Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify have finally banned blocked censored Infowars' Alex Jones ?
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Alex Jones online media gone?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podca
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These days you would have to be living under a rock to not know who this Alex Jones 'infowars' character is.... for those of you who don't do interwebs and watch a lot of tv, he begins in Texas in the 90s a kind of doomsday gun nut talking of end of the world stuff and global conspiracy, he might be the ranting doomsday preacher you see on mainstream tv once in a while...if Alex Jones appeared on normal tv he is a kind of conspiracy person who would make normies say 'Who the F-ck Was That'?
I was mostly introduced to infowars by a crazy firefly fan here called PirateNews. This PirateNews dude still posts here sometimes, very much a conspiracy 911 'truther' guy who tried running his own station in TN, you would come across Pirate News posts questioning main stream news, he talked about his experience in life, his time in England and talked of cars, he would say CNN, Fox, BBC and all these reports were fake...I think John at PirateNews also posted around the webs as PirateNews on old school conspiracy forums and bulletin boards like prisonplanet and the david icke forums.
I often called out Pirate News, I called him crazy, a conspiracy nut, insane etc However what PirateNews did was in a ways kind of 'free' or 'brave' or crazy 'patriotic' or just plain conspiracy crazy like some end of the world preacher apocalypse dude you forgot to take his meds? i'm not sure what to describe it and the conspiracy webbs. This was at a time when George Bush Jnr, George W. Bush 43rd President of the United States went aroun saying You are Either With Us or With the Terrorists, he passed the Patriot Act and lied saying Saddam had WMDs and was responsible for 911. Very few of us took PirateNews serious he was this crazy ranting rambling guy.
Looking back on things I realize PirateNews did not always get it wrong, sometimes some of his 'conspiracy' came out true and even if only say 10% or 15% was true, then it was a scary thing. Could world governments be that criminal incompetant and corrupt?
Guys like Pirate News I feel were getting their info and conspiracy from the more free, anarchy, blogs of conspiracies and Alex Jones Info Wars parts of the interwebs
Pirate News is mostly gone...last I heard from him when he was coherant he was in some kind of paranoia and panic with the Law maybe? His media seems to be mostly shut down....nobody here really spoke for PirateNews when he was in trouble he was just some bothersome annoying loud preacher to many of us
Now 'they' who ever they is, they these elites seem to actually exist.... have gone for the Big Guys batshit crazy radio shock-jock Alex Jones himself
infowars, Alex Jones was probably the number 1 guy in the alternative Anti-media guys, a big powerful alt-media and conspiracy pusher, talked about wars, and poison in the water and air and food, fake wars and elite bloodlines and banks, you name it he talked of it with his shows drawing millions of views daily
Most of the time Alex never really found "proof" but in a free society like America he did start digging and he woudl find stuff that would make you question the official mainstream media narrative
Alex Jones he ranted against the media and elites for years said their were weird molestations and rape in hollywood and went as far as to say Devil worshiping pedophiles basically run 'the New World Order'.
Alex Jones would also say MLK, John Lenon, Princess Diana, JFK were all murdered to cover up what they knew about the New World Order, or because they were going to stop the weird secret society of globalist internatinalist elites
He recently went kind of hippie with his foods saying to take natural meds and avoid all the Fluoride in water, toxic medical stuff etc
If mainstream media f-cked up and he basically became an alternate reality twilight zone outer limits version of the news
Or is it possible the Leftwingers and Neo-Liberal tech companies have censored all alt media, conspiracy and conservative voices
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Our Pro Censorship Dem-Bots here should watch this.
It features Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore who are both liberals. Jimmy Dore actually spit on Alex Jones several years ago on camera too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Alex Jones isn't the only one who's been banned or shadow-banned. There seems to be a big uptick in censorship activity by FB, Twitter, YouTube etc prior to the November elections. People who may become unavailable are those like Dave of X22, London Paul, SGT report, Gerald Celente, Harley Schlanger, Jim Willie (Goldenjackass), Tom Luongo, The Saker, etc.
Some of these people are really smart; they all provide a unique perspective and quite often I hear things that put some puzzle pieces together. (And then on occasion they'll take a big flying leap into chemtrails or something.)
For example, I was just listening to Tom Luongo and his take on what's happening with Turkey. I thought this was particularly trenchant.
The best family-life example I can think of is a bad divorce: Both partners (USA and Turkey) want out of the marriage (NATO/dollar). The more powerful of the partners may have even tried to kill the other ... details are murky. They are BOTH looking to escalate into crisis whatever differences they may have. But coming to that point of actual dissolution is difficult, as each seeks greatest advantage out of the divorce, to divide up friends, and to pin the blame on the other. So altho a breakup is certain, it may be delayed.
Some of the more conspiracy-minded bloggers like Dave X22 believe that this clamp-down of alternate media precedes a major "false flag" engineered by the deep state prior to the elections, and that the deep state simply doesn't want any alternate information pathways to exist.
I personally think that the commercial internet enterprises like Google/YouTube, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter. Microsoft etc have their own globalist interests at heart and that they're enmeshed with our deep state ... nothing specific going one, but just pre-election/ Mueller investigation news-management, so that nothing like the Hillary debacle happens again.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-14/cooperate-or-die-private-mee
Cooperate Or Die: In Private Meeting, Top Facebook Exec Threatened News Outlets
During a closed-door and off-the-record meeting last week, top Facebook executive Campbell Brown reportedly warned news publishers that refusal to cooperate with the tech behemoth's efforts to "revitalize journalism" will leave media outlets dying "like in a hospice."
Reported first by The Australian under a headline which read "Work With Facebook or Die: Zuckerberg," the social media giant has insisted the comments were taken out of context, even as five individuals who attended the four-hour meeting corroborated what Brown had stated.
"Mark doesn't care about publishers but is giving me a lot of leeway and concessions to make these changes," Brown reportedly said, referring to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg. "We will help you revitalize journalism... in a few years the reverse looks like I'll be holding hands with your dying business like in a hospice."
As The Guardian reported on Monday, Facebook is "vehemently" denying the veracity of the comments as reported by The Australian, referring to its own transcript of the meeting. However, Facebook is refusing to release its transcript and tape of the gathering.
Brown's warning about the dire prospects for news outlets that don't get on board with a future in which corporate giants like Facebook are the arbiters of what is and isn't trustworthy news comes as progressives are raising alarm that Facebook's entrance into the world of journalism poses a major threat to non-corporate and left-wing news outlets.
As Common Dreams reported in July, progressives' fears were partly confirmed after Facebook unveiled its first slate of news "segments" as part of its Facebook Watch initiative.
While Facebook claims its initiative is part of an effort to combat "misinformation," its first series of segments were dominated by such corporate outlets as Fox News and CNN.
Reacting to Brown's reported assertion that Zuckerberg "doesn't care about publishers," Judd Legum, who writes the Popular Information newsletter, argued, "Anyone who does care about news needs to understand Facebook as a fundamental threat."
