my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
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Quote:Yeah, because "American Nazis" are SOOOO insistent about not intervening in other nations' internal affairs and SOOOO insistent about making long-term illegal aliens citizens!
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues.
As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer:
Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)
Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.)
Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process.
Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country.
Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants.
STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS
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Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview:
Make english the official language of the USA
Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment
In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them.
Alex, I'll take "Things an American Nazi would say" for $100.
Alex, I'll take "Things a liberaloid troll would say for $50".
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So, this partly belongs in "Who's running in 2020?" but I did manage to listen to some of the debate, and one refrain I heard over and over again was that we would "solve" the migrant crisis by "investing in" the nations south of our border.
While it sounds nice, our "investments" and our "aid" and even IMF "development" loans, have a tendency to be structured such that the real beneficiaries are our banks and our industries and a corrupt local elite. MOST "investment" ("aid", "development loans") wind up going to things like large infrastructural projects that don't help the local economy (dams that displace people and which produce electricity that locals can't afford), production facilities that allow our industries to take advantage of cheap labor abroad (sweatshops in Haiti, maquilladoras in northern Mexico, Purdue chicken farms in S Korea production meant for export etc) or to extract commodities (oil, coffee etc). That, plus any time you create a "money flow" you also encourage corruption: A lot of NGO and USA money flowing into Afghanistan winds up in the pockets of a small group of Afghanis living near "embassy row" in Kabul.
So when I hear about these plans to "invest" in foreign nations, I wince. I can't decide if the candidates who're proposing these "investments" are just naive, indoctrinated, or fully co-opted.
I haven't given much thought to what kind of aid would be most suitable and NOT distort the recipient's economy in some way. Unless someone comes up with a great idea that will help a foreign economy grow organically and be sustainable, I think I would have to be content with "First, do no harm".
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yeah, because "American Nazis" are SOOOO insistent about not intervening in other nations' internal affairs and SOOOO insistent about making long-term illegal aliens citizens!
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues.
As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer:
Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)
Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.)
Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process.
Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country.
Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants.
STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS
*****
Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview:
Make english the official language of the USA
Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment
In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them.
Alex, I'll take "Things an American Nazi would say" for $100.
Alex, I'll take "Things a liberaloid troll would say for $50".
OK - these Nazi things:
"Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process."
"Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country." (like they're packages)
"In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them." how you gonna pay for that? You can't is how, mijo.
"...he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed." They're not all Mexicans. I'm guessing you've had some bad experiences with some Mexicans to single them out like that...?
"Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment " - so you'd ship Melania's parents back?
"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)"
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
Immigration is easy to solve when all you have to do is type on a forum!
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Quote:Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one?
OK - these Nazi things:
"Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process."
"Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country." (like they're packages)
"In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them." how you gonna pay for that? You can't is how, mijo.
Quote:No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.
"...he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed." They're not all Mexicans. I'm guessing you've had some bad experiences with some Mexicans to single them out like that...?
Quote:Are they here illegally? (You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)
"Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment " - so you'd ship Melania's parents back?
Quote:Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?
"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)"
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
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Immigration is easy to solve when all you have to do is type on a forum!
This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed?
I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES several problems, not knee-jerk sound-bites that candidates and liberaloids (or conservatives) would be happy with. The most important part is to look at and eliminate the root cause of migrant crises, and the second most important part is to eliminate our moral culpability for creating those conditions. At the same time, "diversity" is a pointless exercise. Do you think you and your wife would get along better and be stronger together if you didn't speak at least ONE common language? If one of you held a significant grudge against the other? If one of you was committed to the marriage but the other didn't even believe in the institution? Hey, if we're not together on this project called "America" then America isn't going to last.
