If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim...
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-tra
nscript.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-goal-for-new
-york-times-reframe-american-history-and-target-trump-too
NYT is the fucking Enquirer for pink haired weirdos.
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Oh... and in case you were wondering, the NYT decided to scrap its 1619 page. Too much wokeness and a fear of brokeness, perhaps?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html
It doesn't work.
Thank god we have the internet archive so you can read about how 1619 was the true founding of the country...
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050032/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html
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The 1619 Project The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Orange Man Bad!
White Man Bad!
lol
Racists.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.
There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.
And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.
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History is full of mass migrations, usually prompted by scarcity. The Mongols and the Huns swept across Europe. Homo sapiens took over from Neanderthal and Denisovans, and peoples we don't even know about yet. The ORIGINAL original inhabitants of the Americas were not your ancestors but aborigines more like Australian aborigines. They were later overtaken by Asiatics (your ancestors) and killed off.
It's possible to have a "founding" of something new, even in a mileu where the old exists. You can "found" a new company in a milieu of companies. You can "found" a new nation in a milieu of older nations. "Founding" doesn't mean "found" it means "to begin for enduring existence". So "founding" is the correct term.
But in any case, blame the NYT for its selective focus on blacks in USA history.
We can't undo history. That would mean sending the Mongols back to Asia, an the Asiatics back to Siberia etc. What we CAN do is try not to repeat the same process. The world is filled up. There is no "empty" land to migrate to, and we now have worlwide knowldege of who is there before us. So, no more genocides and no more mass migrations because SOMEbody is going to get trampled in the process.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:6ix, it does work, but you need to open it in, for example Google Chrome browser, because you made too many changes in NOT saving cookies on Firefox browser in order to get around the New York Times subscription barrier.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in case you were wondering, the NYT decided to scrap its 1619 page. Too much wokeness and a fear of brokeness, perhaps?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html
It doesn't work.
Thank god we have the internet archive so you can read about how 1619 was the true founding of the country...
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050032/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html
I suggest you open an Incognito window in Chrome with this address:
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.h
tml
The articles are harmless:
The United States makes about nine million tons of sugar annually, ranking it sixth in global production. The United States sugar industry receives as much as $4 billion in annual subsidies in the form of price supports, guaranteed crop loans, tariffs and regulated imports of foreign sugar, which by some estimates is about half the price per pound of domestic sugar. Louisiana’s sugar-cane industry is by itself worth $3 billion, generating an estimated 16,400 jobs.
A vast majority of that domestic sugar stays in this country, with an additional two to three million tons imported each year. Americans consume as much as 77.1 pounds of sugar and related sweeteners per person per year, according to United States Department of Agriculture data. That’s nearly twice the limit the department recommends, based on a 2,000-calorie diet.
Sugar has been linked in the United States to diabetes, obesity and cancer. If it is killing all of us, it is killing black people faster. Over the last 30 years, the rate of Americans who are obese or overweight grew 27 percent among all adults, to 71 percent from 56 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control, with African-Americans overrepresented in the national figures. During the same period, diabetes rates overall nearly tripled. Among black non-Hispanic women, they are nearly double those of white non-Hispanic women, and one and a half times higher for black men than white men.
None of this — the extraordinary mass commodification of sugar, its economic might and outsize impact on the American diet and health — was in any way foreordained, or even predictable, when Christopher Columbus made his second voyage across the Atlantic Ocean in 1493, bringing sugar-cane stalks with him from the Spanish Canary Islands. In Europe at that time, refined sugar was a luxury product, the backbreaking toil and dangerous labor required in its manufacture an insuperable barrier to production in anything approaching bulk. It seems reasonable to imagine that it might have remained so if it weren’t for the establishment of an enormous market in enslaved laborers who had no way to opt out of the treacherous work.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814065703/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/sugar-slave-trade-slavery.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I probably deviated too far from the first post with the second post.
Did anybody read about the leaked NYT meeting where Russia isn't selling papers and memberships anymore so they need to change tack and go after Trump for racism.
There was also an article the NYT put out that had a pro Trump message on it but NYT readers flamed them for it so they kept the article essentially the same but re-spun the title to instead slam trump. I'll have to dig up that article and the archived version.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.
There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.
And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.
For lack of a better word, this is problematic.
"History" is written and taught by the winners. This is also problematic.
I've talked in here before about how much I resent my education, and I can't quite decide what I resent more. Is it the fact that 12 years of school in America squanders youth and hardly teaches you anything valuable for being a self sufficient adult, going so far as to teach an outdated system of measurement that cripples the minds of the students in a global economy? Or is it that we can't believe anything we read about our so-called past because it was written like a Cohen Brother's movie only following actual events in the loosest terms possible but told as if it were the Truth.
I mean, I understand why they would do this... regarding "History", not the crippling of the minds of the youth through bad math.
But if you're going to teach millions of kids a lie while they're growing up, you better goddamned well keep that lie going. Otherwise, you get millions of adults who don't believe in anything anymore. It's like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real and your parents lied to you.
So the period of white-washing history in America is over. Post white-washing, we're going to see black-washing that is no doubt going to be laced with a lot of anti-white propaganda that I feel will only strengthen the divide between cultures in the US.
And yes, it does appear that we'll be completely ignoring the natives again in this new phase of re-writing the history books. Because the cold hard facts are there aren't enough of them still here to matter to the powers that be, and most of the states they live in their votes essentially do not matter.
I don't know what the answer is.
Anything we write and teach is going to be lies, no matter who writes it and who teaches it.
In light of that, why don't we just fabricate something nice that makes everybody look good?
I mean, we'll know that it's bullshit, but maybe our great-grandchildren won't.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.
There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.
And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.
For lack of a better word, this is problematic.
"History" is written and taught by the winners. This is also problematic.
I've talked in here before about how much I resent my education, and I can't quite decide what I resent more. Is it the fact that 12 years of school in America squanders youth and hardly teaches you anything valuable for being a self sufficient adult, going so far as to teach an outdated system of measurement that cripples the minds of the students in a global economy? Or is it that we can't believe anything we read about our so-called past because it was written like a Cohen Brother's movie only following actual events in the loosest terms possible but told as if it were the Truth.
I mean, I understand why they would do this... regarding "History", not the crippling of the minds of the youth through bad math.
But if you're going to teach millions of kids a lie while they're growing up, you better goddamned well keep that lie going. Otherwise, you get millions of adults who don't believe in anything anymore. It's like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real and your parents lied to you.
So the period of white-washing history in America is over. Post white-washing, we're going to see black-washing that is no doubt going to be laced with a lot of anti-white propaganda that I feel will only strengthen the divide between cultures in the US.
And yes, it does appear that we'll be completely ignoring the natives again in this new phase of re-writing the history books. Because the cold hard facts are there aren't enough of them still here to matter to the powers that be, and most of the states they live in their votes essentially do not matter.
I don't know what the answer is.
Anything we write and teach is going to be lies, no matter who writes it and who teaches it.
In light of that, why don't we just fabricate something nice that makes everybody look good?
I mean, we'll know that it's bullshit, but maybe our great-grandchildren won't.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Known for years that history is written by the victors.
And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I probably deviated too far from the first post with the second post.
Did anybody read about the leaked NYT meeting where Russia isn't selling papers and memberships anymore so they need to change tack and go after Trump for racism.
There was also an article the NYT put out that had a pro Trump message on it but NYT readers flamed them for it so they kept the article essentially the same but re-spun the title to instead slam trump. I'll have to dig up that article and the archived version.
F*cksake - it never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant people are when it comes to HOW media works.. First it was Signuts, then Kiki and now you (though you 3 are not alone). It's like, "Huh? It's not fair? Money? What?"
You even quoted the big clue: "...Russia isn't selling papers..."
GUESS WHAT? Here's where your brain locks up: what they said doesn't mean Russia is fake or didn't happen or Trump isn't Putin's c-holster. It means it's not selling papers. Just what they said. Further, it means: they are a business and need to make money in this super competitive gig-economy where's there's even more players. Russia isn't the only story, right?
Let me know when you understand that basic principle and I'll blow your mind with how it connects to what you call "censorship." Unless of course you can figure it out on your own.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Known for years that history is written by the victors.
And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.
Not just white society anymore, Brenda, was my point.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
F*cksake - it never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant people are when it comes to HOW media works.. First it was Signuts, then Kiki and now you (though you 3 are not alone). It's like, "Huh? It's not fair? Money? What?"
You even quoted the big clue: "...Russia isn't selling papers..."
GUESS WHAT? Here's where your brain locks up: what they said doesn't mean Russia is fake or didn't happen or Trump isn't Putin's c-holster. It means it's not selling papers. Just what they said. Further, it means: they are a business and need to make money in this super competitive gig-economy where's there's even more players. Russia isn't the only story, right?
Let me know when you understand that basic principle and I'll blow your mind with how it connects to what you call "censorship." Unless of course you can figure it out on your own.
No shit, sherlock.
This somehow makes things okay in your pea brain?
Journalism is dead. It has been since they began catering to an audience and editorializing the fuck out of everything and conveniently leaving out, yanno, the facts, because they get in the way of subscriptions. On top of this, they don't even bother to let you know that these pieces are editorial opinion pieces and they present them to their idiot readers as factual.
This is why you'll get two entirely different bullshit stories of an event after the fact if you read about them on CNN and Fox News.
The journalistic integrity of the people working for these sham outfits is on par with celebrity trash rags.
