The Coddling of the American Mind

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RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:34 AM

please find and read the entire article at https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind

from The Atlantic by way of getpocket

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The Coddling of the American Mind

In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.

Something strange is happening at America’s colleges and universities. A movement is arising, undirected and driven largely by students, to scrub campuses clean of words, ideas, and subjects that might cause discomfort or give offense. Last December, Jeannie Suk wrote in an online article for The New Yorker about law students asking her fellow professors at Harvard not to teach rape law—or, in one case, even use the word violate (as in “that violates the law”) lest it cause students distress. In February, Laura Kipnis, a professor at Northwestern University, wrote an essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education describing a new campus politics of sexual paranoia—and was then subjected to a long investigation after students who were offended by the article and by a tweet she’d sent filed Title IX complaints against her. In June, a professor protecting himself with a pseudonym wrote an essay for Vox describing how gingerly he now has to teach. “I’m a Liberal Professor, and My Liberal Students Terrify Me,” the headline said.

This new climate is slowly being institutionalized, and is affecting what can be said in the classroom, even as a basis for discussion.

The current movement is largely about emotional well-being. ... it presumes an extraordinary fragility of the collegiate psyche, and therefore elevates the goal of protecting students from psychological harm. The ultimate aim, it seems, is to turn campuses into “safe spaces” where young adults are shielded from words and ideas that make some uncomfortable. And ... this movement seeks to punish anyone who interferes with that aim, even accidentally.

The dangers that these trends pose to scholarship and to the quality of American universities are significant; we could write a whole essay detailing them. But in this essay we focus on a different question: What are the effects of this new protectiveness on the students themselves?

There’s a saying common in education circles: Don’t teach students what to think; teach them how to think. The idea goes back at least as far as Socrates. Today, what we call the Socratic method is a way of teaching that fosters critical thinking, in part by encouraging students to question their own unexamined beliefs, as well as the received wisdom of those around them. Such questioning sometimes leads to discomfort, and even to anger, on the way to understanding.

But vindictive protectiveness teaches students to think in a very different way. A(nd) a campus culture devoted to policing speech and punishing speakers is likely to engender patterns of thought that are surprisingly similar to those long identified by cognitive behavioral therapists as causes of depression and anxiety. The new protectiveness may be teaching students to think pathologically.

(a history outlining highly protected childhoods of recent generations)

So it’s not hard to imagine why students arriving on campus today might be more desirous of protection and more hostile toward ideological opponents than in generations past. This hostility, and the self-righteousness fueled by strong partisan emotions, can be expected to add force to any moral crusade. Part of what we do when we make moral judgments is express allegiance to a team. But that can interfere with our ability to think critically. Acknowledging that the other side’s viewpoint has any merit is risky—your teammates may see you as a traitor.

We do not mean to imply simple causation, but rates of mental illness in young adults have been rising, both on campus and off, in recent decades.

The Thinking Cure ... For millennia, philosophers have understood that we don’t see life as it is; we see a version

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SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:59 AM

Trump’s Free-Speech Executive Order and the Right’s Fixation on Campus Politics
www.newyorker.com/news/current/trumps-free-speech-executive-order-and-
the-rights-fixation-with-campus-politics

In a White House ceremony on Thursday afternoon, Trump signed an executive order barring colleges that are deemed unduly restrictive of free speech from receiving federal funds—a move that was previewed in the President’s speech to this year’s CPAC conference, earlier this month, and in a tweet that he posted in early 2017, in response to protests that had broken out at U.C. Berkeley over a scheduled appearance by the right-wing agitator Milo Yiannopoulos: “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?”

The right’s fixation on campus politics has never had much to do with realities on the ground, of course. William F. Buckley’s jeremiad against the power and influence of leftists in the academy, “God and Man at Yale,” was published in 1951, a time when leftists were being hounded out of their jobs at American universities and elsewhere by a Second Red Scare. The victimization narrative has changed little since then, even as the conservative movement has come to wield an extraordinary amount of power in American politics and life—so much so that they’ve managed to enlist a President of the United States as an ally in their undergraduate squabbles.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:08 AM

referenced by the article

Common Cognitive Distortions

A partial list from Robert L. Leahy, Stephen J. F. Holland, and Lata K. McGinn’s Treatment Plans and Interventions for Depression and Anxiety Disorders (2012).

