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Quote:Didn't you want the system disrupted? Where the rich guys are worried about their future? Or do you want to keep the same old status quo that Trump is guaranteeing? Trump promised, I don't know what you think he promised, but did he deliver? If you say that he will deliver in his next 4 to 8 to 12 years, you are gonna be screwed by him. But that's okay with me, that you are being screwed, because the status quo exalts the power and fortune of people who are already too powerful and fortunate. You know? I am a hypocrite for not voting Trump and Pence 2020. This I suddenly realized. I will vote only for Republicans from here on.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
No. The point is that the left has moved FAR left while the right has barely moved since the 80's.
The further left they move the more they will lose.
He can take his Code Red and shove it up his ass.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The fate of the world depends on the Democratic Party getting its shit together and winning the Senate in November. – James Carville
James Carville, longtime Democratic strategist:
“Eighteen percent of the population controls 52 Senate seats,” James Carville said. “We’ve got to be a majoritarian party. The urban core is not gonna get it done. What we need is power! Do you understand? That’s what this is about.”
In 2018, Democrats recruited really strong candidates, really qualified candidates. And the party said, “This is what we’re going to talk about and we’re going to keep talking about it.” And you know what happened? We fucking won. We didn’t get distracted, we didn’t get deflected.
But today we have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They’re talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You’ve got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn’t matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments — talking about that is not how you win the Senate. It’s not how you become a majoritarian party.
For fuck’s sake, we’ve got Trump at Davos talking about cutting Medicare and no one in the party has the sense to plaster a picture of him up there sucking up to the global elites, talking about cutting taxes for them while he’s talking about cutting Medicare back home. Jesus, this is so obvious and so easy and I don’t see any of the candidates taking advantage of it.
The Republicans have destroyed their party and turned it into a personality cult, but if anyone thinks they can’t win, they’re out of their damn minds.
Look, Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat. He’s never been a Democrat. He’s an ideologue. And I’ve been clear about this: If Bernie is the nominee, I’ll vote for him. No question. I’ll take an ideological fanatic over a career criminal any day. But he’s not a Democrat.
Sean Illing
You know people are going to read this and say, “Carville backed Clinton in 2016. So did the Democratic establishment. They blew it in 2016. Why should I care what any of them think now?”
James Carville
People will say anything. And first of all, Clinton won the popular vote by almost three million. And secondly, the Russians put Jill Stein in front of Clinton’s campaign to depress votes. And thirdly, the New York Times a week before an election, assured its readers that the Russians were not even trying to help Trump. And then they wrote 15,000 stories about Hillary’s emails.
But back to Sanders — what I’m saying is the Democratic Party isn’t Bernie Sanders, whatever you think about Sanders.
Sean Illing
Are we really sure Sanders can’t win?
James Carville
Who the hell knows? But here’s what I do know: Sanders might get 280 electoral votes and win the presidency and maybe we keep the House. But there’s no chance in hell we’ll ever win the Senate with Sanders at the top of the party defining it for the public. Eighteen percent of the country elects more than half of our senators. That’s the deal, fair or not.
So long as McConnell runs the Senate, it’s game over. There’s no chance we’ll change the courts and nothing will happen, and Bernie will just be sitting up there screaming in the microphone about the revolution.
Sean Illing
What’s the answer?
James Carville
By framing, repeating, and delivering a coherent, meaningful message that is relevant to people’s lives and having the political skill not to be sucked into every rabbit hole that somebody puts in front of you.
The Democratic Party is becoming a party of educated suburbanites, particularly women. It’s the party of Latinos. We’re a party of immigrants. Most of the people aren’t into all this distracting shit about open borders and letting prisoners vote. They don’t care. They have lives to lead. They have kids. They have parents that are sick. That’s what we have to talk about. That’s all we should talk about.
It’s not that this other stuff doesn’t matter. And it’s not that we shouldn’t t
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Didn't you want the system disrupted? Where the rich guys are worried about their future? Or do you want to keep the same old status quo that Trump is guaranteeing? Trump promised, I don't know what you think he promised, but did he deliver? If you say that he will deliver in his next 4 to 8 to 12 years, you are gonna be screwed by him. But that's okay with me, that you are being screwed, because the status quo exalts the power and fortune of people who are already too powerful and fortunate. You know? I am a hypocrite for not voting Trump and Pence 2020. This I suddenly realized. I will vote only for Republicans from here on.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
No. The point is that the left has moved FAR left while the right has barely moved since the 80's.
The further left they move the more they will lose.
He can take his Code Red and shove it up his ass.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
The system already has been disrupted. If it hadn't been, then people like you certainly wouldn't be complaining as much and as hard as you are.
I'd love it if there was more disruption. We've had a record number of people who have quit, been fired and/or been disgraced in only three years. Hopefully now that the impeachment sham is over they get the ball rolling and a lot more are to come.