I tossed in the citizenship pathway (many years ago) to sweeten the pot for making the other necessary changes (making English language official, eliminating birthright citizenship) acceptable. Quid pro quo. The reason why I think citizenship needs to be a REQUIREMENT (not an option) is because I don't believe that any nation is well-served by having a significant number of people living within its borders who're not committed to their nation of residence. This goes for Finns and Canadians and Chinese who're living here illegally (mostly visa overstays) as well as Hispanics (mostly border-jumpers).
Just look at the problems Sweden, Germany, and France are having with ther migrant crises. There are only so many people you can integrate culturally and economically into your system: it's a rate-limiting step.
I recall listening to one of NPR's many OHTHEPOORMIGRANT stories about a guy in South Gate describing how he started coming to a particular park 40 years a
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There's one other aspect of the cause of mass migrations besides war and poverty, and that's the fact that many Central American nations are dominated by, and their governments overwhelmed by, drug cartels.
I don't have a good answer to that, but this is where my musing lead:
There wouldn't be such wealthy drug cartels if there wasn't such a huge market in the USA. Now, there are several ways to reduce that market and make it less profitable (legalization, drug treatment programs, more interdiction) but each of them has its own problems.
However, I will point out that when the formal (legal) economy deteriorates, the illegal economy tends to take over. In Buffalo, when the steel industry collapsed, the Mafia took over. In Detroit, when the auto industry collapsed, the gangs took over. In Russia, when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Russian Mafia managed to snatch up much of the formerly nationalized wealth, and alcohol abuse rose catastrophically and lifespan fell by several years, incredibly. Also, when people are underemployed and insecure about their future and see no way out, they tend to sedate themselves with food, booze, drugs, and social media.
So part of the demand for drugs is based, unsurprisingly, in the parts of the USA that are the most economically depressed.
ONE part of the answer is shoring up the formal economy, and bringing back meaningful productive jobs.
ANOTHER part of the answer, I think, is to make drug treatment programs part of our national Medicare.
A third part of the answer is to legalize pot. (But I think modern strains are way too strong, so legal pot should be at maybe 10% total cannabinoids). I think other drugs are too dangerous to legalize.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one?
Yes, the same point I make one over and over that you always ignore: just because you "could pay for it on paper" means absolutely nothing in terms of real life. Look at your list! It's ridiculous pie in the sky funding. None of that's going to happen. What CAN happen is almost always different than those dreamy plans you have. Look at who you're dealing with and look at our history.
Now, if you were living in a dictatorship like Trump would like us to be, you could just do it.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.
They don't want to live in Mexico or they would. Why travel more miles without food and water or very little, if they don't have to? And - FUNDING - Mexico is sure as hell not going to intercede on our behalf after the sh*t Trump has said about them.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: (You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)
Yes of course, if your pregnant mother drags herself across the border and gives birth to you here, bingo, you're a citizen. You do know that's not too much different than what Melanie's parents went through, don't you?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)"
Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?
We're not them and again, funding. Just cuz you can think it up doesn't mean it can happen. That's what Trump and the GOP depend on: people's imaginations being about 1/50th% accurate, but 100% easy to appeal to.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed?
I am discussing why many of your ideas won't work unless we lived in a dictatorship.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm trying to come up with an integrated policy that SOLVES several problems, not knee-jerk sound-bites that candidates and liberaloids (or conservatives) would be happy with.
That's what a number of your ideas sound like to me. They are sound bites and mostly impractical in real world settings.
"Round 'em up and ship 'em back to wherever they came from!" You have no idea how much that would cost or how you would implement that - total sound bite.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The most important part is to look at and eliminate the root cause of migrant crises, and the second most important part is to eliminate our moral culpability for creating those conditions. At the same time, "diversity" is a pointless exercise. Do you think you and your wife would get along better and be stronger together if you didn't speak at least ONE common language? If one of you held a significant grudge against the other? If one of you was committed to the marriage but the other didn't even believe in the institution? Hey, if we're not together on this project called "America" then America isn't going to last.