1. Mind reading. You assume that you know what people think without having sufficient evidence of their thoughts. “He thinks I’m a loser.”

2. Fortune-telling. You predict the future negatively: things will get worse, or there is danger ahead. “I’ll fail that exam,” or “I won’t get the job.”

3. Catastrophizing.You believe that what has happened or will happen will be so awful and unbearable that you won’t be able to stand it. “It would be terrible if I failed.”

4. Labeling. You assign global negative traits to yourself and others. “I’m undesirable,” or “He’s a rotten person.”

5. Discounting positives. You claim that the positive things you or others do are trivial. “That’s what wives are supposed to do—so it doesn’t count when she’s nice to me,” or “Those successes were easy, so they don’t matter.”

6. Negative filtering. You focus almost exclusively on the negatives and seldom notice the positives. “Look at all of the people who don’t like me.”

7. Overgeneralizing. You perceive a global pattern of negatives on the basis of a single incident. “This generally happens to me. I seem to fail at a lot of things.”

8. Dichotomous thinking. You view events or people in all-or-nothing terms. “I get rejected by everyone,” or “It was a complete waste of time.”

9. Blaming. You focus on the other person as the source of your negative feelings, and you refuse to take responsibility for changing yourself. “She’s to blame for the way I feel now,” or “My parents caused all my problems.”

10. What if? You keep asking a series of questions about “what if” something happens, and you fail to be satisfied with any of the answers. “Yeah, but what if I get anxious?,” or “What if I can’t catch my breath?”

11. Emotional reasoning. You let your feelings guide your interpretation of reality. “I feel depressed; therefore, my marriage is not working out.”

12. Inability to disconfirm. You reject any evidence or arguments that might contradict your negative thoughts. For example, when you have the thought I’m unlovable, you reject as irrelevant any evidence that people like you. Consequently, your thought cannot be refuted. “That’s not the real issue. There are deeper problems. There are other factors.”

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:12 AM

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:12 AM

More Nazi propaganda from RUE. Yawn.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:12 AM

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:19 AM

the authors

Jonathan Haidt

Jonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions.
Haidt has attracted both support and criticism for his critique of the current state of universities and his interpretation of progressive values. Haidt has been named one of the "top global thinkers" by Foreign Policy magazine, and one of the "top world thinkers" by Prospect magazine. He is among the most cited researchers in political psychology and moral psychology, and has given four TED talks.

Greg Lukianoff

A graduate of American University and Stanford Law School, he has described himself as a "pro-choice liberal."
Lukianoff has published articles in the Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Atlantic, Inside Higher Ed, and the New York Post. He is a blogger for the Huffington Post and served as a regular columnist for the Daily Journal of Los Angeles and San Francisco.
He has also appeared on various news shows, including Stossel on more than one occasion. Before joining FIRE, Lukianoff worked for the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, the Organization for Aid to Refugees, and the EnvironMentors Project. He lives in New York City.
Greg Lukianoff is the president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE). He previously served as FIRE's first director of legal and public advocacy until he was appointed president in 2006.

SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
More Nazi propaganda from RUE. Yawn.

It's actually an article, then a book, by right-wingers claiming left-wingers are crazy:

The Coddling of the American Mind
September 2015
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-ameri
can-mind/399356/

Three years later, the article had been expanded into a book:
www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-min
d-review

The core irony of The Coddling of the American Mind is that, by opposing identity politics, its authors try to consolidate an identity that does not have to see itself as such. Enjoying the luxury of living free from discrimination and domination, they therefore insist that the crises moving young people to action are all in their heads. Imagine thinking that racism and sexism were just bad ideas that a good debate could conquer! (As if a person did not need a minimum level of material security to participate in the kind of disinterested debate David Remnick and Steve Bannon might have enjoyed at the New Yorker festival.)

As the right liberals insist that students are suffering from pathological “distortions”, a sense of unreality prevails. In their safe space of TED talks and thinktanks and think pieces, the genteel crusaders against “political correctness” create their own speech codes. As their constituency shrinks, their cant of progress starts to sound hysterical. The minds they coddle just may be their own.

• The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt (Penguin, £20).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

The right’s fixation on campus politics has never had much to do with realities on the ground, of course.

