Work suks

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JO753

Saturday, June 1, 2019 1:57 AM

I'v never liked being an employee.

Its more than just a feeling uv being owned, its a basic fact. The attitude uv employerz iz that they hav purchased your time, so you hav no say in wut they do with that time. And if meeting their demandz happenz to require you to modify wut you do in the time you havent sold to them, its not their problem.

Are big companyz are the worst? I dont no. They commonly hav a cattle ranch attitude, impozing all sorts uv onerous rulez, forsing overtime, suppressing wajez and regularly dumping thouzandz uv workerz at a time, all in the name uv maximizing profits.

But 12 yirz ago I turned down an offer uv 70K$ per yir kuz there wuz sumthing weird about the owner uv the small company I wuz making stuff for.

I'm packing boxez at an injection molding plant now. I hav no aptitude for it, so regularly fall behind. It suprized me that I didnt get axed within a month, but now I no its kuz they are having trubl keeping peepl from quitting. Very hi turnover.

Plus, we are getting less than 1% uv the sale prise per box, so they dont care too much.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:23 AM

Yeah. Sorry man. I completely empathize with you.

Finally thought I found a great fit for me. Got a great workout, made my own schedule, nobody managed me because I did 3 times what anybody else did and they were just happy to have me there.

Then they get rid of overnights, fire half of middle management, replace them with by the book assholes that make breaks for nobody and offer me a replacement job where I'd have to deal with customers, work whenever they feel like scheduling me any time of day any day of the week, shifts that are half as long as the ones I was getting and 10 hours less on average per week than I was getting before.

I don't ask for much, but apparently that's too much in 2019.

Work sucks. :(

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:52 AM

Hey JO, good to hear from you.

T

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:29 AM

At last! We agree on something! We should do lunch, you buy.

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 1, 2019 5:39 AM

Yep, tell me about it.

Before I retired I worked as a "professional" but they would still make random and nonsensical demands. One year they made us write down everything we had done for the past TWO YEARS in 15-minute increments, I kid you not! My last entry in that list was "spent 8 hours filling out this form".

I think any one of us could have told management ten different ways to do anything better, but they weren't interested in that.

But it's like they say: The only thing worse than working is not working.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 1, 2019 9:32 AM

I retired in 2015 and for the last 4 years I've had no responsibilities and no concern about what time or day it is. Do I miss working? Not for a gorram second!

JO753

Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:03 AM

Lucky you, Jong!

I got a ritten warning a few weeks ago for being too slow. I'm employed thru a temp ajensy, so had a meeting with the rep in charj uv this account.

I told her about sum uv the really stoopid stuff they do that hinderz and regularly goofs up the work flow. I agreed to rite a report, so thats wut I'm doing today.

There may be a slite chans they will chanje sumthing based on it kuz they dont like spending a month training peepl and then they quit. It puts a dent in their cheap labor plan.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:22 AM

It's funny. Until you made this thread, JO, I had assumed that you found a job that was at least somewhat on par with your abilities. Seems you're working down in the muck, in those dirty waters I've been treading the last 10 or so years.

I think guys like us need to start our own companies, JO.

I know that my brain isn't wired to do my best work around somebody else's schedule... especially when the job consists of meaningless work.

The only thing that got me through my recent job and even enjoying it was that I told myself I was doing it for the workout and I literally made good on that and got back my 25 year old body over the last year and a half. If I hadn't done that, I would have gone nuts doing such a stupid job beneath my ability for as long as I did.

I fixed my car last year. Probably going to learn how to fix a porch with severe structural issues this year. Well... either that or learn how to sell a house that needs a lot of work for an amount I'm willing to accept.

Starting a business can't be that hard, can it?

What do you think we could do?

In the mean time... good luck with the report. At the end of the day if she likes what you have to say, she will take credit for any positive changes going forward. You won't get any recognition for your contributions, but at least you might not hate your job duties as much after the changes are implemented if you don't allow yourself to dwell on that fact.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Monday, June 3, 2019 2:54 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only thing that got me through my recent job and even enjoying it was that I told myself I was doing it for the workout and I literally made good on that and got back my 25 year old body over the last year and a half.

Similar situation here.

I get to take a break wenevr I want for az long az I want wen I'm working in my own shop, so over the last 15 yirz, I got kinda marshmellowy. All the litl
muslz that keep you standing, sitting up, keeping your armz up in front uv you etc had atrofied in spite uv occasional work outs and hard work on projects.

Wen I started this job, I'd get a back ake after just haf an owr! Now I can be on my feet all day and feel OK. And I'v lost 20 poundz.

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Starting a business can't be that hard, can it?

Not very hard at all. Less red tape than a typical tax return.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 3, 2019 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only thing that got me through my recent job and even enjoying it was that I told myself I was doing it for the workout and I literally made good on that and got back my 25 year old body over the last year and a half.

Similar situation here.

I get to take a break wenevr I want for az long az I want wen I'm working in my own shop, so over the last 15 yirz, I got kinda marshmellowy. All the litl
muslz that keep you standing, sitting up, keeping your armz up in front uv you etc had atrofied in spite uv occasional work outs and hard work on projects.

Wen I started this job, I'd get a back ake after just haf an owr! Now I can be on my feet all day and feel OK. And I'v lost 20 poundz.

Good to hear that at least it's making you healthier too.

I remember how hard my current job was those first few months and all of the aches and pains I'd go home with only working 7 hour shifts and now I usually work at least 9 1/2 hours without any pain. Unless I'm getting paid a good amount somewhere down the road, I plan on only working jobs that require a lot of physical labor. I have to at least be getting a workout while making next to nothing.

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Starting a business can't be that hard, can it?

Not very hard at all. Less red tape than a typical tax return.

Yeah... I really wasn't talking the paperwork though. I'm fairly good at stuff like that, and pretty much a jack of all trades and quick to learn things if I don't already know them.

But marketing and sales was never a strong suit of mine.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, June 3, 2019 6:08 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Lucky you, Jong!

I got a ritten warning a few weeks ago for being too slow. I'm employed thru a temp ajensy, so had a meeting with the rep in charj uv this account.

I told her about sum uv the really stoopid stuff they do that hinderz and regularly goofs up the work flow. I agreed to rite a report, so thats wut I'm doing today.

There may be a slite chans they will chanje sumthing based on it kuz they dont like spending a month training peepl and then they quit. It puts a dent in their cheap labor plan.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

I guess I was lucky. I had planned on retiring in 2021, but in 2015 my company made us old-timers an offer to retire early that was too sweet to refuse. It was very weird at first, waking up to get ready for work, and then realizing I didn't have to do any of that.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 3, 2019 9:54 AM

Lucky and the right age.

Those days are over. Nobody my generation is never going to see any premature buyouts. Kids today are going to be lucky if they can even afford to house and feed their families without government assistance.

The good old days, they are gone.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Tuesday, June 4, 2019 2:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:It was very weird at first, waking up to get ready for work, and then realizing I didn't have to do any of that.

How long ago?

Maybe youv alredy dun so, but I segjest you start a hobby uv sum sort that requirez alot uv brain and body effort. Maybe a few different hobbyz.

My dad retired in 1992 and then basicly flopped down in hiz lazy boy & woct TV. He made it to 88, but hiz last 5 yirz werent great.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, June 5, 2019 6:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:It was very weird at first, waking up to get ready for work, and then realizing I didn't have to do any of that.

How long ago?

Maybe youv alredy dun so, but I segjest you start a hobby uv sum sort that requirez alot uv brain and body effort. Maybe a few different hobbyz.

