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The President’s Scheme Unraveled
By early September, President Zelensky was ready to make a public announcement of the two investigations to secure a White House meeting and the military assistance his country desperately needed. He proceeded to book an interview on CNN during which he could make such an announcement, but other events soon intervened.
On September 9, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the Committees on Oversight and Reform, and the Committee on Foreign Affairs announced an investigation into the scheme by President Trump and his personal attorney, Mr. Giuliani “to improperly pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President’s bid for reelection.” The Committees sent document production and preservation requests to the White House and the State Department related to the investigation. NSC staff members believed this investigation might have had “the effect of releasing the hold” on Ukraine military assistance because it would have been “potentially politically challenging” to “justify that hold.”
Later that day, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) sent a letter to Chairman Schiff and Ranking Member Nunes notifying the Committee that a whistleblower had filed a complaint on August 12 that the ICIG had determined to be both an “urgent concern” and “credible.” Nevertheless, the Acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) took the unprecedented step of withholding the complaint from the Congressional Intelligence Committees, in coordination with the White House and the Department of Justice.
The White House had been aware of the whistleblower complaint for several weeks, and press reports indicate that the President was briefed on it in late August. The ICIG’s notification to Congress of the complaint’s existence, and the announcement of a separate investigation into the same subject matter, telegraphed to the White House that attempts to condition the security assistance on the announcement of the political investigations beneficial to President Trump—and efforts to cover up that misconduct—would not last.
On September 11, in the face of growing public and Congressional scrutiny, President Trump lifted the hold on security assistance to Ukraine. As with the implementation of the hold, no clear reason was given. By the time the President ordered the release of security assistance to Ukraine, DOD was unable to spend approximately 14 percent of the funds appropriated by Congress for Fiscal Year 2019. Congress had to pass a new law to extend the funding in order to ensure the full amount could be used by Ukraine to defend itself.
Even after the hold was lifted, President Zelensky still intended to sit for an interview with CNN in order to announce the investigations—indeed, he still wanted the White House meeting. At the urging of Ambassador Taylor, President Zelensky cancelled the CNN interview on September 18 or 19. The White House meeting, however, still has not occurred.
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The President’s Chief of Staff Confirmed Aid was Conditioned on Investigations
The conditioning of military aid to Ukraine on the investigations sought by the President was as clear to Ambassador Sondland as “two plus two equals four.” In fact, the President’s own Acting Chief of Staff, someone who meets with him daily, admitted that he had discussed security assistance with the President and that his decision to withhold it was directly tied to his desire to get Ukraine to conduct a political investigation.
On October 17, at a press briefing in the White House, Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney confirmed that President Trump withheld the essential military aid for Ukraine as leverage to pressure Ukraine to investigate the conspiracy theory that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. As Dr. Hill made clear in her testimony, this false narrative has been promoted by President Putin to deflect away from Russia’s systemic interference in our election and to drive a wedge between the United States and a key partner.
According to Mr. Mulvaney, President Trump “[a]bsolutely” mentioned “corruption related to the DNC server” in connection with the security assistance during his July 25 call. Mr. Mulvaney also stated that the server was part of “why we held up the money.” After a reporter attempted to clarify this explicit acknowledgement of a quid pro quo, Mr. Mulvaney replied: “We do that all the time with foreign policy.” He added, “I have news for everybody: get over it. There is going to be political influence in foreign policy.”
Ambassador Taylor testified that in his decades of military and diplomatic service, he had never seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President. Rather, “we condition assistance on issues that will improve our foreign policy, serve our foreign policy, ensure that taxpayers’ money is well-spent,” not specific investigations designed to benefit the political interests of the President of the United States.
In contrast, President Trump does not appear to believe there is any such limitation on his power to use White House meetings, military aid or other official acts to procure foreign help in his reelection. When asked by a reporter on October 3 what he had hoped President Zelensky would do following their July 25 call, President Trump responded: “Well, I would think that, if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens. It’s a very simple answer.”
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II. The President Obstructed the Impeachment Inquiry by Instructing Witnesses and Agencies to Ignore Subpoenas for Documents and Testimony
An Unprecedented Effort to Obstruct an Impeachment Inquiry
Donald Trump is the first President in the history of the United States to seek to completely obstruct an impeachment inquiry undertaken by the House of Representatives under Article I of the Constitution, which vests the House with the “sole Power of Impeachment.” He has publicly and repeatedly rejected the authority of Congress to conduct oversight of his actions and has directly challenged the authority of the House to conduct an impeachment inquiry into his actions regarding Ukraine.
President Trump ordered federal agencies and officials to disregard all voluntary requests for documents and defy all duly authorized subpoenas for records. He also directed all federal officials in the Executive Branch not to testify—even when compelled.
No other President has flouted the Constitution and power of Congress to conduct oversight to this extent. No President has claimed for himself the right to deny the House’s authority to conduct an impeachment proceeding, control the scope of a power exclusively vested in the House, and forbid any and all cooperation from the Executive Branch. Even President Richard Nixon—who obstructed Congress by refusing to turn over key evidence—accepted the authority of Congress to conduct an impeachment inquiry and permitted his aides and advisors to produce documents and testify to Congressional committees.
Despite President Trump’s unprecedented and categorical commands, the House gathered overwhelming evidence of his misconduct from courageous individuals who were willing to follow the law, comply with duly authorized subpoenas, and tell the truth. In response, the President engaged in a brazen effort to publicly attack and intimidate these witnesses.
If left unanswered, President Trump’s ongoing effort to thwart Congress’ impeachment power risks doing grave harm to the institution of Congress, the balance of power between our branches of government, and the Constitutional order that the President and every Member of Congress have sworn to protect and defend.
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Constitutional Authority for Congressional Oversight and Impeachment
The House’s Constitutional and legal authority to conduct an impeachment inquiry is clear, as is the duty of the President to cooperate with the House’s exercise of this authority.
Article I of the U.S. Constitution gives the House of Representatives the “sole Power of Impeachment.” The Framers intended the impeachment power to be an essential check on a President who might engage in corruption or abuse of power. Congress is empowered to conduct oversight and investigations to carry out its authorities under Article I. Because the impeachment power is a core component of the nation’s Constitutional system of checks and balances, Congress’ investigative authority is at its zenith during an impeachment inquiry.
The Supreme Court has made clear that Congress’ authority to investigate includes the authority to compel the production of information by issuing subpoenas, a power the House has delegated to its committees pursuant to its Constitutional authority to “determine the Rules of its Proceedings.”
Congress has also enacted statutes to support its power to investigate and oversee the Executive Branch. These laws impose criminal and other penalties on those who fail to comply with inquiries from Congress or block others from doing so, and they reflect the broader Constitutional requirement to cooperate with Congressional investigations.
Unlike President Trump, past Presidents who were the subject of impeachment inquiries—including Presidents Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton—recognized and, to varying degrees, complied with information requests and subpoenas.
President Nixon, for example, agreed to let his staff testify voluntarily in the Senate Watergate investigation, stating: “All members of the White House Staff will appear voluntarily when requested by the committee. They will testify under oath, and they will answer fully all proper questions.” President Nixon also produced documents in response to the House’s subpoenas as part of its impeachment inquiry, including more than 30 transcripts of White House recordings and notes from meetings with the President. When President Nixon withheld tape recordings and produced heavily edited and inaccurate records, the House Judiciary Committee approved an article of impeachment for obstruction.