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The internet behemoths also threaten progressive and left-wing sources as well. Something that liberals might want to take into account.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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you know what is amazing, if youtube, facebook whatever censor, block, ban ....you will still find clips where people talk about Jones and infowars, conspiracy, whatever
there will still be an internet
Bill Maher shuts down cheers for Alex Jones ban: 'Everybody gets to speak'
https://www.real.video/5826012087001
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=ryD-TdkRnGc
https://peertube.video/videos/watch/388e9d00-8b67-4721-92ce-512c767026
db
https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/879189660931325952
InFoWaRs
Isaac Kappy
https://www.pscp.tv
daily motion news
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28md2y
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WzDRQ9nm-vY/
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=YjV5_1533791979
that said I think infowars always was paranoid pirate news level bullshit
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Paul Joseph Watson banned, will the truther type be outcast will they be left to roaming 4Chan, Liveleak, Gab or the Darkweb?
https://invidio.us/watch?v=aMqlfwV4BA8
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=aMqlfwV4BA8 Facebook bans an Alex Jones channel, Milo Yiannopoulos and other far-right figures - anti-Muslim figurehead Laura Loomer and Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam group, Paul Joseph Watson now BANNED BY FACEBOOK & INSTAGRAM
With Decrease of Internet Privacy and Censorship, Decentralization May Be The Cure
https://beincrypto.com/the-internet-is-sick-and-blockchain-may-be-the-
cure/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=blockchain&utm_content=sne
Clown world goes mainstream?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3730320/posts
"Girls" Track Final Sprinter Champs: 3 out of 4 are TRANNIES ?
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"never let a good crisis go to waste"
The whole "Russian hacking" story, which will turn out to be a complete psyops, terror attacks, etc are all being used to strangle free speech on the excuse that we need to be "protected" from "propaganda".
Despite the fact that many of these event will turn out as having been fabricated or paid for by our "seccurity state", the strangling of free speech will not be reversed unless the FCC requires it.
This is one of those trends moving in the background that needs serious activism, not "Trump colluded* with Russia".
But liberaloids don't care about free speech, only that they get to control it. They will scream "fascist" all day long, all the while promoting fascism. (And yes, I mean the corporate/authoritarian-government-meld kind of fascism.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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So, is there anywhere a list of who has been deplatformed/ banned/ shadowbanned?
I know that Alex Jones has. I would listen to him now and again, and he'd go off the rails with his "lizard people" rant, but OTOH he sometimes reported true events or trends that nobody else would. In my view, he was a person to (mostly) ignore, but he didn't break any of rules about hate speech or libel, so ...?
Paul Joseph Watson. I used to listen to him more frequently than Alex Jones; having heard something like a dozen of his opinions I think I have a pretty good sampling of what he posted. He would skewer some of the liberaloid trends like sexualized art, or the banning of Yani, but aside from being ascerbic and funny, I see no reason whatsover to deplatform him.
James Woods, banned from Twitter. I think I've seen a tweet or two of his; I thought they were pretty tame stuff. Did he post hate speech or defame people or incite violence or threaten anyone?
Who else?
The news comes out in dribs and drabs ... creeping censorship by the tech giants. What is the full scope?
And then, if they're banning on content (and not because people are violating laws like making threats and incitement to violence or defamation) doesn't that make these platforms "publishers", with all of the responsibility that that implies?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Alex Jones has now been silenced from the interwebs
Simply not true. His infowars web site still ranks pretty high for traffic volume in the US. He is free to say whatever he wants there, just not on someone else’s dime.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, is there anywhere a list of who has been deplatformed/ banned/ shadowbanned?
I know that Alex Jones has. I would listen to him now and again, and he'd go off the rails with his "lizard people" rant, but OTOH he sometimes reported true events or trends that nobody else would. In my view, he was a person to (mostly) ignore, but he didn't break any of rules about hate speech or libel, so ...?
Paul Joseph Watson. I used to listen to him more frequently than Alex Jones; having heard something like a dozen of his opinions I think I have a pretty good sampling of what he posted. He would skewer some of the liberaloid trends like sexualized art, or the banning of Yani, but aside from being ascerbic and funny, I see no reason whatsover to deplatform him.
James Woods, banned from Twitter. I think I've seen a tweet or two of his; I thought they were pretty tame stuff. Did he post hate speech or defame people or incite violence or threaten anyone?
Who else?
The news comes out in dribs and drabs ... creeping censorship by the tech giants. What is the full scope?
And then, if they're banning on content (and not because people are violating laws like making threats and incitement to violence or defamation) doesn't that make these platforms "publishers", with all of the responsibility that that implies?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Your sentence structure in this post reminds me of Jaynestown’s ... interesting.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Our Pro Censorship Dem-Bots here should watch this.
I’m a pro business rights advocate. Consumers have responsibilities too, they aren’t Free to behave anyway they want to, nor should they be. If you owned a restaurant and someone came in and started yelling at your customers, would you throw up your arms and say, “O-well! Free Speech!” ???? Duh.
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Quote:Another tinfoil hat moment from GSTRING? Interesting.
So, is there anywhere a list of who has been deplatformed/ banned/ shadowbanned?
I know that Alex Jones has. I would listen to him now and again, and he'd go off the rails with his "lizard people" rant, but OTOH he sometimes reported true events or trends that nobody else would. In my view, he was a person to (mostly) ignore, but he didn't break any of rules about hate speech or libel, so ...?
Paul Joseph Watson. I used to listen to him more frequently than Alex Jones; having heard something like a dozen of his opinions I think I have a pretty good sampling of what he posted. He would skewer some of the liberaloid trends like sexualized art, or the banning of Yani, but aside from being ascerbic and funny, I see no reason whatsover to deplatform him.
James Woods, banned from Twitter. I think I've seen a tweet or two of his; I thought they were pretty tame stuff. Did he post hate speech or defame people or incite violence or threaten anyone?
Who else?
The news comes out in dribs and drabs ... creeping censorship by the tech giants. What is the full scope?
And then, if they're banning on content (and not because people are violating laws like making threats and incitement to violence or defamation) doesn't that make these platforms "publishers", with all of the responsibility that that implies. -SIGNY
Your sentence structure in this post reminds me of Jaynestown’s ... interesting.- GSTRING
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Yep. I always knew you were a fascist. Thanks for admitting it.
I’m a pro business rights advocate. GSTRING
Quote:Bad analogy. Customers come into a restaurant to eat, not to listen to random people spout off. People use social media to communicate, that IS the purpose, is it not? So when people are banned because they use social media for its intended purpose ....
Consumers have responsibilities too, they aren’t Free to behave anyway they want to, nor should they be. If you owned a restaurant and someone came in and started yelling at your customers, would you throw up your arms and say, “O-well! Free Speech!” ???? Duh. GSTRING
But there's a different issue at play besides free speech or even EULAs: Platforms are exempted from all kinds of liability (defamation, fraud, hate speech, incitement to violence etc) because THEY claim that they don't control the content, so the responsibility goes to the person who posts. It's a specific LEGAL exemption that applies to social media: Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The exemption was granted to social media JUST BECAUSE they claim not to control content.
With the people who have been banned, deplatformed, demonetized, or shadow-banned, there isn't even the remote possibility that they're "Russian" and that they might represent even a whisper of Russian influence; these people have been banned BECAUSE of their content.