I've agreed with you before on one language. I say free English language training for
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There has never been a single instance of anything anywhere to back up any claims that Trump hates non-whites.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I see the GRU ajents are partisipating in the '2016 Trump campane wuz the victim' fairy tale being pushed hard theze dayz.
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Quote:Are you saying that just because we can't solve anything by discussing online, we shouldn't post anything at all? 'Cause if that's the case, then why all these posts about Trump?
Pay for making citizenship a requirement? Pay for increased number of judges? Pay for streamlining the process? Pay for deporting people? It would be such a tiny part of our overall Federal budget, we could pay for it by simply not buying a couple of F35s. Or maybe pulling our troops out of Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Or not sending an aircraft carrier group on a world cruise. I don't understand your point. Do you have one? - SIGNY
Yes, the same point I make one over and over that you always ignore: just because you "could pay for it on paper" means absolutely nothing in terms of real life. Look at your list! It's ridiculous pie in the sky funding. None of that's going to happen. What CAN happen is almost always different than those dreamy plans you have. Look at who you're dealing with and look at our history.
Now, if you were living in a dictatorship like Trump would like us to be, you could just do it.- CC
Quote:when you're asking for political asylum you're looking for protection from your own government. If you start picking and choosing where you want to be an asylee, then clearly OTHER factors are at work ... economic factors ... and you become an economic migrant, not a political asylee.
No. The problem is that Mexico can hold people from Central America if they're requesting asylum in the USA (hmmm... why not request asylum from Mexico, again?) because Mexico is not the nation at fault. However, if there are MEXICANS requesting asylum, where are they supposed to stay? Mexico? They need to go to some third country. Since Trudeau is all about diversity and helping the poor migrants, I thought maybe Canada would be a good choice.- SIGNY
They don't want to live in Mexico or they would. Why travel more miles without food and water or very little, if they don't have to? And - FUNDING - Mexico is sure as hell not going to intercede on our behalf after the sh*t Trump has said about them. -CC
Quote:I have no idea what her parents went thru. She herself wasn't born in the USA, she's a naturalized citizen so there's no comparison to between her parents' situation and birthright citizenship.
(You DO know what birthright citizenship is, don't you?)- SIGNY
Yes of course, if your pregnant mother drags herself across the border and gives birth to you here, bingo, you're a citizen. You do know that's not too much different than what Melanie's parents went through, don't you?- CC
Quote:I could say the same, but about 250X that, about Ocasio Cortez. The wall is a trivial amount of funding ($4 billion) in an almost $1T budget. Something like universal basic income would consume the entire budget, and then some!
"Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)"
Well, it works for Israel and it works for Hungary, so why not here?- SIGNY
We're not them and again, funding. Just cuz you can think it up doesn't mean it can happen. That's what Trump and the GOP depend on: people's imaginations being about 1/50th% accurate, but 100% easy to appeal to.
Quote:I don't see anything "dictatorial" about them. Many of my suggestions are within the purview of a President. Some require the input of Congress. If enough people are convinced that these are good policies to follow they'll vote that way. It seems to me that you're afraid that people might be convinced to change their minds, instead of being swayed by the bullshit, hysterics, and hype in all directions?
This is a DISCUSSION forum, or haven't you noticed? -SIGNY
I am discussing why many of your ideas won't work unless we lived in a dictatorship.- CC
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Originally posted by JO753:
Been offline 4 dayz.
Powr & interweb wirez got ripped by a falling tree in my back yard from the nayborz back yard.
ComEd got the powr bak yesterday. The Comcast cable tek never showed up, so I fixed it myself today.
I see the GRU ajents are partisipating in the '2016 Trump campane wuz the victim' fairy tale being pushed hard theze dayz.
Good video, CC.
I did rite a few storyz in NQaLF: http://www.nqalf.com/STOREZ.html
Hey JO, welcome back! I was wondering where you were! This thread has been added to quite a bit since you were last here, but as you were the only person to actually write up a platform, it could probably use your input!
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