my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
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Quote:Ummmmm. Are you all yanking our chain?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Oh Jeez...
Originally posted by 1kiki:
One thing I didn't find regarding national debt was whether or not money borrowed (which is in the definition of national debt) = money owed. Because that money is borrowed with interest due. So even if, in any one year, you take in more money than you spend, all that money you still owe is accumulating an interest charge. If you accumulate the interest charge faster than you're paying it down, you can still increase your debt even if you have no deficit.
I didn't even think of that.
Well... If that doesn't paint a depressing picture.
If a few years of surplus (gained by selling out our children's future to China and other international interests) back in the 90's still lead to the deficit growing because of interest rates, what does that say about our situation right now after 8 years of GWB, 8 years of Obama and 2 years of Trump?
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Are you all suggesting that Interest on The National Debt is NOT a Line Item on The Federal Budget? Of course, it is estimated until the completion of the year, because the interest rates are not known in advance, but I have not heard anybody claim that the Deficit does not include the Interest on the National Debt.
The Federal Spending includes the Interest on The Debt.
Or am I confused about what you are claiming?
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Quote:I don't think many people really understand this. Or if they know about it, they just don't believe it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So here is an example of what I was posting about:
You say, for example, that businesses are automating. But they aren't automating to make life easier ... no siree ... they're automating to reduce wages, to keep more money for themselves. That's what a capitalist does. You do a straight-line projection to the day when everyone will be automated out of a job, and then - recognizing the difficulty that people would face buying those goods and that capitalists would face selling them- you assume that the best solution would be to have the government wrench money from the capitalist (or print it) to distribute it "for free" to everyone. But yanno, capitalists, being capitalists, would rather keep their money and if they can't accumulate it by producing and selling goods, then they'll stop producing goods and simply accumulate money by owning and renting out things already in existence: Homes, water, electricity etc. They couldn't give a fig about how easy it is for you to survive, as long as they can keep squeezing something out of you.
What you don't seem to realize is that automation isn't necessary and inevitable, and it isn't even good for people or for the economy.
Whatever the worker gets in Take-Home pay per hour, the employer must expend about twice that per hour to allow them to work.
When the worker suffers the Union negotiations to send their jobs overseas, this cost becomes prohibitive to the employer.
Automation machines are not cheap. They require up-front costs. Many could not be cost-comparable to several minimum wage workers doing the same work. But workers do not want to perform the work. When the Union-exploded wages of the workers vastly exceed the potential costs of paying overseas peasants to do the work (gladly) plus the shipping costs, the employer must decide whether to ship the jobs overseas or replace the lazy overpaid inefficient menial workers with efficient automation machines (and then hope they stay in business long enough to recoup their costs), or close their business. If they don't do one of these things, then either the marketplace will refuse to pay the exorbitant prices for their product, or a competitor will easily undercut them.
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People need to feel in charge of their future. They need to feel confident that they can ensure their future by being a necessary part in creating it, not some dingleberry on the ass end of a government handout (or a "redundant" part of capitalist production).
Expecting the government to give you money "for free" makes you dependent on the government, and it also allows local production to collapse, which makes the local and national economy dependent on production abroad. If you actually have the power to grab money from the wealthy, it would be far better to use that power to increase production and jobs by simply mandating that necessary production and maintenance - agriculture, energy conservation, home retrofitting, environmental restoration, education, infrastructure, steel, aluminum, fabric and clothing, electronics, etc be done at home, with skilled labor. Maybe encourage cooperatives where every worker IS a part-owner.
And why not? The drive towards automation only comes from a drive towards maximum profit. If you're able to think a future where you can corral that profit, go all the way and think of something REALLY new: Put yourself in charge. Give yourself the power.
So stop thinking in FDR terms, and start thinking like someone who is directing their fate.
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Same thing with foreign policy, banking, the environment etc. Put yourself in charge. Think like a person who is directing the future, not like someone who's demanding a handout from TPTB. YOUR future doesn't have to look like "more of the same". Maybe it can't be achieved right away, but yNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
https://www.thoughtco.com/definition-of-national-debt-1146136
The national deficit is officially calculated at the end of the fiscal year. When outlays outnumber revenues in value, the government must borrow money to make up the difference. One of the ways the government borrows money to fund the deficit is by issuing Treasury securities and savings bonds.
The national debt, on the other hand, refers to the value of those Treasury securities issued. In a sense, one way to consider these two distinct, but related terms is to view the national debt as accumulated national deficits. The national debt exists as a result of those national deficits.
https://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-nationa
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In simple terms, a budget deficit is the difference between what the federal government spends (called outlays) and what it takes in (called revenue or receipts). The national debt, also known as the public debt, is the result of the federal government borrowing money to cover years and years of budget deficits.
It's possible to have a yearly surplus (no deficit), and still not be able to pay down the accumulating debt (national debt).
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There will never be a droid in my house. The day everyone has one is the day I'm moving to Mos Eisley.
