my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
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Originally posted by JO753:
No reply befor kuz I wuz bizzy making stuff.
How dare you!
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Originally posted by JO753:
Also, for about 10,000$ extra, it can hav a very realistic human appearence, female or male! fully functional female or male. She can hardly wait to welkum Raul to her home.
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Originally posted by JO753:
2032 - Georgia iz still 'employed' az a punch press operator at APL. Still gets a paycheck every week. Still payz income taxez, social security, insurans. Still playz the ball game betting pool, puts a dollar into the Lotto pool. And a few timez a week, she even stops in to chat with everybody for a few owrz.
Aside from getting hiz hand crunched in the press, Darnell Jr. (they named him after the painfully skinny old janitor hoo retired last yir kuz her old droid iz hardly more than a stick figure) iz doing great. Raul replased the missing hand in like 2 minits with a new & improved wun. He actually runz 3 pressez kuz he can work so much faster than a human. Don and Dieter wanted to retire anyway, so Howard wuz happy to lower hiz payroll cost. So happy that he desided to be a good Kristian and pay them a pension! Not big - just a few thouzand a yir, rite at the limit before it woud count agenst their social security, but it did wonderz for employee moral wen they showed up at the company picnic and blabbed about it, even tho he told them not to tell anybody.
SO!
Wuts the differens? Georgia iznt forsing her creaky old joints to earn her pay anymore, but the work iz still getting dun. She ownz the droid, so she gets the money.
Wut if the company owned the droid insted?
Yanno, fwiw I never trusted Dieter. He was a selfish arse.
It occurs to me Jo, that story telling is the perfect way to promote NQaLF. By getting people hooked on "what's going to happen next" they will over come the initial resistance their brain might have to the extra effort (as low as it might be). I can't tell you how many times I have been trapped by a home remodel show because if I invest 5 minutes I HAVE TO see how the damn things turns out. They don't have to be long, the story above is perfect.
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It seems, at least to me, that we're all on the same page again. At least kind of...
I'm not arguing either of you on how the system works today, or that it is unsustainable. That is how the system works today, and just like health insurance (or any form of insurance for that matter), social security, real estate, the DOW, and a host of other systems we have in place, it is unsustainable since they're all ponzi schemes.
However, none of that precludes the idea that artificial intelligence is eventually going to take over.
There doesn't need to be a literal droid in every single home for this to happen in the future. Just like there doesn't need to be 100% current US job loss to foreign countries, automation and illegal aliens for the middle class to disappear today.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:She would have been out of a job and never been able to accumulate 2 million dollars.
She ownz the droid, so she gets the money.
Wut if the company owned the droid insted?
Jo, your story is a fairy tale of how automation MIGHT come about without workers losing out, but it depends on a kindly business owner and a freak accident and people near retirement.
We all know that's not wht really happens. Automation means lost jobs. Heck, my JPMChase branch put in "automated tellers" last year and two-thirds of the staff disappeared. That boxing company that you worked at? Jobs would disappear. Truck unloading? Shelf stocking? There are robots for that too. MRI reading? AI. Lost jobs, up and down the payscale.
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Oh BTW, there are parts to the Kunstler interview that made my head explode. ( I DID say that there were parts I disagreed with!)
There were a few things that he said that derailed our listening and turned into a discussion/argument:
The "thinking class" phrase just made me grit my teeth, as did "the economy of less". First of all, even believing that there is a "thinking class" dismisses everyone who isn't in that presumed Ivy-League class as nonthinkers, and you and I know that isn't true! And if the "thinking class" really HAD been thinking, they would have never supported Hillary, or fallen for that RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! disinformation campaign! I tend to think of his "thinking class" as the "rationalization class" who've spent the past five decades simply making fancy excuses for TPTB.
