Paranormal experiences & Dreams
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Thursday, September 1, 2005 22:52
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Sigma- entangled photons- I'd be interested in the anwer as well, altho I have no idea what the question is!
AFA the speed of light- what do you mean by "the information" is lost? What info? The frequency of the initial light source?
AFA the quantum-prediction comment- It's somehting I will have to look up because I only remmer the conclusion. It was published about 2(?) years ago, I read a summary in Science News. Best I recall- the authors were looking for a way to "read" particles at a quantum level. What they found (if I'm phrasing this correctly) is that the spin of a particle can be predicted by the spin of another particle. I'll try to find you the exact reference.
Brain glitches and parsimonious evolution... That assumes that certain types of development are genetic and subject to evolutionary fources. A species-wide ability, like talking parrots, is clearly genetic. But what about the case of synesthetes? These are ppl who perceive one stimulous as a combintaion of senses: color as color AND shape, or taste as sound AND taste. Apparently, they make up 10% of the population. Is that a meaningful development? I also tried to find an reference to the neurobiology of religious experiences... according to a couple of studies, some people are "built" to have religious experiences (intense feeling of one-ness or connectedness) because their thalami(?) are wired differently than most... but when I tried looking it up, I came up with too many references to the Buddhist (female) monk/ Franciscan monk study to wade thru. I'll have to find the reference later. But if that's the case, it seems kind of a cheat that most people would be deficient in their perception of religion, and like a synesthete talking to the rest of us about the color of drumbeat, the religiously-wired folks would be telling the rest of us "deaf" about the sound of god. (I just don't like feeling like I'm on the outside of a candy store, forever looking in! 
) EDITED TO ADD: And if there are only SOME people who can make use of or tap into "glichy" areas of the brain, even if they gain great insight, how much would that mean to the rest of the human race? How much could be transmitted and understood if it was strictly experiential? It would be very much like the proverbial sighted person trying to describe a sunset to the blind... it could never be transitted and only result in frustration to all concerned. \In order for an experience to be discussed, tehre has to be some common ground.
EDITED TO ADD: I should use the word "mystical" instead of "religious", since I agree with PirateJenny that religion has a lot to do with power. A lot of people in the world have religious experiences without ever have paranormal or mystical experiences. But I do have a question, too- In your opnion, are paranormal/ mystical experiences influenced by the surrounding culture? For example, are "ghost" or "spirit" events the same in China as in Iowa, or the Navajo reservation? I understand that the Navajo view ALL spirits as malign, so do they ever have friendly or at least neutral interaction with spirits, such a are described in this thread?
And then, humans have an ability to take their mental models too seriously. Just because we can think of something (purple dragons) doesn't make it real!
AFA talking parrots- I guess there are limits to parsimonious evolution. If the development doesn't cost "too much" energy, or is an outcome of a related, necessary development, I guess it is retained. I had a similar wonderment about the development of intense colors by benthic life... one does have to wonder "how"??
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Glowyrm- I can only pass on the advice given to most parents who are trying to convince their childs' doctor that somehting abnormal is going on- Have you ever tried videotaping thse blotchy areas?
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just some quick items:
synesthetes/parrots
it's assumed now most people are synesthetes and also have perfect pitch, but lose them during childhood. Only some individuals retain synesthesis, tonal-speaking cultures retain perfect pitch. Only certain individuals of certain types of parrots speak meaningfully. But that they can is genetic. Brain power is a heavy physiological burden - even when you are not actively 'thinking' about something the brain chews up glucose and O2. It needs to be constantly fed just to stay alive.
I'll probably make it back here in an extended way before 'the holidays', but if I don't get the chance - may the refocusing of our lives bring harmony and peace.
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Glowyrm- I can only pass on the advice given to most parents who are trying to convince their childs' doctor that somehting abnormal is going on- Have you ever tried videotaping thse blotchy areas?
yeh, i have had my doctor (a very streight non-believer) and even he has said that they are unusual, there is "an obvious swelling and thickening of the muscle." the most recent occurance with the falling dream has left me with a visible and sore lump in the middle of my spine. the angle that i landed on smashed my dream body into a small rock (female fist size) before bouncing slightly to the right. after x rays, ultra sound and a visit to the osteopath nobody has any other explination. its been several months and STILL the lump remains.
when my kids interact with my ghost it almost always goes the same way.
they will wake from sleep (usualy after a bad dream) and instead of crying and carrying on they both look at the same spot, same height, and start talking. the first time it ever happened i was sort of relieved that she (my oldest who was then 18 months) went back to sleep without me even going into her. at three years old she told me about her talks with "the man who isnt realy there but he is". we didnt talk about it much until my second daughter (now 2) started doing the same thing.
the room doesnt matter, or the layout. 'he' always sits in the middle of the side of the bed.
when my most recent relationship broke down, i waqs in a lot of emotional pain... i may enter that story as a blog entry... almost every night for months i felt a hand on my shoulder right before i would go to bed. or while i was doing the washing up. we love him and respect him and he is almost a part of the family.
"i love being a glowyrm, cause a glowyrm cant be glum. for who the heck would argue with big teeth and a sun for a bum!"