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The President’s Categorical Refusal to Comply
Even before the House of Representatives launched its investigation regarding Ukraine, President Trump rejected the authority of Congress to investigate his actions, proclaiming, “We’re fighting all the subpoenas,” and “I have an Article II, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”
When the Intelligence, Oversight and Reform, and Foreign Affairs Committees began reviewing the President’s actions as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry, the President repeatedly challenged the legitimacy of the investigation in word and deed. His rhetorical attacks appeared intended not only to dispute reports of his misconduct, but to persuade the American people that the House lacks authority to investigate the President.
On September 26, President Trump argued that Congress should not be “allowed” to impeach him under the Constitution and that there “should be a way of stopping it—maybe legally, through the courts.” A common theme of his defiance has been his claims that Congress is acting in an unprecedented way and using unprecedented rules. However, the House has been following the same investigative rules that Republicans championed when they were in control.
On October 8, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Chairmen of the investigating Committees confirming that President Trump directed his entire Administration not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry. Mr. Cipollone wrote: “President Trump cannot permit his Administration to participate in this partisan inquiry under these circumstances.”
Mr. Cipollone’s letter advanced remarkably politicized arguments and legal theories unsupported by the Constitution, judicial precedent, and more than 200 years of history. If allowed to stand, the President’s defiance, as justified by Mr. Cipollone, would represent an existential threat to the nation’s Constitutional system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and rule of law.
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The President’s Refusal to Produce Any and All Subpoenaed Documents
Following President Trump’s categorical order, not a single document has been produced by the White House, the Office of the Vice President, the Office of Management and Budget, the Department of State, the Department of Defense, or the Department of Energy in response to 71 specific, individualized requests or demands for records in their possession, custody, or control. These subpoenas remain in full force and effect. These agencies and offices also blocked many current and former officials from producing records directly to the Committees.
Certain witnesses defied the President’s sweeping, categorical, and baseless order and identified the substance of key documents. For example, Ambassador Gordon Sondland attached ten exhibits to his written hearing testimony reflecting reproductions of certain communications with high-level Administration officials, including Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Secretary of Energy Rick Perry. Other witnesses identified numerous additional documents that the President and various agencies are withholding that are directly relevant to the impeachment inquiry.
Like the White House, the Department of State refused to produce a single document in response to its subpoena, even though there is no legal basis for the Department’s actions. In fact, on November 22, the Department was forced to produce 99 pages of emails, letters, notes, timelines, and news articles to a non-partisan, nonprofit ethics watchdog organization pursuant to a court order in a lawsuit filed under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Although limited in scope, this production affirms that the Department is withholding responsive documents from Congress without any valid legal basis.
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The President’s Refusal to Allow Top Aides to Testify
No other President in history has issued an order categorically directing the entire Executive Branch not to testify before Congress, including in the context of an impeachment inquiry. President Trump issued just such an order.
As reflected in Mr. Cipollone’s letter, President Trump directed government witnesses to violate their legal obligations and defy House subpoenas—regardless of their offices or positions. President Trump even extended his order to former officials no longer employed by the federal government. This Administration-wide effort to prevent all witnesses from providing testimony was coordinated and comprehensive.
At President Trump’s direction, twelve current or former Administration officials refused to testify as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry, ten of whom did so in defiance of duly authorized subpoenas:
Mick Mulvaney, Acting White House Chief of Staff
Robert B. Blair, Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to the Chief of Staff
Ambassador John Bolton, Former National Security Advisor
John A. Eisenberg, Deputy Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs and Legal Advisor, National Security Council
Michael Ellis, Senior Associate Counsel to the President and Deputy Legal Advisor, National Security Council
Preston Wells Griffith, Senior Director for International Energy and Environment, National Security Council
Dr. Charles M. Kupperman, Former Deputy Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs, National Security Council
Russell T. Vought, Acting Director, Office of Management and Budget
Michael Duffey, Associate Director for National Security Programs, Office of Management and Budget
Brian McCormack, Associate Director for Natural Resources, Energy, and Science, Office of Management and Budget
T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, Counselor, Department of State
Secretary Rick Perry, Department of Energy
These witnesses were warned that their refusal to testify “shall constitute evidence that may be used against you in a contempt proceeding” and “may be used as an adverse inference against you and the President.”
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The President’s Unsuccessful Attempts to Block Other Key Witnesses
Despite President Trump’s orders that no Executive Branch employees should cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry, multiple key officials complied with duly authorized subpoenas and provided critical testimony at depositions and public hearings. These officials not only served their nation honorably, but they fulfilled their oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
In addition to the President’s broad orders seeking to prohibit all Executive Branch employees from testifying, many of these witnesses were personally directed by senior political appointees not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry. These directives frequently cited or enclosed copies of Mr. Cipollone’s October 8 letter conveying the President’s order not to comply.
For example, the State Department, relying on President Trump’s order, attempted to block Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch from testifying, but she fulfilled her legal obligations by appearing at a deposition on October 11 and a hearing on November 15. More than a dozen current and former officials followed her courageous example by testifying at depositions and public hearings over the course of the last two months. The testimony from these witnesses produced overwhelming and clear evidence of President Trump’s misconduct, which is described in detail in the first section of this report.
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The President’s Intimidation of Witnesses
President Trump publicly attacked and intimidated witnesses who came forward to comply with duly authorized subpoenas and testify about his misconduct, raising grave concerns about potential violations of criminal laws intended to protect witnesses appearing before Congressional proceedings. For example, the President attacked: Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who served the United States honorably for decades as a U.S. diplomat and anti-corruption advocate in posts around the world under six different Presidents;
Ambassador Bill Taylor, who graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served as an infantry commander in Vietnam, and earned a Bronze Star and an Air Medal with a V device for valor;
Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, an active-duty Army officer for more than 20 years who earned a Purple Heart for wounds he sustained in an improvised explosive device attack in Iraq, as well as the Combat Infantryman Badge; and Jennifer Williams, who is Vice President Mike Pence’s top advisor on Europe and Russia and has a distinguished record of public service under the Bush, Obama, and Trump Administrations.
The President engaged in this effort to intimidate these public servants to prevent them from cooperating with Congress’ impeachment inquiry. He issued threats, openly discussed possible retaliation, made insinuations about their character and patriotism, and subjected them to mockery and derision—when they deserved the opposite. The President’s attacks were broadcast to millions of Americans—including witnesses’ families, friends, and coworkers.
It is a federal crime to intimidate or seek to intimidate any witness appearing before Congress. This prohibition applies to anyone who knowingly “uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades” another person in order to “influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding.” Violations of this law can carry a criminal sentence of up to 20 years in prison.
In addition to his relentless attacks on witnesses who testified in connection with the House’s impeachment inquiry, the President also repeatedly threatened and attacked a member of the Intelligence Community who filed an anonymous whistleblower complaint raising an “urgent concern” that “appeared credible” regarding the President’s conduct. The whistleblower filed the complaint confidentially with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, as authorized by the relevant whistleblower law. Federal law prohibits the Inspector General from revealing the whistleblower’s identity. Federal law also protects the whistleblower from retaliation.