So now it looks to me like the platforms have crossed the line into "publishers" and no longer deserve the exemption that they like to claim.
I hope somebody files a nice big fat juicy lawsuit against them. Not on "freedom of speech" grounds but on that Section 230 exemption.
That, after all, is the American Way.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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I'll be alright with letting entities like Facebook and Twitter censor stuff when they don't allow politicians to platform, and Silicon Valley multi-national businesses aren't being given tax breaks that amount to them paying as much as the Catholic church pays in taxes every year.
These social media corporations are essentially an arm of the government that is just far enough removed and the details obfuscated that they can get around any legality surrounding censorship by claiming "muh big business".
It's all bullshit. And mark my words if it were people on the left that were being de-platformed every other day you'd be crying about it right now too. That day will come. I'll remember to check up on your thoughts about it when it does.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Bad analogy. Customers come into a restaurant to eat, not to listen to random people spout off. People use social media to communicate, that IS the purpose, is it not? So when people are banned because they use social media for its intended purpose ....
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yep. I always knew you were a fascist. Thanks for admitting it.
I’m a pro business rights advocate. GSTRINGQuote:
Consumers have responsibilities too, they aren’t Free to behave anyway they want to, nor should they be. If you owned a restaurant and someone came in and started yelling at your customers, would you throw up your arms and say, “O-well! Free Speech!” ???? Duh. GSTRING
But there's a different issue at play besides free speech or even EULAs: Platforms are exempted from all kinds of liability (defamation, fraud, hate speech, incitement to violence etc) because THEY claim that they don't control the content, so the responsibility goes to the person who posts. It's a specific LEGAL exemption that applies to social media: Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The exemption was granted to social media JUST BECAUSE they claim not to control content.
With the people who have been banned, deplatformed, demonetized, or shadow-banned, there isn't even the remote possibility that they're "Russian" and that they might represent even a whisper of Russian influence; these people have been banned BECAUSE of their content.
So now it looks to me like the platforms have crossed the line into "publishers" and no longer deserve the exemption that they like to claim.
I hope somebody files a nice big fat juicy lawsuit against them. Not on "freedom of speech" grounds but on that Section 230 exemption.
That, after all, is the American Way.
Supporting small businesses is fascist? The stupid sh@t you post. What country were you raised in? Do you use any products or services provided by any businesses? So, according to you, you support fascism. Yeah, the stupid sh@t you post!
And, no, it's not a perfect analogy, but neither is yours. More to the point, we shouldn’t f@cking need one - the concept should be bloody obvious. If you knew anyone that ran their own business - even a soup cart - you’d know customers can be entitled @ssholes who think they should be able to do whatever the hell they want regardless of owner’s rights or other users’ rights. You’re the perfect example of a consumer who is consumed with their own desires and screw everyone else.
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We're not talking about small businesses. We're talking about multi-national corporations in Silicon Valley that have a monopoly on public discourse via the internet.
For instance, the US Government chooses Twitter and ONLY Twitter to send its emergency alerts to users with smart phones. You need to have an active account to get these.
https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/how-to-use-twitter-a
lerts
If the same service were provided with any competitors like Gab, this would be a different story. But if you are de-platformed from Twitter, you can no longer get any emergency broadcasts on your phone, let alone have a voice online.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Infowars has been banned from Twitter, but it seems to have found a new home over on Trump's Twitter feed.
The president evidently believes Infowars is useful to him. Maggie Haberman of The New York Times said the tweets over the weekend were "reminiscent of candidate Trump in 2015, for whom folks who listen to Alex Jones were a solid group of supporters to his primary candidacy."
Trump is simultaneously trying to tear down credible sources for news, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN. He was questioning why these news organizations have the ability to be on Twitter -- while saying that Infowars should be reinstated. It's nuts.
www.cnn.com/2019/05/06/media/infowars-trump/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're not talking about small businesses. We're talking about multi-national corporations in Silicon Valley that have a monopoly on public discourse via the internet.
CC - They control the content on their service, but not the Internet, as it should be. If you think Twitter is the Internet then you’re an idiot. And if using Twitter is so important perhaps dumbsh@t should have used it according to their guidelines? It’s pretty hard to get thrown off unless you’re a moron or a professional agitator or both. Not to mention, people quit Twitter and Facebook etc all the time and manage to live normal lives. You’re bitching about nothing again.
6 - For instance, the US Government chooses Twitter and ONLY Twitter to send its emergency alerts to users with smart phones. You need to have an active account to get alerts.
CC - 
omg! No gov alerts! Everyone must use Twitter! I’ve never seen one in years. What do people without Twitter do??? Move to another country? That’s so lame.
6 - If the same service were provided with any competitors like Gab, this would be a different story. But if you are de-platformed from Twitter, you can no longer get any emergency broadcasts on your phone, let alone have a voice online.
CC so what do you and Rue and Sig4brains and jsf do for alerts? I bet none of you are on Twitter, even though according to you it’s so vital. More whining about nothing.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're not talking about small businesses. We're talking about multi-national corporations in Silicon Valley that have a monopoly on public discourse via the internet.
CC - They control the content on their service, but not the Internet, as it should be. If you think Twitter is the Internet then you’re an idiot. And if using Twitter is so important perhaps dumbsh@t should have used it according to their guidelines? It’s pretty hard to get thrown off unless you’re a moron or a professional agitator or both. Not to mention, people quit Twitter and Facebook etc all the time and manage to live normal lives. You’re bitching about nothing again.
6 - For instance, the US Government chooses Twitter and ONLY Twitter to send its emergency alerts to users with smart phones. You need to have an active account to get alerts.
CC -
6 - If the same service were provided with any competitors like Gab, this would be a different story. But if you are de-platformed from Twitter, you can no longer get any emergency broadcasts on your phone, let alone have a voice online.
CC so what do you and Rue and Sig4brains and jsf do for alerts? I bet none of you are on Twitter, even though according to you it’s so vital. More whining about nothing.
It's not whining about nothing.
You have no concept of what the future holds. If somebody told you that everybody would be walking around with computers in their pockets that were 1,000 times more powerful your desktop PC was, and told you how this was going to change the world, you would have laughed.
Venues today are starting to make you download apps to your phone that take great liberties with your personal information in order to get a "secure" ticket that can't be duplicated. There are events today that you can't even get into without a smart phone, such as the upcoming Blizzcon.
As these machines are being forced upon people over the coming years by excluding people from being able to do things without them, we might find ourselves unable to buy food without one some day.
But all of this is beside the point...
Twitter and Facebook are the Government. They don't pay taxes and they are the social platform for politicians. They have no right to de-platform anybody, and it is unconstitutional censorship when they do.
The only reason you don't have a problem with it is because they don't censor people you like to watch now.
They're not censoring people for threats or advocating violence. They're censoring people because of their political beliefs.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're not talking about small businesses. We're talking about multi-national corporations in Silicon Valley that have a monopoly on public discourse via the internet.
CC - They control the content on their service, but not the Internet, as it should be. If you think Twitter is the Internet then you’re an idiot. And if using Twitter is so important perhaps dumbsh@t should have used it according to their guidelines? It’s pretty hard to get thrown off unless you’re a moron or a professional agitator or both. Not to mention, people quit Twitter and Facebook etc all the time and manage to live normal lives. You’re bitching about nothing again.
