The drugs thread - marijuana, tobacco, caffeine, cigarettes et al

POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Monday, March 30, 2026 18:14
VIEWED: 21647
PAGE 2 of 9

Just for snickers, about side effects...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SideEffectsInclude?from=Mai
n.YesButWhatDoesZataproximetacineDO
Wacky fun, that.

As for the rest - all things in moderation is a good policy, as well as use the minimum necessary.

And a mild rant here...
See, I've been forbidden to even try to quit smoking, mind you everyone else seems to have the assumption that I might WANT to, which I do *not* - I picked up the habit because it was far more effective than the hellsbrew of antipsychotics and mood altering crap the school system and its pet docs were pushing and they were more than happy to look the other way about it given it reduced the likelyhood of other students getting hospitalized.
Furthermore, I happen to ENJOY my offensive habit - I roll my own out of smuggled, untreated bulk tobacco and I don't smoke on-duty cause it looks unprofessional and gives away your position, nor will I do so in the immediate presence of others save in my own residence and even then not near kids...
But no, everyone in the universe wants to push, push, push, dictate my own damn behavior and act like the very notion invades their space somehow - believe me I wanted to do that I'd get up close and personal and smoke an entire reekin panatella right on top of em.

Anyhows, that flaky neuro-condition which near killed me a while back is one of them things which never quite ever goes AWAY, you see, and one of the things which substantially aggravated it while in the hospital, accelerating it from cute little varicella pox to epic plague of biblical boils was the additional stress caused by a non-smoking environment - it's been noted several times in my medical file that regardless of medical support I recover better in my "Lair" and a big part of that is my smokes and coffeemaker cause throwing withdrawl on top of an existing medical crisis is IMHO bloody stupid.

Well, cause of that neuro-whateveritis, I cannot get too far away from my Lair or for two long, or the stress thereof will run down my immune system and cause a relapse, which has a progressive chance of immediate fatality via stroke - and you know what ELSE would cause that same level of stress and risk of death ?
Yeah - of course that'd presume I WANTED to quit, which I don't, and frankly living in Brooklyn/Curtiss Bay for some time did more potential respiratory damage than smoking ever could, not to mention if THAT alone is what kills me it'll be a hell of a surprise.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-09-18/news/bs-ed-incinerator-201
10917_1_incinerator-project-hawkins-point-clean-water-action

Quote:

---

According to the Environmental Protection Agency's Toxic Release Inventory, existing facilities in the Curtis Bay, Brooklyn, and Hawkins Point neighborhoods emitted over 13.5 million pounds of hazardous air pollutants in 2009. It is not surprising that those same communities have some of the highest death rates from chronic lower respiratory disease in Baltimore City.

The EA incinerator will add to this existing toxic soup, producing ash and gases that contain known carcinogens linked to asthma, bronchitis, developmental delay and nerve damage.

Energy Answer's permit also authorizes it to emit 240 pounds of mercury each year — as much as is currently emitted by large coal-fired plants.

---

For thems that don't already know, that area is a tiny little strip of land which clearly illustrates the NIMBY principle - there's like a dozen chem plants, a couple landfills, a bunch of incinerators, all in this tiny area, and the Brooklyn/Curtiss Bay neighborhood is downwind of toxic hellsbrew of chems resulting in sixty times the national average of respiratory disorders and lung cancer - when questioned on this city council officials stated that more people in that neighborhood smoke...
*rolling eyes*
One of my first legit jobs that paid well was security for one of the plants down there, a lot of which involved chasing nosy busybodies away from our illegal dumping sites, clearing the birds which dropped dead tryi

NOTIFY: N  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Okay, I'll bite...sigh...

Magons, initially you didn't say "heavy use over a long time", you said "heavy use AND long term". If you're going to change the parameters, then it's a different debate. My argument, again, is that it's less deleterious than alcohol and tobacco. I took issue with your "long-term" because I am a long-term user, tho' in small quantities, and I have friends who have been, also in small quantities. There is no question in my mind that if one smokes several entire joints in a day over years, of COURSE it will have serious consequences.

The questions re: mental illness and drugs. Of course we self-medicate; most of us before diagnosis, some after. I don't think bipolar drugs are particularly harmless; in that case it's a matter of the good outweighing potential bad, for ME. I choose to take them, tho' I suffer some consequences and the psychotropics I take (Effexor and Lamictal) are still so new that nobody knows what the long-term use will cause. But when it comes to marijuana, again, it didn't cause my predisposition to manifest, being in the corporate world "long term" did that.

Oh, Anthony, don't get me STARTED on "legal drugs"! Me, I laugh when I hear that litany of side effects regarding drugs that aren't even necessary--like the one I'm currently hearing about a medication to LENGTHEN YOUR EYELASHES, for gawd's sake! More kids these days get high off mommy's medicine cabinet than dope, I would guess, as that's a serious problem. I won't let myself get started on legal drugs, or I'd go on all day.

Mike, amusingly I'm smoking one of those right now. I switched a while ago and now roll my own "king" cigs, in which I put two filters. I, too, heard someone say it helped them quit, but it hasn't worked for me....then again, I'm not trying. I watch Choey "quit", as well as "diet" regularly, then go back. I stopped doing that ages ago. One has to want to quit to be successful, no "tricks" will work otherwise. I switched because I hate all the additives they put in cigarettes, for no other real reason. I DO smoke LESS of them, mostly because they go out on their own so fast, sometimes even while I'm smoking them. I dunno about the money factor, I've often wondered but would have to do calculations on the cost of the tobacco, filters and papers over a period of time, and since I buy the tobacco in cans, the filters in packs of 200 and the papers come in "packs" of 35 each. Too much trouble, tho' I DO think I'm spending less to a degree...just a feeling.

Side note; I used to be the one who rolled joints for the group, I was good at it so it was just understood I would. What I roll now I do on a Zig-Zag roller with king-size Zig Zag papers, which makes me giggle. Back "then", I rolled cigs on Zig Zag CHOCOLATE papers, and used to roll joints of different kinds for Xmas gifts at the communal houses. Like Michuican Green in mint papers, Panama Red in strawberry, etc. To now be smoking cigs, this late in life, with Zig Zag amuses me. I smoke dope in a tiny pipe, so that I can close the cover after one toke because I only smoke a few tokes in a night. I haven't had or shared a full JOINT in decades, except when I go up to Paula's and share one with her, and even then stop after a couple of tokes. I smoke only a tiny bit of dope compared to most people.

Riona, absolutely. Studies have shown that those of us with mental illness are the highest group of cigarette smokers of all, and there again, self-medication. That's part of why I smoke marijuana, and I'm sure cigarettes too. For me the correlation with marijuana is that I use it as an evening cocktail, to relax and get ready for bed. But yes, many mentally ill self-medicate to a very negative degree, and many make their mental

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME