote:If you are a male homosexual or in a relationship with a male bisexual or a male who has spent more than a month in prison, you'd better worry about it!
If it does exist, and that is a BIG IF, it is nothing that ANYBODY should ever worry about for a single second of their entire lives.
Quote:HIV is the virus. AIDS is the disease (the symptoms). It's like NCOV-19 is the virus, and COVID-19 is the disease. How did your understanding get so fucked up? I know there were rightwingers at the beginning of the epidemic who were convinced that AIDS was not caused by the virus (human immunodefiency virus, HIV) but the "gay lifestyle" of poppers, other drugs, and promiscuity, but as it became clearer and clearer that anti-retrovirals worked to control the symptoms and reduce viral load, I thought that rightwing trope died out. Listening to that being burped back is, like I said, listening to a flat-earther. May as well argue that HepC isn't caused by a virus either.
And it NEVER should have been used to terrorize 2nd graders in schools all over the country who hardly even knew what sex was back in the 80's.
Nilbog's numbers of a related yet very distinctly different disease altogether (HIV) put the number of deaths per year at 16,000 people.
BIG FAT FUCKING NOTHING BURGER.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
IMHO SIX, there's no point in discussing this with you. You won't bring up evidence for your POV, just denial and an experience from 2nd grade, an intensely emotional reaction that is just that: emotional.
Maybe this thread isn't the thread for you.
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Jack says that when he was 8 or 9 he was 'terrorized'. And despite the fact that he's had all these years to come up with an ADULT understanding and response, he hasn't managed. He's still that terrorized child, whose only way to deal with his anxiety is denial. There's something wrong with that picture. And I'm not necessarily faulting Jack. He may have a neurochemistry that leads to extreme anxiety. Or yanno, it could be something else.
But the picture he presents doesn't make sense as normal. No matter how terrorized you felt as a child, sooner or later you stop fearing the boogeyman as an existential threat. Or for my generation, you understand an accidental (or otherwise) nuclear confrontation could snuff you out at any time - AND YOU VOTE ACCORDINGLY - but you don't let it paralyze your life. So, imo, he should have resolved that by now.
And the resolution is ... yes, it exists. Take easy, commonsense precautions and you'll be OK. That situation is under his control.
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ANYWAY ---
2 new presumptive cases of COVID-19 that appear to be community spread were discovered - one in Washington state and one in Oregon. They're waiting on testing confirmation by the CDC.
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I was explaining to dd how doubling time of 3.5 days works ... if you start with "one" on day one, you will be up at approximately 1000 at the end of week 5, and approx 16,500 at the end of week 7. Now these cases (unknown origin) are just the cases that we KNOW about. How many cases do there need to be "in the community" before one case is detected? A factor of ten? Less? More?
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