You might be okay with this. I'm not.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit, sherlock.
So why are your feelz so out of joint? Did mommy promise you something else?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This somehow makes things okay in your pea brain?
What "things" geenious.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Journalism is dead.
lol When was the last time you even read a paper? Or an article in a paper. Did you even read the article you linked?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
On top of this, they don't even bother to let you know that these pieces are editorial opinion pieces and they present them to their idiot readers as factual.
This is why you'll get two entirely different bullshit stories of an event after the fact if you read about them on CNN and Fox News.
It's really easy: One's the truth and the other is Fox's.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The journalistic integrity of the people working for these sham outfits is on par with celebrity trash rags.
You might be okay with this. I'm not.
Nap time for 6!
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
It's really easy: One's the truth and the other is Fox's.
Idiot quote of the year.
Congrats.
This is what we're dealing with here folks.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Idiot quote of the year.
Just for you.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is what we're dealing with here folks.
So when was the last time you read a newspaper?
Did you even read the article that you posted?
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6ix wrote: “If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Racism”
The NYTimes also did stories on Trump’s tax cheating.
Trump has said he paid all his taxes. The NYTimes looked into Trump’s taxes. He Cheated. Did the IRS investigate based on what the Times discovered? The IRS Did Not. What should the NYTimes do? Make it a headline 7 days a week for the next 6 months that "Trump Falsely Claims He Paid All His Taxes When The Times Knows He Cheated"? That kind of headline would make it very clear what Trump has done.
But is it the job of the NYTimes to prosecute Trump for tax cheating when the IRS won’t do its job? Nope, the NYTimes does only the news. It does not enforce the law. And it won’t keep reporting the same story over and over that Trump Cheated.
Does that mean Trump is not a tax-cheating crook? Trump thinks it does. And gullible fools who are voters might believe Trump is not a crook because he wasn’t convicted. Except he is still a crook. He is a crook that wasn’t even investigated by the IRS to prove it. There is no way for the NYTimes to force the IRS to investigate. That is not the NYTimes’ job. The NYTimes is not that powerful.
Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
Oct 2, 2018 President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,...
Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Losses www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.
html
May 7, 2019 - Donald J. Trump in 1986, during a tumultuous period of his career marked by... But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a .... in dubious tax schemes, including instances of outright fraud.
Trump Is a Bad Businessman. Is He a Tax Cheat, Too?
www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/opinion/trump-tax-returns.html
May 10, 2019 - His former attorney Michael Cohen effectively suggested during his congressional testimony that Mr. Trump engaged in tax fraud ...
11 Takeaways From The Times's Investigation Into Trump's Wealth
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-wealth-fred-trump.
html
Oct 2, 2018 President Trump received today's equivalent of over $400 million from the real estate empire of... But an investigation by The New York Times has revealed that Donald Trump ...
A Former Business Partner Alleges the Trumps Evaded Taxes in Panama
www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/business/trump-panama-hotel-tax-evasion.htm
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Jun 3, 2019 - The owners of a luxury hotel in Panama City that ousted the Trump Organization as property managers last year accused it on Monday of…
As the Trumps Dodged Taxes, Their Tenants Paid a Price
www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/us/politics/trump-tenants-taxes.html
When Trump's tax cheating goes to trial, there will be another NYTimes story. But the NYTimes has to wait for the IRS to get its ass in gear before writing that story.
When Trump is found guilty, there will be another NYTimes story. The NYTimes already knows Trump is as guilty as hell today, but it has to wait for the jury to decide sometime in the distant future before writing the story.
When Trump appeals his conviction, there will be another NYTimes story.
When Trump pays or goes to jail for tax evasion, there will be another NYTimes story.
The NYTimes can't write the story before the IRS makes it happen and the Times can't force the IRS to take action.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Known for years that history is written by the victors.
And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.
Not just white society anymore, Brenda, was my point.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
True enough Jack. True enough.
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If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim...
Well, I just assumed it was because the Mueller report didn't work out the way it was 'supposed' to. That kinda let the air outa all the tires.
So what's a major media outlet like the NYTimes supposed to do when a multi-year story they've been focusing on doesn't have a sequel?
Quote:What does "misjudged current events" mean? Delving into the story, I got that they built their newsroom to be full of wonks who could follow every little bit of minutia (imo sometimes of non-events, rumors, leaks, speculations, and opinions) ... to report on 'collusion' endlessly.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-tra
nscript.html
The closest Baquet came to identifying a moment when the paper had misjudged current events was when he described it as being “a little tiny bit flat-footed” after the Mueller investigation ended. “Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, ‘Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it,’” Baquet said. (Baquet - executive editor of The New York Times)
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Dean Baquet: [...] We had a couple of significant missteps [...] It got trickier after [inaudible] … went from being a story about whether the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and obstruction of justice [...] We built our newsroom to cover one story, and we did it truly well.
I have a problem with that description of the newsroom they built, and that is that it's editorializing what's supposed to be news by focusing on particular stories with a particular POV while ignoring / being silent on other equally important stories (like hey! what's going on in the rest of the world?), and excluding refuting / debunking news.
BTW, it's for that reason that I scan foreign news online. The myopic focus of the NYTimes and the WaPo on how Trump had / could have colluded with Russia not only slanted their 'news' on that topic, but drove out other equally, or more important, news.
But that's old news, so to speak. This current kerfuffle as far as I can tell, happened because of the headline "TRUMP URGES UNITY VS. RACISM".
Quote:And what is their new focus?
Dean Baquet: Now we have to regroup, and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story.
Quote:So we 'pivot' from automatically assuming that Trump colluded with Russia to automatically assuming he's racist?
By this account, the question of how to address presidential racism was a newly emerged one, something *the paper would need to pivot into*.
Quote:DOOD! Does that include economically marginalized deplorables in flyover country? Does it examine an economic system that's built on people having to compete with each other for survival? Maybe ...
Dean Baquet: [...] this one is a story about what it means to be an American in 2019. It is a story that requires deep investigation into people who peddle hatred, but it is also a story that requires imaginative use of all our muscles to write about race and class in a deeper way than we have in years. [...] We’ll also ask reporters to write more deeply about the country, race, and other divisions. I really want your help in navigating this story.
Quote:Perhaps this is a small moment of genuine self-reflection at the Times.
Dean Baquet: [...] that means trying to understand the segment of America that probably does not read us. The same newspaper that can publish a major story on Fox News [...] also has to talk to people who think immigration may cost them jobs and who oppose abortion on religious grounds.
But getting back to the headline that appears to be the cause of all this: "TRUMP URGES UNITY VS. RACISM". Apparently there was A LOT of pushback about the headline because people wanted to point out that Trump was a racist and didn't mean what he said. (It's hard to say.
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Quote:This happens with every story. Republicans have been whining about it and at war with the media since Vice President Spiro Agnew complained that the media are “nattering nabobs of negativity”.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So what's a major media outlet like the NYTimes supposed to do when a multi-year story they've been focusing on doesn't have a sequel?
www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Nabobs_natter_about_the_passing
_of_William_Safire_1929-2009.html
What was Agnew’s real problem? He was taking bribes while he was Vice President. He was not paying his income tax. He attacked the media, which was reporting on his bribes and his tax cheating. Agnew had been taking bribes since 1967, but it wasn’t until 1981 that he was convicted. Trump’s conviction will be just as slow and uncertain as Agnew’s. Here is the story, from the NYTimes:
A Maryland judge ruled today (April 28, 1981) that, despite his years of denials, Spiro T. Agnew took thousands of dollars in bribes from contractors while he was Governor of Maryland and Vice President.
The judge then ordered Mr. Agnew to repay the state $147,500 in kickbacks, with interest of $101,235, for a total of $248,735, money that Judge Bruce C. Williams of the Anne Arundel County Circuit Court held ''belongs to the people of Maryland.''
Mr. Agnew, now an international trade consultant in California, was not subpoenaed for the four-day civil trial because his lawyer, T. Rogers Harrison, announced that, if summoned, his client would invoke the Fifth Amendment protection against giving self-incriminating testimony. But the lawyer said today an appeal would be filed.
www.nytimes.com/1981/04/28/us/court-says-agnew-took-bribes-orders-repa
yment.html
The Times does not mention that Spiro Agnew resigned from the Vice Presidency in 1973 because of this crime, but he was not convicted until 1981. If Agnew had not been forced to resign, Agnew would have succeeded Nixon as President. Nixon did not wait for a judge to rule 8 years later that Agnew was guilty before Nixon booted Agnew out. Agnew may be "presumed innocent until proven guilty", but he was completely guilty in 1973, just as in 1981, after his trial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Criminal_investigation_and_r
esignation
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Addresses nothing that's salient.
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Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread
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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY
Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC
So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY
No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC
You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.
And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:You are an idiot. The New York Times knew about Vice President Agnew's bribery and tax cheating before Agnew resigned. Eight years passed between Agnew's resignation forced by Nixon (not forced by the NYTimes) and Agnew's conviction in 1981. The New York Times has known about Trump's tax cheating since 2018. The Times did a story on Trump's cheating. How many years after Trump leaves office until Trump is finally convicted and can start the appeals process? The Times does not know, but they do know Trump cheated on his taxes, same as Agnew cheated.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Addresses nothing that's salient.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Just the way that the media framed the "Muslim ban" ... it wasn't about banning Muslims. It was about banning people traveling from failed states which couldn't establish identity sufficiently in order to generate valid passports, because state offices and records had been destroyed. (Because we destroyed them but who's counting?)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Originally posted by second:
You are an idiot. The New York Times knew about Vice President Agnew's bribery and tax cheating before Agnew resigned. Eight years passed between Agnew's resignation forced by Nixon (not forced by the NYTimes) and Agnew's conviction in 1981. The New York Times has known about Trump's tax cheating since 2018. The Times did a story on Trump's cheating. How many years after Trump leaves office until Trump is finally convicted and can start the appeals process? The Times does not know, but they do know Trump cheated on his taxes, same as Agnew cheated.
