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my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
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Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Are you saying that just because we can't solve anything by discussing online, we shouldn't post anything at all? 'Cause if that's the case, then why all these posts about Trump?
Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one? - SIGNY
Yes, the same point I make one over and over that you always ignore: just because you "could pay for it on paper" means absolutely nothing in terms of real life. Look at your list! It's ridiculous pie in the sky funding. None of that's going to happen. What CAN happen is almost always different than those dreamy plans you have. Look at who you're dealing with and look at our history.
Now, if you were living in a dictatorship like Trump would like us to be, you could just do it.- CCQuote:when you're asking for political asylum you're looking for protection from your own government. If you start picking and choosing where you want to be an asylee, then clearly OTHER factors are at work ... economic factors ... and you become an economic migrant, not a political asylee.
No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.- SIGNY
They don't want to live in Mexico or they would. Why travel more miles without food and water or very little, if they don't have to? And - FUNDING - Mexico is sure as hell not going to intercede on our behalf after the sh*t Trump has said about them. -CCQuote:I have no idea what her parents went thru. She herself wasn't born in the USA, she's a naturalized citizen so there's no comparison to between her parents' situation and birthright citizenship.
(You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)- SIGNY
Yes of course, if your pregnant mother drags herself across the border and gives birth to you here, bingo, you're a citizen. You do know that's not too much different than what Melanie's parents went through, don't you?- CCQuote:I could say the same, but about 250X that, about Ocasio Cortez. The wall is a trivial amount of funding ($4 billion) in an almost $1T budget. Something like universal basic income would consume the entire budget, and then some!
"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)"
Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?- SIGNY
We're not them and again, funding. Just cuz you can think it up doesn't mean it can happen. That's what Trump and the GOP depend on: people's imaginations being about 1/50th% accurate, but 100% easy to appeal to.Quote:I don't see anything "dictatorial" about them. Many of my suggestions are within the purview of a President. Some require the input of Congress. If enough people are convinced that these are good policies to follow they'll vote that way. It seems to me that you're afraid that people might be convinced to change their minds, instead of being swayed by the bullshit, hysterics, and hype in all directions?
This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed? -SIGNY
I am discussing why many of your ideas won't work unless we lived in a dictatorship.- CCQuote:
I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES severalNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Thursday, July 4, 2019 11:07 PM
There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, July 5, 2019 12:36 PM
Quote:I agree. For all of the blah-blah-blah that's brought to the board here, there hasn't been one policy that I can say is aimed at "nonwhites". People point to Trump's immigration policies and ASSUME that they're based on racism (hmmm... maybe because the ppl making the accusation are themselves racist?) but I can see other more compelling reasons (nationalism, economics, security) to implement the same policies without involving "racism" whatsoever.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And then again, Trump has killed a lot fewer faraway brown people than Obama, or Bush. Obama just got a "pass" because he's a Democrat, and black. (Is that racism, again? Holding people to different standards because of skin color? Just a thought...)
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Friday, July 5, 2019 6:25 PM
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Except that time he said, "God I hate non-whites."
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Friday, July 5, 2019 6:32 PM
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Except that time he said, "God I hate non-whites."
Ya don't say? And he was that polite about it too?
Video or it didn't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, July 5, 2019 6:48 PM
Quote:Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Except that time he said, "God I hate non-whites."
Ya don't say? And he was that polite about it too?
Video or it didn't happen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
JAN. 15, 2018
Donald Trump has been obsessed with race for the entire time he has been a public figure. He had a history of making racist comments as a New York real-estate developer in the 1970s and ‘80s. More recently, his political rise was built on promulgating the lie that the nation’s first black president was born in Kenya. He then launched his campaign with a speech describing Mexicans as rapists.
The media often falls back on euphemisms when describing Trump’s comments about race: racially loaded, racially charged, racially tinged, racially sensitive. And Trump himself has claimed that he is “the least racist person.” But here’s the truth: Donald Trump is a racist. He talks about and treats people differently based on their race. He has done so for years, and he is still doing so.
Here, we have attempted to compile a definitive list of his racist comments – or at least the publicly known ones.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.
html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, July 5, 2019 7:23 PM
CC: Says Trump is racist. Backs up claim by showing a video of CNN's most racist "news" anchor saying that Trump is racist.
Hate to break it to ya, bud. Hillary started the whole birther thing. Trump ran with it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, July 5, 2019 7:29 PM
Quote:He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
CC: Says Trump is racist. Backs up claim by showing a video of CNN's most racist "news" anchor saying that Trump is racist.
Hate to break it to ya, bud. Hillary started the whole birther thing. Trump ran with it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, July 5, 2019 7:36 PM
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
CC: Says Trump is racist. Backs up claim by showing a video of CNN's most racist "news" anchor saying that Trump is racist.
Hate to break it to ya, bud. Hillary started the whole birther thing. Trump ran with it.
Hate to break it to you Einstein, I didn't post the vid.
You do that thing that so many low IQ supporters of Trump do (are there any other kind?): "yeah, but Hillary! But Obama!" I could give a sh*t about either of them. So all 3 are racist - whatever.
My original point was, what do you expect? For him to come out and say, "I hate non-whites?"
All he's done since he's been in office is try and keep non-whites out and deport the non-whites that are here, and attract whites. You're just lying if you don't see that.
I know, I know, you really, really don't give a sh*t - just here to waste everyone's time.
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Friday, July 5, 2019 7:40 PM
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Originally posted by second:
Here, we have attempted to compile a definitive list of his racist comments – or at least the publicly known ones.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.
html
Yeah, he's not even a little racist!
Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.
In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.
In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS” and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
At the White House on Jan. 11, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway.
What I don't get is why Trump supporters pretend to care about it at this point. Why don't they just say, "yeah, he's a bigot and a hard core racist - so?"
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