In more than 100 public statements about the whistleblower over a period of just two months, the President publicly questioned the whistleblower’s motives, disputed the accuracy of the whistleblower’s account, and encouraged others to reveal the whistleblower’s identity. Most chillingly, the President issued a threat against the whistleblower and those who provided information to the whistleblower regarding the President’s misconduct, suggesting that they could face the death penalty for treason.
The President’s campaign of intimidation risks discouraging witnesses from coming forward voluntarily, complying with mandatory subpoenas for documents and testimony, and disclosing potentially incriminating evidence in this inquiry and future Congressional investigations.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident:
1. Trump is guilty as f*ck.
2. Trump has a 90% chance of being Impeached but staying in office.
3. God help the country and the world if he beats the rap AND wins the 2020 election. "Emboldened" is not a strong enough word - for both Trump and the GOP. We're on a Knife's Edge! This is better than Reality TV!
[ / cynical dark humor har har har ]
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Is this it? Is this the report you guys are waiting on? 
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We hold these truths to be self-evident:
1. Trump is guilty as f*ck.
2. Trump has a 90% chance of being Impeached but staying in office.
3. God help the country and the world if he beats the rap AND wins the 2020 election. "Emboldened" is not a strong enough word - for both Trump and the GOP. We're on a Knife's Edge! This is better than Reality TV!
[ / cynical dark humor har har har ]
I know G it's sad. And Jack kiki sig rappy jsf all defend this guy. They complain about all things fake as being of concern on one hand; then completely back the con man with the other. Why then would they believe others see them as anything other than trolls?
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Justice Department praises watchdog's upcoming report on Russia inquiry amid reported criticism by Attorney General Barr
WASHINGTON – The Justice Department late Monday lauded an upcoming report by the agency's inspector general that is expected to conclude that the FBI's surveillance of a Trump campaign aide was legal.
"The inspector general’s investigation is a credit to the Department of Justice," said Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec of the report, which is set for release Dec. 9. "His excellent work has uncovered significant information that the American people will soon be able to read for themselves."
Horowitz is scheduled to testify about the report's findings before the Senate panel on Dec. 11.
Trump and his Republican allies have trumpeted the report, with the president claiming it would prove the FBI abused its authority. The report is not expected to support his claim.
"There was no conspiracy to unseat Mr. Trump or defeat him. There was no treason. There was no sedition," James Baker said in May. He's the FBI's former general counsel and oversaw the launch of the Russia investigation.
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It appears that somebody took their Adderall today.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hold on to your butts.
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BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."
6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019
Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup.
The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/barrs-handpicked-prosecutor-te
lls-inspector-general-he-cant-back-right-wing-theory-that-russia-case-was-us-intelligence-setup/ar-BBXM9OT?ocid=spartandhp
I G report full of gas and no substance. I told you guys deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals. That's exactly what this report uncovered.
The deep state conspiracy some of you keep touting doesn't exit and here's proof of it. What's next losers?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hold on to your butts.
@ShannonBream
BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."
6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019
Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup.
The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/barrs-handpicked-prosecutor-te
lls-inspector-general-he-cant-back-right-wing-theory-that-russia-case-was-us-intelligence-setup/ar-BBXM9OT?ocid=spartandhp
I G report full of gas and no substance. I told you guys deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals. That's exactly what this report uncovered.
The deep state conspiracy some of you keep touting doesn't exit and here's proof of it. What's next losers?
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"people familiar with the matter said."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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World Leaders Caught Talking S**t About Trump
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It's a good thing the US President is no longer the world's lackey.
Flies shit.
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If you recall, Horowitz' last report was a whitewash. I would be vastly surprised if this was any different.
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lol. yup.
Fuck NATO and fuck Macron. Macron wishes he had Trump's approval rating.
Who cares?
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Trump’s favorite conspiracy theory deteriorates — courtesy of two men he hailed
rump has played up two probes into the origins of the Russia investigation — one by Inspector General Michael Horowitz and one by U.S. Attorney John Durham — and in both cases he has built up the men themselves. But Washington Post reports on both investigations now suggest the duo are not endorsing Trump’s chief conspiracy theory: that the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was an unfounded witch hunt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-favorite-conspiracy-the
ory-deteriorates-—-courtesy-of-two-men-he-hailed/ar-BBXNvm7?ocid=spartandhp
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lol. yup.
Fuck NATO and fuck Macron. Macron wishes he had Trump's approval rating.
Who cares?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
1,900 captured Muslim terrorists caught in Syria come from... wait for it...
France.
Want them back, Macron ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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I'm sure he does.
They can keep the Yellow Jacket protestors too busy from shutting down traffic outside of his house for making everybody in France poor.
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reports that the Senate Intelligence Committee report debunking the Russian Ukraine/Crowdstrike story is complete and has been awaiting final DNI clearance for months. Michael Carpenter, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia, shares his reaction.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It was under Rue?
Gosh - I'm sorry about that!
So, do you have links to those posts?
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It was under Rue?
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Hmm. I thought it was under Rue, but I see Rue only goes back to 2004. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=6022 Rue is River, as I recall my original pix was Book. But I only recollect 2 handles - Rue(River) and 1kiki(Book). I may have forgotten my original handle.
Gosh - I'm sorry about that!
Quote:Sorry, no. I did briefly look through a few old threads to see if I could find my original name, but after over an hour, I gave up. At the time I didn't have regular access to a computer, so I didn't post that often. I think I'd have to search a lot of threads, and without a name my posts would take more time to find than I'm willing to devote.
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So, do you have links to those posts?
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IG report is here: www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Trump’s comments about the IG report turn reality on its head
Trump’s extremely false analysis of the report shows how his conspiracy theories are impervious to fact-checking.
www.vox.com/2019/12/9/21003475/trump-it-report-horowitz-overthrow-lies
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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IG report is here: www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Trump’s comments about the IG report turn reality on its head
Trump’s extremely false analysis of the report shows how his conspiracy theories are impervious to fact-checking.
www.vox.com/2019/12/9/21003475/trump-it-report-horowitz-overthrow-lies
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Second: Makes a statement.
Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.
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"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff.
However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened." -US Attorney John Durham
When I read that Horowitz concluded that the FBI was in the clear because Mifsud wasn't an FBI informant, I realized that the problem was the scope of Horowitz' remit. Most of the skulduggery was outside of the USA. If Horowitz wasn't allowed, or didn't want to extend his investigation beyond the FBI, he was destined to come up with only low-hanging fruit.
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Hi Signy! I know you're busy, but I do appreciate when you post! I really like your ability to discern pivotal facts as well as your broad-scope/long-term analysis.
Thanks for posting. I always learn something.
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As a point of curiosity I looked up exactly WHO reports to the DOJ. Here is the DOJ's org chart:
https://www.justice.gov/agencies/chart
The CIA and NSA don't report to the DOJ either. So while Horowitz might say that the FBI didn't "spy" on the Trump campaign, I'm not sure that he can say the same for the CIA.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.
What's the problem?
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Quote:The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second: Makes a statement.
Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690
It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.
What's the problem?
It was obvious what it would find - big fat zero. Ever heard of Benghazi? Nunes Report?
So now they're going to try again with Durham's "report" - just another attempt to appease that orange f*ck. I have to give Trump credit for knowing he can get away with all kinds of sh*t just by doing it brazenly and in public.
