my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
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Quote:My house was $40K in 2010, but with a 2-car garage. This other place has a single car garage.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:That might be true about Milwaukee, but I live in Green Bay. That house is 60% larger than my 3-bedroom, and it is 2-story, so likely 3 or 4 bedroom.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just found out that 2 doors from mine, the house recently got bought for $25,000. That would be a $250 monthly mortgage payment. This is about 20-30 steps away.
The neighborhood? In the opposite direction, there are 2 doors between me and the High School, about 100 steps. The better High School, on the good side of town.
Damn dude. You must live in a pretty sketchy part of town, or that was a foreclosure that is rotting away and had all the pipes taken out or something. $25,000 for a house in Milwaukee? That's borderline Detroit prices.
Just wondering... are you saying that any homes valued under $100,000 should be exempt from property taxes, and/or any value of a home that is under $100,000 on pricey homes should be taxed only above the first $100,000?
I could get on board with that. Even after I reduced my property taxes to less than half of what they were when I moved here, the property taxes that I do pay are around 10% of my net pay for the year, and my home hovers just around $100,000 in value as far as the taxing authority is concerned.
That would free up a nice chunk of change. Most of that money goes to fund schools that I'll never be putting any kids through.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So... your house would be only worth about $15,000 by comparison?
That doesn't sound right in Green Bay either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
That house was a Good Deal. Nobody said poor people should be required to pay the highest prices.
I didn't know it was selling cheap. I'd met the prior resident, but haven't met the new owner.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I don't have any true disagreement with anything you said.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You live in Wisconsin where most food isn't taxed unless it is prepared. That's a state tax, and not the norm as far as I know.
Unless the laws have changed in Wisconsin, that includes soda and junk food. It did when I lived there, anyhow. You're going to have a huge uphill battle getting those taxed because you'd be fighting huge companies like Coke, Pepsi and Nestle. They haven't even been able to remove soda and junk food from SNAP benefits, which are completely untaxed, because of this. Arguments that I've heard are that it's too difficult, which is bullshit, because they managed to do it just fine with alcohol and cigarettes.
I agree that restaurants should be classed as luxury tax in the scenario.
I'm on the fence about pets. I don't own one, but I feel that's an entirely different conversation. There are a lot of health benefits for people who own them, particularly mental and emotional health.
I agree with the Cable TV as well. Luxury.
Basic internet plans should be considered a utility today though, so not luxury. The luxury taxes should only be applied to any additional costs for higher tier plans. (Cost of the higher tier plan, minus the cost of the basic plan before luxury taxes are applied).
You're going to have to be more clear on what you consider "non-luxury rent/mortgage" at only $400 per month. Unless you're living in the middle of nowhere, those prices are section 8 prices. Hell, I don't have rent or a mortgage, but when you factor in property taxes and insurance alone, I'm still paying nearly $200 per month just to live in my paid for house.
I'd be willing to bet that if you wanted to live in the seediest parts of Gary, IN, you could probably pull off $400/mo. But I don't think that living somewhere where there is a reasonable expectation that you won't be burglarized or murdered on any given day is a luxury.
And my property tax rate is cheap in my state. Much cheaper than many other states. I've already had this argument with Second before and proved that because of the differences between state and local taxing authorities, two houses that are valued at the same amount in two different states could see as much as a 300% difference in tax rates. Would we need to start talking that poor people could only live in certain states? If you argue "yes" for this, how do you suppose one would go about moving all of these people and setting them up with their new lives?
I have no clue where you're getting that $50/mo. figure for medical and dental insurance either. Full time employees making $11.50/hr where I work have to pay at least $130 per month for this insurance, and the cost goes up for better plans and additional family members added.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Whatever grocery is untaxed now in any locality would remain exempt from Consumption Tax. No reprogramming needed, just piggyback the system with a different percentage.
Are pets taxed now? Rue indicated pet food is taxed. Most cats and dogs I know get table scraps. If it is taxed now, that tells you the opinion or viewpoint of your locality right now. I do not disagree with the level of Taxation in whatever Tax Hell anybody chooses to live in.