My dad retired in 1992 and then basicly flopped down in hiz lazy boy & woct TV. He made it to 88, but hiz last 5 yirz werent great.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Good advice! It's been 4 years. Generally I manage to stay pretty active considering all the free time I have. My wife helps out by creating little projects for me, and some of them aren't all that horrible.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 5, 2019 6:30 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:It was very weird at first, waking up to get ready for work, and then realizing I didn't have to do any of that.

How long ago?

Maybe youv alredy dun so, but I segjest you start a hobby uv sum sort that requirez alot uv brain and body effort. Maybe a few different hobbyz.

My dad retired in 1992 and then basicly flopped down in hiz lazy boy & woct TV. He made it to 88, but hiz last 5 yirz werent great.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Good advice! It's been 4 years. Generally I manage to stay pretty active considering all the free time I have. My wife helps out by creating little projects for me, and some of them aren't all that horrible.

lol. Yeah. The longer I remain single the more I realize having getting hitched at some point might not have been the worst idea in the world.

When my friend was over the other day and we were making a plan to fix up my house, he was also going ot be coming over to take a bunch of stuff I was getting rid of, including 4 large box speakers that were hella-expensive when they were new. He wanted to integrate them in a bar he was going to build in his basement.

When we were out by the garage and I showed them to him though, he said "yeaaaaah... I kind of feel when I take something in I have to get rid of something else. My fiencee is going to kill me if I bring these home with me."

I laughed and said that not having a woman around to tell me no when I was taking all of this crap in was what got me into this situation in the first place. She's probably right.

I then went on to show him all of the stuff in my garage that I haven't even gone through yet that I need to get rid of, such as a broken lawnmower, broken leaf blower, broken weed wacker and broken power washer that I never even spent 3 seconds ever trying to fix. Except for the power washer, I have working versions of all of these tools. There is no need to accumulate all of that crap. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and all of that.

Good you're keeping busy though. My old man manages to do so and has been retired for 12 years now and is doing just fine. I know some people who didn't live very long after retirement though. I'm pretty sure I'll be one of them unless I can find some sort of self motivation, so I plan on working at least part time for the rest of my life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Thursday, June 6, 2019 1:37 AM

Therez a 72 yir old guy where I work. Boris.

He'z a dynamo! Wokking around fast most uv the time doing inspection paper work, helping assemble & pack, fixing stuff. Probably the hardest worker in the plase.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

JO753

Thursday, June 6, 2019 10:09 AM

Finished restoring The Tetrahedron a few daze ago. If it sellz, I'll be able to keep my house!

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1KIKI

Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:16 AM

Quite pretty. Good luck selling it!

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 6, 2019 1:19 PM

wow, thats amazing!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 6, 2019 6:40 PM

Dodecahedron or GTFO.

JK man. Looks awesome. There's still plenty of people in this economy who make way too much money. I'm sure you'll find the right buyer on the internet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Finished restoring The Tetrahedron a few daze ago. If it sellz, I'll be able to keep my house!

Whoa!

Please Note: The following comments come with no money back guarantee or warranty and should be consumed with a huge grain of salt. Caveat Emptor!

Jo - you are a straight up artist. No question. It can be hard to create in the bubble that is one's own home/life and have any perspective on one's work.That is very impressive/ I have a lot of suggestions and questions - continue at your own risk:

1. You need better images, imho. A lot better - maybe you know that, just reinforcing if you do. Do you know a pro photographer? Think about it. It's a visual world! Backgrounds, lighting, creating a more uplifting setting... like I said, you may already know this, jic.
2. How much?
3. What's the cube made of? I wish it could be suspended magnetically.
4. The random grid design is awesome - aesthetically pleasing on it's own, reminds me a bit of the Bird's Nest.
5. Do you have more? Are they being shown by anyone, any gallery? There are so many venues this could be shown and sold in, of all sizes.
6. I think the only thing keeping you from selling these and making a full time living from the sales is you (naturally). You definitely have the vehicle right in front of you. Life is soooo short - take a leap, commit!

IMPORTANT: Did I mention this advice is worth nothing and could be dangerous?

Good luck!

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:15 PM

JO753

Friday, June 21, 2019 10:27 PM

We hav a bid! Youre a wee bit short uv the rezerv, Jong, But dont let that ruin your enthuziazm. https://www.ebay.com/itm/254264434671?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_t
rksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Good segjestionz, CC. Youre rite, I am the main obstacle to my own success. Arent we all?

Got a call frum the recruiter lady frum the temp ajensy this morning. I'm dun packing boxez! Axed! Do not hav to go in tonite! WOOOOHHHHOOOOO!!!!

The sirkumstansez are a little odd...

The lead (like a foreman) went thru sum effort last nite to get my internet akses to the employee compliance* website, so it seemz he wuz not aware uv my imminent dismissal. The supervisor wuz also involved with that.

Wut woud make sens iz that sumwun opened the envelope containing my report, even tho it wuz sealed and labeled for the temp ajensy woman and in the mail bin hanging on her offis door.

Even tho I spent alot uv time trying to make it constructiv and uninsulting, therez no way to put a pozitiv spin on most uv the problemz they hav. So I can understand how they mite take offens and fire me.

Hard to describe wut a hyooj relief it wuz. I wuz alredy rezined to forsing myself to get to sleep so I coud wake up at 4pm latest and get redy for the next 12 owr deth march.

Suddenly I can stay awake az long az I want. Post here without worrying about how I'm spending my time. I can get back to work on the new campane paje. I can get back to work on the next GRaVMIL experiment.

Its incredibl how much work I can get dun now that I dont hav to go to work!

*I jiveth ye not, they call it compliance training! All the employeez hav to complete a regular seriez uv online lessonz. This iz from the company that haz redused them to 7 holidayz per yir, instituted manditory overtime, and iz ending all bonusez this yir.

It coud be that the upper manajment regularly referz to the workerz az 'slavez' amongst themselvez, so they dont realize how demeaning 'compliance training' soundz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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JO753

Saturday, June 22, 2019 5:08 AM

This iz great! Rite this minit, 6:04 pm, I'd be parking my car at the factory. By 6:08 I'd be wokking thru the door, perhaps joking with Dave about there needing to be a sine above the entrans that sez 'surrender all hope, all ye hoo enter here'.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 22, 2019 6:27 AM

It occurs to me that I should have put my work related ranting in this thread instead of the garden and rain thread... Oops...

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Its incredibl how much work I can get dun now that I dont hav to go to work!

Good for you bud. I'll be in the same boat tomorrow morning.

Maybe we can tell tales of our successes with that and keep each other honest.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:23 PM

Oh yeah, wow the economy is really doing great, huh? [/snark]

JO, you are a fabricator and artist par excellence. I agree with CC ... you need to find a venue for your creations. Possibly you could turn your artistic flair and skills towards something more pedestrian but maybe more marketable, such as custom metalwork (doors, railings, etc) for the very wealthy. OTOH, it you can find a gallery for your work, it may not be necessary.

BTW, I had some comments on your platform. They're in the "my platform" thread. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63022&p=3

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:16 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
This iz great! Rite this minit, 6:04 pm, I'd be parking my car at the factory. By 6:08 I'd be wokking thru the door, perhaps joking with Dave about there needing to be a sine above the entrans that sez 'surrender all hope, all ye hoo enter here'.

First Norm quote seems appropriate: "Great, I'm unemployed..."

I worked a summer job for the City once. It was hell - humans doing the mindless work that robots were meant for. It was almost comical. About 15 of us were each given a stack of papers 2 feet high and told to look at the dates on each sheet. If they were between x dates they went in one pile, y dates another pile. 8 hours of that. And a battle ax of a boss, "No Talking!"