Maybe you can answer this: what does Trump have over so many GOP members of congress that makes them lie so easily in public, especially when it's so obvious they're lying? Is it FSB threats, death threats ala Skripal, money (bribery), just plain cowardice, along for the power mad train ride? It's abundantly clear Trump is a lying sack of sh*t - so what's the appeal? Why do you follow him so obediently?
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Quote:AHA! White, meet rice!
The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690
It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Well, I heard of the Bengahzi report and it was a witewash. same with the "investigation" of Hillary's emails. (They focused on the entirely wrong thing. Instead of investigating it as a security issue, they should have investigated it as a possible corruption issue.)
I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.
What's the problem?- SIGNY
It was obvious what it would find - big fat zero. Ever heard of Benghazi? Nunes Report?
Quote:Oh yeah,like the non-collusion with Russia and the non-quid-prop-quo with Ukraine. Yeah, getting away with nothing is some slick trick all right!
So now they're going to try again with Durham's "report" - just another attempt to appease that orange f*ck. I have to give Trump credit for knowing he can get away with all kinds of sh*t just by doing it brazenly and in public.
Quote:He has nothing over them. The GOP simply doesn't want to follow the DEMS over a cliff ... a cliff that the Dems themselves created.
Maybe you can answer this: what does Trump have over so many GOP members of congress that makes them lie public so much, especially when it's so obvious they're lying? Is it FSB threats, death threats ala Skripal, money (bribery), just plain cowardice, along for the power mad train ride? It's abundantly clear Trump is a lying sack of sh*t - so what's the appeal? Why do you follow him so obediently?
An entire post of bullshit with the obligatory personal attack ... I knew I could count on you!
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Report: Trump Has Told More Than 10,000 Lies Since Being Inaugurated
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-has-told-more-than-10000
-lies-since-being-inaugurated-washington-post
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No Deep State oh my...
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DOJ Watchdog Finds No Political Bias In Russia Investigation
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yeah,like the non-collusion with Russia and the non-quid-prop-quo with Ukraine. Yeah, getting away with nothing is some slick trick all right!
You mean you don't know Giuliani is still in Ukraine working on dirt on Biden? You mean you didn't hear Trump ask both Ukraine and China - from the Rose Garden no less - to dig up dirt on his main rival?
I suspect you are lying. Again.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An entire post of bullshit with the obligatory personal attack ... I knew I could coiut on you!
Yes, your posts are def full of bullsh*t - you must be utterly bored or out of Troll credits.
I knew we could count on you just like I knew the IG report would prove nothing except Trump's full of sh*t too.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second: Makes a statement.
Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690
It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Or the third scenario is that we finally have a president that got Democrats, at least the loudest, most emotional and most easy to manipulate of them, to side with alphabet agencies in 2019 and pretend that they're good guys after decades of (rightfully) rallying against them and their shady, shadowy ways for decades.
It should come as no surprise, really. You guys absolutely LOVE Mueller in 2019. I remember vividly when that wasn't the case either.
I know you think you're the good guys, but you're all lost right now.
I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Sig, the deep state you speak of is Trump and Barr. They are very bad people. They are not the professionals I speak about. Your deep state are the ones trying to defame the hardworking people who give their best for the common good.
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Representative Val Demings Schools AG Barr On Policing Comments
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James Comey: The truth is finally out. The FBI fulfilled its mission
James Comey writes:
For two years, the president of the United States and his followers have loudly declared that the FBI acted unlawfully in conducting a counterintelligence investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.
They repeatedly told the American people that the FBI had done all sorts of bad things, such as tapping Donald Trump’s wires during the campaign, opening an investigation without adequate cause, with the intent to damage Trump, and inserting secret informants into the Trump campaign.
The president said the FBI’s actions were “treason.” The current attorney general even slimed his own organization by supporting Trump’s claims, asserting there had been “spying” on the campaign. Crimes had been committed, the Trump crowd said, and a whole bunch of former FBI leaders, including me, were likely going to jail.
On Monday, we learned from a report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, that the allegation of a criminal conspiracy was nonsense. There was no illegal wiretapping, there were no informants inserted into the campaign, there was no “spying” on the Trump campaign.
Although it took two years, the truth is finally out.
https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2019/12/09/james-comey-the-truth-is-f
inally-out-the-fbi-fulfilled-its-mission/
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.
Why wait, here's some truth about that:
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Your list isn't a list of opinions G based on a conspiracy theory. It is a list of facts. Something the trolls, never post.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.
Why wait, here's some truth about that:
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AG Barr Is Trying To Muddy Up The Waters again
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IG Report Proved Devastating To Trump's Lies
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hold on to your butts.
@ShannonBream
BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."
6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019
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Sen. Schumer on Justice Department IG Report
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Originally posted by THG:
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IG Report Proved Devastating To Trump's Lies
According to Mika "It's our job to tell you what to think" Brazinski.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing.
It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership.
The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer.
You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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We know it changes nothing for you and others Jack. What else we know is it shows you to have been wrong for years concerning all things Trump.
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Trump and Barr now acting like the "deep state"
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Only if you're focusing on what you're focusing on. That report says a whole lot more than you think it says in 470+ pages.
Maybe you should broaden your sources and get to know the facts before you talk about things you don't actually know anything about. Just a suggestion.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing.
It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership.
The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer.
You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes.
That's the sad truth - even when confronted with a mountain of facts and evidence Trump lovers just don't care, can't be bothered. Obey. He probably could shoot someone in broad day light and get a way with it. There's got to be more than just hating Dems that drives them. Truly a Jim Jones kind of cult. Conform. Brainless and spineless obedience. Some of us have the special glasses, though - we know.
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I watched that movie G. Forgot all about it. Perfect when it comes to describing Trumpers.
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So we have yet another John Roberts O-Care flip, James Comey " no intent " level load of insufferable garbage masquerading as " justice " ? Seems like.
17 omissions and LIES, to be brutally honest.
Oh, and let's not ignore the actual content of the report itself...
" Steele's handling agent told us that when Steele
provided him with the first election reports in July 2016
and described his engagement with Fusion GPS, it was
obvious to him that the request for the research was
politically motivated . The supervisory intelligence
analyst who supervised the analytical efforts for the
Crossfire Hurricane team (Supervisory Intel Analyst)"
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571528/120919-Examination.
txt
So, the source of the fake dossier which was used as the basis for multiple FISA warrants, the dossier which wasn't at all vetted or corroborated, what so ever, was himself " POLITICALLY MOTIVATED ", with funding from the DNC and Hillary campaign, and yet the Obama appointed IG says " no intent " ?
Benghazi was about a YouTube video.
Hillary ran for cover, ducking sniper fire, while on the tarmac in Bosnia
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky...
Just add this to the deep state garbage pile of lies we've been told.
Never fear, actual CRIMINAL investigation is still incoming.
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Contained within Monday's FISA report by the DOJ Inspector General is the revelation that Fusion GPS, the firm paid by the Clinton campaign to produce the Steele dossier, "was paying Steele to discuss his reporting with the media." (P. 369 and elsewhere)
One of the more damaging articles to result from these meetings was authored by Yahoo News journalist Michael Isikoff, who said in an interview that he was invited by Fusion GPS to meet a "secret source" at a Washington restaurant.
