Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Quote:Worse, there is REAL corruption in the Biden's dealings with Ukraine (as opposed to the phantasmic fever dreams about Trump and Russia) and if the House votes to impeach and this goes to the Senate, this will come out. Maybe this was the wrong hill for which to commit suicide.
The Democrats themselves aren't helping matters either with their impeachment over nothing. They blew their load way too early and chose the entirely wrong hill to die on. This is one of the single biggest mistakes that the party as a whole has made, at least in my lifetime.- SIX
I wonder if the House will vote censure rather than impeachment, or if they've become such a pack of baying dogs they can't see the potential trap.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
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An institutional setup where the president needs 60 senate votes to pass a law, 50 senate votes to confirm an ambassador to Peru, but only 34 senate votes to enjoy impunity for law-breaking seems flawed.
Almost everywhere it has been implemented, the Madisonian system has ultimately failed, ending in presidential autocracy. All of the tools are now in place for the US to fail as well. If Trump doesn’t succeed in a second term, then the Sulla or Caesar who ends our republican experiment is alive now and has learned the necessary lessons. All that is missing is their competent and strategic implementation.
The bottom line is: provided a President has 34 Senators and a majority of the Supreme Court who will back him, he can do anything he wants. And I’m not even sure the Supreme Court majority is necessary. If Trump were to defy the Supreme Court about, e.g., his tax returns, who exactly is going to force him to obey? The voters? Perhaps not.
Conservative columnist Rich Lowry has flat-out stated, in essence, that he would prefer a Trump who tramples on the Constitution but appoints judges who will outlaw abortion to a presidential candidate who believes in the rule of law. Which makes the point that “If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
While winning in 2020 is essential, simply going back to “normal” isn’t going to do the trick. The Constitutional fabric of a President being constrained by the law has been rent. Shoring up and repairing the weak points via updating the Constitution about things like the Presidential veto, emergency powers, appointments to legislative bureaucracies, lame duck sessions of Congress, gerrymandering, and the right to vote are all necessary, even if they appear to be a superhuman lift.
https://angrybearblog.com/2019/12/live-blogging-the-end-of-the-republi
c.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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First you were whining about the Electoral College. Now you're whining about how many Senate votes it takes to convict and remove a President (among other things). "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments…[but] no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3).
You really dislike the US Constitution, don't you?
You know, if you dislike it so much, why don't you go live somewhere else that's constructed more to your liking?
Flies shit.
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Quote:I didn't like the Vietnam War, either. But I didn't move to North Vietnam. Instead I joined the US Army. Then when I got a close and very personal look at how Richard Nixon was fighting it, I really, really did not like it: an enormous Republican engineered fiasco that the voters back in my Texas supported to the bitter end.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
First you were whining about the Electoral College. Now you're whining about how many Senate votes it takes to convict and remove a President (among other things). "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments…[but] no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3).
You really dislike the US Constitution, don't you?
You know, if you dislike it so much, why don't you go live somewhere else that's constructed more to your liking?
When it came time to write out the articles of impeachment, Nixon's war strategy almost became one article. But the House of Representatives was happy to keep the impeachment focused on a third-rate burglary that didn't actually steal anything, a burglary where Richard Nixon was not even at the Watergate on the night of the burglary attempt.
What the House of Representatives never knew is that Nixon, before he was elected, used his influence to keep the War going so that he would have the best possible situation to be elected and then, four years later, reelected: "When Candidate Nixon Conspired With a Foreign Power to Win An Election"
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-con
spired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461
It took decades to unravel Nixon’s sabotage of Vietnam peace talks. Now, the full story can be told.
I really love-love-love Nixon and all those wonderful people back in Texas who supported the Vietnam War without ever understanding why we lost: the War's unstated purpose was to keep Nixon in the White House. Very successfully, the War did -- anti-war candidate George McGovern was crushed by the huge number of Nixon's war supporters/voters who were in true love with war. Unfortunately, there was that third-rate burglary at the Watergate which messed up a perfectly workable plan. If only the burglars had not been caught by the Security guard, Nixon would have not resigned. "THIS DAY IN HISTORY: JUNE 17 1972 Watergate burglars arrested"
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/watergate-burglars-arrested-2
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I didn't like the Vietnam War, either. But I didn't move to North Vietnam.
Whatever.
I'm just pointing out that you seem really, REALLY unhappy with how the US was set up. Yanno what they used to say - 'love it or leave it'.
But maybe I should have called you a Russian troll instead. You seem AWFULLY critical of the US. And by YOUR standards, that seems to be all it takes to be called one.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Worse, there is REAL corruption in the Biden's dealings with Ukraine (as opposed to the phantasmic fever dreams about Trump and Russia) and if the House votes to impeach and this goes to the Senate, this will come out. Maybe this was the wrong hill for which to commit suicide.
The Democrats themselves aren't helping matters either with their impeachment over nothing. They blew their load way too early and chose the entirely wrong hill to die on. This is one of the single biggest mistakes that the party as a whole has made, at least in my lifetime.- SIX
I wonder if the House will vote censure rather than impeachment, or if they've become such a pack of baying dogs they can't see the potential trap.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
Yup. This is a terrible thing for the Democrats in general.