As for Democrats, I want nothing to do with their brand of revolution. They don't even bother trying to lie about the fact that everything they want is directly against the best interests of me and people I care about. Anybody who takes a benign word like Nationalism and tries to turn it into a bad word needs to GTFO and go find some third world shithole to turn into their Socialist Utopia. It ain't happening here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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American Factory – best movie ever on globalization and the future of work
At the Academy Awards tomorrow, the movie American Factory is heavily favored to win the Best Documentary Feature category. It is a remarkable film and would be a deserving winner. American Factory also just might be the most thoughtful movie ever made on how globalization may impact the future of work.
The movie, which was produced by Barack and Michelle Obama’s production company Higher Ground, is now available on Netflix.
The movie documents the opening of a Fuyao Glass factory in the small city of Moraine, Ohio and takes place from 2015 to 2017. Fuyao Glass is a Chinese company worth nearly $60 billion that supplies glass to major automobile manufacturers like Ford and General Motors. The factory in Moraine, which is still operating, was Fuyao’s first venture into the US. The plant employs over 2,000 people.
The film-makers said: This factory has good benefits but the pay is not great. It starts very low. They fought the union very hard.
The role of union-avoidance companies was a real surprise and awakening for us. Fuyao hired a consultant team whose specialty is convincing the workforce that it would be bad for them to have a union. They had a huge impact, we believe, on the union election. There is a well-established playbook and messaging. In the film, they told the workers, “Keep your voice, vote no against the union.” It’s sort of Orwellian in how the language is used to dissuade people from organizing together.
The Chinese management were really frustrated with the Americans because they didn’t work fast enough. They didn’t do what they were supposed to do right away.
More at https://qz.com/1797007/
American Factory, Documentary
In post-industrial Ohio, a Chinese billionaire opens a new factory in the husk of an abandoned General Motors plant, hiring two thousand blue-collar Americans. Early days of hope and optimism give way to setbacks as high-tech China clashes with working-class America.
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Then search for: American Factory
The Founder of the company in a direct quote from the movie subtitles: “American workers are not efficient, and output is low. I can't manage them. When we try to manage them, they threaten to get help from the union. How can we make Americans understand that the Chinese can open factories in America? This is a big problem.”
I presume the Founder meant that he could open a factory in America with 90% Chinese employees rather than 10% Chinese employees and his factory would run much smoother. Comparing what I saw in the movie of different employees working, I can believe he is right about the Asians. But maybe only the best Chinese workers get a chance to come to America to get the same wages as Americans.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:You never did understand that Trump cancelled nuclear treaties. Never understood that military spending is ever increasing. Never understood that the National Deficit is rising like a mushroom cloud, despite the country not being in a recession.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The system already has been disrupted. If it hadn't been, then people like you certainly wouldn't be complaining as much and as hard as you are.
Some incalculable mix of shrewdness and sheer luck has kept a nuclear holocaust at bay. Who knows how many wars we can dodge before an alignment of slow-wittedness and misfortune tips the balance the other way.
www.justsecurity.org/67666/trumps-aim-to-go-big-on-nuclear-arms-contro
l-should-begin-by-extending-new-start/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Not in the day of the Wuhan coronavirus!
Originally posted by second:
American Factory – best movie ever on globalization and the future of work
At the Academy Awards tomorrow, the movie American Factory is heavily favored to win the Best Documentary Feature category. It is a remarkable film and would be a deserving winner. American Factory also just might be the most thoughtful movie ever made on how globalization may impact the future of work.
The movie, which was produced by Barack and Michelle Obama’s production company Higher Ground, is now available on Netflix.
The movie documents the opening of a Fuyao Glass factory in the small city of Moraine, Ohio and takes place from 2015 to 2017. Fuyao Glass is a Chinese company worth nearly $60 billion that supplies glass to major automobile manufacturers like Ford and General Motors. The factory in Moraine, which is still operating, was Fuyao’s first venture into the US. The plant employs over 2,000 people.
The film-makers said: This factory has good benefits but the pay is not great. It starts very low. They fought the union very hard.
The role of union-avoidance companies was a real surprise and awakening for us. Fuyao hired a consultant team whose specialty is convincing the workforce that it would be bad for them to have a union. They had a huge impact, we believe, on the union election. There is a well-established playbook and messaging. In the film, they told the workers, “Keep your voice, vote no against the union.” It’s sort of Orwellian in how the language is used to dissuade people from organizing together.
The Chinese management were really frustrated with the Americans because they didn’t work fast enough. They didn’t do what they were supposed to do right away.
More at https://qz.com/1797007/
American Factory, Documentary
In post-industrial Ohio, a Chinese billionaire opens a new factory in the husk of an abandoned General Motors plant, hiring two thousand blue-collar Americans. Early days of hope and optimism give way to setbacks as high-tech China clashes with working-class America.