As for the "economy of less" ... well, there are an awful lot of people who simply can't DO with less! Is he proposing the the homeless do with less housing? The uninsured sick do with less medical care? The malnourished and hungry do with less food, or worse food? On the one hand, he acknowledges that he's in a privileged position: He can buy a new tire AND a new battery for his vehicles on the same day. He can be a hobby farmer -one who is having great difficulty engaging the serfs who're working on boutique farms around him in creating a new self-reliant community, because THEY'RE too busy just scraping by! Then OTOH he proposes that people do with "less"? What a tool.
Are those the things that you reacted to? Or was it something else?
I propose a solution of "more": More work for more security. Maybe it would mean less AC - or no AC. Maybe it would mean fewer 20-room mansions. Maybe it would mean fewer unaffordable luxuries like going into hock for fancy weddings, or splurging on a leather jacket, or even less meat. But maybe it would mean knowing that you can eat healthy sustaining food today, tomorrow and for the forseeable future, sleep in a safe home, knowing that the govenment has your back if you get sick and when you retire, or if there's a disaster that is beyond your community's ability to respond to. That your kids will be able to live as well as you do, and their kids and their kids will too. Anyway, that's my idea.
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A/C... what a novelty that would be. The only time I've had A/C in the last 20 years was my apartment in Wisconsin. It wasn't good A/C, but it took the edge off.
I've never had working A/C in a car my entire life.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I can't recall how it worked on Star Trek, but once they figured out how to create stuff virtually out of thin air with machines, they didn't use currency anymore.
The Orville explains it that their form of "currency" is your status in life. They give a nice spin on it as if the currency you have in that universe is strictly merit based and has nothing to do with being born into it.
Sounds great on paper, but you and I both know that even if we had everything we could possibly ever want and money wasn't an issue there would still be those who coveted power above everything else and there would still be a system of classes in place that have nothing at all to do with merit.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:That's a question you didn't answer, except indirectly ... apparently all those OTHER automated companies own theirs, and laid off their workers, instead of letting them reach retirement age.
Originally posted by JO753
Wut if the company owned the droid insted?
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Quote:Well, with global climate shift I think more people are going to need AC. I found out the hard way that people with heart failure ... well, their hearts fail even worse in hot weather. So in addition to making homes more energy-efficient I would probably outfit at least one room with an AC unit so people who needed it could cool off. Then I would drive the electricity prices really high beyond a baseline amount, except for people with medical exemptions (people who need oxygen machines, people with heart failure). That way the option would be there for people to use, and they could decide if it was worth the cost.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
A/C... what a novelty that would be. The only time I've had A/C in the last 20 years was my apartment in Wisconsin. It wasn't good A/C, but it took the edge off.
I've never had working A/C in a car my entire life.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Also, people with basements already have a place to cool off.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Gallup Poll from last month shows 23% of Americans consider Illegal Immigration to be the number 1 problem. This was around 11% at the time of the Election when Trump won.
Dems are helping Trump usher in another term, making it sooooo easy.
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Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues.
As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer:
Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)
Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.)
Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process.
Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country.
Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants.
STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS
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Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview:
Make english the official language of the USA
Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment
In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump will win unless we have another financial freeze-up like we did in 2008, or some other finacial catastrophe ensues.
As far as immigration, IMHO the proposed policy should be a no-brainer:
Secure the border (with a wall, where necessary)
Change immigration laws to require that ONLY political asylees be given authorization, and require them to present themselves at an official port of entry and to wait outside of the USA while their application is being processed. (Justin Trudeau is such a virtue-signalling ninny, he can take in the Mexicans who're waiting for their applications to be processed.)
Deport everyone else post-haste, and hire more judges and streamline the hearing process.
Start doing mass raids for illegals, and ship them out of country.
Continue to apply pressure on Mexico so that it doesn't just "pass thru" migrants.
STOP MEDDLING IN OTHER NATIONS' INTERNAL AFFAIRS
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Now, if you're going to areas that are beyond a President's purview:
Make english the official language of the USA
Drop birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment
In exchange for the two (above) make citizenship a REQUIREMENT, not an option, for anyone who has been living in the USA crime=free for 25 years. If they don't make the grade, deport them.
Alex, I'll take "Things an American Nazi would say" for $100.
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