Not only is Trump going to walk away from it unscathed, but it helps to assure that he gets reelected in 2020 and might have some unintended other backfirings as well.
Nancy Pelosi made a terrible mistake when she let Trump push her into officially going forward with it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I've noticed that Trump defenders cannot understand the subtleties of Nixon's wrong doing. Maybe that is why Trump defenders cannot understand what Trump did wrong? This one particular Nixon secret had huge consequences with millions of deaths. And it took historians a very long time to prove what Nixon had done in secret. May I once again direct your attention to that article: "It took decades to unravel Nixon’s sabotage of Vietnam peace talks. Now, the full story can be told."
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
I didn't like the Vietnam War, either. But I didn't move to North Vietnam.
Whatever.
I'm just pointing out that you seem really, REALLY unhappy with how the US was set up. Yanno what they used to say - 'love it or leave it'.
But maybe I should have called you a Russian troll instead. You seem AWFULLY critical of the US. And by YOUR standards, that seems to be all it takes to be called one.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-con
spired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I've noticed that Trump defenders cannot understand the subtleties of Nixon's wrong doing. Maybe that is why Trump defenders cannot understand what Trump did wrong? This one particular Nixon secret had huge consequences with millions of deaths. And it took historians a very long time to prove what Nixon had done in secret. May I once again direct your attention to that article: "It took decades to unravel Nixon’s sabotage of Vietnam peace talks. Now, the full story can be told."
You are way over thinking this second. Giving to much credit to your antagonisers. Even when the evidence shows Joe Biden did nothing wrong the trolls here refuse to accept any of it.
Even when Clinton is cleared of any wrongdoing pertaining to Benghazi. After many different investigations, they won't accept her innocence.
They know the difference between right and wrong. It just matters to them what side is being accused before they'll determine guilt or innocence. Or what Putin' agenda is, America bad; so they can formulate their opinions based on that. Then to others it's simply about supporting their white supremacist clan leader.
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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I've noticed that Trump defenders cannot understand the subtleties of Nixon's wrong doing. Maybe that is why Trump defenders cannot understand what Trump did wrong?
You are way over thinking this second. Giving to much credit to your antagonisers. Even when the evidence shows Joe Biden did nothing wrong the trolls here refuse to accept any of it.
Even when Clinton is cleared of any wrongdoing pertaining to Benghazi. After many different investigations, they won't accept her innocence.
They know the difference between right and wrong. It just matters to them what side is being accused before they'll determine guilt or innocence. Or what Putin' agenda is, America bad; so they can formulate their opinions based on that. Then to others it's what Trump, their white supremacist clan leader says.
Totally, T. There's very little actual thinking going on for defenders of Trump. Mostly just variations on, "No he didn't," to outright fabrications they hope will stick (anything Gaetz and Nunes cook up), or repeats of "What about Clinton, Obama, Deep State..." plus being overly defensive, name calling, all of it over and over. There's really nothing you can appeal to intelligence-wise that will make them see the light since they don't give a sh*t about the light. I'm guessing they know Trump is a lying sack of sh*t who cheats all the time and is starting to loose his mind. They just hate the boogey man even more (Dems, libs, anyone who might be getting more than they feel they are entitled to), or just having a rooting interest other than the US.
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Quote:You are telling me that Trump voters do NOT understand the rule of law, that the rules are the same for everybody. I noticed that among my employees. The Trump lovers think they are somebody extra-special but they are really a bunch of bastards: mean as hell to the employees who don't support Trump. The Confederates had the same behavior pattern: mean as hell to slaves and abolitionists, puffed up with pride in themselves, but no believable reasons to be so proud. They are just ordinary people with a superiority complex or grandiose delusions.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I've noticed that Trump defenders cannot understand the subtleties of Nixon's wrong doing. Maybe that is why Trump defenders cannot understand what Trump did wrong?
You are way over thinking this second. Giving to much credit to your antagonisers. Even when the evidence shows Joe Biden did nothing wrong the trolls here refuse to accept any of it.
Even when Clinton is cleared of any wrongdoing pertaining to Benghazi. After many different investigations, they won't accept her innocence.
They know the difference between right and wrong. It just matters to them what side is being accused before they'll determine guilt or innocence. Or what Putin' agenda is, America bad; so they can formulate their opinions based on that. Then to others it's what Trump, their white supremacist clan leader says.
Totally, T. There's very little actual thinking going on for defenders of Trump. Mostly just variations on, "No he didn't," to outright fabrications they hope will stick (anything Gaetz and Nunes cook up), or repeats of "What about Clinton, Obama, Deep State..." plus being overly defensive, name calling, all of it over and over. There's really nothing you can appeal to intelligence-wise that will make them see the light since they don't give a sh*t about the light. I'm guessing they know Trump is a lying sack of sh*t who cheats all the time and is starting to loose his mind. They just hate the boogey man even more (Dems, libs, anyone who might be getting more than they feel they are entitled to), or just having a rooting interest other than the US.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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