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Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:See what I mean? Here I am, sitting comfortably at my kitchen table in a suburb of LA, with no ties whatsoever to RUSSIA!!!! and an eight-year history of poting here, and every time you even IMPLY tha I'm a "Russian troll" ... well, it's just one more reminder of how completely deluded you are.
Trying to have rational discussions with rational people, which is impossible with you. - SIGNY
Sure you are, Cleopatra.
Half of these people can barely be called PEOPLE, let alone rational...
You can go to a coffee shop and have "rational discussions"...You and Rue are here for a reason, and as long as you keep pushing Commie Crap agendas, I'll be here to push back.
Please pass along this message to your "dear leader"...
Thanks!
-TWTCHY
Once upon a time this used to be great place to converse; there was none other like it on the internet that I knew of. What made it so unique was that Firefly attracted a uniquely diverse set of political beliefs - "market forces" libertarians like SARGEX and anarcho-libertarians like FREM, committed deep-staters who probably retired from one of those alphabet agencies like GEEZER, classical liberals like MAGONSDAUGHTER (Australia) and NIKI, southern conservative Republicans like AURAPTOR, then-current military people like FINN, cynics like KWICKO and JONGSSTRAW, anti-corporates/anti-interventionists like SUCCOTASH and GINOBIFFARONI, technical people like RUE (KIKI), all-around nice people like CHRISISALL and ANTHONYT, and people whose unique points of view could never be captured by a label ... like BYTEMITE and DREAMTROVE... but who always had insightful things to say. They all had two things in common:
1) Firefly and
2) They could (mostly) be counted on to DISCUSS things, take into account and respond directly and topically to what the other person had posted. Name-calling, personal attacks, defamation was nearly unheard of (except for GEEZER who was - like SECONDRATE= constantly strawmanning and deflecting.)
I could learn a lot coming here, and I did. I learned a lot about libertarianism, for example, something I'd never stumbled across before. If I wanted to know what Rush Limbaugh was saying, I could find it here. If I wanted to know what some people outside of the USA were saying (GINO, MAGONS, SARGEX), I could find it here too. I learned a lot about the varied POV that make up the USA and the world. My ideas were challenged, and I changed my mind on more than a few topics: the death penalty (against), the role of big government (should be limited as much as possible) and centralization (ditto), globalization (against), Democratic and Republican parties (equally corrupt).
As you know, I have strong opinions. But my opinions aren't unchangeable, I'm always looking for a chance to learn, to hear new insights and wonder How the hell did the come up with THAT?, to parse thru aassumptions, facts, and logic and unknot errors and find new ideas.
But I'll tell you, TWITCHY, that does not include being bullied and defamed by hate-filled people who show me every day that they're deluded to the point that they can't tell reality from fiction. What can I learn from THAT, except that some people are incredibly gullible, emotional, and nasty and can only tolerate confirmation-bias?
Recent Sig conversation:
Me: “I’m pro business rights.”
Sig: “Good to know you’re a facist!”
You’re either a hypocrite or just running up your post count.And this about the fifth time in recent memory you’ve gone all soft on the good ole days of rwed. I remember it well and it wasn’t for softies - there was plenty of vicious snark.
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Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:55 PM
Quote:YOUR post was in the context of defending large transnational tech companies' "rights". There was nothing in there about "small business' rights" or "mom & pop shop" rights.
Recent Sig conversation:
Me: “I’m pro business rights.”
Sig: “Good to know you’re a facist!”
Now, WHAT IS FASCISM? (A question you repeatedly refuse to engage.)
Fascism is GOVERNMENT IN SERVICE TO CORPORATIONS.
What are BUSINESS "RIGHTS"?
Business "rights" are authorities allowed and enforced BY THE GOVERNMENT. It could be the "right" of a corporation to control its intellectual property. It could be the "right" of a corporation to schedule its emloyees and manage its business. It could be the "right" of a business not to serve blacks, or gays. It could be the "right" of a business to strictly ban unions. It could be the "right" of a business to "free speech", or to pollute the environment, or to hide profits in overseas subsidiaries.
It could be the "right" of a business to censor speech and control person-to-peron communication. You didn't limit or explain WHICH business rights you were in favor of.
So in other words, you believe in the government passing and enforcing laws ("rights") in favor of [big] business, business "rights" which run contrary to the public interest. In other words, fascism.
Go through this with me. Explain to me how government defense of corporations controlling communication content is NOT fascism. I'd be interested to find out.
Quote:There was a lot of snark, but it wasn't complete delusion. I remember specifically losing my cool with one poster who was completely taken in by the "Saddam WMD" hoax. In particular, his justification was that the UN had approved of our invasion, and in support he kept refering to an older UN resolution. I went thru this in great detail with him: That UN Resolutions superseded each other so that later resolutions voided previous ones. I went thru the UN charter, I posted the definitions of "supersede", I even posted REAL examples of where the UN authorized use-of-force, but nothing I posted made a dent. So I think I let loose with a volley of insults.
And this about the fifth time in recent memory you’ve gone all soft on the good ole days of rwed. I remember it well and it wasn’t for softies - there was plenty of vicious snark.
But you, TWITCHY, REAVERBOT, SECOND, THUGR ... you guys are completely deluded about some things, or you're just flat-out lying. You bully, defame, lie, and deflect constantly. That makes up somewhere between 85-99% of your posts. Basically, you guys meet the classic definition of "troll". Now prove me wrong. Audit your own posts. Do a count of how many of your posts were insults, and how many were on-point. Link to where you were actually TOPICAL in your response. Betcha you won't.
And cue the insults, deflection, and defamation in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:30 PM
Quote:I recall a RWED which was just a bit kinder and gentler than now. But that was before G-String or THUGGR were here, or two changed to second.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:YOUR post was in the context of defending large transnational tech companies' "rights". There was nothing in there about "small business' rights" or "mom & pop shop" rights.
Recent Sig conversation:
Me: “I’m pro business rights.”
Sig: “Good to know you’re a facist!”
Now, WHAT IS FASCISM? (A question you repeatedly refuse to engage.)
Fascism is GOVERNMENT IN SERVICE TO CORPORATIONS.
What are BUSINESS "RIGHTS"?
Business "rights" are authorities allowed and enforced BY THE GOVERNMENT. It could be the "right" of a corporation to control its intellectual property. It could be the "right" of a corporation to schedule its emloyees and manage its business. It could be the "right" of a business not to serve blacks, or gays. It could be the "right" of a business to strictly ban unions. It could be the "right" of a business to "free speech", or to pollute the environment, or to hide profits in overseas subsidiaries.
It could be the "right" of a business to censor speech and control person-to-peron communication. You didn't limit or explain WHICH business rights you were in favor of.
So in other words, you believe in the government passing and enforcing laws ("rights") in favor of [big] business, business "rights" which run contrary to the public interest. In other words, fascism.
Go through this with me. Explain to me how government defense of corporations controlling communication content is NOT fascism. I'd be interested to find out.Quote:There was a lot of snark, but it wasn't complete delusion. I remember specifically losing my cool with one poster who was completely taken in by the "Saddam WMD" hoax. In particular, his justification was that the UN had approved of our invasion, and in support he kept refering to an older UN resolution. I went thru this in great detail with him: That UN Resolutions superseded each other so that later resolutions voided previous ones. I went thru the UN charter, I posted the definitions of "supersede", I even posted REAL examples of where the UN authorized use-of-force, but nothing I posted made a dent. So I think I let loose with a volley of insults.
And this about the fifth time in recent memory you’ve gone all soft on the good ole days of rwed. I remember it well and it wasn’t for softies - there was plenty of vicious snark.
But you, TWITCHY, REAVERBOT, SECOND, THUGR ... you guys are completely deluded about some things, or you're just flat-out lying. You bully, defame, lie, and deflect constantly. That makes up somewhere between 85-99% of your posts. Basically, you guys meet the classic definition of "troll". Now prove me wrong. Audit your own posts. Do a count of how many of your posts were insults, and how many were on-point. Link to where you were actually TOPICAL in your response. Betcha you won't.
And cue the insults, deflection, and defamation in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
I think I didn't participate as much then in this part of the board, largely because for that type of discussion I was on a different board. But it was still the roughest section of this board.
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Friday, May 10, 2019 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think I didn't participate as much then in this part of the board, largely because for that type of discussion I was on a different board. But it was still the roughest section of this board.
You don't really participate NOW. I don't think I've seen anything halfway intelligent out of you in years.
Take away the times you jump on 6ix's bandwagon and try to poke fun at me for having sex *gasp* WITH MY HUSBAND, and the posts where you try to justify not taking meds for whatever neurological disorder you have....really...WHAT'S LEFT?
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Friday, May 10, 2019 12:49 AM
I would hope to have RIGOROUS discussions with people here. Sometimes rigor can be hard-edged, but it doesn't have to be personal.
TWITCHY, I've tried to limit myself to topical answers to your posts, but when you jump in and insult people in threads which aren't even political and you aren't being mentioned, WTF do you expect???
I guarantee you that I have, and will continue, to post opinions which both democrats AND republicans, neo-liberals AND conservatives will find uncomfortable: I'm an equal-opportunity disrupter! And when you guys will stop being such tools, I promise to turn up the volume on my criticisms of Trump.
Your turn. Ball's in your court.
PS: JSF's post about the tone of this forum was far more intellligent than anything you've posted in a long time. Now show us that you can post without the egregious insults and I'll do the same.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Friday, May 10, 2019 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And cue the insults, deflection, and defamation in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Okay, Cleopatra, I'll bite.
