How to betray democracy (Brexit)
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UPDATED: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 06:56
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The choices are hard Brexit or May's deal (no-exit Brexit) or second referendum (no-exit), given that the EU insists that no other exit treaty can be negotiated. If there isn't a decision in Parliament, then it is hard Brexit when the EU stops giving deadline extensions to the dithering old fools in Parliament.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/24/eu-leaders-stress-respect-for
-may-and-refusal-to-renegotiate-brexit-deal
www.ft.com/content/9b1ab5b6-7d66-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560
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The former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks that he can force the EU to give the UK a better Brexit deal. He is wrong.
Britain must be ready to leave the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31, former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Sunday, as he set out his pitch to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.
“If you’re not willing to walk away from a negotiation, it doesn’t focus the mind of the other side,” Raab told the BBC. “If you do that you can be really credible in Brussels.”
Raab said he would prefer Britain left with a deal but that he did not want to delay the planned Oct. 31 departure date. He also said he believed Britain would only be legally obliged to pay about 14 billion pounds ($18 billion) of the current 39 billion pound exit bill if there was a no-deal Brexit.
www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-raab/uk-must-be-ready-to-leave-e
u-without-a-deal-leadership-contender-raab-idUSKCN1SW0AS
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Originally posted by second:
The former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks that he can force the EU to give the UK a better Brexit deal. He is wrong.
Britain must be ready to leave the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31, former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Sunday, as he set out his pitch to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.
“If you’re not willing to walk away from a negotiation, it doesn’t focus the mind of the other side,” Raab told the BBC. “If you do that you can be really credible in Brussels.”
Raab said he would prefer Britain left with a deal but that he did not want to delay the planned Oct. 31 departure date. He also said he believed Britain would only be legally obliged to pay about 14 billion pounds ($18 billion) of the current 39 billion pound exit bill if there was a no-deal Brexit.
www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-raab/uk-must-be-ready-to-leave-e
u-without-a-deal-leadership-contender-raab-idUSKCN1SW0AS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Isn't the EU wonderful?
Extortion to stay, al la cell phone contract cancellation fees.
I'm assuming nobody read the fine print, since it seems foolish that one of the strongest if not the strongest contributor since the EU's inception is going to be forced to pay anywhere from $215 to $600 per person for cancelling their contract (early). Assuming that early was anywhere before the end of time, that's an especially bad deal.
I'd say just threaten Germany and France with war over it and watch their ball sacks shrink to peanuts, but then again, even at the high end only $39 billion?
At 6.8 Million per minute, the US will have spent $39 Billion by the time of this post on Thursday morning.
Sure. 14 and 39 Billion sound like a terrible deal when you keep hearing how hard it is for Trump to secure 5 billion for a wall.
But when you realize that the US will have pissed away nearly twice that price by the time of this post tomorrow morning, it doesn't sound like much, does it?
No deal. Just leave.
Then sit back and watch it crumble.
Take your time paying it back too. It will be worth the interest, because you're not going to have to pay it all back when the EU dissolves. I doubt that either France or Germany would be so gauche as to try to collect on it after that happened.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits are so fed up with "things as they are" that their vote for Brexit and their subsequent vote for the Brexit Party is much like the vote for Donald Trump, or for any of the nationalist parties in the EU Parliamen election. People threw up on the idea of "more of the same" ... they just couldn't stand it anymore. Theresa May failed on more than just Brexit, as this article makes clear. The situation in England is very much like the situation in France (yellow vest) and the situation in the USA ... Large urban areas/ financial centers are benefitting from "free money" from the central banks, but the more rural areas (here called the "flyover states" or "basket of deplorables", in England the areas outside of London and in France any village and town that is not Paris) are actually doing poorly to very poorly. That explains the voting pattern for Trump, and Brexit, and the yellow vest movement in France.
The global banks and transnationals are sucking the world dry. The problems could be bank-mandated "austerity" or it could be offhsoring or it could be mass migrations - each nation experiences the demands of globalism differently - but there is a strong "nationalist" movement across the northern hemisphere in reaction to the exploitation going on. Time for the merry-go-round to stop.
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May Ends In June
Authored by W Stephen Gilbert via Off-Guardian.org,
History will not be kind to Theresa May. By the standards she forthrightly set herself at the outset of her premiership, she has been a dismal failure. She proposed that, contrary to most impartial expectation, she would be a socially liberal prime minister who would strive to relieve the economic pressure on the poorest members of British society (the briefly famous “just about managing”), but the only small concessions towards the relief of poverty that have been wrung from her government have done nothing to reduce the incidence of homelessness, food banks and wage rates that undershoot the demands made by private landlords, services starved of funds and price rises.
And that’s without even mentioning Brexit.
