What was wrong with the Islamonazism thread?
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Thursday, March 27, 2025 22:42
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I've been there and don't see why it was put in Troll Country. The only problem was that it was originally put in Other Science Fiction, but it could still simply be put in Real World Events.
There is nothing at all hatefull about that posting!
This ArielBerg person is not getting the proper respect he or she deserves. 
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Good Goddess, you don't see where creating a bullshiet word like "Islamifascists" isn't derogatory, racist, and frankly, fascistic rubbish from an ignorant right wing mind?
Buy a frellin' clue.
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The problem is that it wasn't titled "Neo-Con Nazism". Freedom of speech only goes so far any more. The author just chose the wrong people to villify.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
The problem is that it wasn't titled "Neo-Con Nazism". Freedom of speech only goes so far any more. The author just chose the wrong people to villify.
You're right. I forgot the double standards liberals play when it comes to Freedom of Speech.
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Yay! Generalizations are fun!
"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."
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Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
Generalizations are fun!
Only when they're used towards pussies and faggots i.e. liberals and islamonazis!
There is nothing I hate more than a liberal.
- God
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Liberalsarestupid: Wow. I'm honored to be in the presence of someone who speaks for a benevolent God. I'm truly awed by your hatred and authority. Please apologize to your God for my existence, okay?
To offer an unwelcome answer to the question as posted (after all, you guys hate liberal me without even knowing me, right?), I think what was wrong with the thread was two things:
First, the author of the original post offered NO source citations for any of that material and did not make it clear where provable fact stopped and the subjective material of opinion started.
Second, since the tone of the post seemed to try and pass itself off as strictly informational, it wasn't particularly responsible of the poster to leave out the other half of the information about Nazism and Islam, namely that not all or even most believers of Islam are fascists and Nazis, just as not all or even most Nazis and fascists are practitioners of Islam.
I have no 'liberal double standard' as I am aware of. I like everything in my brain to gel and not conflict; if there's information in there that's self-contradictory, then I reexamine, because it's my responsibility to do so.
All of that said, I'm not entirely sure I would have put the thread into the troll space. I would have posted my disagreement with its message and the reasons for that disagreement, as I have here.
Incidentally, there are any number of wonderful books on Islam, its beliefs and the people who hold them. There are actually some very progressive ideas in the Koran. And I think it's important, especially at this time of year, to remember that just as Islam was born out of the Bible, so was Christianity; after all, dears, Judaism was the parent faith to both. As siblings, then, those faiths will really have to learn how to get along.
There is no such thing as a weed.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
To offer an unwelcome answer to the question as posted (after all, you guys hate liberal me without even knowing me, right?), I think what was wrong with the thread was two things:
First, the author of the original post offered NO source citations for any of that material and did not make it clear where provable fact stopped and the subjective material of opinion started.
There is no such thing as a weed.
Actually, the individual posted several links, which if looked at are references..some factual some opinion based. It is similar to the concept of Judeofascism or Zionazism or Zionist entity. There are elements of truth for all. I don't think he was stating that ALL Muslims are Islamofascists. I think it is important to realize that the MAJOR players in the current militant movements of Islam do indeed hold several of the fascist beliefs that were explained.
I however believe that no movement forms without a reason. If we continue to stereotype all Muslims as Islamonazis or Fascists, we will do naught but lend fuel to the flame of hate that is building. The only way we can broker peace is to educate those that have not become brainwashed by hate and reach out to them. The world's youth are not so gullible as to throw caution to the wind and not listen to the voices of reason..eventually. The piece was informative, but completely useless. You can't befriend someone and meet eye to eye, if you ostrecize the same said person you are attempting to communicate with in terms of diplomacy.
In other words..you can't throw sand in someones eyes and then expect them to respect your opinions and listen to them.
An interesting article on Islamaphobia:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,719159,00.html
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Well said, Connorflynn
THIS is precisely the discussion/debate that SHOULD have occurred in the original thread... but was stopped in its tracks by moving the thread to the "forum of death."
As I believe Geezer pointed out a few posts ago... apparently there are some some groups of people about whom negative opinions can be examined and debated in this forum. And some groups of people that are exempt from such debate.
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I saw that the poster included links. That effectively places all responsibility for the posted information elsewhere, which I find to be dishonorable and cowardly, given the officious tone of the post.
My idea of citing sources (antiquated though it may be) is to credit specific information to the sources from which that information was taken. My point was that the line between fact and opinion was deliberately obscured by the poster, which I feel is irresponsible and even dishonest.
I still don't know that I would have removed the post from current events; I tend to have a high tolerance for material posted in public or semi-public fora, so long as dissenters may equally voice an opinion.
There is no such thing as a weed.
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