new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
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So I heard on the news that some patient's dog tested positive for coronavirus. If that kind of thing stands up to testing, and if it can be extended to other species, it has huge implications not just for medicine, but for the environment.
Not exactly the Satan bug, but ...
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Quote:You must be trolling us.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just anecdotal "evidence" as far as I'm concerned.
AIDS isn't likely to be real.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I mean, I knew in the beginning of the epidemic there were people who insisted ... INSISTED, I TELL YOU... that a retrovirus wasn't the cause of AIDS, that it was a "lifestyle" disease caused by drug use and the "homosexual lifestyle".
That non-homosexuals and non-drug users (like, children who caught it from their mothers during birth) also got AIDS? Piffle!
That clean living and vitamins didn't provide a cure? Just a hoax!
That the virus was isolated from patients and its sequence determined, and it was seen under electron microscope? An incidental finding!
That antivirals reversed the symptoms and allowed patients to live longer, healthier lives? A hoax by Big Pharma!
That the disease could be prevented by using condoms during sex, despite all the rest of the "homosexual lifestyle"? Sheer placebo effect!
It was as crazy-making as listening to a flat-earther deny direct, experiential evidence that the earth is round.
I thought that the idea of the "non-viral" origin of AIDS had disappeared under the onslaught of evidence, but apparently there still are adherents to the idea, just as there are still flat-earthers around.
Well, it takes all kinds, I guess! The world would be a lot less interesting if everyone just accepted evidence! Carry on!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Quote:It might not be as bad as you imagine: Why the Silent Spread of Coronavirus Might Actually Be a Good Sign
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So I heard on the news that some patient's dog tested positive for coronavirus. If that kind of thing stands up to testing, and if it can be extended to other species, it has huge implications not just for medicine, but for the environment.
Not exactly the Satan bug, but ...
In China, the death rate has been reported as zero in children under 10, and very low, 0.2 percent, in healthy adults. Unfortunately, the rate is far higher, as high as 14.8 percent, in the sick and elderly (though as is always the case in outbreaks like this, it is hard to know how many of these older and often chronically ill hospitalized patients died with COVID19, not because of COVID19). The reported overall death rate of 2 percent is essentially a weighted average of these numbers.
So, what does the case of a young and otherwise healthy patient contracting the disease despite no obvious exposure to a contagious source patient imply? That there are likely many asymptomatic cases in our communities already. Asymptomatic transmission has already been reported in China. In the first reported case, the source patient transmitted the infection to others, but never became sick herself.
If this turns out to be common, it’s a good thing. It implies that the case fatality rate—the number of deaths divided by the number of infections—of this novel coronavirus is likely to be far, far lower than the reported statistics.
It’s worth parsing that coronavirus 2019-nCoV is the virus that causes the syndrome of respiratory symptoms now called COVID19. The number of people who carry the 2019-nCoV virus is not equal to the number of people who develop COVID19. These should be thought of as distinct entities. Only a subset of patients with the virus will ever develop COVID19. We do not yet know how many infected patients go on to develop the symptomatic syndrome itself. But the more people who have the 2019-nCoV virus but do not develop the symptomatic COVID19 syndrome itself, the less dangerous we can conclude it is for most people to contract it. Many may walk around and not notice.
While that may sound like a bunch of Typhoid Marys are walking around unknowingly infecting people, the assumption we have to make is that a high number of people will eventually be exposed to the virus anyway. If there’s one thing that’s clear so far, it’s just how contagious this virus is. So the fact that exposure might come sooner—because of asymptomatic carriers transmitting it in their communities—doesn’t make the disease any worse. It does suggest that not everyone will become sick from the virus and that the case fatality rate is likely far lower than the rates reported so far.
While the presence of asymptomatic carriers should be reassuring for the young and healthy among us, it is also a stark reminder that our primary responsibility as citizens and neighbors is to do whatever we can to decrease spread of all infections, including non-coronavirus infections, especially to vulnerable individuals, older patients and those with serious medical problems like coronary artery disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory illnesses, and cancer. That of course includes things like handwashing and staying on top of vaccination schedules. Wearing masks without attending to these other precautions misses the point, which is that most infections spread through lapses in hand hygiene and close contact. If COVID19 panic finally teaches us to focus on the right things and to better adhere to those recommendations, in the long run, this novel coronavirus might help us save more lives in our communities—for all contagious infections—than it ever directly kills.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/02/coronavirus-silent-spread-actuall
y-good-sign.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:When a Pandemic Meets a Personality Cult
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be trolling us.
I mean, I knew in the beginning of the epidemic there were people who insisted ... INSISTED, I TELL YOU... that a retrovirus wasn't the cause of AIDS, that it was a "lifestyle" disease caused by drug use and the "homosexual lifestyle".
That non-homosexuals and non-drug users (like, children who caught it from their mothers during birth) also got AIDS? Piffle!
That clean living and vitamins didn't provide a cure? Just a hoax!
On Wednesday Trump held a news conference on the virus, much of it devoted to incoherent jabs at Democrats and the media. He did, however, announced the leader of the government response to the threat. Instead of putting a health care professional in charge, however, he handed the job to Vice President Mike Pence, who has an interesting relationship with both health policy and science.
Early in his political career, Pence staked out a distinctive position on public health, declaring that smoking doesn’t kill people. He has also repeatedly insisted that evolution is just a theory. As governor of Indiana, he blocked a needle exchange program that could have prevented a significant H.I.V. outbreak, calling for prayer instead.
And now, according to The Times, government scientists will need to get Pence’s approval before making public statements about the coronavirus.
So the Trumpian response to crisis is completely self-centered, entirely focused on making Trump look good rather than protecting America. If the facts don’t make Trump look good, he and his allies attack the messengers, blaming the news media and the Democrats — while trying to prevent scientists from keeping us informed. And in choosing people to deal with a real crisis, Trump prizes loyalty rather than competence.
Maybe Trump — and America — will be lucky, and this won’t be as bad as it might be. But anyone feeling confident right now isn’t paying attention.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
I'm not religious. Like, at all...
I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything.
But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax.
You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
I'm not religious. Like, at all...
I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I read somewhere that the Coronavirus is a Dem plot to defeat Trump.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Its been something like 32 years and I've never known somebody with AIDS or known anybody who knew anybody with AIDS.
You really are the most epic narcissist I've ever seen.
You don't think AIDS exists because you live so sheltered you've never seen it??
The entire world -including ALL the doctors- are participating in a conspiracy to make sex "bad"???
Mind...boggling.
Not that it matters to you, but when I worked at the casino there was one guy that had HIV and one guy that had AIDS in the year and a half I worked there. One straight guy, one gay. Both were bartenders. The second guy dropped his till off with me one night and never came back. I was the last person to see him alive at work. He looked like walking death, rail thin, out of breath and bright red. I asked him twice that week if he was ok. I didn't know he'd died until I asked someone where he went a couple weeks later. He actually died of severe dehydration from shitting blood. He was only 32. It was then that his friend told me about the other guy. I had no clue about either.
People that have AIDS and HIV aren't going to go around telling everyone. Most work until they get a bowel or lung infection and then very quickly just die and you aren't likely to know.
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A Coronavirus PSA From Vice President Mike Pence
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I read somewhere that the Coronavirus is a Dem plot to defeat Trump.
No, we're supposedly hyping panic over it to bring down Trump.
Has nothing to do with "people gonna die" and as long as we all avoid handrails it'll all be ok, though.
I was at a docs office yesterday and the nurse there blew it all off. "We lived through swine flu and Sars and everything else. People live, people die, whatever."
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