Driving in on the morning of my fifth day I saw my exit coming up and I just blew right past it. I just kept going. That feeling of relief was incredible. That was a teaching moment for sure. I only wish I could say it was the last crap job I ever had.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:12 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Driving in on the morning of my fifth day I saw my exit coming up and I just blew right past it. I just kept going. That feeling of relief was incredible. That was a teaching moment for sure. I only wish I could say it was the last crap job I ever had.

That's pretty cool, actually.

Can't say that I've ever just actually drove the other way when I decided I wasn't going to do it anymore.

This is the second time in my life that I've let it be known that I wasn't going to put up with the new terms of our arrangement. It's only the first time that I have no regrets though. Lost quite a bit of income the first time I decided that I didn't feel like eating a shit sandwich every day.

But that's the beauty part of making dick. I can go anywhere and make dick.

I was laughing about that when I talked to my old man about all of this the other day. I've got 22 years until retirement, and it wouldn't surprise me if I had at least 15 more jobs until that glorious day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:40 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
First Norm quote seems appropriate: "Great, I'm unemployed..."

HA! I'll haf to watch that seriez sum day!

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Driving in on the morning of my fifth day I saw my exit coming up and I just blew right past it. I just kept going. That feeling of relief was incredible.

Kool!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM

Good article.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/6/20681186/fast-food-worker-b
urnout

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:26 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Good article.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/6/20681186/fast-food-worker-b
urnout

Something we can agree on.

Though I haven't worked fast food, I've worked just about every other bottom of the barrel job out there, and I can tell you that this article isn't lying.

The worst job I probably ever had was loading trucks at UPS back in my late teens. Got up at 2:30AM to get to work at 4:30AM for a 4.5 hr shift, 5 days a week. Bundled up to the gills because it was winter and you're essentially outside (I also worked at FedEx a few years later during the summer loading trucks, which surprisingly was not nearly as bad as UPS, but it easily got over 100 degrees in those trucks and I'd drink 2 gallons of work in a 5 hour shift).

But the most oppressive thing about the job was the constant monitoring and the impossible task that was laid before you every day. There were invisible sensors on the chutes leading down to the belts in the trucks, and anytime they were tripped an EXTREMELY LOUD BUZZING occurred along with siren lights and soon a manager coming your way to yell at you to pick it up on top of it.

I've been the hardest working and quickest worker at any job that I've ever worked, and even at 40 years old that hasn't changed. Yet, nothing you ever did at UPS was ever good enough.

I'd imagine that unlike fast food, nothing much has changed in the 20 years since I worked at UPS. They were pioneers in this wretched technology and oppressive work vehicle. Maybe they've just gotten rid of the manager's salary completely though and now Alexa or Siri verbally abuses you over the screaming alarms and siren lights when you fail to live up to their impossible standards.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

The worst job I probably ever had was loading trucks at UPS back in my late teens. Got up at 2:30AM to get to work at 4:30AM for a 4.5 hr shift, 5 days a week. Bundled up to the gills because it was winter and you're essentially outside (I also worked at FedEx a few years later during the summer loading trucks, which surprisingly was not nearly as bad as UPS, but it easily got over 100 degrees in those trucks and I'd drink 2 gallons of work in a 5 hour shift).

Heh - worked for UPS one Christmas season in Minnesota, and I was the outside guy all day - no joke. I didn't get up that early, thank gawd, but we'd go late into the night. I'd get picked up around 6am and then they'd drop me in some neighborhood with this tubular double wheel barrel type thing and an s-ton of packages, "see you in 1 hour." The stupid thing had no sides, just a few bars and packages would constantly fall out into the snow.
The mandate was ALWAYS leave the package no matter what, even if you had to go around back. It was a lot of hustle in the snow wrestling with this stupid carrier, but I didn't mind - good exercise. And it paid well - really well.
Only real bad part were the occasional a-hole dogs. Fuggers - bless 'em but daaaamn. And you couldn't always tell which houses would have them - you just rolled the dice. This one house, I couldn't leave the package out front because they didn't have a screen door and no bushes to hide the package behind, so I headed to the gated back yard. Yep. 2 big huskies came after me, so I bolted. I met up with the driver (a woman) about a half hour later and let her know I had one 'no delivery.' She took us back to the address and got the box, and walked up to the gated back yard. The dogs came running up again, barking like crazy, and she just opened the gate and walked in. She just talked to the dogs the whole time like she knew them. They kept barking but she got in and out without anything else. "Well fuk me." Another sh*t job teaching moment.
And yes, to your experience, I saw the same cruel-ish demands on employees and that crazy mind set of "OBEY your UPS Masters!" Each level manager just passed on the beating they got from above to the people below them. That seems like one of the core themes of corporate America.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:22 PM

The worst job I ever had was telephone sales, on commission.

*mic drop*

I've worked at jobs that were physically more demanding, like the recycling center where we'd load 12 or more tons of paper into trucks.

I've worked at jobs that were more dangerous, like air pollution testing where I had to climb up smokestacks (yep, real smokestacks, like the kind you see sticking up into the air. Ever notice the ladders and catwalks on the side?) some of them 200 ft high, and get exposed to all kinds of pollution. (I have some interesting stories to tell about refineries and other industries if you want to hear them!)

I've worked at jobs that kept me up all hours.

But the worst was telephone sales.
It does NOT fit my introverted personality!

*****

Hey, has anyone heard from JO lately? Is he OK?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:33 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, has anyone heard from JO lately? Is he OK?

If you click on his username it will show you his posts in chronological order, last one was:

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
Friday, July 12, 2019 3:36:57 PM
NASA Tek Breifs contest

Definitely in keeping with his posting schedule.

Jo is not having to be anyone's slave right now, so I wouldn't blame him if he didn't put a sleeping bag in the back of that GM boat of his and head for a coast.

Call Center phone sales would be hell on earth. I did phone support, which could be bad (if people were a-holes about things they broke), but not as bad as sales I would imagine - at least we were actually helping people..

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, has anyone heard from JO lately? Is he OK?

If you click on his username it will show you his posts in chronological order, last one was:

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
Friday, July 12, 2019 3:36:57 PM
NASA Tek Breifs contest

Definitely in keeping with his posting schedule.

Jo is not having to be anyone's slave right now, so I wouldn't blame him if he didn't put a sleeping bag in the back of that GM boat of his and head for a coast.

Call Center phone sales would be hell on earth. I did phone support, which could be bad (if people were a-holes about things they broke), but not as bad as sales I would imagine - at least we were actually helping people..

Whew! OK, good to know.

For some reason I just didn't think to check his recent posts, so thanks for checking for me!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

The worst job I probably ever had was loading trucks at UPS back in my late teens. Got up at 2:30AM to get to work at 4:30AM for a 4.5 hr shift, 5 days a week. Bundled up to the gills because it was winter and you're essentially outside (I also worked at FedEx a few years later during the summer loading trucks, which surprisingly was not nearly as bad as UPS, but it easily got over 100 degrees in those trucks and I'd drink 2 gallons of work in a 5 hour shift).

