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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:41 PM

The New York Times reported later Monday that the CIA’s Russian informant was instrumental to the agency’s conclusion that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered and orchestrated the campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

The Times said the source was “the American government’s best insight into the thinking of and orders” from Putin, and was key to the CIA’s assessment that Putin favored Donald Trump’s candidacy and personally ordered the hacking of the Democratic National Committee.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/possible-ex-russian-spy-cia-living-washin
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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:10 PM

And I believe what the CIA tells me ...


Yanno, Donald Trump's campaign was being spied on IN REAL TIME, while Trump was still campaigning and his staff subject to a number of "dangles", and they didn't find anything then. Then Mueller looked into every possible angle of Trump-Russia "collusion" after-the-fact and he STILL didn't find anything. It's too bad that Mueller didn't see fit to actually interview Assange, who could TELL HIM WHERE THE FILES CAME FROM. But I think Mueller didn't actually want to unearth exculpatory evidence; there were several obvious threads that he SHOULD have followed, but refused to. And if this source was exfiltrated in July 2017, why didn't Mueller point to it as evidence?


This whole story? There are several interpretations

1) Another bogus story from yet-another anonymous source.
2) A bogus "asset". The "asset" was feeding our intelligence agencies what they wanted to hear in exchange for a ticket to the USA.
3) Real info.

Color me skeptical.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:38 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

My only question is why Russia has become such a thing for 6. He’s constantly bringing it up. You don’t suppose he's joined the mailing list do you?



I honestly think he thinks Sig is just trying to be his friend and that she's being persecuted for her views so he's trying to show her he's sorta with her agenda.

There is definitely a pattern of him going with opposing views just because they are the opposing view because he thinks it makes him an intellectual rogue, when he really just can't tell for himself which side of an issue is the dumb one.



Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "

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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And I believe what the CIA tells me ...


Yanno, Donald Trump's campaign was being spied on IN REAL TIME, while Trump was still campaigning and his staff subject to a number of "dangles", and they didn't find anything then. Then Mueller looked into every possible angle of Trump-Russia "collusion" after-the-fact and he STILL didn't find anything. It's too bad that Mueller didn't see fit to actually interview Assange, who could TELL HIM WHERE THE FILES CAME FROM. But I think Mueller didn't actually want to unearth exculpatory evidence; there were several obvious threads that he SHOULD have followed, but refused to. And if this source was exfiltrated in July 2017, why didn't Mueller point to it as evidence?

Assange could lie to Mueller. There was no way for Mueller to punish Assange for completely fabricating whatever story best amused Assange. Then Putin said Russia didn't interfere with American elections. Again, Mueller couldn't punish Putin for lying in the most amusing ways. Then Trump backed Putin on that. And Trump also fired FBI Director Comey because Comey didn't take Putin at his word about not interfering with the election. The previous FBI Director, Mueller, was called in to continue what Comey started. Again, there was no way for Mueller to punish Trump for lying in the silliest imaginable ways, same as Assange and Putin being nonpunishable by Mueller.

www.lawfareblog.com/documents-related-mueller-investigation

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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:50 PM

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Assange could lie to Mueller


Of course he could. ANYone could lie to Mueller ... even this CIA "asset" could be lying. That's why you would look for EVIDENCE ... which BTW the FBI completely failed to do with the DNC server.

Maybe Assange has the original thumb drive. Maybe he has a signed affidavit. Nothing Wikileaks has ever published has been found to be falsified, clearly there is some verification process at work! But, we won't know ... will we? ... because Mueller never went down one of the most obvious investigatory paths.

It's ridiculous .... you trust in the most woo-woo statements from a press that has spread proven lies in the past... and an agency that has provably lied in the past, and you overlook the most obvious avenues of getting real information. You also fail to apply the most rudimentary logic to what you read/hear and fail to scan for inconsistencies, incompleteness, and cui bono?.

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And Trump also fired FBI Director Comey because Comey didn't take Putin at his word about not interfering with the election. -SLOPPY
This is what KIKI calls "mindreading" at its worst. If I were to speculate why Comey was fired it was because Comey lied to Trump bald-faced, telling Trump that he was not under investigation while running a covert op/leak campaign against him. In my book, that should be enought to get anbody fired. Jeez, you're tool.


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Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

My only question is why Russia has become such a thing for 6. He’s constantly bringing it up. You don’t suppose he's joined the mailing list do you?



I honestly think he thinks Sig is just trying to be his friend and that she's being persecuted for her views so he's trying to show her he's sorta with her agenda.

There is definitely a pattern of him going with opposing views just because they are the opposing view because he thinks it makes him an intellectual rogue, when he really just can't tell for himself which side of an issue is the dumb one.



Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "



This is called people being normal human beings.

We actually have, yanno, personalities and we regularly interact with each other about non political things and real life stuff we actually have control over.

Unlike the little political circle jerk you guys got going on when you pile on other people together because the only thing you have in common is your authoritarian political points of view.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Assange could lie to Mueller


Of course he could. ANYone could lie to Mueller ... even this CIA "asset" could be lying. That's why you would look for EVIDENCE ... which BTW the FBI completely failed to do with the DNC server.

Maybe Assange has the original thumb drive. Maybe he has a signed affidavit. Nothing Wikileaks has ever published has been found to be falsified, clearly there is some verification process at work! But, we won't know ... will we? ... because Mueller never went down one of the most obvious investigatory paths.