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glowyrm wrote:
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dream two.
ever heard the old chestnut about "if you dream you are falling and you dont wake before you hit the bottom you die"? well ive never woken up before hitting the bottom. i run from something and plunge straight over the cliff, i can see the waves breaking on the rocks, i see the rocks speeding up towards me, i open my mouth to scream but i dont get the chance. as soon as i hit the rocks its like im jolted out of my body and i rise, slowly to see my body. always the
same angle, the same injuries, sometimes different clothes but always the same ending. i watch the light turn off in my eyes an visible shutting off of my life. im not scared or worried just realy calm. then i float back down and merge into my body. i cant see anything, there is no sensory input at all and i just know im dead. then i wake up.
with this dream people who have stayed over say i sleep like a baby but when i wake up im swolen and red in certain areas.
im used to it now and i only get it once every few weeks instead of every few nights or at its worst a few times every night.
I'm no dream expert or anything like that, but find this dream very intresting the feelings and emotions I've experieced with something I call the pink room dreams....but back to you
it seems as if you are experiencing death in this dream, maybe a past death or future death, the fact that you can actually feel yourself leaving your body is the most intresting part of this recurring dream.
death is another one of those subjects that I think people should talk more about ..most people don't like to think of it but its part of living, and i think the fear thats associated with it is shamful..I mean death itself
I maybe scared about how I die, or when I die, but I'm not afraid of dying.
its something we are all going to have to do. I don't see why it has to be such a fearful exprience!!
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I maybe scared about how I die, or when I die, but I'm not afraid of dying.
i can totaly agree, i dont hold any fear of the actual act of dying, just the acts that lead up to it. after all, as any good kender(from the dragonlance books) would tell you "death is the last great adventure"
"i love being a glowyrm, cause a glowyrm cant be glum. for who the heck would argue with big teeth and a sun for a bum!"
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Quote:--Cmdr Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5
I don't want to be killed by a typo. It'd be embarassing.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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I've always been a bit of a paradox. My deepest belief is in the truth of science, yet I also firmly believe in the supernatural, metaphysical, and spiritual. I can't explain how they all fit together, but it's something like... Science explains the physical world, down to the planck scale, but the spiritual/metaphysical exists outside of the realm of current known science. Either because we don't have the technology to properly analyze such phenomena yet, or because we refuse to give the paranormal the mainstream attention it deserves.
In a thousand years, maybe we'll be able to take a college course on the psychology of mental telepathy, join a support group for struggling pyrokinetics, or hire a government-sanctioned medium to communicate with lost loved ones. Today, however, the information is a bit sketchy.
(This doesn't really have anything to do with the paranormal, but I've always been a lucid dreamer. Whenever something scares me in a dream, I always just kind of go, "You're not real, so 
off.", or I use some sort of force to push it away or render it helpless somehow. It seems to fit with my deep-rooted scientific belief... it's not real, so it can't hurt me. Oddly enough, sometimes, when I realize I'm dreaming, I'll ask somebody in the dream, "So, this is a dream, right?" and they'll respond affirmative, and it always makes me laugh.)
I'll post again with some of my more unusual experiences.
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I believe "somewhat" in the paranormal. Basically, I believe up to the point where someone tries to make money off of it.
I believe because I've had full-blown visions that warn me when someone I know is in extreme danger. I call it 'the voice'. The voice shows and tells me exactly what is going to happen if I don't act immediately.
I don't get these when the toast is going to burn -- I get these when my brother is about to burn. Literally.
Looking back, I've always had warnings about stuff but this was the first time that I really remember the voice screaming at me from inside my head.
I was babysitting about 4 blocks from my house when I heard a voice shout in my ear, "Larry is going to burn himself!" The voice showed me my little brother cooking hotdogs over a fire. He was wearing a huge purple poofy pirate shirt and the sleeves caught fire.
My first reaction was "why is Larry wearing my shirt?". The voice SCREAMED at me to stop him. I ran home as fast as I could and there was my little brother, pouring lighter fluid on a pile of sticks to have himself a private little weenie roast. And yes, he was wearing my purple pirate shirt.
I heard it again when I was at a party (a drunken debauch which inspired epic songs) and it warned me "FIND BECKY NOW!!" and showed me a visual of my roommate and 3 guys dead in a field.
I found Becky getting into a car full of drunks. I physically hauled her out of the car and threw her over my shoulder. (she is a tiny 5'1" thang). I dragged her kicking and screaming back into the party. I told the guys they had NO business driving in their condition.
An hour later we left the party and drove by the ambulances and emergency vehicles that were rescuing the one living victim and recovering the bodies of the three dead. Yes. They were the guys Becky was in the car with.
I heard the voice a few years later scream in my ear, "He's going to burn!". I was in the ladies room doing what you do in the ladies room when the voice showed me an airman in our squadron on fire, our lawnmower and lawn burning with him.
I hopped to my feet and blew off any handwashing - zipping as I was running out the bathroom door. I grabbed the fire extinguisher and kept running -- I hit the outside doors JUST as the airman pulled the cord on the mower.
He'd filled the gas tank from a bucket of gas and had splashed it all over the mower, the lawn, his boots, etc. He pulled that cord and immediately the mower, grass and airman were on fire.
I doused him with halon before he even realized he'd almost turned himself into a funeral pyre.
These aren't the only times I've heard the voice, but they do come to mind the quickest.
One day, I'll tell you about the ghosts I've lived with over the years.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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