Following the self-inflicted disaster of the 2017 general election, in which May utterly failed to project herself with any conviction as “strong and stable”, she became, in George Osborne’s devastating phrase, “a dead woman walking”.
That campaign was the most complacent, least effective ever fought by a major political party in Britain, and the only explanation for the media’s astonishment at the result can be that editors and columnists had so convinced themselves that they had rendered Jeremy Corbyn, in their description of choice, “unelectable” that they could see no outcome other than a thumping Tory victory. What they could not see was that Corbyn is an inspired and inspiring campaigner, while May is as dull as ditchwater.
The social media commentator Aidan Daley summed her up admirably: “Mayvis: a political nonentity of such crushing mediocrity and insignificance that even when standing in direct sunlight she casts no shadow. A third-rate office manager elevated light years beyond her intellectual capacity, professional capabilities and pay grade. A national embarrassment and global laughing stock”.
This unsparing but unarguable buttonholing raises a historical problem for the Conservative Party that shows no sign of quick resolution. When May was elected Tory leader and hence prime minister, the field of choice was notable for its lightweight uniformity. Given the length of her cabinet experience, May clearly outshone her rivals, if not in charisma (a quality conspicuously lacking from the field). But the quality of leadership of the party has been modest at best for years. Among Tory leaders since the war, only Margaret Thatcher has managed to catch the climate of her timeNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....
The stupid shit you post - amazing. You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?
I think Brits feel the way they feel because - unlike you- I actually listen to what Brits have to say, using a variety of sources (from NPR and BBC to listening to Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson directly.) You might have noticed, for example, that the article that I quoted was from the Off guardian which is ... wait for it... British!
And then, the polls which show a disasterous fall for the Tories (after they betrayed their Brexit promise) and the meteoric rise of the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage are excellent indicators of how Brits feel!
The person who specializes in uneducated feels in you, GSTRING. You quite obviously can't be bothered to look things up for yourself, you have no interest in finding out what's actually going on, all you do is plug your fingers in your ears and then stick your head up your ass.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?
I think Brits feel the way they feel because - unlike you- I actually listen to what Brits have to say, using a variety of sources (from NPR and BBC to listening to Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson directly.) You might have noticed, for example, that the article that I quoted was from the Off guardian which is ... wait for it... British!
And then, the polls which show a disasterous fall for the Tories (after they betrayed their Brexit promise) and the meteoric rise of the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage are excellent indicators of how Brits feel!
The person who specializes in uneducated feels in you, GSTRING. You quite obviously can't be bothered to look things up for yourself, you have no interest in finding out what's actually going on, all you do is plug your fingers in your ears and then stick your head up your ass.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Wrong and just plain ignorant as always. Unlike you, I don’t pretend I know what’s going to happen in the future. Nor do I pretend to know what “the Brits” think based on a couple news articles - and really?? NPR is one your sources?
I thought you hated M$M? Or maybe you’re just spamming the board again... 
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Quote:Who says I read "a couple" of news articles?
Nor do I pretend to know what “the Brits” think based on a couple news articles - and really?? NPR is one your sources?
And tell me, silly, how do YOU figure out what's going on? Because if you don't think that reading the news from a wide variety of sources will help, then what's your secret to knowledge? Or, do you simply not hope to know anything at all, and revel in being an ignorant twat?
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Unlike you, I don’t pretend I know what’s going to happen in the future.- GSTRING
FYI... making predictions is part of the scientific method. Making predictions is the only way to find your errors and sharpen your knowledge, and that only happens when you fail. Making erroneous predictions is absolutely essential to learning: You should try it sometime.
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Maybe what you object to was my overly-broad characterization of "Brits". I know that "Brits" are divided on the topic of Brexit. But the referendum was 52 leave versus 48 remain and the results haven't changed much since. Since the Tories stabbed their constituents in the back, the Brexit party picked up almost all of their votes and is now the largest party in 9 of 10 regions; I think the results speak for themselves. The next-largest party was the Lib-Dems - solid "remainers" who have never wavered from their stance. The jellyfish in the middle have been abandoned.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:There's nothing wrong with making predictions. It's even better when you make them public.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Unfortunately, those who make predictions around here seldom recognize when they're wrong, therefore they never learn. Look at THUGR: He based his tick tock on the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hoax, and when that failed to materialize he simply goal-shifted and reset the clock.
And some predictions, like worldwide extinction ... well, some of them you just don't want to have to say "I told you so".
Life on earth is very durable, and humans are pretty durable too. Unless we fall into "planet Venus" territory, life will find a way. However, human civilizations ... life as we know it ... will flame out. There will be a future that is hot, where many species have died and the world is no longer a rich, productive, and diverse ecology but where mostly weeds and a few humans will survive. That's my prediction, anyway.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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