6 - For instance, the US Government chooses Twitter and ONLY Twitter to send its emergency alerts to users with smart phones. You need to have an active account to get alerts.
CC -
6 - If the same service were provided with any competitors like Gab, this would be a different story. But if you are de-platformed from Twitter, you can no longer get any emergency broadcasts on your phone, let alone have a voice online.
CC so what do you and Rue and Sig4brains and jsf do for alerts? I bet none of you are on Twitter, even though according to you it’s so vital. More whining about nothing.
It's not whining about nothing.
You have no concept of what the future holds. If somebody told you that everybody would be walking around with computers in their pockets that were 1,000 times more powerful your desktop PC was, and told you how this was going to change the world, you would have laughed.
Venues today are starting to make you download apps to your phone that take great liberties with your personal information in order to get a "secure" ticket that can't be duplicated. There are events today that you can't even get into without a smart phone, such as the upcoming Blizzcon.
As these machines are being forced upon people over the coming years by excluding people from being able to do things without them, we might find ourselves unable to buy food without one some day.
But all of this is beside the point...
Twitter and Facebook are the Government. They don't pay taxes and they are the social platform for politicians. They have no right to de-platform anybody, and it is unconstitutional censorship when they do.
The only reason you don't have a problem with it is because they don't censor people you like to watch now.
They're not censoring people for threats or advocating violence. They're censoring people because of their political beliefs.
Congratulations. You've become part of the authoritarian shill army of the fascists you hate so much.
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The only reason you don't have a problem with it is because they don't censor people you like to watch now.
The people I like don’t lie through their assholes, or try to use social media to promote lies. Infowars dude is an obvious liar and agitator, not much different than Dump. He still uses Twitter to lie everyday btw, shows how hard it is to get shadow banned.
Find all the banned Twitter accounts you have problems with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions
How many are political?
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"Dystopian Approach": SEC Blesses MasterCard's Idea Of Cutting Off Customers With Right-Wing Views
Blocking payments to individuals or groups by financial service firms impedes freedom of speech in a free society, journalist Ben Swann has told RT, following reports that MasterCard is allegedly on course to censor the far-right.
The New York-based firm is reportedly being forced by left-leaning liberal activists to set up an internal “human rights committee” that would monitor payments to “white supremacist groups and anti-Islam activists.”
“The problem is that everyone has their own views and, in a free society, the idea of a free society is that you are free to have your belief systems, as long as you’re not harming anyone else physically,” Swann told RT America.
“But your belief system belongs to you and you have the right be wrong. White supremacists have the right to be wrong.”
MasterCard is not the only holder of purse-strings that is mulling the selective banning of individuals from their services and funds. Patreon and PayPal have previously barred individuals from receiving payments using their platforms, due to their extreme views.
But unlike crowdfunding platforms, being cut off from one of the leading American multinational financial services corporations will, most likely, have a much greater impact on the financial stability of an individual or a group, especially after the US Securities and Exchange Commission reportedly blessed MasterCard’s undertaking.
By doing this, Swann believes the government granted “big corporations the ability to control what voices are heard.”
The issue with such an approach, the investigative journalist argues, would lead to a wider crackdown on financial payments to anyone who the government would see as unfavorable.
“The fact that the SEC has given a green light to this essentially says the SEC supports the idea of censoring these groups in order to freeze out essentially anyone you don’t agree with,” the journalist said.
“It is such a dystopian 1984 world view and yet we’re living through it right now,” the journalist observed.
Watch the entire interview below:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-07/dystopian-approach-sec-bless
es-mastercards-idea-cutting-customers-right-wing-views
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Quote:Says the inveterate liar.
The only reason you don't have a problem with it is because they don't censor people you like to watch now.- SIX
The people I like don’t lie through their assholes, or try to use social media to promote lies. -GSTRING
Quote:Maddow is a liar. Most of the M$M are liars. Maybe THEY should be banned. Fortunately FOR YOU, lying is a free speech right, unless you're defaming someone or defrauding the public.
Infowars dude is an obvious liar and agitator, not much different than Dump. He still uses Twitter to lie everyday btw, shows how hard it is to get shadow banned.
Find all the banned Twitter accounts you have problems with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions
How many are political?
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I'd imagine that if Trump were truly the fascist tyrant dictator that he's been accused of being thousands of times here now, and he were to put on blast the fact that Facebook and Twitter are arms of the government and subsequently shut down any dissenting opinions then we'd finally get people to realize that censorship IN ANY FORM is wrong.
In the meantime, I find it hilarious that the left in 2019 is defending the rights of mega-billions multi-national firms.
Man... you guys are so easy to manipulate.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Says the inveterate liar.
The only reason you don't have a problem with it is because they don't censor people you like to watch now.- SIX
The people I like don’t lie through their assholes, or try to use social media to promote lies. -GSTRINGQuote:Maddow is a liar. Most of the M$M are liars. Maybe THEY should be banned. Fortunately FOR YOU, lying is a free speech right, unless you're defaming someone or... .
Infowars dude is an obvious liar and agitator, not much different than Dump. He still uses Twitter to lie everyday btw, shows how hard it is to get shadow banned.
Find all the banned Twitter accounts you have problems with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions
How many are political?
Liar calls other people liars - right out of the Dump playbook. Good little worker troll!
Desperate much?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd imagine that if Trump were truly the fascist tyrant dictator that he's been accused of being thousands of times here now, and he were to put on blast the fact that Facebook and Twitter are arms of the government and subsequently shut down any dissenting opinions then we'd finally get people to realize that censorship IN ANY FORM is wrong.
In the meantime, I find it hilarious that the left in 2019 is defending the rights of mega-billions multi-national firms.
Man... you guys are so easy to manipulate.
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You post so much stupid shit it’s amazing. How do you manage to pay bills every month?
So, did you look at the list of people kicked off Twitter? Where are the political acts banned like you were sure happened? Nice try, stooge. You don’t have the simple guts to be honest. Trump and sig4brains keep giving people like you (weak) the excuse to make shit up.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd imagine that if Trump were truly the fascist tyrant dictator that he's been accused of being thousands of times here now, and he were to put on blast the fact that Facebook and Twitter are arms of the government and subsequently shut down any dissenting opinions then we'd finally get people to realize that censorship IN ANY FORM is wrong.
In the meantime, I find it hilarious that the left in 2019 is defending the rights of mega-billions multi-national firms.
Man... you guys are so easy to manipulate.
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You post so much stupid shit it’s amazing. How do you manage to pay bills every month?
So, did you look at the list of people kicked off Twitter? Where are the political acts banned like you were sure happened? Nice try, stooge. You don’t have the simple guts to be honest. Trump and sig4brains keep giving people like you (weak) the excuse to make shit up.
Your arguments always consist of insulting people and saying, you're wrong. neener neener.