They've always whined about colleges being too liberal. Always.

Now we've got groups like TPUSA who focus on and specialize in attacking professors they consider too liberal.

Professor Watchlist Is Seen as Threat to Academic Freedom
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/professor-watchlist-is-seen-as-t
hreat-to-academic-freedom.html

No Re-Turning Point, U.S.A.
From the “Professor Watchlist” to Tariq Khan, TPUSA’s campaign to silence opposition
https://thebaffler.com/the-poverty-of-theory/no-re-turning-point-u-s-a

I went inside a rightwing safe space to find out the truth about universities

With universities in an ‘existential crisis’, Turning Point USA sells a safe space for conservatives who have convinced themselves they are the embattled minority
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/07/charlie-kirk-tur
ning-point-usa-universities-free-speech-debate

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
https://www.favreau.info/misc/14-points-fascism.php

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:23 AM

the authors

Jonathan Haidt

Jonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions.
Haidt has attracted both support and criticism for his critique of the current state of universities and his interpretation of progressive values. Haidt has been named one of the "top global thinkers" by Foreign Policy magazine, and one of the "top world thinkers" by Prospect magazine. He is among the most cited researchers in political psychology and moral psychology, and has given four TED talks.

Greg Lukianoff

A graduate of American University and Stanford Law School, he has described himself as a "pro-choice liberal."
Lukianoff has published articles in the Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Atlantic, Inside Higher Ed, and the New York Post. He is a blogger for the Huffington Post and served as a regular columnist for the Daily Journal of Los Angeles and San Francisco.
He has also appeared on various news shows, including Stossel on more than one occasion. Before joining FIRE, Lukianoff worked for the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, the Organization for Aid to Refugees, and the EnvironMentors Project. He lives in New York City.
Greg Lukianoff is the president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE). He previously served as FIRE's first director of legal and public advocacy until he was appointed president in 2006.

Neither of them are Nazis or right-wing.

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:33 AM

btw

I invite you to read the article, especially the court cases and college /university policy decisions and actions, which are neither reasonable nor productive. And perhaps you might comment on the - yanno - actual content of the actual article.

Otherwise - my post stands un-refuted.

SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Neither of them are Nazis or right-wing.

Do you have some proof? Is that like Trump's proof he didn't cheat on his taxes? Do you have proof about the wholesomeness of Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt? You can repeat their titles, but that proves nothing about who the unedited, uncensored persons they are. Trump keeps insisting he is the least racist President and that he is both financially honest and truthful. That needs proof, which requires digging deep into actual behavior, not taking people's word for truth about themselves.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Neither of them are Nazis or right-wing.

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Do you have some proof?

Is wiki good enough for you? Then check out their entries, which also include links to referenced items.

It's simple enough, even for you.

Please note: while I can link information, I can't read it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lukianoff

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:47 AM

btw

I invite you to read the article, especially the court cases and college /university policy decisions and actions, which are neither reasonable nor productive. And perhaps you might comment on the - yanno - actual content of the actual article.

Otherwise - my post stands un-refuted.

SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Neither of them are Nazis or right-wing.
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Do you have some proof?
Is wiki good enough for you? Then check out their entries, which also include links to referenced items.

It's simple enough, even for you.

Please note: while I can link information, I can't read it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lukianoff

You can find Jordan fucking Peterson in wiki, too. Nowhere does the article mention he is a right-wing nut job teaching psychology at a University.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:51 AM

Very right wing.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

The Conservatives Behind the Campus ‘Free Speech’ Crusade

An upcoming conference at Bard College could shed important light on the right-wing funders behind a deceptive campaign to protect “free speech” while advancing conservative ideology on “liberal” campuses.
https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-behind-campus-%E2%80%98free
-speech%E2%80%99-crusade

What the Campus ‘Free Speech’ Crusade Won’t Say

There's a real enemy to free speech, but you're not hearing about it.
https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-
say-0/

Got any more bullshit you want me to blow up?

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You can find Jordan fucking Peterson in wiki, too. Nowhere does the article mention he is a right-wing nut job teaching psychology at a University.

I can't help it if you can't read. OF COURSE wiki doesn't call Peterson names. But it does cite his work and his associations. Here is but one example of many that will allow you to figure his positions out (assuming you can both read and think). "Peterson's perspective on the influence of postmodernism on North American humanities departments has been compared to Cultural Marxist conspiracy theories".