Heh - worked for UPS one Christmas season in Minnesota, and I was the outside guy all day - no joke. I didn't get up that early, thank gawd, but we'd go late into the night. I'd get picked up around 6am and then they'd drop me in some neighborhood with this tubular double wheel barrel type thing and an s-ton of packages, "see you in 1 hour." The stupid thing had no sides, just a few bars and packages would constantly fall out into the snow.
The mandate was ALWAYS leave the package no matter what, even if you had to go around back. It was a lot of hustle in the snow wrestling with this stupid carrier, but I didn't mind - good exercise. And it paid well - really well.
Only real bad part were the occasional a-hole dogs. Fuggers - bless 'em but daaaamn. And you couldn't always tell which houses would have them - you just rolled the dice. This one house, I couldn't leave the package out front because they didn't have a screen door and no bushes to hide the package behind, so I headed to the gated back yard. Yep. 2 big huskies came after me, so I bolted. I met up with the driver (a woman) about a half hour later and let her know I had one 'no delivery.' She took us back to the address and got the box, and walked up to the gated back yard. The dogs came running up again, barking like crazy, and she just opened the gate and walked in. She just talked to the dogs the whole time like she knew them. They kept barking but she got in and out without anything else. "Well fuk me." Another sh*t job teaching moment.
And yes, to your experience, I saw the same cruel-ish demands on employees and that crazy mind set of "OBEY your UPS Masters!" Each level manager just passed on the beating they got from above to the people below them. That seems like one of the core themes of corporate America.

Yeah man... UPS was the most thankless job I ever had. At least the delivery drivers and helpers got paid decently. I didn't know that until recently. The package handlers were worked like dogs and didn't get paid squat for it. This would have been back around 1998 and I made $8.00/hr, part time with no benefits other than some minor accumulated PTO. (If I put in a year with the company, they would have also put up $1.00/hr for college expenses, but I didn't last more than about 3-4 months there before literally telling a manager to take this job and his clipboard and shove it up his ass).

Even with all the changes at [company name redacted] before I was laid off, it's still not nearly as bad as UPS was all the way back in 1998. But I do see a lot of parallels, and the way things are going I could see it getting that bad. The new asshole running the store is a robot, and aims to strip all human interaction between co-workers, managers and subordinates. What was once lauded as a great place to work is becoming just another soulless and lifeless organism.

Shame.... :(

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:14 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
She just talked to the dogs the whole time like she knew them. They kept barking but she got in and out without anything else. "Well fuk me." Another sh*t job teaching moment.

That doesn't always work with guys tho. My mom and I had 4 chi mixes in 30 years and two of them hated any male they saw, whether it was 9-90. And from personal experience going to church with black people when I was younger, most chihuahuas HATE black people. The dark color screams "intruder" to the dogs. Many of the black people I knew were terrified of chi's and I've heard many of them say they hate all dogs for the same reason. There have been a bunch of vids lately where black postal people just spray ANY dog that gets near them, probably because they never do know if they will be attacked. Having been attacked by a larger miniature doberman before, I can see where they are coming from.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:36 AM

I figure that the dogs that act hostile around black people are just raised in areas where there usually aren't any black people.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see any reason why any type of dog that saw black people interact with their owners on at least a semi-regular basis would have a problem with them. I'd have to say the same thing about black people actually owning one of these breeds that supposedly don't like them either from the time they were pups.

This dude seems to have his Chihuahua on lock down pretty good. [WARNING: Do not watch with headphones, or at least have them turned down LOW!!!]

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:35 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO, you are a fabricator and artist par excellence. I agree with CC ... you need to find a venue for your creations. Possibly you could turn your artistic flair and skills towards something more pedestrian but maybe more marketable, such as custom metalwork (doors, railings, etc) for the very wealthy.

http://www.zolkorp.com/PRoDUKS.htm

Not a big market, but maybe enuf for 1 guy (me) to make a living?

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http://www.7532020.com .

JO753

Monday, November 4, 2019 2:21 PM

Got a job at PeaPod. Its an online grosery store that deliverz.

Suks.

I'm a shopper. They hav rates and I'm not fast enuf, so got a 3 day suspension. Like Cardinal, they think you can threten a turtle to make him win the Kentucky Derby.

I'd alredy asked to try being a loader, so this iz extra silly.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, November 4, 2019 6:57 PM

You seem to have a good sense of humor about it, JO.

Welcome to the world that's been Six Sigma'd.

The stuff you're dealing with at PeaPod is the stuff that all of my former co-workers are dealing with at the place that I'm still not comfortable naming by name yet. 20 years ago, legend has it, it was a fantastic place to work for. It wasn't very good by the time I got there, as most of the benefits and pay raises were already eliminated for those of us not grandfathered in. With the corporate restructuring that happened in July, it's just as bad as working for UPS, which is a terrible, terrible job.

Get out of there. Find something better. Your talents are wasted there, and you're too good for that place. I can't imagine it pays much, and the great thing about working jobs that pay shitty wages is that there are a ton of them to choose from.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, November 4, 2019 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Got a job at PeaPod. Its an online grosery store that deliverz.

Suks.

I'm a shopper. They hav rates and I'm not fast enuf, so got a 3 day suspension. Like Cardinal, they think you can threten a turtle to make him win the Kentucky Derby.

I'd alredy asked to try being a loader, so this iz extra silly.

Sorry to hear, Jo. Not sure why these places make work such a pain. They can't like having to constantly hire new people - what a chore that must be for them.

I worked at a bar in college. The owner didn't like that I wasn't constantly circling patrons pushing his cheap hooch, "Want another drink? Beer? Chips? Come on dude, down it and get another!" They moved me to bartender, which I wanted to do anyway - and it was a hell of a lot better.

Hopefully you'll find the same true of loader - sounds more bad@ss than shopper at least.

JO753

Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:48 PM

I wuz sure they were going to call me & say I'm axed, but insted I go back tonite az a tote maintainer. Soundz eazy, but sins it payz about the same, I'm gessing they must make it mizerable sumhow.

Cant just giv away money to workerz.

Meanwile, a frend had me send a rezume for a real maintenans job at a metal shop. He asked how much I wanted and I sed 30$ per owr. He sed the guy hoo quit wuz getting 19$.

Maybe thats why he quit? Du?

If offered, I will not take the job. Its day shift and further than Peapod, so I'd be blowing at least 3 owrz a day getting there & back.

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http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:42 PM

I haven't made more than $11.72 an hour in the last 10 years, and the job before that was $8.25 an hour. I wouldn't turn down $19, but then again I wouldn't drive 1 1/2 hours one way either, so I'd turn that job down too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:06 PM

Reminds me of another job I had. Electrical installation - dull as dirt but paid well. The only problem was wasting my life away in traffic 3 hours a day. I went to work in the dark, worked in the dark, and by the time I got home it was dark. Quit after 8 months and went to work in a record store 15 minutes away. Way less money, way more happy.

Keep swinging, Jo - it's out there.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:28 PM

Yeah... I watched the old man drive 2 1/2 hours one way out of state for a good paying job for 15 years. He seemed alright with it and never minded driving all that much. Late in his time there though, he was hit by a truck driver that fell asleep and somehow survived without a scratch even though his car was destroyed beyond repair.

I watched my mom and step dad commute to Downtown Chicago in Chicago rush hour traffic every single day for a decade, and it made them absolutely miserable. They didn't care much for their jobs either, but they made a good buck combined. They did that until they started their own business and years later when we re-connected they were entirely different people.

It's the huge negative of having a house. Back when I was making great money, I found an apartment complex right near the industrial location the office building was located. My drive to work was just over a mile.

Comparatively, I was driving 25 minutes and 40 miles round trip with a car that leaked 1 1/2 quarts of oil every time I went to work at my last job that made 1/6th of what I used to take home with zero benefits outside of a company match on the 401k.

I'm just going to look for minimum wage crap that's right down the street for me this time until I can fix the house up and get out of here. I'm done wasting any time in my life driving to work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:32 AM

Tote maintainer 3rd shift iz a good job for me. I dont hav to uze my brain for anything and I get a good workout.

The pay will averaj out to around 15.50 and the drive iz about 20 minits each way. Then therez the 2,500$ hiring bonus!