Consider it a charity that I even bother replying to you anymore.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd imagine that if Trump were truly the fascist tyrant dictator that he's been accused of being thousands of times here now, and he were to put on blast the fact that Facebook and Twitter are arms of the government and subsequently shut down any dissenting opinions then we'd finally get people to realize that censorship IN ANY FORM is wrong.
In the meantime, I find it hilarious that the left in 2019 is defending the rights of mega-billions multi-national firms.
Man... you guys are so easy to manipulate.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
You post so much stupid shit it’s amazing. How do you manage to pay bills every month?
So, did you look at the list of people kicked off Twitter? Where are the political acts banned like you were sure happened? Nice try, stooge. You don’t have the simple guts to be honest. Trump and sig4brains keep giving people like you (weak) the excuse to make shit up.
Your arguments always consist of insulting people and saying, you're wrong. neener neener.
Consider it a charity that I even bother replying to you anymore.
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That’s because you are consistently wrong. You constantly avoid answering basic questions. You’re a bad faith a-hole as far as I can tell.
Example: Did you check out the list of people kicked off Twitter? No? Why not? Afraid it would prove you are wrong and full of over reach again? Sig was looking for the same thing - was she just insinuating a problem that doesn’t exist rather than actually wanting to know, because sowing discord is her stock and trade? (Trick question).
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So GSTRING, have you stopped beating your boyfriend?
(Trick question.)
Quote:Well, you call me a liar all the time. Seems you've stuck yourself with logical glue.
Liar calls other people liars- GSTRING
I don't lie. You OTOH often (untruthfully) SAY that I lie, but you've never been able to demonstrate one. You yourself have been caught in lies quite often - usually by misrepresenting what I and others have posted. MOST of the time you refuse to answer basic questions, but attack and defame instead.
So why don't you stop behaving like how you accuse others of behaving? Stop lying, stop being a jackass, stop defaming people, engage in meaningful conversation for a change. Or is that too much to ask?
BTW, I checked into that list of Twitter suspensions etc. Most of those suspended are on the conservative to far right end of the spectrum, which is what I was wondering about. Thanks for the info.
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lol
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lol
So you didn’t read the link - not too surprised. You might have learned something - can’t have that!
So have you signed up for Twitter to get your gov alerts yet? Aren’t you concerned you’ll miss some? If you genuinely concerned about gov alerts I think you’d be all over Twitter by now.
What about when they were on tv - omg what did people without TVs do?!?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So GSTRING, have you stopped beating your boyfriend?
(Trick question.)Quote:Well, you call me a liar all the time. Seems you've stuck yourself with logical glue.
Liar calls other people liars- GSTRING
I don't lie. You OTOH often (untruthfully) SAY that I lie, but you've never been able to demonstrate one. You yourself have been caught in lies quite often - usually by misrepresenting what I and others have posted. MOST of the time you refuse to answer basic questions, but attack and defame instead.
So why don't you stop behaving like how you accuse others of behaving? Stop lying, stop being a jackass, stop defaming people, engage in meaningful conversation for a change. Or is that too much to ask?
BTW, I checked into that list of Twitter suspensions etc. Most of those suspended are on the conservative to far right end of the spectrum, which is what I was wondering about. Thanks for the info.
“Thanks for the info.” You could have googled it easily. Curious.
Yes, most annoying, freak show contestants are on the right - glad you noticed.
So, Sig, why don't you stop behaving like how you accuse others of behaving? Stop lying, stop being a jackass, stop defaming people, engage in meaningful conversation for a change. Or is that too much to ask?
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Being a "freak show"
a) is in the eye of the beholder and
b) is a first amendment right and
c) does not, per se, violate platform rules
There are plenty of freak show people on the (so called) left. Rachel Maddow is a prime tin foil hat conspiracist and purveyor of fake news. Had she been banned? Look at REAVERBOT, he advocates violence against white conservatives and can no longer post anything except "Nazi", "troll", and "Russia". You yourself have no problems lying repeatedly about other people here.
As long as platforms control content, then they are acting as PUBLISHERS and should have their liability exemption stripped
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I'm just going to let time prove me right on this one.
Enjoy your censorship while it's seemingly going your way, bud.
BTW... anybody hear about the 100 people laid off at CNN?
Can't remember if I put that in the predictions thread or not, but I've said it more than once here that it was coming.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm just going to let time prove me right on this one.
Why wait? Have you got a Twitter account so you can get all those Gov alerts you’re so worried about?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Being a "freak show"
a) is in the eye of the beholder and
b) is a first amendment right and
c) does not, per se, violate platform rules
There are plenty of freak show people on the (so called) left. Rachel Maddow is a prime tin foil hat conspiracist and purveyor of fake news. Had she been banned? Look at REAVERBOT, he advocates violence against white conservatives and can no longer post anything except "Nazi", "troll", and "Russia". You yourself have no problems lying repeatedly about other people here.
As long as platforms control content, then they are acting as PUBLISHERS and should have their liability exemption stripped
Sighole’s: Lie, Deny, Agitate and Falsify machine just keeps rolling.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm just going to let time prove me right on this one.
Why wait? Have you got a Twitter account so you can get all those Gov alerts you’re so worried about?
I'm not worried about them. That's beside the point.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2019/04/28/as-the-government
-and-emergency-agencies-shift-to-twitter-what-happens-to-those-left-behind/#4fbb1a0978aa
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Twitter has truly become the realtime emergency alert platform of government.
Anyone can access these alerts even without being a Twitter user, but only those with active Twitter user accounts can actually respond to these emergency messages to request additional information or report emergencies in the event of 911 unavailability.
Yet, Twitter as a private company has the exclusive right to determine who it grants membership to. It can deny, suspend or revoke membership of any user for any reason at any time without appeal.
This was once the case with cellular phones as well, but their increasing use in emergency situations led to legislation forcing cellular companies to grant access to everyone for emergency use.
I don't imagine that it will be very long before civil suits are successful re-instating all of those who have wrongfully been de-platformed based off of this single issue alone.
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Quote:What GSTRING does when he doesn't have truth in his corner
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Being a "freak show"
a) is in the eye of the beholder and
b) is a first amendment right and
c) does not, per se, violate platform rules
There are plenty of freak show people on the (so called) left. Rachel Maddow is a prime tin foil hat conspiracist and purveyor of fake news. Had she been banned? Look at REAVERBOT, he advocates violence against white conservatives and can no longer post anything except "Nazi", "troll", and "Russia". You yourself have no problems lying repeatedly about other people here.
As long as platforms control content, then they are acting as PUBLISHERS and should have their liability exemption stripped
Sighole’s: Lie, Deny, Agitate and Falsify machine just keeps rolling.
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That's beside the point.
That was Your point. Glad you see it now as nonsense. In all seriousness - I checked out the rain thread. Best of luck sorting out your house and family and job issues. Really. This stuff we disagree about is mostly noise compared to those things.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's beside the point.
That wasn't my point at all. I'm not shy about letting everybody in the RWED and the actual real world know that I have no desire to ever own a cell phone again, let alone a smart one. Hell... I don't even have cable TV or a television that is capable of getting the over the air HD stations either. I'm kicking it 1930's style here. If I hear the local air-raid siren and I care enough to do so, all I can do is turn on the alarm clock radio I have and set it to the emergency broadcast system.