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Addresses nothing that's salient ...
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Quote:It is not a crime to be racist, but is a good reason to not vote for Trump. People who are the same color as Trump can convince themselves he is not a racist, but people who aren't, can't. As for Russia, Trump wants to take all the credit for winning in 2016 for himself and no credit given to Russia. If you voted for Trump, you might want to do the same. If you didn't vote for him, you might believe that Russians did interfere with the election because there are reports that Russians did, but it is no crime not read those reports. Here is one to not read, if you are so inclined :
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Addresses nothing that's salient ...RussiaRacism
Report Of The Select Committee On Intelligence
United States Senate On Russian Active Measures Campaigns And Interference In The 2016 U.S. Election -- Volume 1: Russian Efforts Against Election Infrastructure
www.npr.org/2019/07/25/745351734/read-senate-intelligence-report-on-ru
ssian-interference-in-the-2016-election
Another:
The Mueller Report Is Embarrassing for Trump.
https://time.com/5573537/mueller-report-russia-election-interference/
Did those Russian efforts actually swing the outcome of the 2016 contest? It is perhaps no surprise that Mueller’s report does not attempt to answer this politically charged issue. Quantifying the impact of Russia’s influence operation is extremely difficult, as well as outside the core of the special counsel’s mandate.
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The other link Jack posted has to do with what is claimed is the new goal for the NYTimes (with selected quotes from the longer group meeting story to buttress its claims):
Quote:This quote isn't found in the NYTimes staffer meeting notes, it comes instead from the NYTimes MAGAZINE https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
(abbreviated quotes from the article to provide a summary / see the entire article for more information)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-goal-for-new
-york-times-reframe-american-history-and-target-trump-too
Another, more concise statement from the Times: "The goal of The 1619 Project is to reframe American history."
lavery.html whose full text is this: "The 1619 Project The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are."
Quote:I did check these quotes against the meeting notes, and they're accurate, in-context, in-order (from question to related answer), though selective.
The basic thrust of the 1619 Project is that everything in American history is explained by slavery and race.
The [1619 Project] essays go on to cover the economy ("If you want to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation."), the food we eat ("The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the 'white gold' that fueled slavery."), the nation's physical health ("Why doesn't the United States have universal healthcare? The answer begins with policies enacted after the Civil War."), politics ("America holds onto an undemocratic assumption from its founding: that some people deserve more power than others."), daily life ("What does a traffic jam in Atlanta have to do with segregation? Quite a lot.") ...
A major goal of the 1619 Project is to take the reframing message to schools. The Times has joined an organization ... to create a 1619 Project curriculum. "Here you will find reading guides, activities, and other resources to bring The 1619 Project into your classroom," the center says in a message to teachers.
The project rollout just happened to come at the same time as the leak of a transcript of a Times employee town hall in which the paper's executive editor, Dean Baquet, discussed his "vision" of making race the central theme of Times coverage for the remaining two years of President Trump's term in office.
"We built our newsroom to cover one story," Baquet said ... "Now we have to regroup," Baquet told the staff, "and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story."
That different story is race — and Trump. "We've got to change," Baquet said. "I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world's reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that's become so divided by Donald Trump?"
"I'm wondering to what extent you think that the fact of racism and white supremacy being sort of the foundation of this country should play into our reporting?" one staffer asked Baquet.
"One reason we all signed off on The 1619 Project and made it so ambitious and expansive was to teach our readers to think a little bit more like that," Baquet said. "Race in the next year ... is going to be a huge part of the American story. And I mean, race in terms of not only African Americans and their relationship with Donald Trump, but Latinos and immigration."
If this article
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Quote:The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If this article is true, it does represent a major 'pivot' of the NYTimes from RUSSIA!! to RACISM!!, and imo a(nother) highly editorialized version of the news.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814065703/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/sugar-slave-trade-slavery.html
Sometimes black cane workers resisted collectively by striking during planting and harvesting time — threatening to ruin the crop. Wages and working conditions occasionally improved. But other times workers met swift and violent reprisals. After a major labor insurgency in 1887, led by the Knights of Labor, a national union, at least 30 black people — some estimated hundreds — were killed in their homes and on the streets of Thibodaux, La. “I think this will settle the question of who is to rule, the nigger or the white man, for the next 50 years,” a local white planter’s widow, Mary Pugh, wrote, rejoicing, to her son.
In 1942, the Department of Justice began a major investigation into the recruiting practices of one of the largest sugar producers in the nation, the United States Sugar Corporation, a South Florida company. Black men unfamiliar with the brutal nature of the work were promised seasonal sugar jobs at high wages, only to be forced into debt peonage, immediately accruing the cost of their transportation, lodging and equipment — all for $1.80 a day. One man testified that the conditions were so bad, “It wasn’t no freedom; it was worse than the pen.” Federal investigators agreed. When workers tried to escape, the F.B.I. found, they were captured on the highway or “shot at while trying to hitch rides on the sugar trains.” The company was indicted by a federal grand jury in Tampa for “carrying out a conspiracy to commit slavery,” wrote Alec Wilkinson, in his 1989 book, “Big Sugar: Seasons in the Cane Fields of Florida.” (The indictment was ultimately quashed on procedural grounds.) A congressional investigation in the 1980s found that sugar companies had systematically tried to exploit seasonal West Indian workers to maintain absolute control over them with the constant threat of immediately sending them back to where they came from.
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But the US was hardly the only or even the first country in the sugar market and sugar slavery (the Caribbean, Brazil), many disparate disadvantaged people have been historically mistreated and cheated in US agriculture (like the Chinese on Hawaiian sugar plantations and Hispanics of today), and black US slaves and freedmen / freedwomen weren't the only victims of it. To focus an entire history of racism on a story of black (but nobody else) Americans (but no other country) in US sugar production (but no other arena) (The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as *THE* ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery) is misleading, at best.
That's my objection to it - it's slant.
http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/sugar06.php
Manufactured goods were traded to the West African coast for slaves, who were shipped to the sugar colonies (the infamous middle passage) and sugar, molasses, and rum were shipped from the islands to England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_the_Caribbean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Plantations/
https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/sugar
Brazil and the West Indies
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And btw, the US has many sins to answer for besides sugar ... that amazingly don't involve slaves. Or blacks. Or even humans.
"The 1619 Project
The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are."
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Quote:What the NYTimes is doing is NOT a world history of slavery. It is a history of America that studiously includes slavery, rather than hand-waving it into insignificance with “slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
But the US was hardly the only or even the first country in the sugar market and sugar slavery (the Caribbean, Brazil), many disparate disadvantaged people have been historically mistreated and cheated in US agriculture (like the Chinese on Hawaiian sugar plantations and Hispanics of today), and black US slaves and freedmen / freedwomen weren't the only victims of it. To focus an entire history of racism on a story of black (but nobody else) Americans (but no other country) in US sugar production (but no other arena) (The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as *THE* ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery) is misleading, at best.
That's my objection to it - it's slant.
http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/sugar06.php
Manufactured goods were traded to the West African coast for slaves, who were shipped to the sugar colonies (the infamous middle passage) and sugar, molasses, and rum were shipped from the islands to England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_the_Caribbean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Plantations/
https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/sugar
Brazil and the West Indies
The question of whether particular histories are positive or negative about “America” is hard to contest from an academic historian’s perspective, because the real answer, for most academic historians (and maybe a lot of people?), is a big shrug. For most historians, it’s just not interesting to think of history as a place you go to feel good, or bad, about America. “America” is so big, and so complex. Patriotism might be a side effect, but it’s not the point of historical study.
That’s why an alternative vision of patriotism, like the one that Nikole Hannah-Jones articulated in the 1619 Project’s opening essay — “Black Americans . . . have served, generation after generation, in an overlooked but vital role: It is we who have been the perfecters of this democracy” — is so valuable. This is a complex and yet immediately legible argument, expressed as public history, buttressed in the package by other arguments that are in turn informed by years of academic historical work. It is the “realest” sort of history, the kind that enriches articles and exhibits and historic sites with new information about the daily lives and struggles of non-elite people and minority groups. And the good news is, even if it’s giving some conservatives heartburn, plenty of readers seem ready to eat it up.
Conservative uproar over the New York Times’ 1619 Project is just the most recent clash in a decades-old battle over how we should understand American history.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/1619-project-conservative-
backlash-history-wars.html
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Quote:No, THIS is what the NYTimes is doing -
Originally posted by second:
What the NYTimes is doing is NOT a world history of slavery. It is a history of America that studiously includes slavery, rather than hand-waving it into insignificance with “slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”.
Quote:I'm sure the many displaced, disadvantaged groups would beg to differ that blacks and only blacks belong in the circle of those who were uniquely sinned against in American history.
The 1619 Project
The 1619 Project (named may I point out for the introduction of African slaves onto the American continent) is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
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Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread
Quote:Apparently nothing relevant to post.
Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY
Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC
So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY
No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC
You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.
And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:Apparently, you will never understand that white people who work at crappy jobs will be paid crappy. I could have stayed working at Burger King, like my father. My income would always have been close to minimum wage. It does not matter how many factories Trump shuts down in China or how many illegal aliens Trump deports to Mexico because crappy jobs will be paid crappy. The GOP has not voted for a raise in minimum wages. That party wants it that way. That party has not voted for health care for people working in crappy jobs. That's how the GOP wants it. But fortunately there is only a limited number of those crappy minimum wage jobs, which leaves millions unemployed and the GOP is very generous with the unemployed. Oh, my mistake. The unemployed are treated worse by the GOP than those employed in minimum wage jobs. That is how the GOP wants it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Apparently nothing relevant to post.
Most U.S. jobs pay under $20 an hour
https://money.cnn.com/interactive/economy/us-jobs-wages/
Deporting all the illegals working in those jobs or closing Chinese factories where, if those factories were in America, the workers are paid $20 or less, will not result in wages going up to $25 per hour for every single American in a crappy job. Wages will stay close to the minimum wage, whatever the number the GOP is satisfied with.
Half the jobs in America pay less than $18 an hour. Can Trump help?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/24/half-the-jobs-in-americ
a-pay-under-18-an-hour-can-trump-help/
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So SECOND ... do you have anything RELEVANT to post about Trump's "racism"? I think you were hot on the topic recently ... don't you have a link to share? Why are you posting about everything but?
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Quote:The 1619 Project — the New York Times Magazine’s ambitious special issue arguing for an expanded 400-hundred-year history of America centering the story of slavery and its repercussions — has apparently made many leading conservatives very angry. My colleague Ashley Feinberg has assembled a summary of their reactions, from (she paraphrases) “It makes me feel bad about my country” to “Everybody’s already heard about slavery.” It’s a veritable panoply of pique.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So SECOND ... do you have anything RELEVANT to post about Trump's "racism"? I think you were hot on the topic recently ... don't you have a link to share? Why are you posting about everything but?
The backlash is … interesting … to watch, but it’s worth noting that this is old soup, warmed over. After Jamelle Bouie (who has a great essay in the 1619 Project on racism and anti-democratic thinking) and I published our Slate Academy podcast project on the history of American slavery in 2015, we assembled a taxonomy of the negative reactions we received. I spied some familiar statements in the conservative backlash to the Times’ effort. Ilya Shapiro: “Slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”; Erick Erickson: “The Times … minimizes or undermines the cost white people paid to free slaves”; Newt Gingrich: “Slavery was AND IS terrible (there are slaves today who need liberating).”
Four years ago, Bouie and I struggled to find words to describe these types of responses to the very mention of American slavery. They’re not quite myths? Not quite lies? In the end, the umbrella description I liked best was “misdirection”—the word encapsulates why tweets like these are so annoying and upsetting. Liberals feel obligated to correct these statements with (strong) arguments and (correct) facts, none of which will ultimately persuade these people to rethink their positions. For the sake of our collective cardiovascular health, we would do better to recognize these skirmishes over American history—in which conservatives demand that a positive vision of our nation’s past, studded with successes, inventions, and “great men,” take pride of place in our public culture—as recurrent episodes in a particular decades-old front of the culture wars. That way, we could stop wasting our good faith on old, dead-end conversations.
To see how long the right has been refining this approach, you could look back to January 1995. That month, under political pressure, the Smithsonian canceled a planned exhibit marking the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was to be held at the National Air and Space Museum. The proposed exhibit of the Enola Gay—the Boeing B-29 Superfortress bomber that, piloted by Paul Tibbets, dropped the atomic bomb nicknamed “Little Boy” on Hiroshima in August 1945—drew criticism starting in late 1994, when the Air Force Association, unhappy with the planners’ slant toward thoughtful and away from celebratory, released a draft script (label copy, images, an artifact list) to the media. The curators and historians who were putting together the exhibit fought their critics for a few months, before radically revising the exhibit to be much blander and more patriotic. The curator of the Smithsonian’s aeronautics department at the time said of the conflict between the two groups: “Do you want to do an exhibition intended to make veterans feel good, or do you want an exhibition that will lead our visitors to think about the consequences of the atomic bombing of Japan? I don’t think we can do both.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/1619-project-conservative-
backlash-history-wars.html
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SECOND: But what does that have to do with "Trump is a racist"?
Nothing!
Am I to assume that you too have nothing to post?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Carried over from the "Democrats Only" threadQuote:Apparently nothing relevant to post.
Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY
Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC
So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY
No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC
You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.
And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY
Who's your primary care giver, btw?
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Your mom.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.
One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it:
Quote:
The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
The other is their need to pivot from RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong) to something else .... and it appears to be centered on Trump's assumed racism. So it'll be interesting to see if their news now has a different bias, to cater to the people who expected Mueller to take our Trump. I'll be keeping an interested eye out to see how MANY front-page stories they run about that topic on a daily/ weekly basis.
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Quote:1kiki, a typical NYTimes 1619 story does not support your wacko explanation. Have you lost your mind? Or are you trolling us from Moscow? The story begins:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.
One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it: . . .
Several years ago, my law office was fighting for the release of a black man who had been condemned, at the age of 16, to die in prison. Matthew was one of 62 Louisiana children sentenced to life imprisonment without parole for nonhomicide offenses. But a case I’d argued at the Supreme Court was part of a 2010 ruling that banned such sentences for juveniles, making our clients eligible for release.
Some had been in prison for nearly 50 years. Almost all had been sent to Angola, a penitentiary considered one of America’s most violent and abusive. Angola is immense, larger than Manhattan, covering land once occupied by slave plantations. Our clients there worked in fields under the supervision of horse-riding, shotgun-toting guards who forced them to pick crops, including cotton. Their disciplinary records show that if they refused to pick cotton — or failed to pick it fast enough — they could be punished with time in “the hole,” where food was restricted and inmates were sometimes tear-gassed. Still, some black prisoners, including Matthew, considered the despair of the hole preferable to the unbearable degradation of being forced to pick cotton on a plantation at the end of the 20th century. I was fearful that such clients would be denied parole based on their disciplinary records. Some were.
The United States has the highest rate of incarceration of any nation on Earth: We represent 4 percent of the planet’s population but 22 percent of its imprisoned. In the early 1970s, our prisons held fewer than 300,000 people; since then, that number has grown to more than 2.2 million, with 4.5 million more on probation or parole. Because of mandatory sentencing and “three strikes” laws, I’ve found myself representing clients sentenced to life without parole for stealing a bicycle or for simple possession of marijuana. And central to understanding this practice of mass incarceration and excessive punishment is the legacy of slavery.
It took only a few decades after the arrival of enslaved Africans in Virginia before white settlers demanded a new world defined by racial caste. The 1664 General Assembly of Maryland decreed that all Negroes within the province “shall serve durante vita,” hard labor for life. This enslavement would be sustained by the threat of brutal punishment. By 1729, Maryland law authorized punishments of enslaved people including “to have the right hand cut off ... the head severed from the body, the body divided into four quarters, and head and quarters set up in the most public places of the county.”
Soon American slavery matured into a perverse regime that denied the humanity of black people while still criminalizing their actions. As the Supreme Court of Alabama explained in 1861, enslaved black people were “capable of committing crimes,” and in that capacity were “regarded as persons” — but in most every other sense they were “incapable of performing civil acts” and considered “things, not persons.”
The 13th Amendment is credited with ending slavery, but it stopped short of that: It made an exception for those convicted of crimes. After emancipation, black people, once seen as less than fully human “slaves,” were seen as less than fully human “criminals.” The provisional governor of South Carolina declared in 1865 that they had to be “restrained from theft, idleness, vagrancy and crime.” Laws governing slavery were replaced with Black Codes governing free black people — making the criminal-justice syste
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.
One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it:Quote:
The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
The other is their need to pivot from RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong) to something else .... and it appears to be centered on Trump's assumed racism. So it'll be interesting to see if their news now has a different bias, to cater to the people who expected Mueller to take our Trump. I'll be keeping an interested eye out to see how MANY front-page stories they run about that topic on a daily/ weekly basis.
"train ... school children in particular" ? - do you think a lot of school children read the NYTimes?
"RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong)" - evidence?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your mom.
You sure aren't 14 anymore!
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their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
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Quote:1kiki, using many colors doesn't change that you are either crazy or a troll. Another NYTimes 1619 story:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
On Aug. 14, 1862, a mere five years after the nation’s highest courts declared that no black person could be an American citizen, President Abraham Lincoln called a group of five esteemed free black men to the White House for a meeting. It was one of the few times that black people had ever been invited to the White House as guests. The Civil War had been raging for more than a year, and black abolitionists, who had been increasingly pressuring Lincoln to end slavery, must have felt a sense of great anticipation and pride.
The war was not going well for Lincoln. Britain was contemplating whether to intervene on the Confederacy’s behalf, and Lincoln, unable to draw enough new white volunteers for the war, was forced to reconsider his opposition to allowing black Americans to fight for their own liberation. The president was weighing a proclamation that threatened to emancipate all enslaved people in the states that had seceded from the Union if the states did not end the rebellion. The proclamation would also allow the formerly enslaved to join the Union army and fight against their former “masters.” But Lincoln worried about what the consequences of this radical step would be. Like many white Americans, he opposed slavery as a cruel system at odds with American ideals, but he also opposed black equality. He believed that free black people were a “troublesome presence” incompatible with a democracy intended only for white people. “Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals?” he had said four years earlier. “My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not.”