People have said that they could live on a $1,000 per adult per month stipend. How much rent or mortgage are those people paying, whether or not they are splitting it? $100,000 house is about $1,000 mortgage. $1,000,000 house is about $10,000 mortgage. At some point such a value is beyond bare necessity, and enters the realm of luxury. The same house in LA, DC, Alabama, and North Dakota will have different values. Each State or locality already sets their own Tax rates, and this would continue. If the cheapest 20% of homes in a State or commuNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Not American and I wish you guys well in your election, unfortunately its the same crap whereever you go. I would say what could be good for America is giving it a positive vision, a more centrist party for you guys away from the negative politics, non more mud slinging and a vision of the future. There are other key factors job creation for your own people, staying ahead of the other players, trying to put an end to poverty politics, leading the way in technology. At one time I dimissed much conspiracy talk as just conspiracy but I see now across the world stage there are subversive players behind the scenes, I don't know what this 'force' is a technocracy maybe, a Deep state, I'm not sure but if they have been in power they will want to keep that power. Without doubt I would have been close to the left I might have been called 'Libertarian' as you would class it, not sure on Leftism anymore but as I grew old I see how Leftism has changed or de-evolved. the modern Socialism would be a failure, the Bernie camp were screwed by Clintons maybe even rigged, they won't bring it up because Bernie is still part of a larger system just like Trump, Clinton, Obama, Reagan, all a big stage show and you don't really see who pulls the strings. The military industrial complex is a big player behind the scenes, its a global complex network tied into banks with otehr guys like the Saudi, the Iranain, the Turk, the Russian, the French, the British the Israeli, old European royalty other players are making big money from this war business and there are reasons the USA gets stuck inside these endless wars, maybe ask how long must these wars go on and at what cost?
One positive I can say about Trump is he has not started any new wars but I guess he has given power to the machine and continued with old wars. Another positive I guess from Trump is the border, I don't believe he will build that Wall, its all BS in US politics but he has at least adressed the issue, crime is off the scale in some Latin American nations and people do traffick people and naracotics acorss the border, you might think you can help all this illegal stuff fix it give it sanctuary but you can't, don't scheme and come up with strange twisted plans because its impossible to fix everything on this Earth, the drugs that flood across border destroy towns, community and destroy whole cities.... and back the the issue of War mongers? ...The first Gulf War started 1990–1991 who would have thought back then America would continue bombing Iraq for 29 years, almost Thirty Years Now!? Of course every nation should have good military ability, you want to be ahead, a country must be able to defend itself but has the American military machine just become a pawn for other players?
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
One positive I can say about Trump is he has not started any new wars...
It's likely he will start a war with Iran befor the 2020 election. He'z alredy working on it.
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Quote:Another classic prediction.
Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
One positive I can say about Trump is he has not started any new wars...
It's likely he will start a war with Iran befor the 2020 election. He'z alredy working on it.
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Quote:I just found out that the house behind me, 10 ft from my garage, was sold a couple years ago for $40k (the lady moved a few blocks away with some guy). 2 family home, 2 bedroom upstairs, 3 bedroom downstairs (plus full basement). Within a year was sold again for $105K, nothing done to it except some new carpet.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:My house was $40K in 2010, but with a 2-car garage. This other place has a single car garage.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:That might be true about Milwaukee, but I live in Green Bay. That house is 60% larger than my 3-bedroom, and it is 2-story, so likely 3 or 4 bedroom.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just found out that 2 doors from mine, the house recently got bought for $25,000. That would be a $250 monthly mortgage payment. This is about 20-30 steps away.
The neighborhood? In the opposite direction, there are 2 doors between me and the High School, about 100 steps. The better High School, on the good side of town.
Damn dude. You must live in a pretty sketchy part of town, or that was a foreclosure that is rotting away and had all the pipes taken out or something. $25,000 for a house in Milwaukee? That's borderline Detroit prices.
Just wondering... are you saying that any homes valued under $100,000 should be exempt from property taxes, and/or any value of a home that is under $100,000 on pricey homes should be taxed only above the first $100,000?
I could get on board with that. Even after I reduced my property taxes to less than half of what they were when I moved here, the property taxes that I do pay are around 10% of my net pay for the year, and my home hovers just around $100,000 in value as far as the taxing authority is concerned.
That would free up a nice chunk of change. Most of that money goes to fund schools that I'll never be putting any kids through.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
So... your house would be only worth about $15,000 by comparison?
That doesn't sound right in Green Bay either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
That house was a Good Deal. Nobody said poor people should be required to pay the highest prices.
I didn't know it was selling cheap. I'd met the prior resident, but haven't met the new owner.
That $25K house may have been $20K. The daugther got too old to take care of her mom and herself, they moved to a nursing home.
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Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by SECOND:
I'll pick a policy issue: the exploding national debt. Voters don't understand a damn about it and they don't want to.
Quote:That chart must be wrong.
I think voters understand enough to realize that it doesn't matter which party is in the oval office.
I keep hearing Libtards pronounce that Slick Willie REDUCED the DEBT for several years, because he created SURPLUS Budgets!!!!
It cannot be possible that MSM and Libtards are lying to us, can it?
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Well, the chart is national debt, not federal deficit.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, the chart is national debt, not federal deficit.
I thought the same thing at first, but I think JSF is right here.
Shouldn't there be at least a few years where the national debt decreased since we'd been told there were a few years of a surplus under Clinton, or are my wires crossed?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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