Plus there are several invention opportunityz that coud earn me sum cash.

If you really are in Indiana, 6, you shoud see if Peapod iz hiring there.
I coud get 1,000 buks if you name me az a referens!

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JO753

Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:47 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:... The only problem was wasting my life away in traffic 3 hours a day...

I feel you man! If you hav any enerjy left after work,
the drive saps it away.

I had a machining job strate east 18 milez. Took 30 minits to get there at 6 am, but 90 minits to get home leaving around 3pm.

IL route 176 haz long sectionz where you cant pass, so between traffic lites set up to stop you at every wun uv them and fully loaded trucks that gather speed insted uv akselerate, the road wuz just a long seriez uv parking lots.

I tried a bunch uv sercuitus alternate routs, but they never saved more than 10 minits wile adding a bunch uv milez.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 7, 2019 9:06 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Tote maintainer 3rd shift iz a good job for me. I dont hav to uze my brain for anything and I get a good workout.

The pay will averaj out to around 15.50 and the drive iz about 20 minits each way. Then therez the 2,500$ hiring bonus!

Plus there are several invention opportunityz that coud earn me sum cash.

If you really are in Indiana, 6, you shoud see if Peapod iz hiring there.
I coud get 1,000 buks if you name me az a referens!

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http://www.7532020.com .

I might look into that.

Be EXTREMELY careful earning cash through them for any inventions though. Read the fine print.

I'd hate to see you give something away that is worth a ton of money for them down the road and they only give you a paltry check for your brains.... or even worse just your hourly wage you were already getting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:34 PM

Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

Hey JO, glad you posted!!! I was worried about you!

I know what you mean... hang in there. as the saying goes: Illegitimi non carborundum (Don't ket the bastards grind you down)

Stop by some more when you get a chance.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

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http://www.7532020.com .

Good to hear from you JO.

How's the situation at home? Have the stress levels outside of work at least gotten lower and make it worth doing?

If we were in person right now, I'd sound exactly like the kid from Stranger Things, because I haven't put my dentures in yet for the day. *toothless*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

Good to see you posting, Jo. Trump still sucks dog @ss btw.

Ugh - working for other people is the worst - especially for a smart person such as yourself.

There are some online options like:

https://www.takl.com

and

https://www.taskrabbit.com

I have not used any of them as either a provider or customer, so I can't totally recommend. At least you would be working for yourself for the most part in terms of choosing when and how much and what kind of work you do.

Search "online+self+employment" brings up plenty of options - bound to be something decent and worthy in there.

Peapod? I hate to give advice... but I once heard someone suggest...

... don't wait for them to contact you. Be bold and direct and plan your pitch ahead of time. Don't forget to smile, positivity breads positivity in return, yadda yadda, I'm sure you know the drill. Plus, "why not?" Sounds like you have motivation to not worry about the outcome.

JO753

Friday, January 31, 2020 5:11 AM

xanks for the poz attitude, guyz.

Thoze look interesting, CC, but I wundr how they get paid. I tried out HomeAdvizer last yir and its a borderline skam. The handyman haz to pay their fee to bid on a job wether they get it or not.

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http://www.7532020.com .

1KIKI

Friday, January 31, 2020 6:51 AM

How did I miss this thread entirely?! Hey JO - I'm glad you sound like you're doing OK !! ... ... (except for the job part, which sounds tedious in the extreme).

WISHIMAY

Friday, January 31, 2020 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Ugh - working for other people is the worst - especially for a smart person such as yourself.

My kiddo has a job working in a facility where other people are, but in a couple days when she's done with training she gets to not have a supervisor. As long as she's doing her job right, they leave her to it.

I think back, if I had had a job like that, right out of the gate...

Man, I had some awful managers...

1KIKI

Friday, January 31, 2020 11:05 AM

Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

Hey, WISHY, how about that conversation that Signy and I never had? Yanno, the one only you saw?

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

SIGNYM

Friday, January 31, 2020 11:45 AM

Hey JO, I posted this in your other thread but I think it belongs here.
I was under the impression you're a pattern-maker. Right?
Well, I saw these and thought of you. I was hoping you'd come back so I could post them to you.

I hope you find them interesting.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 31, 2020 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, January 31, 2020 7:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey JO, I posted this in your other thread but I think it belongs here.
I was under the impression you're a pattern-maker. Right?
Well, I saw these and thought of you. I was hoping you'd come back so I could post them to you.

"Here, Jo, have a sip of cool, refreshing Koooooolaid."

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, January 31, 2020 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

I think that might actually be most of us in here. I'd rather work hard and prove that leaving me alone was the best thing to do. Plus, makes the time go by faster. BUT it's still just one person's opinion.
Plus: that's really only half the story. It's not easy being a manager, especially if you don't want to be one. I never wanted to tell anyone else what to do, EVER. "Don't do stupid sh*t" would be my one and only instruction. Turns out it's more like baby sitting. You can't believe the stupid sh*t people get up to and lie about etc. You really need to see it from both sides to know it well.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 31, 2020 9:45 PM

I never wanted to be a manager, but I did work for one that was excellent and tried to be like him, and I learned a few things along the way on my own.

The work we did was highly complex, and technically and legally demanding. We were never sure WHAT would come thru the door, and we could never say "no".

But one of the tricks I learned when someone came thru the door with a sample wanting to know if there was anything "toxic" in it was to ask How much are you willing to spend on this analysis? Because SOME of the analyses, like for dioxins, was $30,000 per sample. Once I explained that it would be prohibitively costly to look for all 200+ "toxic" compounds (and that was just the EPA toxics list, the CA Prop 65 list was much, much longer) they usually were able to describe the industrial process tht would allow us to narrow down the list of concerns. (We did get a bottle once, of foul-smelling liquid that a homeowner found at their curb, and after doing a generic screening for ogranic toxics found ... besides water ... ethanol and a smelly compound found in pee, leading us to conclude that some drunk person had peed in a bottle and left it curbside.)

The other thing I learned was What will you do with this number once we give it to you?" Some numbers would be used for enforcement, but the three most dangerous words were "For information only". Long story, but those "informational" results often found their way into litigation, and because there was often no "stipulated" method for that request we had to do a method documentation and validation (eg "spike and recovery") on-the-spot because we would probably have to testify in court about its validity.

Another lesson I learned was: Never assign the same project to different people with the same level of authority. If two or more people were working on the same project, one was the project leader and one (or more) were subordinates, or they were working on different aspects (one was doing instrumentation while the other was doing the computer work, for example.) That avoided a lot of competition and confusion.

Which leads me to the sneaky way that I fostered cooperation: Everyone was teaching somebody something. Each person had a strength: One person was exceptionally good at wet chemistry, another person was really good at instrument repair, another person was dynamite at data acquisition, a fourth was excellent at dabasing etc.

I set up my group (sometimes as small as 6 people, or as large as 13) so that everyone worked in several pairs ... in one pair, they might be teaching instrument troubleshooting and in another pair they might be learning sampling equipmetn preparation. It was a complex matrix, but the goal was to have two "primary" operators for each technique (able to troubleshoot and modify), and at least one "secondary" operator (able to run without instruction) and one "tertiary" operator ... able to run with instruction.

Had a few other tricks up my sleeve, too, but the people who were insubordinate or nonproductive I did my best to get fired.

SIX, if you had been working for me you would have been training some people how to do your kind of work. OTOH someone would have been training you how to run a forklift and how to be a team leader, and if there was any computer work potentially up the line you would have been given an opportunity to learn that too.

