Herc's Speculation about Giles in 4.10 -- Can it be true?
POSTED BY: Poster Nutbag
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 03:57
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stopcallingmeShirley wrote:
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Wood: Here I'm lost. I have no frickin' clue. Evil, or thinks Buffy's evil? I don't think he's out to help her, though it's possible they're on the same side.
Several spoiler sources throughout the web have stated the following about Wood (of course, take them all with grains of salt):
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1) his mother was Nikki, the Slayer Spike had killed (his 2nd), on the subway in mid-70's New York (shown in flashbacks a few seasons ago). Remember that the leather duster that Spike wears, he stole from that dead slayer.
2) the First Evil has been appearing to Wood in the form of Nikki ('mom - is that you?') and will tell him that Spike killed her.
3)Buffy & Wood will go on a date!
Tension much?
El Señor Poster Nutbag
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About the wood spoilers...
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Everyone has been talking on the spoiler sites about how it doesn't make any sense that Wood could be Nikki's son because the timeline is off... but it sounds feasible to me. Nikki was killed in 1977. Wood looks mid thirties-ish to me. Which means he would have been born late 60's, early 70's. Let's say Wood is 35. That means he was born in 1968, he would have been 9 when Nikki died. She looked older than the average, newly called slayer to me. Maybe, like Buffy, she'd managed to survive a lot longer than expected. And if she had Wood early in life, say when she was 15 or 16, that would mean she was 24 or 25 when she died. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. They've never said Buffy is the longest running slayer of all time. Just that she's one of the best slayers. With Nikki not living on the hellmouth, maybe it's not as treacherous to slay elsewhere.
What do you guys think? does my math work for you?
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Wood: Talk like that is taken pretty seriously where I come from.
Buffy: The hood?
Wood: Beverly Hills... which is a hood.
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bobknaptor wrote:
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About the wood spoilers...
(a whole bunch of cut additional spoilage)
What do you guys think? does my math work for you?
I'm with you... I never understood the big fuss about the age thing... the timeline always made perfect sense to me.
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I just watched Buffy (and was surprised to find Miranda from Lizzie Maguire as one of the potential Slayers, though it bugs me that her name is "Indigo," no last name, as if she was Cher) and I saw something that may or may not bear on Giles' fate. In the beginning scenes, we see Giles, and he is clearly leaning on something: possibly a couch or some such thing. The point is, would leaning count as "affecting the physical plane?" In the scenes from a few weeks ago, he was never pictured in any position other than standing up or walking, so I am slightly puzzled.
And I'm positive at this moment that Giles is NOT the First. Even if the First had wanted to see the "Eye Thing" to see if it gave any indication of how to defeat the First, it would have tried to keep Anya from getting the information too, by saying something like, "No Anya, you stay here in case the portal closes and it need be re-opened!" or seomething akin to that. If Giles is "dead" he's a ghosty with the best of intentions.
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Ok, as for Wood specualtion, here's my 2 cents:
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In "Tales of the Slayer," Nikki does not appear to have a Watcher... but that is off topic. What if Wood is the son of Nikki and Li?"
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I am also inclined to believe that Giles is not the First, but just for the sake of the argument:
The First would know why it suddenly has the power to attack Buffy. It would also know that this specific reason would be very hard for Buffy to take - Buffy would think its her fault. She might even try to kill herself (maybe this is even a hint how the series will end?) to make things right.
So logically it would be in the best interest of the First to make Buffy aware of this - and who is better in speaking unwanted truths than Anya? Also have in mind it was Giles who wanted to go to the Oracle (against Anya's wish) and it was Giles again interpreting the facts to Anya.
Whatever is correct, Joss keeps it interesting for us :-).
On a side note: it seems the First can be identified as such because a real person cannot touch it (Thats why Spike knew it was the real Buffy). So why doesn't the gang start touching each other when they meet?
Merl
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I suspect something is up with Giles. However I feel, in the purest Whedon tradition, we are being led to think it's one thing (Giles is dead and the First is presently using his form) when in fact something different and unexpected is happening/has happened to Giles. What is happening to him I suspect is somehow Coven related. (which leads me to a seperate question: are we going to meet any of these limey witches?)
Don't forget, Whedon has been in talks with the BBC to make a series based on the Rupert Giles character. I suppose a Ripper series could be a prequel if necessary, but I'm hoping it's present day which would seem to require a living Giles.
mattro
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Yes, but even if the Giles we are seeing right now is not the true Giles, then this does not necessarily mean Giles is dead. He could have died for a short time, been reanimated and lies in Coma in a hospital, for instance.
And, secondly, we only know from Giles himself, that the first is only able to repersonate dead people.
However, I agree with you that Joss just wants us on a false trail - but its an interesting trail to speculate about 
By the way: when did Buffy, Xander and Willow learn to telepath?
Merl
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Originally posted by RobertSparling:
I just watched Buffy (and was surprised to find Miranda from Lizzie Maguire as one of the potential Slayers, though it bugs me that her name is "Indigo," no last name, as if she was Cher)
She was credited as "Lalaine", same as on Lizzie.
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By the way: when did Buffy, Xander and Willow learn to telepath?
I presumed at first the telepathy was simply a Willow thing (left over from her Dark Willow stint) and that she somehow opened the telepathic channel between herself, Buffy and Xan.
But then I recalled that the three of them + Giles linked up at the end of S.4 (to defeat Adam) and then shared intense dreams the episode after that.
There seems to be a special link between them all. Hopefully it will be explained further.
mattro
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