Alexa is creepy as shit, and half my family invited her in their doors. Most of the rest of them have Siri or OK Google. Hell... Cortana on Windows 10 is bad enough, but at least my laptop screen cam has tape on it and I know how to keep the mic disabled. My desktop doesn't have a cam or mic.
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You are a wize man. I am a litl more careful - I stuk a bit uv sheet metal over the cam to blok infrared.
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Does aluminum tape serve the same function?
https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-18880/3M-Single-Coated-Tapes/3M
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I use this stuff for EVERYTHING.
One of man's greatest inventions IMO.
lol... you should see what I did with my Amazon Fire stick remote after I got a free upgrade when the old one had a borked update and the new one came with the mic. I seriously doubt that Alexa is going to hear anything through that, although it's not very aesthetically pleasing on the coffee table.
Great conversation piece though. 
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Not ignoring. Just not accepting, because you've jumped from a premise all the way to the end without going thru any of the intermediate steps of presenting the how and why in order to convince anyone of your conclusion... There would have to be a worldwide revolution for that to happen...
At the plase I just got fired from they'd set up a new automated system a few months ago. An injection molding press with a bunch uv conveyorz & robot armz to crank out finished parts. Must hav cost 3 or 4 million$ and takes up about 1000 square feet uv floorspace.
Duznt work.
A few timez a week I'd see the pile uv reject parts had gotten bigger during the day.
The vendor had failed to do proper R&D, so a major aspect uv the product duznt meet spesifications. Not even close, so it's been sitting there for a month wile they scrach their hedz trying to figure out how to fix it.
Meanwile, the semi-automated system next to it iz cranking out thouzandz uv the same parts per day and haz been for about 5 yirz. There are only 2 workerz plus the 'cell tech' hoo duz the regular ajustments, maintenens and repairz.
Suppoze you own the factory. Suppoze you see a humanoid droid at the next IMTS trade show assembling products that are more complex than wut your workerz are doing and quite a bit faster than a human coud, at least on a sustained basis.
It coud obviously replase both workerz, so the 100,000$ prise tag iz within reazon.
Wen you realize it coud also replase that entire clunky mess uv conveyorz and robot armz that never really worked rite, the deal iz sealed.
Just put a chair in frunt uv the press (o, wait. he'z a droid, he duznt need to sit!) and it will make parts all day, every day, take up about 10 sq.ft., never complain about the noize, mess & stink. If the product dezine chanjez, just reprogram him (how old fashioned! You just tell him!).
Long before 'Floyd the droid' wearz out, he bekumz obsolete. The new guyz are 10x smarter, can handle bigger loadz, operate twise az fast, change their own batteries and fix themselvez on the rare occasion wen sumthing breaks.
Plus, they cost haf az much!
Hey, honey! Look! A model Fl0EED, 1st jeneration industrial assembly droid for sale on Kraigzlist for only 500 buks! We wont haf to wash dishez or do laundry anymore!
No worldwide revolution required. Its just a continuation uv the direction we've been going for hundredz uv yirz. It's been obvious for decadez that eventually we 'get there'.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Does aluminum tape serve the same function?
Maybe not. It sez '3.6 mil'. I assume thats the total thickness, so the aluminum must be only haf uv that. At sum point uv thiness, you can see thru metal. I beleev IR can get thru even sooner.
You coud try putting it in frunt uv a TV remote and see if it bloks it.
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Yeah... I have to side with JO on this one.
I don't know exactly how we're going to get there, but it is the inevitable outcome, eventually. It won't happen overnight. But it will happen.
As for robots in the homes, we're already being primed for it. And while the price of everything else always goes up, the price of technology is always going down.
It would be interesting to put a list together of all of the marvelous and unbelievable stuff I'd seen on Sci-Fi shows and movies as a kid that are just everyday things we take for granted today. It's a really long list, and it just gets longer every day.
After reading 1984 in my early 20's... the scariest book ever written... I'd wondered to myself "how would we ever get to the point that everyone has televisions that watch you more than you watch it?"
That was long before even flat screen TV's existed. Small flat screen computer monitors had just started to become a thing back then, but that was it.
But fast forward to today and between smart phones, tablets, and entertainment devices, we're already there.
Video game consoles are where it becomes even more worrisome. Not only are they always on, and always connected to the internet, but they have evolved enough to recognize different people in the home by their voice and what they look like, and will log you into your profiles automatically when you enter the room. That's the current generation of consoles that is getting long in the tooth in mid 2019. The next generation is just over the horizon now.
It makes no matter that old dogs like me won't ever have that in their house. It's all about the kids. They don't see any problems with it. By the time they'd be old enough to think about things like that, they will have lived with that intrusive technology in their homes all of their life.
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Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Does aluminum tape serve the same function?
Maybe not. It sez '3.6 mil'. I assume thats the total thickness, so the aluminum must be only haf uv that. At sum point uv thiness, you can see thru metal. I beleev IR can get thru even sooner.
You coud try putting it in frunt uv a TV remote and see if it bloks it.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
http://www.7532020.com .
That's why you put several layers on top of each other.
Like I said, I think you'd get a good laugh out of what my Fire Stick remote looks like.
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