There's always something to learn on ANY job.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 31, 2020 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

I think that might actually be most of us in here. I'd rather work hard and prove that leaving me alone was the best thing to do. Plus, makes the time go by faster. BUT it's still just one person's opinion.
Plus: that's really only half the story. It's not easy being a manager, especially if you don't want to be one. I never wanted to tell anyone else what to do, EVER. "Don't do stupid sh*t" would be my one and only instruction. Turns out it's more like baby sitting. You can't believe the stupid sh*t people get up to and lie about etc. You really need to see it from both sides to know it well.

Yeah. That is why I say I've gotten better at it now. I didn't have any empathy in my 20s. At my old job, I was told by "Number 2" that I could keep getting the schedule I wanted as long as I cleared it with the new manager (In about 1 1/2 years, 4 people had that position... it was a thankless job).

The last two, I just let them know what I brought to the table and why the previous managers gave me what I wanted. I let them know that the amount of work I was going to do was what 2.5 to 3 people would need to do otherwise, and the quality of the work spoke for itself. "Just let me continue to do my thing and I'll make you look good."

I don't know for sure if the conversation itself worked, or the first week they worked with me it really sunk in. But they definitely knew what I was talking about when I wasn't there, and after my 2nd week back they stayed out of my way.

But the rub of needing to find a new job is that I know I'm just going to have to swallow some shit for a few months because you can't just go in there making demands without already having proven yourself or they'll tell you to fuck right off.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 31, 2020 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SIX, if you had been working for me you would have been training some people how to do your kind of work. OTOH someone would have been training you how to run a forklift and how to be a team leader, and if there was any computer work potentially up the line you would have been given an opportunity to learn that too.

There's always something to learn on ANY job.

There's no ROI in that, at least at the old job. Forklift drivers didn't make one cent more than anybody else. Getting "promoted" to full time didn't even give you a nickle more per hour either, and even though they asked me 3 times to work full time, I denied the request. I'm not going to make a job my life for $11.50 an hour.

The amount of responsibility put on a Team Lead there was insane too... at least for overnights. They were essentially a manager, but getting paid $14.50 per hour for all the extra duties, and once again, making that job their entire life. You can't even have a life on weekends when you only get two days off and you work the night shift. And Team Leads didn't even get weekends off anyhow because they had to play manager when the manager got his or her weekends off.

I'm not saying that I'll never take on responsibility in the future or that I won't work full time. But I'll be damned if I ever do it in a retail scenario where the money is not worth it and they let you know every day that you're easily replaceable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, January 31, 2020 10:20 PM

The benefit of learning on your job is that you have more opportunities for your next job. More positions are open to you ... like, if you could drive a forklift you could apply at lumberyards and some of the big box home improvement stores and cement plants where driving a forklift is a requirement ...and you have a proven record of being able to adapt. Which means that you can apply for jobs for which you have NO experience by saying ... I learned this and this and that, and I can learn here, too.

Plus, I don't know about you but there's more than pay to a job. I LOVE to learn. The best job I ever had was working in the field, I got an inside look at just about every major industry in the area but the pay ... sucked. Still, I look back on that as one of the high points of my work history.

One of the reasons why people liked to work in my group is that alhto most people worked independently, we also had a team. If you ran into a problem with your instrument that you couldn't fix, there was always the guy/gal who had the intuition and experience, or if your sample just wasn't prepping properly or the database was choking there was the guy/gal who could step in and help.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 31, 2020 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The benefit of learning on your job is that you have more opportunities for your next job. More positions are open to you, and you have a proven record of being able to adapt. Plus, I don't know about you but there's more than pay to a job. I LOVE to learn. The best job I ever had was working in the field, I got an inside look at just about every major industry in the area but the pay ... sucked. Still, I look back on that as one of the high points of my work history.

One of the reasons why people liked to work in my group is that alhto most people worked independently, we also had a team. If you ran into a problem with your instrument that you couldn't fix, there was always the guy/gal who had the intuition and experience, or if your sample just wasn't prepping properly or the database was choking there was the guy/gal who could step in and help.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

There's nothing exciting about retail, and nothing that I'd ever care to learn.

You're either a peon that is easily replaceable that makes peanuts, you're middle management who gets fucked from both ends by employees who don't care at all about the job because they make peanuts and have zero benefits and store/corporate managers who don't give a shit about anything other than keeping their jobs and getting their bonuses, while six-sigmaing the entire thing until all humanity is stripped away completely and the meat-sacks are nothing but mere cogs in the machine. Nameless, faceless numbers.

I'm only doing that because it's the only type of job I can get at this stage of my life, and I only want to do the absolute bare minimum necessary to pay my bills and cover my rehab work expenses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, January 31, 2020 11:53 PM

Just getting back to WISHI for a bit - I've had fantastic managers, but then I've also had really shitty ones, and the vast majority in between. But if all you've had are shitty managers, it's probably not them.

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 1, 2020 12:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

Since you're approaching a manager ... and they're always thinking bottom line ... have you been able to frame your request for a meeting like I see a technical solution that could increase production at this point by X% or I see technical solution that could decrease errors at this point by x% or I see a technical solution that will save you X mount of money?

Also, a manager will not want to admit there's a problem that they didn't fix, and/or will always want to take credit for improvement. So decide what you want from this: A promotion? A one-time payment? An entre into solving other production problems at the facility? Whatever it is, your manager has to be OK with it too. Win/win.

Take a production manager's POV: What is the rate-limiting step of the final output? If you're improving output at one step only to increase the backlog at the next step, is that really useful? If you're solving one problem but potentially creating another, do you have a solution for that too?

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Thoze look interesting, CC, but I wundr how they get paid. I tried out HomeAdvizer last yir and its a borderline skam. The handyman haz to pay their fee to bid on a job wether they get it or not.

Yeah, I went thru HomeAdvisor a couple of years ago, and the contractor that I went with told me the same thing. The problem is, HomeAdvisor flooded me with at least a dozen referrals, which means that each contractor only had an 8% chance of getting hired.

I don't know about takl and taskrabbit, tho. Maybe they work differently. I'd sure hope so!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 1, 2020 1:25 AM

TaskRabbit takes 15% of your pay, like most agencies (altho some take 20%)
https://support.taskrabbit.com/hc/en-us/articles/204411610-What-s-the-
TaskRabbit-Service-Fee-

Takl takes 39%
https://uberpeople.net/threads/new-service-doing-household-tasks-takl-
launches-july-18-2016.90789/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 1, 2020 2:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TaskRabbit takes 15% of your pay, like most agencies (altho some take 20%)
https://support.taskrabbit.com/hc/en-us/articles/204411610-What-s-the-
TaskRabbit-Service-Fee-

Takl takes 39%
https://uberpeople.net/threads/new-service-doing-household-tasks-takl-
launches-july-18-2016.90789/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

RIPOFF.

I'm sure they don't take any of your tax burden though. Probably leave you with a 1099 instead of giving you a W-2 as well so you can foot the whole Self Employment tax bill too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, February 1, 2020 2:03 AM

The 'gig' economy in a nutshell.

JO753

Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:00 PM

Soundz like it payz to get a real ejyoocation in more wayz than just better pay, Sig. Way more interesting than the drone work us chumps usually get.

Yesterday they had a big all employee manditory meeting with the prez uv Peapod from the parent company, Ahold. She regretted to tell the 300 peepl gathered in the warehouse reseeving area that they are clozing down the midwest operation.

https://www.dailyherald.com/business/20200211/peapod-service-to-end-in
-illinois-lake-zurich-palatine-facilities-to-close

Desent uv them to hav her tell us in person, and they are being jenerous with severens pay & benefits.

This explainz wy I got no reply.

