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SECOND

Monday, June 17, 2019 4:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh, and BTW? STILL not Trump's fault.

President blames other countries for environmental crisis, in long talk with prince:
Prince Charles spent 75 minutes longer than scheduled trying to convince Donald Trump of the dangers of global heating, but the president still insisted the US was “clean” and blamed other nations for the crisis. Trump said he pushed back at the suggestion the US should do more.

More at www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/05/donald-trump-tells-prince-char
les-us-is-clean-on-climate-change

Trump Administration Hardens Its Attack on Climate Science:
President Trump has rolled back environmental regulations, pulled the United States out of the Paris climate accord, brushed aside dire predictions about the effects of climate change, and turned the term “global warming” into a punch line rather than a prognosis. Now, after two years spent unraveling the policies of his predecessors, Mr. Trump and his political appointees are launching a new assault.

More at www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/us/politics/trump-climate-science.html

Signym, are you sure it is "STILL not Trump's fault"?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, June 17, 2019 11:33 PM

Quote:
President blames other countries for environmental crisis, in long talk with prince... BULLSHITARTISTSECONDRATE

And guess what?? Despite what Trump SAYS, it's STILL not Trump's fault!

I see your error, SECONDRATE. You see to believe that talking, or posting, will change past events. They don't.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

REAVERFAN

Monday, June 17, 2019 11:42 PM

Indian villages lie empty as drought forces thousands to flee
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/12/indian-villages-lie-empt
y-as-drought-forces-thousands-to-flee?fbclid=IwAR09LnfHnjwqYxzjXefuh79FRlra16t954DcZrlCcEPJjDbHnhzUciAzZog

REAVERFAN

Monday, June 17, 2019 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
President blames other countries for environmental crisis, in long talk with prince... BULLSHITARTISTSECONDRATE
And guess what?? Despite what Trump SAYS, it's STILL not Trump's fault!

I see your error, SECONDRATE. You see to believe that talking, or posting, will change past events. They don't.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

Russian trolls need to be quick with the insults, and light on substance.

They'll gladly ignore facts that disprove their points.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 1:17 AM

Quote:
Russian trolls need to be quick with the insults, and light on substance.

They'll gladly ignore facts that disprove their points.

The FACT, troll, is that while Trump isn't doing anything to reduce global climate shift, the multi decades-long accumulation of greenhouse gasses ISN'T Trump's fault. Getting rid of Trump won't solve the problem, but will only allow the possible beginning of effective federal action which BTW hadn't even started by the time Trump was elected.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

And it may be messing with our weather.

June 14

Ice is melting in unprecedented ways as summer approaches in the Arctic. In recent days, observations have revealed a record-challenging melt event over the Greenland ice sheet, while the extent of ice over the Arctic Ocean has never been this low in mid-June during the age of weather satellites.

Greenland saw temperatures soar up to 40 degrees above normal Wednesday, while open water exists in places north of Alaska where it seldom, if ever, has in recent times.

It’s “another series of extreme events consistent with the long-term trend of a warming, changing Arctic,” said Zachary Labe, a climate researcher at the University of California at Irvine...

The extreme conditions in the Arctic, which have resulted in these record-challenging melt events, have far-reaching implications. There is a saying often repeated by Arctic researchers: “What happens in the Arctic doesn’t stay in the Arctic.”

The bulging zones of high pressure in the Arctic, which have facilitated the unusual warmth and intensified melting, are displacing the cold air normally contained in that region into the mid-latitudes — like a refrigerator door left open. Much of the central and eastern United States have seen lower-than-normal temperatures in the past week.

“The jet stream this week was one of the craziest I’ve ever seen!” Jennifer Francis, one of the leading researchers who has published studies connecting Arctic change and mid-latitude weather, wrote in an email.

Francis had earlier suggested that conditions in the Arctic may have played a role in the extreme jet stream pattern that spurred the tornado swarm and record flooding in the central U.S. during the last two weeks of May.

“We can’t say that the rapid Arctic warming is causing this particularly pattern, but it certainly is consistent with that,” Francis, senior scientist at Woods Hole Research Center, said.

*****

Planet is entering ‘new climate regime’ with ‘extraordinary’ heat waves intensified by global warming, study says

‘It is horrid’: India roasts under heat wave with temperatures above 120 degrees

San Francisco soars to 100 degrees as record heat wave roasts California and the West Coast

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/06/14/arctic-ocean-greenla
nd-ice-sheet-have-seen-record-june-ice-loss/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

We're on the tracks and the freight train is closing fast.

Bur don't worry. Democrats think that when they impeach Trump, President Pence will rescue us.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

We're on the tracks and the freight train is closing fast.

Bur don't worry. Democrats think that when they impeach Trump, President Pence will rescue us.

That is the funniest thing about all of this. Nobody knows anything about Pence. All I knew about him was that he was governor of Indiana after Mitch Daniels, and that's still all I know about him.