Bittorrent at https://1337x.unblockit.bid
Then search for: American Factory
The Founder of the company in a direct quote from the movie subtitles: “American workers are not efficient, and output is low. I can't manage them. When we try to manage them, they threaten to get help from the union. How can we make Americans understand that the Chinese can open factories in America? This is a big problem.”
I presume the Founder meant that he could open a factory in America with 90% Chinese employees
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rather than 10% Chinese employees and his factory would run much smoother. Comparing what I saw in the movie of different employees working, I can believe he is right about the Asians. But maybe only the best Chinese workers get a chance to come to America to get the same wages as Americans.
This is the false paradigm constantly presented to American workers: You have to compete against low-wage workers elsewhere, or against automation, or you die. Shame on the Obamas for supporting that message. (I always knew they were transnational stoolies.)
IF you have a self-sufficient economy then you can have a closed-loop production/ consumption cycle largely independent of what's going on in the rest of the world. That's how America operated forthe first 200 years of its existence. I thought TPTB Big Brains were supposed to be thinking about Big Ideas; but instead they use their mental gymnastics to justify Big Profits, Big Banks, and Big Companies.
So, hey SECOND: What are Americans' interests?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You never did understand that Trump cancelled nuclear treaties. Never understood that military spending is ever increasing. Never understood that the National Deficit is rising like a mushroom cloud, despite the country not being in a recession.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The system already has been disrupted. If it hadn't been, then people like you certainly wouldn't be complaining as much and as hard as you are.
Some incalculable mix of shrewdness and sheer luck has kept a nuclear holocaust at bay. Who knows how many wars we can dodge before an alignment of slow-wittedness and misfortune tips the balance the other way.
www.justsecurity.org/67666/trumps-aim-to-go-big-on-nuclear-arms-contro
l-should-begin-by-extending-new-start/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
BUT! BUT! IF YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP AGAIN WE COULD HAVE NUCLEAR WAR!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The false paradigm is that factories are built to create more jobs rather than more automobile windows like the movie’s Fuyao Glass factory in Moraine, Ohio. If the goal was more jobs, the Federal government would be insisting on higher hourly wage rates and paying all factories to remove automation and do more and more work by hand. If you saw the movie, the factory was adding robots so that workers could be laid off.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not in the day of the Wuhan coronavirus!
This is the false paradigm constantly presented to American workers: You have to compete against low-wage workers elsewhere, or against automation, or you die. Shame on the Obamas for supporting that message. (I always knew they were transnational stoolies.)
IF you have a self-sufficient economy then you can have a closed-loop production/ consumption cycle largely independent of what's going on in the rest of the world. That's how America operated forthe first 200 years of its existence. I thought TPTB Big Brains were supposed to be thinking about Big Ideas; but instead they use their mental gymnastics to justify Big Profits, Big Banks, and Big Companies.
Also, it was funny to the Chinese workers that the American workers needed training and then more retraining because they “forget”, while the Chinese did not. I don't know what’s going on in the American worker’s brain, but stupidity, laziness, featherbedding, clumsiness, boredom, and indifference to quality are some possibilities.
By the way, a Chinese worker living in America can only catch Wuhan coronavirus from Americans since the Chinese workers aren’t flying back to China every four weeks for a vacation. They are here to stay until their contract is over or visa expires, whichever comes first.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Chinese worker, even the highly skilled ones, get the same work done for nickles on the dollar that the American worker makes. And that's not even including benefits packages and insurance premiums.
Most of that "training" you speak of isn't about how to do their job. It's government mandated safety training and re-certification that is required to maintain employment. This has even bled down to the lowly retail sector where retail proles are required to re-certify on all of the safety issues on a yearly basis for every part of the store. Even things that do not pertain in the slightest bit to their job description, such as proper food storage and cooking temperatures for deli and bakery staff to a shelf stocker.
Thank Bill Clinton for all of this, Second. Never in a million years could America compete with Chinese low wages. Even if these factory workers made minimum wage, they're still getting paid more than Chinese workers.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You were posting about the possibility of replacing the American workers with Chinese workers now, not the current 10% of factory staff who have been here for a while. I doubt very much that those potential replacements could get work visas for the USA.
China is not (IMHO) a "communist" nation, it is a quasi-fascist nation.
Now, a lot of people throw the term around very very loosely to mean "anyone I don't like" but FASCISM is an ECONOMIC system, not a political ideology, and what it means is that the government has melded with business to serve business interests. (Sounds a bit like the USA, right?)
The interests of the Chinese government is to out-compete production anywhere in the world. In its march towards industrialization, China was not above using prison/slave labor, and not above using labor in factory-dorms (with suicide netting to catch those who try to jump from their miserable existence) and cheap migrant labor (where people leave their home provinces thru which they receive government benefits like medical and education) and flock to the manufacturing hubs. (BTW, that is a significant problem in quelling the Wuhan virus.)
China HAS to do this because they don't have enough resources to be self-sufficient ... like Japan, China's biggest resource is its people.
Do we WANT to follow that paradigm?
BTW: what are Americans' interests?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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