new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Quote:I feel this was misleading. The key factor was that these 7,600 people were specifically those who had returned from China following the outbreak.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
BUT !!! ... back to the OP:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10735581-181/california-tells-7000-
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California tells 7,600 people to 'self-quarantine' because of coronavirus
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Quote:Why can't Tedros get it, so we stop getting lied to so much?
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"We Can't Stop This": Japan Rolls Out New 'Harm Reduction' Policy Aimed At Limiting Virus-Related Deaths
Overwhelmed by a flurry of 'unsolved' cases (that is, cases with no obvious connection to the outbreak in China, or anywhere else), Japanese health authorities announced on Tuesday a new plan intended to focus the country's precious medical resources on the most serious cases, while advising those with mild symptoms to treat themselves at home.
The approach differs markedly from the heavy handed tactics employed by Beijing, which at its peak had 760 million - roughly half the country - under some form of lockdown restriction.
According to the Washington Post, the "basic premise" of the Japanese plan is that the virus can't be stopped. That's right: The Japanese are essentially acknowledging that the thesis proposed by Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch - ie that 70% of the world's population might someday contract the virus - has at least some legitimacy.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-cant-stop-japan-rolls-out-ne
w-harm-reduction-policy-aimed-limiting-virus-related
You can find Japan's "new policy" here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-japan-idUSKCN20J0EBQuote:
Italian Cases Soar Past 300 As EU Stubbornly Refuses To Close Borders; 10 Dead: Live Updates
WHO warns the rest of the world "is not ready for the virus to spread..."
CDC warns Americans "should prepare for possible community spread" of virus.
Italy cases spike to 322; deaths hit 10
HHS Sec. Azar warns US lacks stockpiles of masks
Italy Hotel in Lockdown After First Coronavirus Case in Liguria
First case in Switzerland
First case in Austria
First case in Spain
Iran Deputy Health Minister infected with Covid-19
Quote:Another question I have about reinfection: Are those getting reinfected mostly from those who had "mild" response the first time, or were they the serious/critical cases the first time. I had not considered these vast differences before.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-korean-crisis-response-co
ordinator-commits-suicide-cases-near-1000-live-updatesQuote:
South Korean Crisis-Response Coordinator Commits Suicide As Cases Near 1,000, Deaths Hit 11
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-korean-crisis-response-co
ordinator-commits-suicide-cases-near-1000-deaths-hit-11
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Without looking too deeply into the whys and wherefores ... it seems the death rate is sensitive to either the (1) ability of the medical system to treat the illness or (2) the abundance of test kits and thoroughness of testing or (3) the race being struck.
When the virus hits a shipful of wealthy, mostly Anglos, or several towns of Italians, the death rate appears pretty low (0.5%). Higher than the regular flu (0.08% usually attributed to the flu) but not as bad as reoprted from China (2-2.5%).
OTOH, if reinfection is possible and the symptoms are worse than the first infection, Japan's strategy (let people "self isolate", only treat the sickest) is going to come back and bite them in the butt, because the virus won't sweep thru leaving behind a resistant population, it will sweep thru and leave behind an especially vulnerable one, ripe for an even worse crisis later.
It's critically important that this issue of "reinfection" be understood: What kind of immunity is built up (if any)? How often does reinfection occur? Are the symptoms worse that the first infection? Among other things, if the immune response is weak or (worse) counterproductive, then the idea of a vaccine doesn't promise much.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
BUT !!! ... back to the OP:
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10735581-181/california-tells-7000-
people-to
California tells 7,600 people to 'self-quarantine' because of coronavirus
Quote:Yeah, reading this with fresh eyes I can see how it might be misleading. They would have been more accurate (and less sensational) phrasing it something like ... California tells 7,600 people to 'self-quarantine' because of coronavirus concerns
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I feel this was misleading. The key factor was that these 7,600 people were specifically those who had returned from China following the outbreak.
Still, it does make an important point - there's a LOT of travel between California and China, and so a LOT of potential points of new infection chains here in the US.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us-american-case
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CDC official warns Americans it's not a question of if coronavirus will spread, but when
"As community spread is detected in more and more countries, the world moves closer toward meeting the third criteria: worldwide spread of the new virus," she warned. "As more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder."
"Now is the time for US businesses, hospitals, and communities to begin preparing for the possible spread of #COVID19," it wrote, referring to the name the World Health Organization has given the novel coronavirus. "CDC continues to work with business, education & healthcare sectors, encouraging employers to be prepared."
The CDC still doesn't know what that will look like, she added. Community spread could be reasonably mild or very severe.
"We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare in the expectation that this could be bad," she said. "The data over the last week, and the spread in other countries, has certainly raised our level of concern and raised our level of expectation" of community spread, she said.
Americans should also talk to employers about working online and talk to doctor's offices about telehealth, the CDC says.
The viruses can make people sick, usually with a mild to moderate upper respiratory tract illness, similar to a common cold. Coronavirus symptoms include a runny nose, cough, sore throat, possibly a headache and maybe a fever, which can last for a couple of days.
For those with a weakened immune system, the elderly and the very young, there's a chance the virus could cause a lower, and much more serious, respiratory tract illness such as pneumonia or bronchitis.