I'm also not shy about letting people know I have no interest in facebook or twitter or instagram or any other social media platforms. I'll never own a device that invites Siri or OK Google into my home. I'd think at this point that would be abundantly clear from my posting history. I'd also think that it would be clear that I'm most comfortable being a loner and a long life of being on my own to figure things out has also made dealing with crisis on my own the way I prefer to do it.
I argue politics here with a reasonable level of anonymity. The government knows exactly who I am and where I live for sure. Or at least they could in 5 seconds if they ever felt the need to know. None of you guys do though. And I'm not posting my own asshole opinions on social media with my name where I've seen friends and family destroy their relationships.
This is not about me at all. I don't think I could be any more clear about that.
Quote:
In all seriousness - I checked out the rain thread. Best of luck sorting out your house and family and job issues. Really. This stuff we disagree about is mostly noise compared to those things.
Yeah. Thanks man. I actually started off the post to you different here, but it's nice having some rare instances where we can actually display a little humanity toward each other. Color me touched.
Short of a few days here and there where I kind of hit near-panic mode, I'd say I'm taking a lot better than I expected I would. For the first time in maybe 15 years, I have absolutely no clue what my future holds, yet it's not the end of the world.
I'll figure something out. I always do. At least when I'm sober... and I haven't even been tempted by the idea of drowning my sorrows this time around. Only took me 40 years to finally become an adult, I suppose. Better late than never.
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By the co-founder of Facebook
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It’s Time to Break Up Facebook
The last time I saw Mark Zuckerberg was in the summer of 2017, several months before the Cambridge Analytica scandal broke. We met at Facebook’s Menlo Park, Calif., office and drove to his house, in a quiet, leafy neighborhood. We spent an hour or two together while his toddler daughter cruised around. We talked politics mostly, a little about Facebook, a bit about our families. When the shadows grew long, I had to head out. I hugged his wife, Priscilla, and said goodbye to Mark.
Since then, Mark’s personal reputation and the reputation of Facebook have taken a nose-dive. The company’s mistakes — the sloppy privacy practices that dropped tens of millions of users’ data into a political consulting firm’s lap; the slow response to Russian agents, violent rhetoric and fake news; and the unbounded drive to capture ever more of our time and attention — dominate the headlines. It’s been 15 years since I co-founded Facebook at Harvard, and I haven’t worked at the company in a decade. But I feel a sense of anger and responsibility.
Mark is still the same person I watched hug his parents as they left our dorm’s common room at the beginning of our sophomore year. He is the same person who procrastinated studying for tests, fell in love with his future wife while in line for the bathroom at a party and slept on a mattress on the floor in a small apartment years after he could have afforded much more. In other words, he’s human. But it’s his very humanity that makes his unchecked power so problematic.
Mark’s influence is staggering, far beyond that of anyone else in the private sector or in government. He controls three core communications platforms — Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp — that billions of people use every day. Facebook’s board works more like an advisory committee than an overseer, because Mark controls around 60 percent of voting shares. Mark alone can decide how to configure Facebook’s algorithms to determine what people see in their News Feeds, what privacy settings they can use and even which messages get delivered. He sets the rules for how to distinguish violent and incendiary speech from the merely offensive, and he can choose to shut down a competitor by acquiring, blocking or copying it.
Mark is a good, kind person. But I’m angry that his focus on growth led him to sacrifice security and civility for clicks. I’m disappointed in myself and the early Facebook team for not thinking more about how the News Feed algorithm could change our culture, influence elections and empower nationalist leaders. And I’m worried that Mark has surrounded himself with a team that reinforces his beliefs instead of challenging them.
The government must hold Mark accountable. For too long, lawmakers have marveled at Facebook’s explosive growth and overlooked their responsibility to ensure that Americans are protected and markets are competitive. Any day now, the Federal Trade Commission is expected to impose a $5 billion fine on the company, but that is not enough; nor is Facebook’s offer to appoint some kind of privacy czar. After Mark’s congressional testimony last year, there should have been calls for him to truly reckon with his mistakes. Instead the legislators who questioned him were derided as too old and out of touch to understand how tech works. That’s the impression Mark wanted Americans to have, because it means little will change.
We are a nation with a tradition of reining in monopolies, no matter how well intentioned the leaders of these companies may be. Mark’s power is unprecedented and un-American.
It is time to break up Facebook.
We already have the tools we need to check the domination of Facebook. We just seem to have forgotten about them.
America was built on the idea that power should not be concentrated in any one person, because we are all fallible. That’s why the founders created a system of checks and balances. They didn’t need to foresee the rise of Facebook to understand the threat that gargantuan compNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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This movement of public servants, scholars and activists deserves our support. Mark Zuckerberg cannot fix Facebook, but our government can.
That's the one thing that makes this situation so sticky...
In almost any case I'd abhor the idea of the Government stepping in and "fixing" things. On the surface though, unlike the thousands of things our bloated and much-larger-than-it-should-have-ever-become government does every day, this is EXACTLY the type of thing our government was designed to defend its people against.
I find it extremely disappointing that the human race has been proven to be so hive-minded and easily homogenized to where something like Facebook could have even ever gained as much power as it has.
It's hopeful that alternative platforms to Facebook and Youtube and other social media are on the rise, but they're a bucket of water in an ocean and most of the MSM is constantly labeling anybody who defects and uses them "alt-right" or some other "basket of deplorables" phrase.
It's not surprising the MSM would do this. For nearly a decade, the MSM has been smearing Youtube and its users because they've been loosing viewership steadily since this type of interactive social media has risen up. Even today as they've made a large presence on Youtube and the algorithms have been redesigned to constantly make their stories trending above the users that made Youtube what it is today, they only get a small fraction of the views that independent journalists get there. They're losing a lot of money. CNN laying off 100 people this week is just more evidence of this.
With Trump in office, I doubt we'll ever see any Article 11/13 style legislation made in America, but the next time we have a Democrat president and house/senate majority, I could see this happening.
I don't' know what the answer is. I think if the government does anything, it should be limited only to breaking up these monopolies, and not a damn thing more. I feel it already pulls to many strings when it comes to social media by being able to influence its behavior via all the tax breaks. I don't want to ever see social media of any type become an official arm of the government, but I already am very uneasy about how much and the type of influence it already exerts over it.
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Siggy’s Long copy-n-paste post.
Thanks for pointing out why using Facebook was such an important part of Russia’s attack on our democracy. And, for the same reasons, why the gov can NEVER have too much power over any platform. Trump already uses Twitter to lie and spew propaganda everyday. If he controlled other large media then say goodbye to democracy in our life time. That’s not hyperbole - already trying.
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Quote:Huh? This says exactly the oppsotie of what you intended. I think. I believe what you meant to say is ... And why the government can't have ANY power over any platform
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Siggy’s Long copy-n-paste post.
Thanks for pointing out why using Facebook was such an important part of Russia’s attack on our democracy. And, for the same reasons, why the gov can NEVER have too much power over any platform.
In any case, this person is not arguing for government control of platforms, but breaking them up and letting competition providing the feedback.
Say, aren't you for "Medicare for all"? How does that fit into your "business rights" scenario?