They hav too much competition from the fly by nite grosery dilivery outfits below them, the rejonal supermarket chainz beggining to offer dilivery, and Walmart, Amazon and Target going big time with it above them.

The only reazon they hav for staying in biz on the coasts iz kuz they hav partnerships with grosery store chainz there.

I dont see that holding up for long.

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Glad its over. My joints were taking a beating. But I wuz sad to see all thoze loyal employeez getting their livez disrupted. Sum were crying.

I think its possible I coud hav saved the joint if I'd gotten there a few yirz ago in a prfessional capasity to improve the efficiensy. The flawz that are obvious to me are invizable to them. They were throwing money away in several wayz, sum that were very eazy to fix just with a different attitude.

A fundamental mistake by the main guy wuz to promote peepl to supervizory pozitionz based mainly on seniority and hard work, rather than real abilty to see and fix problemz. So, wipping the workerz to work harder wuz the sole remedy for everything. At least 25% uv the work we did wuz compensate for flawz in the conveyor system!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:40 PM

Sorry to hear that JO. Glad you're taking it well.

Take a break from the work for a while if you can afford it on the unemployment and severance. Otherwise, good luck finding the next job. Hopefully it won't be intolerable to you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 13, 2020 5:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Soundz like it payz to get a real ejyoocation in more wayz than just better pay, Sig. Way more interesting than the drone work us chumps usually get.

Yesterday they had a big all employee manditory meeting with the prez uv Peapod from the parent company, Ahold. She regretted to tell the 300 peepl gathered in the warehouse reseeving area that they are clozing down the midwest operation.

https://www.dailyherald.com/business/20200211/peapod-service-to-end-in
-illinois-lake-zurich-palatine-facilities-to-close

Desent uv them to hav her tell us in person, and they are being jenerous with severens pay & benefits.

This explainz wy I got no reply.

They hav too much competition from the fly by nite grosery dilivery outfits below them, the rejonal supermarket chainz beggining to offer dilivery, and Walmart, Amazon and Target going big time with it above them.

The only reazon they hav for staying in biz on the coasts iz kuz they hav partnerships with grosery store chainz there.

I dont see that holding up for long.

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Glad its over. My joints were taking a beating. But I wuz sad to see all thoze loyal employeez getting their livez disrupted. Sum were crying.

I think its possible I coud hav saved the joint if I'd gotten there a few yirz ago in a prfessional capasity to improve the efficiensy. The flawz that are obvious to me are invizable to them. They were throwing money away in several wayz, sum that were very eazy to fix just with a different attitude.

A fundamental mistake by the main guy wuz to promote peepl to supervizory pozitionz based mainly on seniority and hard work, rather than real abilty to see and fix problemz. So, wipping the workerz to work harder wuz the sole remedy for everything. At least 25% uv the work we did wuz compensate for flawz in the conveyor system!

JO, real shame to hear of the closing.

But I think it's still worth a letter to the company, even better that you don't have to work thru a manager. Probably send a copy to the President, COO, and CFO describing the problem, the solution, and the impact (25% increased output or 25% reduced labor.) They may want to apply that to their coastal operations and have you implement them

BTW I would probably do a little intro... "I worked at your xxx facility, and my background in pattern making and industrial mechanics allowed me to identify problems in the following areas... by modifying the mechanics I estimate a 25% increase in throughput" or something like that. You may still not get a reply but at least you'd not be in any worse shape than you are now.

AFA the way they promote people... It's often the case that people get promoted above their capability, it's called the Peter Principle. The skills that make a good worker aren't the same skills that make a good team leader, supervisor, or manager. When I interviewed people and recommended for hire or promotion I looked for people who had a history of problem-solving.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

1KIKI

Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:06 AM

DANG JO!!! That sux!

I think you already got good advice, so let me just say I feel for you!

JO753

Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:26 AM

xanks for the condolensez, everybody, but like I sed, I'm glad its over. I woud hav had to kwit soon anyway to avoid arthritis. This way I can at least get unemployment.

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http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
xanks for the condolensez, everybody, but like I sed, I'm glad its over. I woud hav had to kwit soon anyway to avoid arthritis. This way I can at least get unemployment.

Yeah dude. It's probably for the best since you didn't like the job. I've stuck around longer at jobs than I should have before instead of looking for something more tolerable.

Just make sure you keep busy with your time off. It's too easy to sit around and do nothing and you're just going to feel bad about yourself if you do that. Ask me how I know.

Anyways... I'm in the same boat as you bro. Nothing out there is going to be anything close to what I'm capable of doing, and I'm going to be bored of it after 3 days and resent working for some dumb shitstain that is just as likely to be younger than I am as older these days.

The trick is to make the job work for you when you find another one. I did it at my last job and probably could have worked there until I died if they didn't lay me off, even though it didn't pay much. We're probably never going to find anything that really utilizes our skills and challenges us, but the beauty part about working at the bottom is there's a lot of jobs to choose from and you can just bounce from one to the other until you find something that is tolerable. I figure I'll probably work another 15 jobs before I'm collecting social security.

Good luck, and enjoy your time off.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Friday, February 14, 2020 9:02 PM

I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

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http://www.7532020.com .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, February 14, 2020 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

Great idea. You have/had something of an "in" at you last job - see if they'll let you take a meeting and make a pitch. Do it on Spec unless you have any experience. It's an unfortunate egg before the chicken thing if you have no experience or recommendations for previous work of the same kind, so doing the first one for free is one way to add to your resume. Just ask Paul Manafort! Seriously, it's been known to work. What's the worst thing that can happen?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

One thing that I always said at my last job is that they should require everybody in the company who is not a peon to do peon work for two weeks every year. Also, in the case of places that have night shifts, day time management should have to work two weeks overnight, and any nightshift managers should have to work day shifts for two weeks as well.

I've worked enough places in enough sectors now to know that one of the biggest problems isn't just the lack of communication (which is a symptom of the real problem), but that nobody is forced to ever be put in a situation of walking in everybody else's shoes and that leads to the decision makers basing all of their feelings on assumptions rather than reality. It leads to decision makers having absolutely no concept of how much time and labor various things require as well, which is terrible for somebody in middle to upper-management who is in charge of delegating responsibilities, staying within budget, and completing objectives by the deadline. But most importantly, I think, it all fosters an "Us Vs. Them" scenario each and every time with both peons and management blaming the other "teams" for constantly falling short of objectives.

I've had some managers who were much better than others, but I've never had a "general". I suppose if you were good enough to actually manage a store and do a great job at it, especially in a down economy, then you most likely have a much better job than a store manager.

(Or, JO, you're like us... Feeding from the bottom although we're much more competent than any person we've ever worked for).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 15, 2020 12:49 PM

Quote:
JO: I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

CC: Great idea. You have/had something of an "in" at you last job - see if they'll let you take a meeting and make a pitch. Do it on Spec unless you have any experience. It's an unfortunate egg before the chicken thing if you have no experience or recommendations for previous work of the same kind, so doing the first one for free is one way to add to your resume.

Look at your situtation from across the "hiring" table: How do you distinguish yourself from a nutbag who thinks he has The Next Great Idea? How would you convince the hiring manager that you have something real to offer?

Absent a degree in Mechanical Engineering, what kind of credentials and relevant experience do you have to offer? Do you have at least one example of how you made a process more efficient? In your previous work at Peapod, you had something SPECIFIC to offer because you saw the problem up close. What would be your pitch to prospective companies? "Hire me because I might develop some great solutions to improve your efficiency"? I don't think they'd be beating a path to your door, which is why I think you should re-approach your previous employer. They may have the same or similar processes elsewhere. They MIGHT want to hear you out on what was going on at your facility, but this is where you need to be pretty specific in your intitial presentation. It should look like an informal bid on a contract.