That secret source was none other than Christopher Steele, a former MI-6 Russia expert who fed the Isikoff information for a September 23, 2016 article - which would have had far greater reach and impact coming from such a widely-read media outlet vs. $100,000 in Russian-bought Facebook ads.
Isikoff's article claimed that former Trump campaign aide Carter Page "has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials - including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president."
This allegaton was found by special counsel Robert Mueller report to be false. Moreover, the FBI knew about it in December, 2016, when DOJ #4 Bruce Ohr told the agency as much.
"Steele told us that in September [of 2016] her and Simpson gave an "off-the-record" briefing to a small number of journalists about his reporting," reads page 165 of the FISA report, which says that Steele "acknowledged that Yahoo News was identified in one of the court filings in the foreign litigation as being present."
Put another way, Hillary Clinton paid Christopher Steele to feed information to the MSM in order to harm Donald Trump right before the 2016 election. Granted, there were intermediaries; the Clinton campaign paid law firm Perkins Coie, which paid Fusion GPS, which paid Steele. And if asked, we're guessing Clinton would claim she had no idea this happened - which, quite frankly, simply isn't plausible given the stakes.
Whatever the case - the act of Simpson paying Steele to peddle fiction to the media for the purpose of harming Trump, by itself, constitutes blatant election meddling by every standard set by the left over the past three years.
We're sure Hillary can explain that if and when she jumps into the 2020 race.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing.
It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership.
The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer.
You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes.
That's the sad truth - even when confronted with a mountain of facts and evidence Trump lovers just don't care, can't be bothered. Obey. He probably could shoot someone in broad day light and get a way with it. There's got to be more than just hating Dems that drives them. Truly a Jim Jones kind of cult. Conform. Brainless and spineless obedience. Some of us have the special glasses, though - we know.
Nope. You don't get to claim They Live.
That movie was talking about you.
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In a new interview, Attorney General Bill Barr said it’s bad when the government tries to affect “the outcome of the election.” Yes, seriously.
The interview with host Pete Williams focused on the Department of Justice’s inspector general report on the origins of the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation. Barr said a number of questionable things in the interview, including contradicting one of Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s core findings: that there was legitimate reason to investigate links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He also tried to spin the Trump team’s contacts with Russia as something that “most campaigns” do.
But the most unbelievable line came when Barr attempted to cast the FBI’s surveillance of Trump campaign staff in 2016 as “the greatest danger to our free system” — because in his mind, that constituted the government abusing its powers to influence an election. Yes, really:
"From a civil liberties standpoint, the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government used the apparatus of the state, principally the law enforcement agencies and the intelligence agencies, both to spy on political opponents, but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of the election."
This is just not an accurate description of what happened in 2016.
There is no credible evidence that the FBI investigation was an attempt to intervene in the election, which is a conspiracy theory that doesn’t even pass the most basic smell test. The existence of the Trump-Russia investigation wasn’t officially confirmed until March 2017 — and the most prominent leak during the campaign was pro-Trump, resulting in an iconically false New York Times headline: “Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia.” Why would the FBI keep its evidence against Trump secret until after the election, if it was trying to influence the outcome?
But setting aside the falsehoods, the sheer chutzpah of Barr’s comments is staggering. Again, according to Barr, “The greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state ... in a way that could affect the outcome of the election.”
What president might be doing something like that, right now, and getting impeached for it?
www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/barr-thinks-fbi-may-have-a
cted-bad-faith-probing-trump-n1098986
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Yeah, Signy had it best. An investigation that looked ONLY into the FIB and not into its corrupt international sources was not going to get to the problem. It's like looking in your dishwasher for your coat ... and then claiming you don't have a coat.
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Quote:“The Inspector General did not find political bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation [into the Trump campaign], or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigation,” FBI Director Wray said.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, Signy had it best. An investigation that looked ONLY into the FIB and not into its corrupt international sources was not going to get to the problem. It's like looking in your dishwasher for your coat ... and then claiming you don't have a coat.
Wray went on to acknowledge that the report wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows for his bureau, adding, “The Inspector General did find a number of instances where employees either failed to follow our policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or in some other way fell short of the standard of conduct and performance that we and that I as director expect of all of our employees.”
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1204127022156369920
Trump then attacked Wray, illustrating how Trump continues to demand complete and utter personal loyalty from administration officials. Even comments that would be anodyne in any other era, such as ones accurately interpreting the main takeaways of an IG report, are taken by Trump as a personal attack, because they don’t accord with his pre-baked narrative about “deep state” forces conspiring to take him down.
www.oann.com/president-trump-criticizes-fbi-director-wray-for-acceptin
g-inspector-general-report/
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If you noticed, I have posted very little into this thread. The report turned out the way I thought it would, and I'll just have to wait for Durham's report, which will be much broader in scope.
I just posted to stir up the TDS ant nest.
Mission accomplished!
In the meantime, I'll just post this here.
See you TDSers later. MUCH later!
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Quote:The “full investigation” Attorney General Barr promises is a separate probe currently being conducted by a hand-picked investigator, John Durham, who on Monday said that he also didn’t agree with Horowitz’s findings.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you noticed, I have posted very little into this thread. The report turned out the way I thought it would, and I'll just have to wait for Durham's report, which will be much broader in scope.
“Last month, we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” Durham said.
Last week, though, the Washington Post reported that Horowitz had given Durham the opportunity to back up some of the president’s more outlandish claims that the FBI had improperly spied on his campaign, which have been repeated by the attorney general. According to the Post, Durham could not provide evidence to back up this theory.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/bill-barr-lying-inspector-
general-horowitz-report.html
Even Fox News was able to acknowledge this reality, with Chris Wallace reporting “the headline is that they didn’t find the things that Bill Barr and Donald Trump alleged.”
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Yes, the claim that the Trump campaign was SPIED ON can be debunked if you define BEING SPIED ON as having a spy - a covert agent - being inserted into your organization to surreptitiously gather information. That's how the claim gets 'debunked'.
The same way you can debunk the claim that it was WIRE-TAPPED if you define being WIRE-TAPPED very specifically as having electronic eavesdropping to live phone conversations.
It was surveilled. It was monitored. It was entrapped. It was the target of dirty tricks. It was the subject of coordinated action between international covert agencies to gather information they couldn't legally gather otherwise. It was lied about through a series of daily or nearly daily 'leaks' by 'anonymous sources' that turned out to be vastly untrue.
But it wasn't SPIED ON.
That kind of word-parsing will have its blowback when it all comes out.
Flies shit.
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Yurp.
I'm hoping a lot of people get fired over this reporting.
There's zero question about the blatant bias of it all.
Meh. Whatever...
Like I said before, this hasn't changed anything. Democrats will not be able to illegally throw out somebody who was voted in because they don't like them, and that leaves them with absolutely zero to offer them for 2020 other than "we're not Trump", which was always the only thing they had to offer them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1204599945556353024?s=20
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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lol
OPPS
While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire
-233446
Because I was going to archive it until I realized that this specific page has been archived 1,576 times already on Archive.org.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/u
kraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
OPPS, I did it again.
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These ferret faces in the media lie for a damn living and then literally the exact thing they mock and claim didn't happen ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN!!
Same for the Democrats. Too god damn psycho to admit they're wrong, and that Trump is kicking their asses daily, they INVENT this bullshit grounds for impeachment.