You'll find no such references in the entries of Haidt and Lukianoff. And both have significant liberal credentials. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they're in any right-wing group.

You might also want to check your mental processes.

Because you failed to address the actual subject, let alone refute it with facts buttressed by links, my position that neither Haidt nor Lukianoff are Nazis or right-wing still stands.

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:43 AM

btw

I invite you to read the article, especially the court cases and college /university policy decisions and actions, which are neither reasonable nor productive. And perhaps you might comment on the - yanno - actual content of the actual article. Be specific, with links.

Otherwise - my post stands un-refuted.

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:19 AM

RF

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

NOTE: 'rationalwiki' is NOT related to wikipedia. It's a discussion board organized by topic with an overtly stated agenda, and is significantly opinionated and biased.
From wikipedia "RationalWiki is a wiki whose stated aims are to critique and challenge pseudoscience and the anti-science movement, explore authoritarianism and fundamentalism and analyze how these subjects are handled in the media.[7] It was created in 2007 to counter Conservapedia after an incident in which contributors attempting to edit Conservapedia were banned."
Note that the Haidt article in rationalwiki doesn't have a single cited fact to back up it's assertion that Haidt "... has since devolved into a Very Serious Person after winning a Templeton prize, now spending his efforts on foggy discourse and dissing New Atheism."

https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-behind-campus-%E2%80%98free
-speech%E2%80%99-crusade "An upcoming conference at Bard College could shed important light on the right-wing funders behind a deceptive campaign to protect “free speech” while advancing conservative ideology on “liberal” campuses."

Less prognostication and opinion, and more facts would be relevant.

Nevertheless, what this article says about FIRE is this: "Now a thorough, mostly well-balanced report by the PEN (Poets, Essayists, and Novelists) American Center confirms that the conservative “free speech” crusade has gone too far. (but) the PEN report ... stops short of blaming the conservative group (FIRE) for wielding the cudgel, and even credits the organization with calling attention to threats against free speech. The report calls the organization “libertarian” but, confusingly, notes elsewhere in the text that the “FIRE is often regarded as libertarian or conservative and is viewed suspiciously by some liberal or progressive students and faculty.
Never mind that, as FIRE keeps discovering ... the college trustees and deans whom it condemns rightly enough for restricting speech are serving not politically correct pieties, but market pressures to satisfy student “customers” and avoid negative publicity, liability, and losses in “brand” or “market share.””

OMG. FIRE, a libertarian organization according to the article, actually correctly identifies threats to free speech.

https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-
say-0/
There's a real enemy to free speech, but you're not hearing about it.
This article appears to be about someone named Scott C. Johnston.

I've adequately refuted your claims.

The first is an unsupported opinion piece by an organization with a stated agenda.

The second credits LIFE for correctly identifying threats to free speech and calls it libertarian.

The third addresses the actions of Scott C. Johnston.

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:23 AM

meanwhile

I invite you to read the article, especially the court cases and college /university policy decisions and actions, which are neither reasonable nor productive. And perhaps you might comment on the - yanno - actual content of the actual article. Be specific, with links.

Otherwise - my post stands un-refuted.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:58 AM

RE: Idiocracy

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-22/18-statistics-prove-america-
has-become-idiocracy

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:59 AM

That OP story seems like old news.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:12 AM

Well, looks like Rue is being introduced to the current state of delusions of second. For many of us, second's devolution has been gradual, but Rue has not had that benefit.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:15 PM

Big surprise...

Marcos thinks that Jordan Peterson is a Nazi. (Isn't everyone these days?)

Hey, Marcos...

Name one thing that makes Peterson a Nazi.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I've adequately refuted your claims.

Still not grasping logic, I see. Then, Russian trolls aren't here to be logical.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 23, 2019 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Big surprise...

Marcos thinks that Jordan Peterson is a Nazi. (Isn't everyone these days?)

Hey, Marcos...

Name one thing that makes Peterson a Nazi.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Peterson would tell you he isn't a Nazi. He probably believes it.

He's a gateway. The way people are drawn into Nazism is subtle.