You would need to lay out the problem(s). No need to describe in great mechanical detail other than a general description (alignment, speed, whatever)

Estimate the problem that it caused: 25% re-work?

Describe the estimated benefits: 25% less labor?

HOW MUCH MONEY AND TIME WILL FIXING THE PROBLEM REQUIRE? Shutting down a production line is immensely expensive - the efficiency gained has to make up for the cost of reconfiguring. When do you expect to see a payback? In a week? A month? A year? (Don't forget travel expenses if you need to do out of town, tools and materials you will need.)

Make sure that your proposal summary looks like something from the industry. Go online and see if you can find example RFQs and proposals on which to model your pitch. Managers have a flaw: They're only looking for what they expect to see. If they see something that doesn't fit with their expectations they will likely not take the time to unscramble it. It takes a VERY competent person to know when they're dealing with a very competent person who doesn't fit into the mold, and you're not likely dealing with very competent people.

If they think your ideas are worthwhile then they may ask you to look at another facility and implement them there. THEN you'll have actual experience on your resume.

*****

Be on the lookout for similar opportunities at other jobs. For example, you might wind up being a credible fixit guy and become a mechanic. But as usual you will need to do this advanced work for no additional pay; it's part of the process of working your way up.

http://blog.flexlink.com/6-things-to-consider-when-investing-in-a-conv
eyor-system/

https://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2014/calculating-the-cost-of-c
onveyor-systems/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

JO753

Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:31 AM

Interesting stuff.

The conveyor system at Peapod wuz old and not well dezined to begin with.

Yesterday wuz the last day, but we will continue to get payed for another 2 months kuz there were more than 500 employeez. The WARN act.

I'll take a vacation befor looking for another job. Also update my job application for Prez.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:40 AM

Too bad it's in the middle of February out here in Everything is Dead for Four Months Out of the Year Land.

Hopefully you can make the most of your down time man. I did pretty good with it myself and have little regrets. Always nice to get a free vacation. Even better though when you get a lot of stuff done that you've been meaning to do but somehow never found the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Interesting stuff.

The conveyor system at Peapod wuz old and not well dezined to begin with.

Yesterday wuz the last day, but we will continue to get payed for another 2 months kuz there were more than 500 employeez. The WARN act.

I'll take a vacation befor looking for another job. Also update my job application for Prez.

that's a big outfit and a lot of jobs lost. I looked it up online... Were you in the Lake Zurich location?

Chicago Tribune says based in Chicago, 50,000 Midwest customers. Seems

like they lost a big part of their business, and like they should have upgraded their facilities a long time ago!

But two months pay is a pretty sweet deal. Unemployment after that?

Put that time to good use, JO. You can work on being President later.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:56 AM

I don't believe there is any limitations on unemployment in Illinois with regards to severance. JO should probably be able to collect unemployment immediately even though he gets a severance. At least that is how it was years ago.

In Indiana, you don't get to have them both at the same time. Unemployment benefits don't begin until the severance stops (if it's paid out over time), or if it's a lump sum it doesn't begin until it would have run out if it was paid out over time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:23 PM

Yes, Lake Zurich.

I think unemployment benefits are based partly on need, so applying rite away iznt a good idea. I woud get much less due to the continuing income, and wen that runz out, hav to do more paperwork to increase the unemployment payments. Plus therez a set amount uv weeks they pay, so I woud be uzing them up for less money.

Hopefully I can get more biz here insted and not hav to bother with it at all.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

JO753

Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:29 PM

I spoke with the hed hincho last nite at the clozing party.

Seemz my improvement ideaz never had a chans. He had to send the letter to the Peapod Development Lab kuz it involved a potential contract.

Very unlikely that they woud be open to hearing from sumwun hoo sez he can do their job better than they can.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I spoke with the hed hincho last nite at the clozing party.

Seemz my improvement ideaz never had a chans. He had to send the letter to the Peapod Development Lab kuz it involved a potential contract.

Very unlikely that they woud be open to hearing from sumwun hoo sez he can do their job better than they can.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Nice - there really is something to be said for trying.
So now, 2 words: Road Trip. Go live - travel is a great teacher and inspiration and a lot more fun than “making good use of your time.”

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Yes, Lake Zurich.

I think unemployment benefits are based partly on need, so applying rite away iznt a good idea. I woud get much less due to the continuing income, and wen that runz out, hav to do more paperwork to increase the unemployment payments. Plus therez a set amount uv weeks they pay, so I woud be uzing them up for less money.

Hopefully I can get more biz here insted and not hav to bother with it at all.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

I'd do a little research on that. It doesn't sound right to me.

When you apply, you should have a fixed "Benefit Amount" that is based off of an average of how much money you made in 5 of the last 6 quarters, not including the most recent one.

If the amount of money you got from the severance reduces your weekly payment for a fixed amount of time in those first few weeks/months, then the remaining amount that wasn't paid out in those first few weeks/months should still be in your fixed BA and be available to you after the 26 normal weeks are up if you're still not employed by then. The more your weekly payments were reduced, the more money will be in your RBA (Remaining Benefit Amount) when the 26 weeks are up.

Don't skip filing for unemployment, JO. It usually takes a week or two "grace period" to start them after you file. There's no shame in filing for it. Part of your compensation is the unemployment insurance your company had to pay for each employee. They fucked you over here.

Besides, if you don't file for unemployment, you're not being counted as unemployed and making Trump look better.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Friday, February 21, 2020 1:59 AM

Road trip soundz like a kool idea. Steal a car & go to Las Vegas!

That all soundz familiar, 6. I took unemployment several timez in the 90z and early 00z. I'll read the IL unemployment rulez next week.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Road trip soundz like a kool idea. Steal a car & go to Las Vegas!

That all soundz familiar, 6. I took unemployment several timez in the 90z and early 00z. I'll read the IL unemployment rulez next week.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Yeah... definitely do man. Good to hear that you will.

Never leave money on the table. Hopefully you get another job relatively easily or make your own business grow, but in the mean time this is money that is owed to you. I know the paperwork and dealing with the people is a chore, but compared to the work you did at your job it's probably much easier money and can help ease your transition to whatever you're doing next.

If you haven't done it since the late 90's/early 2000's its much easier these days. Once approved, all you'll need to do is file online and answer about 12 questions once every week to get the check. You probably won't even have to worry about a "paper check" anymore either. Depending on how Illinois handles it, you may be given a debit card with a VISA logo, or have the option for direct deposit (or both). Just be sure that if you only can get the debit card that you read the documentation about which ATMs you can use and how many transactions are free in a month. The penalty fees on these cards can be quite punishing if you're careless about it.

In Indiana they make you jump through quite a few hoops and turn in your work search results every week as well as make you go to mandatory meetings that can last up to 6 hours. The guy who ran a few of those meetings says that he just moved out here from Illinois for that job and back in Illinois you don't have to do any of that. They'll tell you to keep a work search (and I recommend you do just in case), but he said that they never check that in Illinois. The two times I filed in Illinois they never asked me for it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:53 PM

Fed Ex kang goes Full Wakanda against Whitey Krakkas ?

https://twitter.com/ribleblockmedia/status/1589701376317210624

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Steal a car & go to Las Vegas!

If you stole a car well then maybe I hope the Cops shot you dead or you went to Vegas and overdosed on AIDs and Drugs and that's why you no longer reply

all in a joking minescraft virtual kinda way of course

maybe I lower myself and should make an AI rapper shithop song about the whole thing

;)