Which everyone knows is nothing but sky screamer fanfic.
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The problem is that it's literally become a sub-set of Hollywood these days and there's just far too much money in it for the main cast. These media corporations have downsized or outright eliminated their investigative journalism and fact checking departments.
The speed of information also plays a disproportionate role with the way we get our "news" today too. If a media outlet were to take their time to fact check before they released something, then they lose out on all of the ad revenue because 10 other less scrupulous media outlets have already put it out and sucked it all up.
I know you're going to argue this point with me, but Fox News hardly gets a pass here. People like Hannity are just as guilty as the rest of them for the division in this country right now.
It's all but impossible to counter somebody's argument these days with a source because none of the Legacy Media is trustworthy or has a shred of integrity at all. I think that deep down everybody really knows it, but we've become so divided that people will only admit that the other "side" is lying and that everything that their "side" says is the absolute truth. Meanwhile, they spend a lot of their production budget making sure the normies don't ever stray from the fold and go to outside sources who actually do fact check and have integrity for their news.
So these days I've taken the tact that I'm just going to laugh it off and tell everybody to just wait and see what actually happens instead of just believing what they're told is going to happen.
It's also important to pull stuff like this out of the memory hole and shove it in their faces too. People are very resistant to the red pill, but maybe if they start getting a steady diet of having previous "facts" they were told that turned out to be lies they'll wake up without needing to swallow a horse pill. It's 10 times as important to show them when the very same sources they're quoting today are saying lies that are only believable if you have already forgotten the lies they told you yesterday.
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Quote:From that Politico story:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
OPPS
While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire
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And in an interview this week, Manafort, who re-emerged as an informal advisor to Trump after Election Day, suggested that the ledgers were inauthentic and called their publication “a politically motivated false attack on me. My role as a paid consultant was public. There was nothing off the books, but the way that this was presented tried to make it look shady.”
Three years later, "Shady" Manafort is in a Federal Penitentiary until December 25, 2024 or a Trump pardon. At Manafort's sentencing, Trump whined that he felt "very badly", but not bad enough to pardon him.
www.politico.com/story/2019/03/08/trump-manafort-judges-russia-collusi
on-1212528
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Just as an aside, for all of you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans (if there are any here): You won't get any satisfaction from the Senate either. Lindsey Graham is talking about a one=day Senate trial. That means: No raking Eric Ciaramella over the coals. No skewering Adam Schiff. No digging into Hunter Biden's role with Burisma, nor any of the other investigative fantasies.
Lindsey Graham is a neocon. Even if he himself (and other Senate Republicans) didn't participate in the free-for-all that was Ukraine, Graham is as much a product of the swamp as Joe Biden. No swamp creature wants to unmask another swamp creature: Professiona courtesy, you know.
Betcha dollars to donuts that's what happens.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:Ciaramella is not on trial: https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/eric-ciaramella/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as an aside, for all of you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans (if there are any here): You won't get any satisfaction from the Senate either. Lindsey Graham is talking about a one=day Senate trial. That means: No raking Eric Ciaramella over the coals. No skewering Adam Schiff. No digging into Hunter Biden's role with Burisma, nor any of the other investigative fantasies.
Betcha dollars to donuts that's what happens.
Instead, the trial will be all Trump, all the time.
Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 of the Constitution designates the chief justice to preside during presidential impeachment trials in the Senate. Chief Justice Roberts, being the Judge at Trump's trial, will not put up with you wasting his time, Signym, attacking your many enemies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Also, one more aside: This is what "draining the swamp" looks like, because "the swamp" has a tendency to push back hard. The swamp protects itself, and, as Chuck Schumer (D, NY) said, it has "six ways from Sunday" of getting back at you.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Quote:There is no swamp, but there is a tug of war with a rope that has not two ends but 50 ends, one for each state of the union. That is how the Founding Fathers designed the system and that is why Congress turns into a stalemate whenever (and it has happened many times before) nobody has the strength or the numbers to pull 50 states in the same direction.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, one more aside: This is what "draining the swamp" looks like, because "the swamp" has a tendency to push back hard. The swamp protects itself, and, as Chuck Schumer (D, NY) said, it has "six ways from Sunday" of getting back at you.
Imagine 50 puppies, rather than 3, all tugging on the same toy. That is the Congressional tug of war:
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as an aside, for all of you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans (if there are any here): You won't get any satisfaction from the Senate either. Lindsey Graham is talking about a one=day Senate trial. That means: No raking Eric Ciaramella over the coals. No skewering Adam Schiff. No digging into Hunter Biden's role with Burisma, nor any of the other investigative fantasies.
Lindsey Graham is a neocon. Even if he himself (and other Senate Republicans) didn't participate in the free-for-all that was Ukraine, Graham is as much a product of the swamp as Joe Biden. No swamp creature wants to unmask another swamp creature: Professiona courtesy, you know.
Betcha dollars to donuts that's what happens.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
That will be gross if that happens. It will also not be a good thing for Republicans either, and only serve to further enrage the wackos on the left that will be screaming for blood.
I hope Trump steps in and makes them do a legitimate process, and that they don't wrap it up until at least June.
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And now for the useless finger-wagging from Horowtiz (live testiomony)
Quote:He calls them "errors". How quaint!
“We are deeply concerned that so many basic and fundamental errors
Quote:Comey. *cough*
were made by three separate, hand-picked investigative teams; on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations; after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels within the FBI; even though the information sought through use of FISA authority related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign; and even though those involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subjected to close scrutiny. We believe this circumstance reflects a failure not just by those who prepared the FISA applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in the [investigation’s] chain of command, including FBI senior officials
Quote:
who were briefed as the investigation progressed.”
Since Horowitz spins these repeated actions across multiple deparments and personnel as "errors" and "mistakes", and not the coordinated and toxic response that they were, nothing will come of his report.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope. You don't get to claim They Live.
That movie was talking about you.
lol - no it wasn't.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you noticed, I have posted very little into this thread.
It feels that way in every thread you post.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope. You don't get to claim They Live.
That movie was talking about you.
lol - no it wasn't.
lol - yes it was.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire
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lol - how many sentences of that article did you read?
You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire
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lol - how many sentences of that article did you read?
You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol
Yeah. I did see that.
I'm calling it out for being a bullshit article.
What's you're point?
You can't really be THIS stupid.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump is USING that Politico article. It’s ironic that Trump, who has done nothing but bash the news media ever since he decided to run for president, has settled on an allegation made in a Politico article two years ago as a defense for his treatment of Ukraine.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire
-233446]
lol - how many sentences of that article did you read?
You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol
Yeah. I did see that.
I'm calling it out for being a bullshit article.
What's you're point?
You can't really be THIS stupid.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Politico article said some Ukrainian officials were so concerned about Trump’s close ties to Russia, which invaded their country in 2014, that they sought ways to help Hillary Clinton to win the 2016 election. What did they do? The sitting ambassador from Ukraine wrote an op-ed blasting Donald Trump during the election season. Wow! That is the same as doing nothing.
Nothing the Ukrainians did came close to the state-run disinformation campaign personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin to help put Trump in the White House.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Ted-Cruz-knows-bet
ter-Ukraine-isn-t-Russia-14897144.php
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The IG, Nunes and Schiff
The Horowitz report reveals the Democrat’s many distortions.