That August day, as the men arrived at the White House, they were greeted by the towering Lincoln and a man named James Mitchell, who eight days before had been given the title of a newly created position called the commissioner of emigration. This was to be his first assignment. After exchanging a few niceties, Lincoln got right to it. He informed his guests that he had gotten Congress to appropriate funds to ship black people, once freed, to another country.
“Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration,” Lincoln told them. “You and we are different races. ... Your race suffer very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side.”
You can imagine the heavy silence in that room, as the weight of what the president said momentarily stole the breath of these five black men. It was 243 years to the month since the first of their ancestors had arrived on these shores, before Lincoln’s family, long before most of the white people insisting that this was not their country. The Union had not entered the war to end slavery but to keep the South from splitting off, yet black men had signed up to fight. Enslaved people were fleeing their forced-labor camps, which we like to call plantations, trying to join the effort, serving as spies, sabotaging confederates, taking up arms for his cause as well as the
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your mom.
You sure aren't 14 anymore!
If everybody else is going to act like children...
When in Rome.
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In violet is the entirety of what the NYTimes says are the goals of their '1619' project.
their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
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Quote:I'm pretty sure the goals of the 1619 Project are well explained by reading one of the NYTimes stories, such as this one:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
In violet is the entirety of what the NYTimes says are the goals of their '1619' project.
their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Contrary to Lincoln’s view, most blacks were not inclined to leave America, agreeing with the sentiment of a resolution against black colonization put forward at a convention of black leaders in New York some decades before: “This is our home, and this our country. Beneath its sod lie the bones of our fathers. ... Here we were born, and here we will die.”
That the formerly enslaved did not take up Lincoln’s offer to abandon these lands is an astounding testament to their belief in this nation’s founding ideals. As W.E.B. Du Bois wrote, “Few men ever worshiped Freedom with half such unquestioning faith as did the American Negro for two centuries.” Black Americans had long called for universal equality and believed, as the abolitionist Martin Delany said, “that God has made of one blood all the nations that dwell on the face of the earth.” Liberated by war, then, they did not seek vengeance on their oppressors as Lincoln and so many other white Americans feared. They did the opposite. During this nation’s brief period of Reconstruction, from 1865 to 1877, formerly enslaved people zealously engaged with the democratic process. With federal troops tempering widespread white violence, black Southerners started branches of the Equal Rights League — one of the nation’s first human rights organizations — to fight discrimination and organize voters; they headed in droves to the polls, where they placed other formerly enslaved people into seats that their enslavers had once held. The South, for the first time in the history of this country, began to resemble a democracy, with black Americans elected to local, state and federal offices. Some 16 black men served in Congress — including Hiram Revels of Mississippi, who became the first black man elected to the Senate. (Demonstrating just how brief this period would be, Revels, along with Blanche Bruce, would go from being the first black man elected to the last for nearly a hundred years, until Edward Brooke of Massachusetts took office in 1967.) More than 600 black men served in Southern state legislatures and hundreds more in local positions.
These black officials joined with white Republicans, some of whom came down from the North, to write the most egalitarian state constitutions the South had ever seen. They helped pass more equitable tax legislation and laws that prohibited discrimination in public transportation, accommodation and housing. Perhaps their biggest achievement was the establishment of that most democratic of American institutions: the public school. Public education effectively did not exist in the South before Reconstruction. The white elite sent their children to private schools, while poor white children went without an education. But newly freed black people, who had been prohibited from learning to read and write during slavery, were desperate for an education. So black legislators successfully pushed for a universal, state-funded system of schools — not just for their own children bu
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In violet is the unabridged (complete), unedited (unchanged) NYTimes 'goals' statement for their '1619' project.
their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?
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Quote:Why not read the NYTimes? Or is it too long for you, 1kiki? The short story from the 1619 project:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?
When I was a child — I must have been in fifth or sixth grade — a teacher gave our class an assignment intended to celebrate the diversity of the great American melting pot. She instructed each of us to write a short report on our ancestral land and then draw that nation’s flag. As she turned to write the assignment on the board, the other black girl in class locked eyes with me. Slavery had erased any connection we had to an African country, and even if we tried to claim the whole continent, there was no “African” flag. It was hard enough being one of two black kids in the class, and this assignment would just be another reminder of the distance between the white kids and us. In the end, I walked over to the globe near my teacher’s desk, picked a random African country and claimed it as my own.
I wish, now, that I could go back to the younger me and tell her that her people’s ancestry started here, on these lands, and to boldly, proudly, draw the stars and those stripes of the American flag.
We were told once, by virtue of our bondage, that we could never be American. But it was by virtue of our bondage that we became the most American of all.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050033/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/black-history-american-democracy.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Oh... I'm going to cry.
lol
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In violet is the unabridged (complete), unedited (unchanged) NYTimes 'goals' statement for their '1619' project.
their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history
to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding
and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?
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And these are the issues the NYimes say are a DIRECT consequence SOLELY caused by slavery:
America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One
By Nikole Hannah-Jones
American Capitalism Is Brutal. You Can Trace That to the Plantation.
By Matthew Desmond
How Segregation Caused Your Traffic Jam
By Kevin M. Kruse
Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
By Jeneen Interlandi
What the Reactionary Politics of 2019 Owe to the Politics of Slavery
By Jamelle Bouie
How False Beliefs in Physical Racial Difference Still Live in Medicine Today
By Linda Villarosa
Why Is Everyone Always Stealing Black Music?
By Wesley Morris
The Barbaric History of Sugar in America
By Khalil Gibran Muhammad
Why American Prisons Owe Their Cruelty to Slavery
By Bryan Stevenson
How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder
By Trymaine Lee
https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todayspaper/2019/08/18/todays-new-york-t
imes
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Gross.
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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY
Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC
So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY
No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC
You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.
And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY
Apparently nothing relevant to post.= SIGNY
Who's your primary care giver, btw?= CC
And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
Yanno, I don't get it. I'm finally ready to read some of your posts in detail, word by word, which provides what YOU think is the best example of Trump's racism ... something you've been bitching about for a couple of months now ... and yet you insist on posting exactly what you usually post: lies, ad hominems, strawmen, red herrings, anything but the topic ar hand.
It's almost as if you're intent on proving my point for me: that you have no evidence of Trump's "racism", just a whole lotta "feelz" about it. Now, I do recall someone posting a link, it may have been SECOND, about Trump's supposed racism, but I have no idea where it is or what it says. All I'm asking for is one link, not a dissertation on the topic. Is it too much to come up with? Apparently yes!
BTW I have not read the NYT stories either. I''ve got a lot going on and not enuf time to read paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit. I think they're just more deflection. If SCOND only knew how little anyone reads his posts, maybe he'd stop splattering the board with propaganda.
So how about it, SECOND? How about posting something that might actually be read?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:Let's pick one of those stories that Trump-voters find extremely offensive. Maybe a long quote will show or give a hint what is making those Trump-voter heads explode. The story has got something to do with the nation’s first federal health care program, which just so happened to serve freedmen after the Civil War. From the beginning, white legislators argued it would breed dependence. Today, we know how much Trump-voters hate Obamacare. Funny how they got started hating in the 19th Century.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And these are the issues the NYimes say are a DIRECT consequence SOLELY caused by slavery:
Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
By Jeneen Interlandi
https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todayspaper/2019/08/18/todays-new-york-t
imes
Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000805/www.nytimes.com/interactive
/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html
The smallpox virus hopscotched across the post-Civil War South, invading the makeshift camps where many thousands of newly freed African-Americans had taken refuge but leaving surrounding white communities comparatively unscathed. This pattern of affliction was no mystery: In the late 1860s, doctors had yet to discover viruses, but they knew that poor nutrition made people more susceptible to illness and that poor sanitation contributed to the spread of disease. They also knew that quarantine and vaccination could stop an outbreak in its tracks; they had used those very tools to prevent a smallpox outbreak from ravaging the Union Army.
Smallpox was not the only health disparity facing the newly emancipated, who at the close of the Civil War faced a considerably higher mortality rate than that of whites. Despite their urgent pleas for assistance, white leaders were deeply ambivalent about intervening. They worried about black epidemics spilling into their own communities and wanted the formerly enslaved to be healthy enough to return to plantation work. But they also feared that free and healthy African-Americans would upend the racial hierarchy, the historian Jim Downs writes in his 2012 book, “Sick From Freedom.”
Federal policy, he notes, reflected white ambivalence at every turn. Congress established the medical division of the Freedmen’s Bureau — the nation’s first federal health care program — to address the health crisis, but officials deployed just 120 or so doctors across the war-torn South, then ignored those doctors’ pleas for personnel and equipment. They erected more than 40 hospitals but prematurely shuttered most of them.
White legislators argued that free assistance of any kind would breed dependence and that when it came to black infirmity, hard labor was a better salve than white medicine. As the death toll rose, they developed a new theory: Blacks were so ill suited to freedom that the entire race was going extinct. “No charitable black scheme can wash out the color of the Negro, change his inferior nature or save him from his inevitable fate,” an Ohio congressman said.