But why wouldn't Democrats in 2019 want him to take over? They've already professed their adoration and respect for John McCain, they spent a year and a half praising Mueller who previously lied to us about WMD's in Iraq, they've become staunch defenders of alphabet agencies such as the FBI and IRS, and they look back fondly on the "good old days" of the GWB administration.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:47 PM

It's real easy to learn about Pence. Try google.

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:49 PM

How the U.S. Government Is Aggressively Censoring Climate Science
By keeping the public in the dark, federal agencies create an environment where inaction is justified.
https://www.audubon.org/magazine/summer-2018/how-us-government-aggress
ively-censoring-climate

“When you look at the tracker you see that the Trump administration has really undertaken a systematic attempt to silence science that doesn’t support its policies,” Webb says—namely, fossil fuel expansion. Websites focused on climate change have been deleted or rewritten. The word “climate” has been erased from program titles. Climate scientists have been prohibited from attending conferences or otherwise speaking publicly about their work. And scientific advisory boards have been disbanded. So far, Webb has documented evidence of censorship at the White House, NASA, the National Science Foundation, and nine federal agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency.

In some cases, the purge appears to have been ordered by senior leadership; in others, scientists censor themselves to avoid attention or consequences. “The chilling effect that this administration has on the federal agencies—my clients, I’ve never seen them so afraid,” says Kyla Bennett, who represents government whistleblowers for Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, a legal nonprofit.

To Bennett, the motive is clear: “The more you remove [climate change] from public documents and the public eye, the less inclination there is for people to worry about it and want to do something about it.” Pretending the problem doesn’t exist also permits agencies to ignore it in policymaking. For example, in the months before the EPA announced its repeal of the Obama administration’s central carbon pollution-reduction policy in October 2017, references to climate change were wiped from many of its websites and climate scientists were reassigned to new departments. “In the absence of climate change, you don’t need something like the Clean Power Plan,” Bennett says.

So much for the idea that it's not Trump's fault.

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:56 PM

WHY CLIMATE EXPERTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT TRUMP'S NEW PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND NATIONAL SECURITY
Multiple proposed panelists have publicly expressed their skepticism of human-caused climate change.
https://psmag.com/environment/trumps-new-panel-on-climate-change-and-n
ational-security

The Trump administration has quietly begun to assemble a panel to review connections between climate change and national security.

Former United States Ambassador C. Paul Robinson may be leading the review panel, two sources who are involved in the talks told E&E News. Robinson has been a key player in policy discussions about nuclear weapons and national security, but has no previous experience discussing climate science, climate change, or climate policy. Others slated for the panel include scientists with contrarian views on climate change and people with ties to the fossil fuel industry.

The Trump administration introduced its plan for the panel earlier this year. It's a modified version of an earlier plan created by William Happer that would have established a federal advisory panel to challenge the notion that climate change threatens national security.

Here's what you need to know about President Donald Trump's newest panel.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S HISTORY WITH PANELS (AND CLIMATE SCIENCE)
"[The] Trump administration has made it a top priority to attack climate science at every turn," says Kassie Siegel, director of the Climate Law Institute at the Center for Biological Diversity. In 2017, Trump disbanded a federal climate panel tasked with evaluating the National Climate Assessment, and, in 2018, he created a wildlife protection panel mostly composed of trophy hunters and politically connected donors to hunting groups. In addition, the Trump administration has rewritten the mission statements of various government agencies, such as the Department of the Interior, and has promoted the deregulation of fossil fuels through the Environmental Protection Agency.

"There have been a lot of major concerns about censorship or risk of censorship of climate science. That's something that is fairly scary to a lot of scientists right now," says William Anderegg, assistant professor in the Department of Biology at the University of Utah, who completed a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Climate & Global Change Postdoctoral Fellowship at Princeton University.

There is a clear scientific consensus regarding climate change. A 2016 study published in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Research Letters found that 90 to 100 percent of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate change is happening, and it is caused by humans. (This affirmed a previous, widely cited study that found that number to be 97 percent, a figure that NASA also cites.)

"Broadly, the system seems to be continuing on and communicating the risks of climate change," Anderegg says. "But there are some major worrying signs, and this new proposed panel is a good example of that."

WHO WILL BE ON THE PANEL?
In the panel's selection process, people with contrarian views on climate change—many with ties to the fossil fuel industry—have been disproportionately prioritized. (The Trump administration has continuously backed individuals with strong ties to the oil industry.)

A Greenpeace investigation revealed that Happer, the physicist and National Security Council senior director who created the original plan for the panel (and was set to lead it), had previously expressed willingness to produce research on the benefits of carbon dioxide—on behalf of fossil fuel companies—at a rate of $250 an hour.

One person currently slated for the new panel is Richard Lindzen, a retired Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor who has been publicly skeptical of climate change science and has labeled belief in global warming a cult. He has also received money from Peabody Energy, the world's biggest private-sector publicly traded coal company, to publi

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