"Monday's Justice Department Inspector General report on the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe is illuminating in many ways, not least the light it casts on the previous claims by politicians when they were telling the public about what they saw in classified documents.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff in particular has been exposed for distortions and falsehoods."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-ig-nunes-and-schiff-11576022741
read the full story at the link above
Flies named Adam Schiff shit. And so do the flies of the willing echo chamber.
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OK sig kiki Jack and or rappy; how many fISA warrants did the FBI screw up in the Russia investigation? Did they get any right?
Waiting...
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POLITICS 08/01/2013 02:43 pm ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
Richard Blumenthal, Ron Wyden, Tom Udall Unveil Bill To Reform FISA Court
WASHINGTON — A group of Democratic senators introduced legislation Thursday to reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court amid revelations that it secretly authorizes widespread surveillance of Americans.
Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Tom Udall (D-N.M.), all vocal critics of the National Security Agency’s dragnet data collection, announced two new bills that would change the FISA court to a more adversarial system and appoint a special advocate to protect privacy and individual rights. Speaking to reporters at a press conference on Capitol Hill, the three Democrats slammed the court for its lack of transparency and oversight; they also emphasized a growing desire among lawmakers to respond as more information comes out on the federal government’s surveillance methods.
“When this dramatic change occurred, a change that I think will be regarded as significant in our country’s constitutional history, there was nobody there to offer the other side,” Wyden said, referring to the court’s controversial interpretation of the Patriot Act Section 215 and FISA Court Amendments Act Section 702, under which the NSA programs are lawful.
“I know of no other court in America that is so one-sided,” he added. “For example, you hear often, ‘you can appeal’ … How do you appeal something that is secret?”
The bill is co-sponsored by Sens. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), and Ed Markey (D-Mass.).
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is preparing similar legislation in the House to appoint a special privacy advocate. The California Democrat has suggested several measures to make the court more transparent and curtail the scale of the NSA’s surveillance.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fisa-court-bill_n_3690465
It was hilarious listening to the republicans today scream about FISA warrants being abused. Republicans that did nothing to help Democrats' in 2013 as they tried and failed to get the needed legislation to add protections passed. Very funny indeed.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/155793/hell-democrats-just-extend-patr
iot-act
"Why the hell did Democrats just extend the Patriot Act?
House leadership included the measure in a government funding bill—and even members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus went along with it.
By SAM ADLER-BELL
November 20, 2019
It may seem to many Americans that Washington is entirely consumed by the impeachment inquiry, and that no other important business is getting done on Capitol Hill. But on Tuesday, in a break from televised hearings, the House of Representatives voted to fund the government through December 20. If passed by the Senate, the continuing resolution would prevent a government shutdown and forestall a debate about border-wall funding.
That’s all well and good, except that Democratic leaders had slipped something else into the bill: a three-month extension of the Patriot Act, the post-9/11 law that gave the federal government sweeping surveillance and search powers and circumvented traditional law-enforcement rules. Key provisions of the Patriot Act were set to expire on December 15, including Section 215, the legal underpinning of the call detail records program exposed in the very first Edward Snowden leak.
“It’s surreal,” Representative Justin Amash told me on Tuesday, just before the vote. Amash, an independent who left the Republican Party over his opposition to President Trump, pointed to the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle. Republicans have “decried FISA abuse” against the president and his aides, he said, referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, “and Democrats have highlighted Trump’s abuse of his executive powers, yet they’re teaming up to extend the administration’s authority to warrantlessly gather data on Americans.”
By tucking the measure into a must-pass bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced many members who oppose the Patriot Act to vote in favor of its extension. “Although I do have serious concerns with reauthorizing Section 215,” Representative Bobby Rush of Illinois told The Hill, “we must focus on the bigger picture here.” In late October, Rush signed a letter co-authored by Representatives Rashida Tlaib and Earl Blumenauer, which read, “We will not support any legislation that extends Section 215’s sunset date if it fails to contain robust reforms that protect innocent people from unjust surveillance.”
On Monday night, Amash submitted an amendment to strip the Patriot Act language from the budget bill, but the amendment was blocked by Democrats on the Rules Committee.
Just 10 Democrats defied the leadership to vote against the resolution, including Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar (a.k.a. “the Squad”). “I cannot in good conscience vote in favor of a [continuing resolution] that reauthorizes unconstitutional mass surveillance authorities,” Tlaib told me, “especially under a president who has retweeted images of his opponents jailed and suggests anyone who disagrees with him is a criminal.” AOC tweeted before the vote, “Yeah that’s gonna be a no from me dog.”
Ultimately, the funding bill passed 231-192, mostly on party lines.
Some advocates have questioned whether the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), which includes the Squad, should have done more to combat—or, at least, register its dissatisfaction with—the last-minute maneuver by Democratic leadership. On Wednesday morning, leaders of the CPC and the libertarian House Freedom Caucus circulated a joint letter on Capitol Hill calling for extensive reforms to the Patriot Act before it is reauthorized. But when it came time for the floor vote, CPC co-chairs Pramila Jayapal and Mark Pocan voted in favor of the funding measure. So did most of the caucus’s members. The only person in CPC leadership to vote against the bill was Omar.
“We needed a show of resolve from House progressives to underscore that protections for civil liberties are vital,” said Norman Solomon, the co-founder of digital activist group RootsAction.org. “Instead we got a cave-in fr
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Quote:You seem so interested in it ... why don't you read it and tell us?
Originally posted by THG:
OK sig kiki Jack and or rappy; how many fISA warrants did the FBI screw up in the Russia investigation? Did they get any right?
Flies shit.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://newrepublic.com/article/155793/hell-democrats-just-extend-patr
iot-act
"Why the hell did Democrats just extend the Patriot Act?
House leadership included the measure in a government funding bill—and even members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus went along with it.
By SAM ADLER-BELL
November 20, 2019
It may seem to many Americans that Washington is entirely consumed by the impeachment inquiry, and that no other important business is getting done on Capitol Hill. But on Tuesday, in a break from televised hearings, the House of Representatives voted to fund the government through December 20. If passed by the Senate, the continuing resolution would prevent a government shutdown and forestall a debate about border-wall funding.
That’s all well and good, except that Democratic leaders had slipped something else into the bill: a three-month extension of the Patriot Act, the post-9/11 law that gave the federal government sweeping surveillance and search powers and circumvented traditional law-enforcement rules. Key provisions of the Patriot Act were set to expire on December 15, including Section 215, the legal underpinning of the call detail records program exposed in the very first Edward Snowden leak.
“It’s surreal,” Representative Justin Amash told me on Tuesday, just before the vote. Amash, an independent who left the Republican Party over his opposition to President Trump, pointed to the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle. Republicans have “decried FISA abuse” against the president and his aides, he said, referring to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, “and Democrats have highlighted Trump’s abuse of his executive powers, yet they’re teaming up to extend the administration’s authority to warrantlessly gather data on Americans.”