One of the most eloquent rejoinders to the theory of black extinction came from Rebecca Lee Crumpler, the nation’s first black female doctor. Crumpler was born free and trained and practiced in Boston. At the close of the war, she joined the Freedmen’s Bureau and worked in the freed people’s communities of Virginia. In 1883, she published one of the first treatises on the burden of disease in black communities. “They seem to forget there is a cause for every ailment,” she wrote. “And that it may be in their power to remove it.”
In the decades following Reconstruction, the former slave states came to wield enormous congressional power through a voting bloc that was uniformly segregationist and overwhelmingly Democratic. That bloc preserved the nation’s racial stratification by securing local control of federal programs under a mantra of “states’ rights” and, in some cases, by add
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And in 2019 we have black doctors and everybody goes to the same hospitals.
But wouldn't ya know it? No free healthcare.
What a load of horseshit.
If you're going to tow that line, my only words to you are "fuck you, racist."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:One hundred and fifty years after the freed people of the South first petitioned the government for basic medical care, the United States remains the only high-income country in the world where such care is not guaranteed to every citizen.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And in 2019 we have black doctors and everybody goes to the same hospitals.
But wouldn't ya know it? No free healthcare.
What a load of horseshit.
If you're going to tow that line, my only words to you are "fuck you, racist."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
In 2010, the Affordable Care Act brought health insurance to nearly 20 million previously uninsured adults. The biggest beneficiaries of this boon were people of color, many of whom obtained coverage through the law’s Medicaid expansion. That coverage contributed to a measurable decrease in some racial health disparities, but the success was neither as enduring nor as widespread as it might have been. Several states, most of them in the former Confederacy, refused to participate in Medicaid expansion. And several are still trying to make access to the program contingent on onerous new work requirements. The results of both policies have been unequivocal. States that expanded Medicaid saw a drop in disease-related deaths, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. The states that did not expand Medicaid? Death rates increased.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Something not worth reading.
The NYTimes had goals for their project.
They stated their goals very explicitly.
They may or may not have achieved those goals (ideals) in their writings (imperfect realizations).
Nobody needs to look at the imperfect realizations to try and reverse engineer what the ideals might have been, since they explicitly stated their project ideals.
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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Those are their explicitly stated goals.
SECOND is completely unable to address those NYTimes explicitly stated goals, and has spent maybe a half-dozen lengthy posts trying to avoid directly addressing those NYTimes' explicitly stated goals.
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Quote:1kiki, you are completely unable to read the NYTimes 1619 Project stories. Maybe you should try the Internet Archives, which avoids having to log into the NYTimes? Start here:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000807/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html
In order to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation
A couple of years before he was convicted of securities fraud, Martin Shkreli was the chief executive of a pharmaceutical company that acquired the rights to Daraprim, a lifesaving antiparasitic drug. Previously the drug cost $13.50 a pill, but in Shkreli’s hands, the price quickly increased by a factor of 56, to $750 a pill. At a health care conference, Shkreli told the audience that he should have raised the price even higher. “No one wants to say it, no one’s proud of it,” he explained. “But this is a capitalist society, a capitalist system and capitalist rules.”
This is a capitalist society. It’s a fatalistic mantra that seems to get repeated to anyone who questions why America can’t be more fair or equal. But around the world, there are many types of capitalist societies, ranging from liberating to exploitative, protective to abusive, democratic to unregulated. When Americans declare that “we live in a capitalist society” — as a real estate mogul told The Miami Herald last year when explaining his feelings about small-business owners being evicted from their Little Haiti storefronts — what they’re often defending is our nation’s peculiarly brutal economy. “Low-road capitalism,” the University of Wisconsin-Madison sociologist Joel Rogers has called it. In a capitalist society that goes low, wages are depressed as businesses compete over the price, not the quality, of goods; so-called unskilled workers are typically incentivized through punishments, not promotions; inequality reigns and poverty spreads. In the United States, the richest 1 percent of Americans own 40 percent of the country’s wealth, while a larger share of working-age people (18-65) live in poverty than in any other nation belonging to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (O.E.C.D.).
Or consider worker rights in different capitalist nations. In Iceland, 90 percent of wage and salaried workers belong to trade unions authorized to fight for living wages and fair working conditions. Thirty-four percent of Italian workers are unionized, as are 26 percent of Canadian workers. Only 10 percent of American wage and salaried workers carry union cards. The O.E.C.D. scores nations along a number of indicators, such as how countries regulate temporary work arrangements. Scores run from 5 (“very strict”) to 1 (“very loose”). Brazil scores 4.1 and Thailand, 3.7, signaling toothy regulations on temp work. Further down the list are Norway (3.4), India (2.5) and Japan (1.3). The United States scored 0.3, tied for second to last place with Malaysia. How easy is it to fire workers? Countries like Indonesia (4.1) and Portugal (3) have strong rules about severance pay and reasons for dismissal. Those rules relax somewhat in places like Denmark (2.1) and Mexico (1.9). They virtually disappear in the United States, ranked dead last out of 71 nations with a score of 0.5.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000807/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:fify
Originally posted by second:
Something not worth reading.
The NYTimes had goals for their project.
They stated their goals very explicitly.
They may or may not have achieved those goals (ideals) in their writings (imperfect realizations).
Nobody needs to look at the imperfect realizations to try and reverse engineer what the ideals might have been, since they explicitly stated their project ideals.Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Those are their explicitly stated goals.
SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals, and has spent maybe a half-dozen lengthy posts trying to avoid directly addressing the NYTimes' explicitly stated goals.
This.
And...
I really don't see the draw of knowing where you came from anyhow, or at the very least it's not as if you're not in good company if you don't. If you gave me a map that didn't have country names on it, I could probably point out about half of the countries of my "supposed" ancestry. There are a lot of them.
A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".
I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.
Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.
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Quote:Focus, 6ix. Less about you and more about the NYTimes, please.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".
I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.
Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Focus, 6ix. Less about you and more about the NYTimes, please.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".
I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.
Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
It's relevant.
I've got to read some bullshit about some kid not being able to point out on a map where they came from for a class project. I'm just telling my story.
Is my story not valid because I'm a white male? Is that the point you're trying to make?
Oh, and BTW...
You neglected to quote the lead in paragraph that ties the relevancy. I'm sure that was by design. It's something the NYT and WaPo do all the time. It's called Lying by Structure.
Here it is in case it already slipped down your memory gorge.
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I really don't see the draw of knowing where you came from anyhow, or at the very least it's not as if you're not in good company if you don't. If you gave me a map that didn't have country names on it, I could probably point out about half of the countries of my "supposed" ancestry. There are a lot of them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:1kiki posted 6 times the same words on this page and the previous one. It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes and that 1kiki did not read the 1619 Project stories. Signym actually said she didn't read the stories, but 1kiki has not admitted that, quite yet. As for 6ix's reading? Who knows what 6ix comprehends or, alternatively, misconstrues? Not even 6ix knows how confused he is inside his skull. But there are strange things coming out of his mouth and keyboard. The same is true of Trump's tweets: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164520903725723648
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.
You're an idiot.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:1kiki posted 6 times the same words on this page and the previous one. It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes and that 1kiki did not read the 1619 Project stories. Signym actually said she didn't read the stories, but 1kiki has not admitted that, quite yet. As for 6ix's reading? Who knows what 6ix comprehends or, alternatively, misconstrues? Not even 6ix knows how confused he is inside his skull. But there are strange things coming out of his mouth and keyboard.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?
Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.
You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.
Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.
None of them being valid claims.
All of them easily debunked.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:There is an "artist" who sells "paintings" on the corner. When I'm at the light, I never talk to him nor buy his "paintings" because he is out of his mind. My rule is to not engage with people who might break your windshield with the big rock the "artist" keeps handy to prevent his "paintings" (probably done with his own excrement) from blowing away. 6ix, you and Signym and 1kiki paint pictures with your excrement. I only roll down my window and talk to you because I'm far, far away from you nutjobs. But I not gonna engage with your "art" nor am I gonna critique it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?
Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.
You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.
Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Here is the corner. The "artist" is not there because he was probably in the custody of the Baytown police: https://goo.gl/maps/9KvoXKPFwYYK9tjn6
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.
None of them being valid claims.
All of them easily debunked.
You don't remember either? I even remember some of the stupid sh*t you posted on that thread. Pretty much like all of your posts lately, "lol" " Wha!" "No it isn't!"
If either of you were really interested in Trump's racism you could do a google search and find days worth. Since you haven't it's reeeaaaalll obvious you're both just happy to be assholes. Aim high!
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Quote:WHERE are those links? SECOND in particular posts tons of crap; I'm not about to go wading thru his last 300 posts ... or your last 50 ... just to find the one that might be relevant.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.
Not gonna google it either. This is YOUR ax that you've been grinding for months now. If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
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Quote:They're irrelevant to a discussion of the NYTimes' STATED GOALS. And a discussion of the NYTimes' STATED GOALS is one you've avoided mightily with a non-stop stream of irrelevancies, lies, strawman arguments, and ad hominems.
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you are completely unable to read the NYTimes 1619 Project stories.
tic tac
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Quote:I misunderstand the points made by the NYTimes by quoting their STATED GOALS exact and entire? I'd like you to please explain how that's possible.
Originally posted by second:
It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes ...
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And what am I discussing? The NYTimes' STATED GOALS.
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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
And what would YOUR REPLIES TO ME be addressing if you were actually discussing my posts instead of trolling me?