People may be able to reduce their risk of infection by avoiding those who are sick, avoiding touching their eyes, nose and mouth, and washing hands often with soap and water and for at least 20 seconds.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
The coronavirus almost certainly will begin spreading in communities in the United States, and Americans should begin preparations now, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.
“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in a news briefing.
In the event of an outbreak, communities should plan for “social distancing measures,” like dividing school classes into smaller groups of students, closing schools, canceling meetings and conferences, and arranging for employees to work from home.
“We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad,” Dr. Messonnier said.
“We cannot hermetically seal off the United States to a virus,” Alex M. Azar II, the secretary of health and humans services, told a Senate panel on Tuesday. “And we need to be realistic about that.”
Mr. Azar said he was alarmed by the human-to-human transmission of the virus in other parts of the world without an identifiable connection to confirmed cases, and what that could mean for how the virus may hit the United States in the coming months.
Individually, people can take the measures recommended for other infectious diseases, like washing their hands, covering their mouths when they cough, and staying home and away from others when they are sick.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Individually, people can take the measures recommended for other infectious diseases, like washing their hands, covering their mouths when they cough, and staying home and away from others when they are sick.
Perhaps the CDC officials would like to pay the minimum wage part time employees their minimum part time wage while they take unpaid days off of work?
It's a good thing I'm not in a huge rush to go working for somebody else just yet. I'll just camp out and see what happens.
At some point, I'm going to have to admit that this one is sticking around in the news cycles about twice as long as I ever expected it to.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.
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Quote:Now this site claims US has 57 cases, still in 9th place, with 6 recoveries.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site lists Canada as 11 cases.
And U.S. with 53 cases. In 9th place, and with 5 recovered.
Also, Active cases are 22% serious or critical, and Inactive cases are 9% fatal.
Diamond Princess has fallen to 3rd place, behind S Korea.
Canada still 11 cases in 20th place.
Active cases now 19% serious or critical, and Inactive cases still at 9% fatal.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.
Yup. It would seem they're just about as out of touch as your typical Leftist Elite.
Must be nice having that cushy government job and government health insurance.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I'm just grading myself on the spread of SARS-COV-2. Pretty early on I was extremely critical of WHO, and my opinion was that global spread was inevitable because WHO (Tedros) was far too compromised to do what needed to be done. But I was also far too optimistic that 'somebody' at 'some point' would do 'something' to stop the train I saw coming down the tracks. I was giving the benefit of the doubt, and putting hopeful question marks on what I thought was the near future.
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:58 PM
If this is an actual emergency, the WHO is acting far too cautiously.
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:19 PM
Obviously (to me) the virus is fairly easily (explosively) spreading person-to-person, despite all the cautious statements about unknown contagiousness.
So, if I use past experience with previous corona-virus outbreaks to predict the forward path of this corona-virus "2019-nCoV" outbreak, we have neither drugs nor vaccines to combat it, nor are we likely to have any in the future.
Friday, January 24, 2020 3:05 PM
My opinion is that given the information so far - especially the virus's explosive spread far past its origin in mere weeks - officials shouldn't be waiting for proof of pandemic, they should be acting on the potential for one. Otherwise, we're just hoping for luck. I dunno. How lucky do we feel today, punk?
Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:39 PM
I think 'm going to look like an idiot and start wearing a mask. And using hand sanitizer where I can find it, and asking the stores I frequent to set some out for general use.
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:47 PM
My personal opinion is that I see no reason why this won't eventually spread globally. For every confirmed case, I think they're at least 5 undiagosed. Those people are infectious, and can go around quietly infecting other people, who infect other people, and so on.
So the start may be small-scale in other countries, but unless either the virus changes, or control measures are adequate, I don't see anything other than a spread of the virus.
But, we'll see.
Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:44 PM
Yanno, I've been posting for quite some time that 'it all depends'. What are the virus characteristics? How does it mutate? What precautionary measures are, or aren't, being taken?
notice I've been saying IF the whole time
Sunday, February 2, 2020 8:03 PM
No one can predict the outcome, with, again IMO, the biggest variable being the number of unidentified cases in the general population. But if 2019-nCoV should get a toehold, the second variable would be if there's brisk and maybe even draconian measures to stop the spread.
I think US authorities will have the necessary data in 2 or 3 weeks about which way this is going.
Friday, February 7, 2020 7:26 PM
So, patient zero in this case was spreading coronavirus without a fever for 4-5 days (depending on time of embarking Jan 20 and debarking Jan 25). And either he had a heck of a lot of 'close contact' with 61 other passengers, OR the virus is spread more easily than officials state, and/or newly infected passengers are spreading coronavirus in a very short time.
Friday, February 9, 2020 4:35 PM
But we won't know what happens TO US, until we know
Wednesday, February 12, 2020 4:38 AM
In general, this is a sensitive type of test method, but there seems to be a lot of false negatives (the virus isn't detected even though people are infected) with this particular virus.
Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:41 PM
the lack of test kits (which test for viral RNA), and imo the number of false negatives
Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:39 PM
we need better tests !!
Monday, February 17, 2020 7:26 PM
If there were sufficiently good tests for SARS-COV-2 that were accurate enough, cheap enough, and fast enough - the government could go out and test random people in the population, instead of waiting for sick people to show up in the ER, or at some ty
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