By tucking the measure into a must-pass bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced many members who oppose the Patriot Act to vote in favor of its extension. “Although I do have serious concerns with reauthorizing Section 215,” Representative Bobby Rush of Illinois told The Hill, “we must focus on the bigger picture here.” In late October, Rush signed a letter co-authored by Representatives Rashida Tlaib and Earl Blumenauer, which read, “We will not support any legislation that extends Section 215’s sunset date if it fails to contain robust reforms that protect innocent people from unjust surveillance.”
On Monday night, Amash submitted an amendment to strip the Patriot Act language from the budget bill, but the amendment was blocked by Democrats on the Rules Committee.
Just 10 Democrats defied the leadership to vote against the resolution, including Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar (a.k.a. “the Squad”). “I cannot in good conscience vote in favor of a [continuing resolution] that reauthorizes unconstitutional mass surveillance authorities,” Tlaib told me, “especially under a president who has retweeted images of his opponents jailed and suggests anyone who disagrees with him is a criminal.” AOC tweeted before the vote, “Yeah that’s gonna be a no from me dog.”
Ultimately, the funding bill passed 231-192, mostly on party lines.
Some advocates have questioned whether the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), which includes the Squad, should have done more to combat—or, at least, register its dissatisfaction with—the last-minute maneuver by Democratic leadership. On Wednesday morning, leaders of the CPC and the libertarian House Freedom Caucus circulated a joint letter on Capitol Hill calling for extensive reforms to the Patriot Act before it is reauthorized. But when it came time for the floor vote,
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I'm an equal opportunity critic when it comes to our politicians. Politicians have had to kiss alot of butts and make a lot of promises ... and raise a lot of money... by the time they get to Congress. Hardly a promising beginning for creating an honest Congress.
And then, having achieved some sort of pinnacle of power, it becomes awfully easy to bend the rules to meet your "needs" and eventually toss the rule book out altogether.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a lock on honesty, OR corruption. All that time in office often means that they have made some pretty comfortably feathered nests over the years, no matter which party they belong to.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Hold onto your shorts we're told. Watch out, the IG report is coming out. Well, it's out. Can you say no conspiracy to over throw the government? I can, I can say no conspiracy to over throw the government. No deep state found.
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Oh. So you read it already?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. So you read it already?
I watched the live hearings yesterday. Didn't you???
8 hours ago
Local 4 News at 11 -- Dec. 11, 2019
LIVE STREAM: House hearing on IG report on FBI, DOJ investigation of 2016 election
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lol
No. Not interested in the least.
They sell you any boner pills?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by THG:
OK sig kiki Jack and or rappy; how many FISA warrants did the FBI screw up in the Russia investigation? Did they get any right?
Waiting...
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Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp.
So, they screwed up all of them.
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Quote:That
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp.
So, they screwed up all of them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That...
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp.
So, they screwed up all of them.
... is an extremely over simplified assumption made by someone who makes wildly general, mostly emotional and uneducated statements.
fify
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/a-lot-of-the-steele-dossie
r-has-since-been-corroborated.html
"One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent, and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. Even if it is largely false, the Kremlin still benefits from the confusion, uncertainty and political churn created by the resulting fallout. In any regard, the administration could help cauterize the damage by being honest, transparent and assisting those looking into the matter. Sadly, the president has done the opposite, ensuring a Russian win no matter what. In any event, I would suspect the Russians will look to muddy the waters and spread false and misleading information to confuse investigators and public officials.
As things stand, both investigators and voters will have to examine the information in their possession and make sense of it as best they can. Professional investigators can marry the report with human and signals intelligence, they can look at call records, travel records, interview people mentioned in the report, solicit assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena records and tie it to subsequent events that can shed light on the various details. We, on the other hand, will have to do our best to validate the information at hand. Looking at new information through the framework outlined in the Steele document is not a bad place to start."
I love how Trumpers try and protect their lord by crying "Trump was spied on!" as opposed to the more accurate, "he had so much Russian stink on him it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate him." It's called the Federal Bureau of Investigationafter all.
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I would expect nothing else from a chronic sufferer of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect to apply the same faulty logic to a falsified report that says stuff that he just happens to want it to say that he does to the media in general.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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House Judiciary just voted to approve two articles of impeachment against Trump.
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House Judiciary just voted to approve two articles of impeachment against Trump.
Every step closer to the cliff ....
There was a speech given by a Mexican President many years ago
"Last year, we stood on the edge of a precipice. This year, we have taken a giant step forward" That phrase comes unbidden to mind when I think about this impeachment. It probably won't be as disasterous for the Dems as it was for the Repubs when they impeached Bill Clinton, but it will certainly lead to losses.
Also, the timing is screwy. Assuming that the Senate votes this down either slowly, with much testimony (my preferred route, but unlikely) or in one day, this leaves Trump the entire 2020 campaign season to respond.
Now, I'm sure that the Dems, the deep state, and their ever-cooperative M$M will dream up ever-more outlandish fake scandals to dog Trump with from now until 2024, but most people have gotten wise to what they're doing, and bored of it by now. It's a strategy that's going to fail.
The funny thing is, there's a lot to criticize Trump about. I don't mean irrelevant shit like extramarital sex or the color of his skin, I mean REAL stuff like the Federal deficit, the trade deficit, our continuing military engagement abroad, and his inability to jumpstart manufacturing. If the Dems focused on THAT, they'd be further ahead.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp.
So, they screwed up all of them.
SIGNY: That...
CC: ... is an extremely over simplified assumption made by someone who makes wildly general, mostly emotional and uneducated statements.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/a-lot-of-the-steele-dossie
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"One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent, and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. Even if it is largely false, the Kremlin still benefits from the confusion, uncertainty and political churn created by the resulting fallout. In any regard, the administration could help cauterize the damage by being honest, transparent and assisting those looking into the matter. Sadly, the president has done the opposite, ensuring a Russian win no matter what. In any event, I would suspect the Russians will look to muddy the waters and spread false and misleading information to confuse investigators and public officials.
As things stand, both investigators and voters will have to examine the information in their possession and make sense of it as best they can. Professional investigators can marry the report with human and signals intelligence, they can look at call records, travel records, interview people mentioned in the report, solicit assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena records and tie it to subsequent events that can shed light on the various details. We, on the other hand, will have to do our best to validate the information at hand. Looking at new information through the framework outlined in the Steele document is not a bad place to start."
I love how Trumpers try and protect their lord by crying "Trump was spied on!" as opposed to the more accurate, "he had so much Russian stink on him it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate him." It's called the Federal Bureau of Investigationafter all.
If "Russia" was the problem, then "Russia" should have been investigated, which would have properly involved only the CIA and NSA. But THIS "investigation" was framed around "collusion" with Russia, and the FIB investigated the TRUMP CAMPAIGN, based on a bogus document. Investigating "Russia" and investigating the Trump campaign are two entirely separate things involving entirely separate agencies, which you're conflating to justify one with the other.
And to reiterate my previous point, even after all those
Quote:what did they find?
human and signals intelligence, ... call records, travel records, interview[s] ... assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena[s]...[and] subsequent events
ZILCH
NIL
NADA
You're all hot to have had Trump "investigated" even while he was campaigning, based on phony documents, but should the same thing happen to Biden on the basis of actual evidence, you make a Federal case about it. Literally.
Seems very much like an attempt to subvert democracy - on your part. Between you and the other slavering TDSers, in cooperation with the deep state and the M$M you're doing more damage to our democracy than Russia could ever do.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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