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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WHERE are those links? SECOND in particular posts tons of crap; I'm not about to go wading thru his last 300 posts ... or your last 50 ... just to find the one that might be relevant.
Not gonna google it either. This is YOUR ax that you've been grinding for months now. If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There is an "artist" who sells "paintings" on the corner. When I'm at the light, I never talk to him nor buy his "paintings" because he is out of his mind. My rule is to not engage with people who might break your windshield with the big rock the "artist" keeps handy to prevent his "paintings" (probably done with his own excrement) from blowing away. 6ix, you and Signym and 1kiki paint pictures with your excrement. I only roll down my window and talk to you because I'm far, far away from you nutjobs. But I not gonna engage with your "art" nor am I gonna critique it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?
Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.
You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.
Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Here is the corner. The "artist" is not there because he was probably in the custody of the Baytown police: https://goo.gl/maps/9KvoXKPFwYYK9tjn6
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Nobody here is going to throw rocks at you, pussy.
Spare me your bullshit. We already know that the only reason you post here is to listen to yourself talk. God knows you don't actually do any work or have any hobbies.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Quote:I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
Your history inspires no confidence that you'll actually return to this thread with anything, or even return at all. And that this will be yet another disappearing act when facts don't support you.
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Quote:You are kind of repeating yourself, even from paragraph to paragraph. That crazy person standing on the corner in Baytown I mentioned yesterday? Well, I went by the corner and he had a sign for sell, which read: "Trump #1! Trump #1!" repeating the same thought twice on one piece of card board. Most likely he meant Trump's "I am the chosen one." If I had stopped to talk, the crazy man might have explained that what Trump and he really meant was:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And what am I discussing? The NYTimes' STATED GOALS.Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
And what would YOUR REPLIES TO ME be addressing if you were actually discussing my posts instead of trolling me?Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Trump's "chosen one" aside was likely tongue-in-cheek, not a sincere profession of any belief in his own messianic status. Separately, in a series of tweets, Trump quoted a radio host who claimed Jewish people in Israel admired the U.S. president so greatly that it was as though Trump were the King of Israel or the second coming of Christ. Trump never himself articulated any such belief.
But the traffic light changed too quickly. I was out of there before the crazy man could expound on the subtle meaning of his sign, which he would sell to you for a negotiated price, if you were the kind of person who buys signs written in human excrement.
www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-second-coming-king-israel/
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Of course it was tongue in cheek. He was a massive troll before he was elected, and he's trolled the Democratic party into ripping itself apart. The Democratic party will never be the same after he gets re-elected in 2020.
Who wrote that piece you lifted there? It was actually funny. Especially the bit about buying a sign written in shit.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Quote:I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
Your history inspires no confidence that you'll actually return to this thread with anything, or even return at all. And that this will be yet another disappearing act when facts don't support you.
Are tired of waiting? Wait no more:
Trump's racial rhetoric has inspired a conversion experience among some conservative white commentators like Joe Scarborough and Max Boot.
Boot wrote after Trump's racist tweets: "It is as blatant example of racism and xenophobia as we have seen in our politics in my lifetime... I am ashamed to have spent most of my life as a Republican."
That conversion has trickled down to many ordinary white Americans. According to one poll, racial prejudice has actually declined because Trump's racially inflammatory rhetoric has "pushed the majority of white Americans in the opposite direction."
In this way Trump has taken away one of the most effective weapons used by racists -- plausible deniability, Kevin Kruse, historian, said.
"Racist policies work better when they don't seem to be racist," Kruse said. "If you could give voters in the middle some plausible deniability that this isn't about race -- 'I don't believe in segregation, I believe in neighborhood schools; it's not voter suppression, it's voter integrity' -- If you put a more positive spin on it, it invites more people in who don't see this policy as racist.
"Once the veneer comes off, a lot of people in the middle will shy away," he added. "Trump has taken away the veneer."
More at www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump-obama-change-blake/index.html
“I disagreed with Obama. But what Trump has done makes those differences insignificant” by Joe Scarborough
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-presidency-will-be-hailed-as-tr
ansformative-trumps-will-be-viewed-with-scorn/2019/03/19/c4ba3742-4a7c-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?noredirect=on
100 years from now, Donald Trump’s presidency will be viewed with the same scorn that followed the Dred Scott decision. Like that pre-Civil War Supreme Court case, Trump will forever be condemned as a racial reprobate whose words and actions inspired white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
Max Boot, Jackie Robinson, and the racism problem in the Republican Party.
Max Boot could have had an awakening decades ago — if he’d listened to black conservatives.
www.vox.com/2018/10/12/17955400/max-boot-trump-conservatism-gop-goldwa
ter
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Quote:That was all my writing, except for the part Snopes wrote www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-second-coming-king-israel/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course it was tongue in cheek. He was a massive troll before he was elected, and he's trolled the Democratic party into ripping itself apart. The Democratic party will never be the same after he gets re-elected in 2020.
Who wrote that piece you lifted there? It was actually funny. Especially the bit about buying a sign written in shit.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Did Donald Trump Call Himself the ‘Second Coming of God,’ the ‘Chosen One’ or the ‘King of Israel’?
That crazy person I wrote about with the sign "Trump #1!" That happened, yesterday. It might be a dried out brown marker pen rather than excrement he is writing with, but I'm not gonna buy one of his signs to find out. The crazy person is probably not homeless; there are many RV parks close to that corner. To repeat myself, the crazy person selling Trump signs and 6ix, Signym, and 1kiki are all cut from the same bolt of cloth, in my opinion. It is the pattern printed on the cloth, not the design of the clothes made from the cloth, that marks the similarity of those four people. What is the pattern on the cloth? It is a message: "I need your complete attention to this important public announcement about my affiliation with the GOP!"
https://goo.gl/maps/YkwEtr9euRvBt3Nr8
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lol
When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.
I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!
You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I was checking just now to see what Trump is writing on cardboard signs with his excrement:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.
I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!
You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
This despite the Fake News and Polls!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
THANK YOU! #MAGA
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164862120447664128
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
The Economy is strong and good, whereas the rest of the world is not doing so well. Despite this the Fake News Media, together with their Partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to convince people that we are in, or will soon be going into, a Recession. They are ... willing to lose their wealth, or a big part of it, just for the possibility of winning the Election. But it won't work because I always find a way to win, especially for the people! The greatest political movement in the history of our Country will have another big win in 2020!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164861053433499648
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
94% Approval Rating within the Republican Party. Thank you!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164852076930879493
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?
You 3? More than 6 months would be my first guess.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I was checking just now to see what Trump is writing on cardboard signs with his excrement:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.
I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!
You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
This despite the Fake News and Polls!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
THANK YOU! #MAGA
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164862120447664128
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
The Economy is strong and good, whereas the rest of the world is not doing so well. Despite this the Fake News Media, together with their Partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to convince people that we are in, or will soon be going into, a Recession. They are ... willing to lose their wealth, or a big part of it, just for the possibility of winning the Election. But it won't work because I always find a way to win, especially for the people! The greatest political movement in the history of our Country will have another big win in 2020!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164861053433499648
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
94% Approval Rating within the Republican Party. Thank you!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164852076930879493
It's a political movement alright.
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SECOND, you are avoiding the NYT's STATED GOALS about their "1619" project like the plague. Let ne give you an example of what YOU'RE doing but reframing it in a way that you might understand:
Let's say that FOX NEWS has a STATED GOAL of increasing white birthrate, and in order to do that, they've decided to publish a series of stories. The stories themselves aren't inimical, but they DO have a point and an effect. Let's say someone .... CC ... keeps telling you that FOX is trying to increase white birthrates. You OTOH keep posting about Fuffy Bunny Makes a Good Mommy and Mommy Makes Room for One More and The Problem of Only Children. Kinda disigenuous on your part, wouldn't you say? Who do you think isn't going to notice that you're completely avoiding the topic, but instead intent on repeating the propaganda?
Also, I think you've got "shit on the brain" because I keep accusing you of throwing a lot of shit against the wall to see what sticks. Well, it's not sticking but it does STINK. So instead of posting streams and streams of shit ... the equivalent of internet diarrhea ... why don't you start being a little thoughtful about what you post?
Like, for example, ABOUT THE TOPIC. I HAVE YET TO SEE A LINK TO ANY ARTICLE THAT YOU THINK MAKES A COMPELLING CASE THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST. Do you not have any?
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Quote:Trump and racism: What do the data say?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like, for example, ABOUT THE TOPIC. I HAVE YET TO SEE A LINK TO ANY ARTICLE THAT YOU THINK MAKES A COMPELLING CASE THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST. Do you not have any?
www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-
data-say/
Unfortunately, there is little reason to expect this research to have much impact on public attitudes; increasingly, partisanship skews what Americans think qualifies as racist. But there is no excuse for avoiding clear, accurate descriptions of American political dynamics. When the data show that President Trump’s support stems from racist and sexist beliefs, and that his election emboldened Americans to engage in racist behavior, it is the responsibility of social scientists and other political observers to say so.
The Brookings Cafeteria podcast last week discussed the role President Trump’s racist rhetoric has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior. It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.
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Quote:Trump dumped more of his bowel movements on twitter today:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
It's a political movement alright.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 1h
As usual, the Fed did NOTHING! It is incredible that they can "speak" without knowing or asking what I am doing, which will be announced shortly. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak Fed. I will work "brilliantly" with both, and the U.S. will do great.......My only question is, who is our bigger enemy. Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914610836783104
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 1 h
Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years.