It's ridiculous .... you trust in the most woo-woo statements from a press that has spread proven lies in the past... and an agency that has provably lied in the past, and you overlook the most obvious avenues of getting real information. You also fail to apply the most rudimentary logic to what you read/hear and fail to scan for inconsistencies, incompleteness, and cui bono?.

Quote:

And Trump also fired FBI Director Comey because Comey didn't take Putin at his word about not interfering with the election. -SLOPPY
This is what KIKI calls "mindreading" at its worst. If I were to speculate why Comey was fired it was because Comey lied to Trump bald-faced, telling Trump that he was not under investigation while running a covert op/leak campaign against him. In my book, that should be enought to get anbody fired. Jeez, you're tool.

This is why Trump's income tax returns make him more vulnerable than anything about Russia. And he and his accountants won't be able to lie their way out of paying what Trump owes.

There are actual numbers on file with the IRS for what Trump paid all the way back to when he was a baby. And it is possible for forensic accountants who usually work on bankruptcies and divorces to calculate what Trump should have paid. It is almost like Science!

About 80% of Americans are opposed to tax cheating, especially by Presidents. Check what happened to Nixon. Despite Trump promising he would make his tax returns available to the public, he is using the power of Presidency to prevent the numbers filed with IRS from ever being known to Congress because, if those were known, even some Trump lovers would fall out of love with Trump.

I'm personally familiar with how easy (AND 100% PROFITABLE!) it is for tax cheating American One-Percenters to not get caught. They aren't the President, so they don't worry much about the IRS, or Congress, or the New York Times showing interest in their tax-cheating. I'm sure that Trump did cheat, but until those IRS numbers are known, most Americans won't be sure. Most Americans will never be sure about Russiagate because everybody is lying about everything. They can be sure about Trump's tax-cheating, it will be a number measured in dollars, but only after Trump's tax returns are made available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Assange could lie to Mueller


Of course he could. ANYone could lie to Mueller ... even this CIA "asset" could be lying. That's why you would look for EVIDENCE ... which BTW the FBI completely failed to do with the DNC server.

Maybe Assange has the original thumb drive. Maybe he has a signed affidavit. Nothing Wikileaks has ever published has been found to be falsified, clearly there is some verification process at work! But, we won't know ... will we? ... because Mueller never went down one of the most obvious investigatory paths.

It's ridiculous .... you trust in the most woo-woo statements from a press that has spread proven lies in the past... and an agency that has provably lied in the past, and you overlook the most obvious avenues of getting real information. You also fail to apply the most rudimentary logic to what you read/hear and fail to scan for inconsistencies, incompleteness, and cui bono?.

Quote:

And Trump also fired FBI Director Comey because Comey didn't take Putin at his word about not interfering with the election. -SLOPPY
This is what KIKI calls "mindreading" at its worst. If I were to speculate why Comey was fired it was because Comey lied to Trump bald-faced, telling Trump that he was not under investigation while running a covert op/leak campaign against him. In my book, that should be enought to get anbody fired. Jeez, you're tool.

This is why Trump's income tax returns make him more vulnerable than anything about Russia. And he and his accountants won't be able to lie their way out of paying what Trump owes.

There are actual numbers on file with the IRS for what Trump paid all the way back to when he was a baby. And it is possible for forensic accountants who usually work on bankruptcies and divorces to calculate what Trump should have paid. It is almost like Science!

About 80% of Americans are opposed to tax cheating, especially by Presidents. Check what happened to Nixon. Despite Trump promising he would make his tax returns available to the public, he is using the power of Presidency to prevent the numbers filed with IRS from ever being known to Congress because, if those were known, even some Trump lovers would fall out of love with Trump.

I'm personally familiar with how easy (AND 100% PROFITABLE!) it is for tax cheating American One-Percenters to not get caught. They aren't the President, so they don't worry much about the IRS, or Congress, or the New York Times showing interest in their tax-cheating. I'm sure that Trump did cheat, but until those IRS numbers are known, most Americans won't be sure. Most Americans will never be sure about Russiagate because everybody is lying about everything. They can be sure about Trump's tax-cheating, it will be a number measured in dollars, but only after Trump's tax returns are made available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Great. Like I've said before, he ain't my daddy.

I like how things are going now though, compared to the previous administrations 8 years. So I'm in no hurry to see his tax returns for the next 5 years.

After that, by all means, lock up the entire Trump family in the same cell that was supposed to be housing the Clinton family today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:08 AM

Double post...

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Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:07 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Great. Like I've said before, he ain't my daddy.

I like how things are going now though, compared to the previous administrations 8 years. So I'm in no hurry to see his tax returns for the next 5 years.

After that, by all means, lock up the entire Trump family in the same cell that was supposed to be housing the Clinton family today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Russiagate has political questions: Is it serious enough to jail Trump? Or only serious enough to switch in Pence and allow Trump to go back to his annual tax cheating? The Republican Senators and Trump voters don't want to ask the questions. But tax cheating is not political and does not necessarily mean jail for Trump. It could simply mean . . . Trump finally pays what he always owed. I think he'd be a better President if he'd just pay and stop the constant lying about everything, including where his tax returns are, whether he promised to make the returns available, did the Russians help him get elected, will he balance the budget, hurricanes (not) in Alabama, and the Clintons.



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