Quote:Maddow spouts lies every day. The NYT spouts lies every dy, as does CNN and WaPo. Just because they publish stuff that's against Trump doesn't mean any of it is true. But once you get rid of competition, then all you'll hear is one POV.
Trump already uses Twitter to lie and spew propaganda everyday. If he controlled other large media then say goodbye to democracy in our life time. That’s not hyperbole - already trying.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Siggy’s Long copy-n-paste post.
Thanks for pointing out why using Facebook was such an important part of Russia’s attack on our democracy. And, for the same reasons, why the gov can NEVER have too much power over any platform. Trump already uses Twitter to lie and spew propaganda everyday. If he controlled other large media then say goodbye to democracy in our life time. That’s not hyperbole - already trying.
Well... to be fair, the wikipedia article you sent me to read does cover why Trump has a platform even though there have been calls for him to be de-platformed.
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In September 2017, Twitter responded to calls[7] to suspend U.S. President Donald Trump's account, clarifying that they will not do so as his tweets are "newsworthy".[8]
Which, at the end of the day, sums up exactly the point I'm trying to make.
Wouldn't you rather have him tweeting his thoughts out there for everyone to read? Those who were always going to believe him will believe him. Those that wouldn't, won't. Those in the middle can read it and take it for what it's worth.
If he was de-platformed, you wouldn't have much of an idea of his thoughts on anything, would you?
I mean, take Mike Pence for instance. In May of 2019, it would almost be forgivable for somebody to forget who he even was. I bet if somebody did one of those "on the street" surveys you see on late night TV and asked the question "Who is Mike Pence?", there'd be a lot of people who would honestly have forgotten he's our current VP. The guy is a shadow. I can't recall hearing a peep out of him for over a year about anything. And if by some freak of nature an impeachment was made that actually resulted in Trump being ousted and Pence taking his place, he's an absolute unknown. You couldn't even begin to predict what he would do as President, other than maybe going over his brief stint as Governor of Indiana and what he did while he was there.
That goes for everybody, in my book. I think the freaking KKK should have a platform there, so long as they're not riling up hate mobs, activly engaging in serious threats or linking to their own sites where they do such stuff. I feel the same about the Black Isrealites, or even ISIS (or whatever the hell they're calling themselves these days).
De-platforming anybody just forces them to share their thoughts in secret. It pushes them into the dark corners of the internet and also serves to justify their reasoning and anger and behavior.
I want to see anything and everything these people from all sides have to say. So they can be ridiculed. So they can be mocked. So their ideas can be destroyed.
Freedom of Speech is a beautiful thing, CC. We are the ONLY country who has a constitutional right to it. If we start picking and choosing citizens who have that right, well... history shows that nothing good ever comes of that. Ever.
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That’d be true if it wasn’t wrong. These people haven’t had their “free speech” denied. Why aren’t you complaining that the NYTimes isn’t publishing their thoughts? Why aren’t you mad at Fux for not interviewing some lefties? People don’t have a Right to have their speech published everywhere they want it just because they have a thought.
How about spam? I bet spammers think of their email and robo calls as “speech” - should we protect that? “Free speech” - it’s more complicated than it used to be, and it’s definitely not always a beautiful thing. You want it to be easy - sorry, getting it right isn’t easy.
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Maddow spouts lies every day. The NYT spouts lies every dy, as does CNN and WaPo. Just because they publish stuff that's against Trump doesn't mean any of it is true. But once you get rid of competition, then all you'll hear is one POV.
Cites?
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
That’d be true if it wasn’t wrong. These people haven’t had their “free speech” denied. Why aren’t you complaining that the NYTimes isn’t publishing their thoughts? Why aren’t you mad at Fux for not interviewing some lefties? People don’t have a Right to have their speech published everywhere they want it just because they have a thought.
How about spam? I bet spammers think of their email and robo calls as “speech” - should we protect that? “Free speech” - it’s more complicated than it used to be, and it’s definitely not always a beautiful thing. You want it to be easy - sorry, getting it right isn’t easy.
What is happening now isn't getting it right. If you think it is, then you or anybody you support politically are never the type of people who should be in charge of the country. Period.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
That’d be true if it wasn’t wrong. These people haven’t had their “free speech” denied. Why aren’t you complaining that the NYTimes isn’t publishing their thoughts? Why aren’t you mad at Fux for not interviewing some lefties? People don’t have a Right to have their speech published everywhere they want it just because they have a thought.
How about spam? I bet spammers think of their email and robo calls as “speech” - should we protect that? “Free speech” - it’s more complicated than it used to be, and it’s definitely not always a beautiful thing. You want it to be easy - sorry, getting it right isn’t easy.
I have posted many times that once you have to PAY to have your speech heard, it is no longer "free". And I don't mean "free" (as in beer) I mean "free" (as in freedom).
I HAVE been objecting to the control that MONEY has on free speech, because MONEY controls which speech is heard and which speech isn't.
Jeez, you're stupid.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
nk?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You REALLY don't know how to read, do you? Or maybe it is that you don't know how to think?
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
That’d be true if it wasn’t wrong. These people haven’t had their “free speech” denied. Why aren’t you complaining that the NYTimes isn’t publishing their thoughts? Why aren’t you mad at Fux for not interviewing some lefties? People don’t have a Right to have their speech published everywhere they want it just because they have a thought.
How about spam? I bet spammers think of their email and robo calls as “speech” - should we protect that? “Free speech” - it’s more complicated than it used to be, and it’s definitely not always a beautiful thing. You want it to be easy - sorry, getting it right isn’t easy.
I have posted many times that once you have to PAY to have your speech heard, it is no longer "free". And I don't mean "free" (as in beer) I mean "free" (as in freedom).
I HAVE been objecting to the control that MONEY has on free speech, because MONEY controls which speech is heard and which speech isn't.
Jeez, you're stupid.
God, you’re so old. I wasn’t even talking to you, dumbass. Who cares what you think? We ALL know it’ll just be one form of shit pile or another. The only variation is how many characters.
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I'd rather be old than stupid.
Meanwhile, I see you have nothing to say about how money controls "free" speech? So, are you for or against money controlling free speech? And why, or why not?
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CHRISTCHURCH CALL
https://www.christchurchcall.com/
And its aftermath ...
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No to Christchurch Call: Put aside your hate of Trump for a day – he may have just saved free speech
Even adversaries of the US president should admit that he is the only one who has stood up to the disturbing anti-free speech proposal concocted by illiberal globalist world leaders and compliant tech companies.
Ironically, by becoming the sole leader of a major Western power to reject the ‘Christchurch Call’ – the cross-border plan to restrict “terrorist and extremist” content online – Donald Trump has consolidated support for the document, sparing it deserved scrutiny.
After all, who doesn’t want to stop violence being spread through social media, particularly in the wake of the double mosque shooting in New Zealand in March? Well – judging by the commentary in mainstream media outlets – only that exceptionalist US president, and that band of white supremacists on whom he is relying to win in 2020.
Also on rt.com US rejects ‘Christchurch call’ to censor ‘extremist’ online content over free speech concerns
But I would urge those of all political persuasions to study the text of the document, presented by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Emmanuel Macron in Paris this week, and endorsed by every major US online giant – Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and Twitter.