They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won't let that happen! We don't need China and, frankly, would be far........better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing......your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China's Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,........all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn't. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914959131848705
What is Trump eating? I only ask because this strange stuff is coming out of him. We know only because he tweets it, being so proud of his colorful excrement, which is chock-full of undigested chunks from Fox News he has consumed.
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From SECOND'S link
Quote:Trump has tweeted a lot of things but none of it, as far as I know, is "racist". First of all, I reject the notion that referencing anyone's nation of origin, religion, or language is "racist". "Race" is what you were unchangeably born with. Language, nationality, religion, ethics, food choices, preferred music, political leanings are all potentially subject to choice. If I were to say that hating burritos is "racist", does that make any sense? ...
...discussed the role President Trump’s [PRESUMED]racist rhetoric
Quote:What "associations"?
has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior.
Quote:If Trump has not tweeted racist tweets, then he has not encouraged racism.
It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.
Quote:Here they lump a whole bunch of things together including (you will note) ANTI IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT. It's possible to be anti-immigrant, especialy anti-ILLEGAL immigrant, without being racist. The people I know who voted for Trump were, themselves, immigrants, coming from Mexico (2), Taiwan(2), China(1), Japan(1), Myanmar(1), Armenia(1), and Hungary(1). The author deliberately muddies the waters by not picking ut how much support Trumo got for his anti-illegal immigration stance versus "racism" per se. Also, almost all of these people were technically trained with college degrees in the sciences.
First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate that anti-immigrant sentiment, racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump.
Quote:And anti-immigration POV? What about that?
Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.
Quote:And Antifa violence in counties where Trump did especially poorly? Does that mean that Hillary or the DNC is responsible for that, too?
Even more alarmingly, there is a clear correlation between Trump campaign events and incidents of prejudiced violence. FBI data show that since Trump’s election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins. It was the second-largest uptick in hate crimes in the 25 years for which data are available, second only to the spike after September 11, 2001. Though hate crimes are typically most frequent in the summer, in 2016 they peaked in the fourth quarter (October-December). This new, higher rate of hate crimes continued throughout 2017.
Quote:I think I'd like to see that data. Since the number of "hate crimes" is generally low, the error bar on this correlation may reduce it to meaninglessness.
The association between Trump and hate crimes is not limited to the election itself. Another study, based on data collected by the Anti-Defamation League, shows that counties that hosted a Trump campaign rally in 2016 saw hate crime rates more than double compared to similar counties that did not host a rally.
Quote:There is a problem with using correlations to indicate causality. If A is correlated with B, it could be that A causes B (Trump causes hate crimes), B causes A, A nd B are bo
The data analysis discussed above has centered on correlations;
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Quote:How much is a 'little time'? ... because I've read a couple of magazines since you posted.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
And I'm still hoping that you'll post your examples of how Trump is a racist.
If you've been delving into this as deeply as you say you did for all the time you claim you did, you should have the information right at your fingertips.
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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
It really pisses me off when people have access to the full quote and then post HIGHLY selected and rearranged tidbits without posting a link to the entire quote.
Because the only reason to do that is to lie - and make getting caught on it difficult.
Here is the ENTIRE quote, with the link http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/ .
Quote:
"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."
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Quote:Does a lynching count as racist? It does, but probably not in your opinion, unless Trump put the noose around their neck with his own hands: "More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST.
So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-park-
5-netflix
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Where was the lynching? There wasn't one.
I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST.
So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.- SIGNY
Does a lynching count as racist?
Trump is a loose cannon. He reacts viscerally and unwisely to scenes that are heinous, which is why he had missiles fired on Syria when he saw pictures of dead kids, and why he banished dozens of Russian diplomats when shown (false btw) pictures of "poisoned children and dead ducks" in Salisbury, location of the Skripal poisonings. He hasn't apologized for that, either. Are those instances racist?
You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.
BTW, I know that there is STILL racism in the USA. There's even reverse racism. A lot of prejudice flowing in all directions. All that means is that we have not achieved equality and meritocracy, and constantly crying "racism! racism!" and demanding reparations and guilt over something we had no hand in isn't going to get us where we need to go.
It's all just a giant shit show. Yanno, what SECOND specializes in
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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I just wanted to point out the addition that I made to my previous post, in italics
Quote:
Again, is "Mexico" a race? No, it is not. MEXICO is a nation with a lot of problems including massive poverty, unemployment, corruption, and the takeover of large regions by drug barons. MEXICO, as nation, could have a potentially large interest in exporting its most dissatisfied people, because it acts as a pressure relief valve for problems which the MEXCIAN GOVERNMENT seems unable to fix. The statement is about MEXICO and the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT and its policies of (potentially) ecouraging migration to reduce its own internal costs.
Now, I'm going to go out on a limb, and suggest that Mexico's institutional failures at all levels of government, which have persisted - not for years or decades, but GENERATIONS - must have had a corrosive effect on Mexican society and Mexican people: the lack of confidence in the justice system, the acceptance of small forms of corruption, bribery and theft at every level*, the hopelessness that government can be meaningfully reformed and drug lords brought down, lack of confidence in meritocracy. So the impression that I get of illegal migrants is that they see the USA as a great opportunity to make a living, but don't see their responsibility in keeping the system working. As long as they pay their "bribe" to TPTB - as a source of cheap flexible labor - their breaking immigration laws should be overlooked.
* My boss used to go with his church group to Mexico to help build orphanages, but they learned to keep the goods meant for the children - clothes, toothpaste, things like that - locked up because otherwise the orphanage workers would steal them. I knew a couple who used to drive all the way thru Mexico south, but kept "spare" batteries in the trunk in order to be allowed to pass through various (legal and illegal) checkpoints along the route.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
It really pisses me off when people have access to the full quote and then post HIGHLY selected and rearranged tidbits without posting a link to the entire quote.
Because the only reason to do that is to lie - and make getting caught on it difficult.
Here is the ENTIRE quote, with the link http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/ .Quote:
"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."
Lying by Omission and Lying by Structure is what the MSM specializes in.
You'll almost always find the truth in any article though, since Lying by Structure is the easiest path since the truth is in the article but is after the article title and the first paragraph that nobody reads past.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump's racism and intolerance have always been in evidence; only slowly did he begin to understand how to use them to his advantage.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump is a loose cannon. He reacts viscerally and unwisely to scenes that are heinous, which is why he had missiles fired on Syria when he saw pictures of dead kids, and why he banished dozens of Russian diplomats when shown (false btw) pictures of "poisoned children and dead ducks" in Salisbury, location of the Skripal poisonings. He hasn't apologized for that, either. Are those instances racist?
You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.
BTW, I know that there is STILL racism in the USA. There's even reverse racism. A lot of prejudice flowing in all directions. All that means is that we have not achieved equality and meritocracy, and constantly crying "racism! racism!" and demanding reparations and guilt over something we had no hand in isn't going to get us where we need to go.
Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Trump emerged as a political force owing to his full-throated embrace of “birtherism,” the false charge that the nation’s first black president, Barack Obama, was not born in the United States.
Instances of bigotry involving Donald Trump span more than four decades. The Atlantic interviewed a range of people with knowledge of several of those episodes.
More at www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067/
America’s always trying to find this gotcha moment that shows Donald Trump is racist — you know, let’s find this one big thing. Let’s look for that one time when he burned a cross in someone’s yard so we can now finally say it. People refuse to see the bread crumbs that are already in front of you, leading you to grandma’s house.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Mexicans aren't a race
You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.= SIGNY
Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans
Quote:not a race
Hispanics more broadly
Quote:Not a race
Muslims
Quote:Not a race
, Jews
Quote:Not a race
immigrants
Quote:Not a race
, women
Quote:Not a race.
and people with disabilities
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Quote:Still waiting here, "captain".
Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:16 PM
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
Your alleged reply that was going to need 'a little time' and be 'pronto' is starting to look like your usual disappearing act when facts don't go your way.
But you can still give yourself an extension and say it'll take longer! Or you can redeem yourself and admit you don't have anything! Whichever is honest is good.
The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world,
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Quote:I don't think Signym read the National Geographic, which says: "There's No Scientific Basis for Race — It's a Made-Up Label"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race.
www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-afri
ca/
I don't think Signym is referencing "Philosophers say there is no such thing as race. But there is racism."
https://theconversation.com/racism-is-real-race-is-not-a-philosophers-
perspective-82504
There are many stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe Signym would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?
Here are the stories about Trump's arsonism: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race.
Quote:That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.
Originally posted by second:
I don't think Signym read the National Geographic, which says: "There's No Scientific Basis for Race — It's a Made-Up Label"
Let's change it around:
Quote:is NOT the same as saying there are unicorns.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn.
ETA: I'll even give you an example of how that could work.
I say there are no unicorns.
You say there are. You describe them to me a looking like a white horse with a twisted, linear horn coming out of its forehead. Then to prove to me they exist, you point to a hippo and say - unicorn!
And I say - not a unicorn.
IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR CLAIM, to say that a hippo is not a unicorn is not the same as saying there are unicorns.
The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.
It was RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!!. Now it's all RACISM!! all the time!
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Quote:There are many real life stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe 1kiki would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.
Whatever the word, here are stories about Trump's arsonism:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067/
Once you read the stories, you won't honestly be able to say Trump is not an arsonist. But Signym and 1kiki might, which would say everything we need to know about them.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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