Do you deny that you said the US should give over its nukes TO RUSSIA to avoid an imaginary future war with Russia?
Do you deny deleting the page where you said that??
Do you deny staging a conversation with Rue about how you "changed your mind" to try to cover up what you said on this subject?
Do you deny that you say repeatedly that Russia isn't a threat, when it's abundantly clear by these statements that you think they are??
Can you even remotely grasp why we believe you to be working for Russia?? All you do is complain about us saying it, but you've somehow NEVER DENIED IT.
I'd love to know how you think anything you will ever say here could ever be taken seriously after that crap.
You laid down your cards and they revealed that the two of you are absolutely off your rockers, or traitors (if you are even IN this country) ta boot.
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Friday, May 10, 2019 1:25 AM
Quote:Yes. I deny it, I never posted such a thing. And I asked you for a quote and a link as to where that was, and you never posted one. All I can figure is that you misread/misunderstood something that I posted and now your're convinced ... CONVINCED, I tell you! ... that I post-edited something. Sorry, I can't help you with your brain hiccup. But since I post frequently, it seems that if that was my true opinion I would have posted something like that more than once. So go look it up, take all the time you need to calm your suspicions.
And cue the insults, deflection, and defamation in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...- SIGNY
Okay, Cleopatra, I'll bite.
Do you deny that you said the US should give over its nukes TO RUSSIA to avoid an imaginary future war with Russia?
Quote:Of course I deny it, because I never did. (BTW, it is impossible for a user to delete "a page". You can delete your own posts ... unless someone posts with quote and then your post is there for all posterity, unless you can get them to delete it too. And if you remove the title from a thread that you yourself started you can make it impossible to find unless someone knows the actual ID# that the database assigns to that thread, but deleting "a page" is impossible.)
Do you deny deleting the page where you said that??
Quote:Huh? WTF are you going on about? I don't recall posting a conversation about "changing my mind" on this topic, but if you say that I "staged" a conversation about this, it should still be available. Go find it, then. (The only issue that I changed my mind on was whether or not the Mueller report should be unredacted.)
Do you deny staging a conversation with Rue about how you "changed your mind" to try to cover up what you said on this subject?
Quote:Russia really has very scary deterrence, including those submarine drones armed with nuclear warheads parked off our coasts, designed to create tsunamis to flood our coastal cities. Not an aggressive threat, but a really butt-puckering deadman switch which we would do well to pay attention to.
Do you deny that you say repeatedly that Russia isn't a threat, when it's abundantly clear by these statements that you think they are??
Quote:Not at all. I've only ever posted about AMERICAN interests, and how I believe we are fucking them up. YOU'RE the one who's obssessed with Russia.
Can you even remotely grasp why we believe you to be working for Russia??
Quote:OH PUHLEEZ!!! I have denied over and over again that I'm Russian, I've denied working for Russia, I've denied Russian connections. I can see your paranoia cranking up, again.
All you do is complain about us saying it, but you've somehow NEVER DENIED IT.
Sentence by sentence you're working yourself into a complete fucking tizzy, until you post something that is demonstrably, provably false; which EVERYONE knows is false, and which YOU would know is wrong if you didn't have your head stuck so far up your ass.
*I'd love to know how you think anything you will ever say here could ever be taken seriously after that crap.*
Indeed.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Friday, May 10, 2019 4:09 AM
Ooops, you just gave away the game here in this ONE sentence...
"... which EVERYONE knows is false"
Like I said, there were other people on that thread. They have chosen to remain quiet because dealing with you is beyond stupid, but you know it and I know it.
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This is what happens when you click on the thread in question.
I don't know or care how you did it, but you will NEVER EVER erase it from my or my families memory. I just wish I had reposted it in a dozen other threads...
You are both traitors, no matter how much you try to cover it up. 
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Friday, May 10, 2019 5:57 AM
Wow. Absolutely crazy and a liar. That's quite an imagination you've got Wishy. You need to get back on your meds, like yesterday.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, May 10, 2019 10:39 AM
Quote:... they were afraid of hurting my feelings by calling me a "Russian troll"?
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Ooops, you just gave away the game here in this ONE sentence...
"... which EVERYONE knows is false"
Like I said, there were other people on that thread. They have chosen to remain quiet because...
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
How about THIS, TWITCHY: They have chosen to remain quiet because they know you've got bats in your belfry on this issue?
Quote:WHAT is "the thread in question"? WHAT is the title? Maybe it can still be retrieved? Have you tried emailing Haken?
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Give me the title and I'll see if I can recover any of it.
Quote:I wish you had too. Anything to quell this deep paranoia you've got going. Otherwise, you sound like a complete lunatic.
I don't know or care how you did it, but you will NEVER EVER erase it from my or my families memory. I just wish I had reposted it in a dozen other threads...
Has anyone checked you for bipolar disorder?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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