Are these really the powers you want to give away to officials and Silicon Valley execs? Or should we at least ask some clarifying questions first?
Orwell’s bingo
Here are some notable and representative excerpts:
We, the governments commit to counter the drivers of terrorism and violent extremism by strengthening the resilience and inclusiveness of our societies to enable them to resist terrorist and violent extremist ideologies, including through education, building media literacy to help counter distorted terrorist and violent extremist narratives, and the fight against inequality.
This is the first bullet point, and we are already onto loaded political terminology rife with assumptions.
Why must societies become more “inclusive” – a byword for multiculturalism – to stop terrorism? Why is the “fight against inequality” – a predominantly leftist agenda – a pre-condition for preventing it? Osama bin Laden wasn’t a pauper, and neither was gym trainer Brenton Tarrant for that matter.
More important are the treacherously vague definitions that almost invite abuse. Who decides what is a “distorted narrative”? How do you “build media literacy” – is it, as always, by using NewsGuard to tell people not to click on RT.com instead of the New York Times?
What is even “violent extremist ideology”? Support for mass murder in mosques is. But what about those who want mosques shut down because they believe Islam is a scourge on Western society? Or those who ride out in militias to protect the US-Mexican border from illegal migrants? Are they advocating a “violent extremist ideology”? How about Black Lives Matter – they often engage in violence, and demand radical social change? Antifa? The Venezuelan opposition, who plan to overthrow their elected president and want the army to defect?
Support frameworks, such as industry standards, to ensure that reporting on terrorist attacks does not amplify terrorist and violent extremist content, without prejudice to responsible coverage of terrorism and violent extremism.
I’ve written at length about the fallout from the New Zealand-only censorship of Tarrant’s trial, but the core point here is: why should governments tell the free media – through these nebulous “industry standards” – how to cover what politicians say is “extremist content"? Or anything at all.
What is “amplify”? Where does the line lie between “not amplifying” and hushing up? What is “responsible coverage”?
Accelerate research into and development of technical solutions to prevent the upload of and to detect and immediately remove terrorist and violent extremist content online, and shNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Meanwhile, GSTRING hasn't responded on whether (big) money should control free speech.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, GSTRING hasn't responded on whether (big) money should control free speech. .
Yes he has. Consistently.
He's all for it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, GSTRING hasn't responded on whether (big) money should control free speech. .
Yes he has. Consistently.
He's all for it.
I see Sig4Brains has schooled you on how to use lying. You train easy.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims. Great guy, so smart.
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Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
lol. His replies become even more comical by the day.
It's getting to the point that I resent that he is even wasting the collective oxygen.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
lol. His replies become even more comical by the day.
It's getting to the point that I resent that he is even wasting the collective oxygen.
Make up your tiny mind. Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
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Speech is free, oxygen not so much.
J/k
So say, GSTRING, since you're using oxygen anyway, how about sending some of that up to your brain and come up with an answer: Is it ok for big money to control free speech?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
lol. His replies become even more comical by the day.
It's getting to the point that I resent that he is even wasting the collective oxygen.
Make up your tiny mind. Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
I'm not an authority that is authorized to censor speech.
I didn't call for anybody to censor your ceaseless idiocy. I've never once gone to Haken to ask you or anybody else to be removed. You're completely free to say all of the stupid shit you want to your heart's content.
And I'm completely free to feel that the world would be better off if you stopped converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
lol. His replies become even more comical by the day.
It's getting to the point that I resent that he is even wasting the collective oxygen.
Make up your tiny mind. Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
I'm not an authority that is authorized to censor speech.
I didn't call for anybody to censor your ceaseless idiocy. I've never once gone to Haken to ask you or anybody else to be removed. You're completely free to say all of the stupid shit you want to your heart's content.
And I'm completely free to feel that the world would be better off if you stopped converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.
Damn - I simply ask you what you said and what you meant and you go all turtle.
Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
Not hard questions - if you don’t know what you said or what you meant, fine.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Speech is free, oxygen not so much.
J/k
So say, GSTRING, since you're using oxygen anyway, how about sending some of that up to your brain and come up with an answer: Is it ok for big money to control free speech?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I see GSTRING continues to lie.
Meanwhile, you still stand for the “rights” of pedophiles to use YouTube to find victims
Also, GSTRING continues to evade the question.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
lol. His replies become even more comical by the day.
It's getting to the point that I resent that he is even wasting the collective oxygen.
Make up your tiny mind. Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
I'm not an authority that is authorized to censor speech.
I didn't call for anybody to censor your ceaseless idiocy. I've never once gone to Haken to ask you or anybody else to be removed. You're completely free to say all of the stupid shit you want to your heart's content.
And I'm completely free to feel that the world would be better off if you stopped converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.
Damn - I simply ask you what you said and what you meant and you go all turtle.
Didn't you say all speech should be protected? And that de-platforming someone from YouTube or Facebook was denying people their free speech?
Not hard questions - if you don’t know what you said or what you meant, fine.
Yes. I did say that. I've never once said anything against what I said.
You seem to think that you've caught me in a trap.
I assure you, that you haven't.
You're completely free to be as stupid, obnoxious and annoying as you are and always will be.
I'm completely free to believe that in a world of increasingly limited resources that you're among those that are wasting them needlessly.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Did infowars Alex Jones finally make an interesting vid?
Alex Jones Heckled by Yale Students While Filming for Infowars on Campus
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alex-jones-heckled-by-yale-students-
while-filming-for-infowars-on-campus/
Alex Jones visits New Haven for Skull and Bones video
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alex-jones-visits-new-haven-for-skul
l-and-bones-video/
Alex Jones Says He Lost Laptop Containing 10,000 Bitcoins
!!
https://news.bitcoin.com/alex-jones-lost-laptop-10000-bitcoins/
The Fear Monger...selling Vitamin pills...He finally does something interesting?
Did he go way too outrageous with his crazy claims, he has been sued for lies, did he go way too political??
Seems Alex Jones is firmly on the side of the Anti Vax and ConservativeRightwing Republican guys
https://rumble.com/veizc1-austins-democratic-socialists-protest-in-fav
or-of-their-own-oppression.html
'Austin’s Democratic Socialists Protest In Favor Of Their Own OPPRESSION!'
Exclusive: Alex Jones Confronts Skull and Bones On 322
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GeaNtMnYGCc8/
Confronts Skull and Bones
https://gab.com/RealAlexJones/posts/105958866751452795
Wonder if he will speak on the arrest of Joe Biggs?
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Kanye West, newly reinstated to Twitter, calls out 'free speech absolutist' Elon Musk for not also reinstating Alex Jones
https://www.businessinsider.com/ye-reinstated-twitter-musk-free-speech
-absolutist-alex-jones-2022-11
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'Alex Jones lives it up but refuses to pay $1.5bn debt to Sandy Hook families'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/15/alex-jones-infowars-sa
ndy-hook-damages
The Lizard Aliens guy is still going strong
An Infinite Journey of Exploring Forever | David Icke
https://piped.video/watch?v=wUlvOLfSohI
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