You don't just jump from "conservative who believes the free market will fix everything" to "Jews will not replace us" overnight.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:25 PM

REAVERBOT is a deficient program who's only response to any post he doesn't like is "Nazi" or "Russian troll".

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:25 PM

RF
Since you failed to refute my post with facts - backed up with links and quotes - this post stands un-refuted.

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
RF

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

NOTE: 'rationalwiki' is NOT related to wikipedia. It's a discussion board organized by topic with an overtly stated agenda, and is significantly opinionated and biased.
From wikipedia "RationalWiki is a wiki whose stated aims are to critique and challenge pseudoscience and the anti-science movement, explore authoritarianism and fundamentalism and analyze how these subjects are handled in the media.[7] It was created in 2007 to counter Conservapedia after an incident in which contributors attempting to edit Conservapedia were banned."
Note that the Haidt article in rationalwiki doesn't have a single cited fact to back up it's assertion that Haidt "... has since devolved into a Very Serious Person after winning a Templeton prize, now spending his efforts on foggy discourse and dissing New Atheism."

https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-behind-campus-%E2%80%98free
-speech%E2%80%99-crusade "An upcoming conference at Bard College could shed important light on the right-wing funders behind a deceptive campaign to protect “free speech” while advancing conservative ideology on “liberal” campuses."

Less prognostication and opinion, and more facts would be relevant.

Nevertheless, what this article says about FIRE is this: "Now a thorough, mostly well-balanced report by the PEN (Poets, Essayists, and Novelists) American Center confirms that the conservative “free speech” crusade has gone too far. (but) the PEN report ... stops short of blaming the conservative group (FIRE) for wielding the cudgel, and even credits the organization with calling attention to threats against free speech. The report calls the organization “libertarian” but, confusingly, notes elsewhere in the text that the “FIRE is often regarded as libertarian or conservative and is viewed suspiciously by some liberal or progressive students and faculty.
Never mind that, as FIRE keeps discovering ... the college trustees and deans whom it condemns rightly enough for restricting speech are serving not politically correct pieties, but market pressures to satisfy student “customers” and avoid negative publicity, liability, and losses in “brand” or “market share.””

OMG. FIRE, a libertarian organization according to the article, actually correctly identifies threats to free speech.

https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-
say-0/
There's a real enemy to free speech, but you're not hearing about it.
This article appears to be about someone named Scott C. Johnston.

I've adequately refuted your claims.

The first is an unsupported opinion piece by an organization with a stated agenda.

The second credits LIFE for correctly identifying threats to free speech and calls it libertarian.

The third addresses the actions of Scott C. Johnston.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 24, 2019 12:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Big surprise...

Marcos thinks that Jordan Peterson is a Nazi. (Isn't everyone these days?)

Hey, Marcos...

Name one thing that makes Peterson a Nazi.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Peterson would tell you he isn't a Nazi. He probably believes it.

He's a gateway. The way people are drawn into Nazism is subtle.

You don't just jump from "conservative who believes the free market will fix everything" to "Jews will not replace us" overnight.

LOL

Oh. He's not a Nazi. He's a GATEWAY DRUG!!!!!

You heard it here folks. The EXTREME left has official become the replacement of the Evangelical Right of the 80's that invoked the Satanic Panic.

You have become everything that you hate, Marcos. I hope you're proud of yourself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 24, 2019 3:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
RF

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

NOTE: 'rationalwiki' is NOT related to wikipedia. It's a discussion board organized by topic with an overtly stated agenda, and is significantly opinionated and biased.
From wikipedia "RationalWiki is a wiki whose stated aims are to critique and challenge pseudoscience and the anti-science movement, explore authoritarianism and fundamentalism and analyze how these subjects are handled in the media.[7] It was created in 2007 to counter Conservapedia after an incident in which contributors attempting to edit Conservapedia were banned."
Note that the Haidt article in rationalwiki doesn't have a single cited fact to back up it's assertion that Haidt "... has since devolved into a Very Serious Person after winning a Templeton prize, now spending his efforts on foggy discourse and dissing New Atheism."

https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-behind-campus-%E2%80%98free
-speech%E2%80%99-crusade "An upcoming conference at Bard College could shed important light on the right-wing funders behind a deceptive campaign to protect “free speech” while advancing conservative ideology on “liberal” campuses."

Less prognostication and opinion, and more facts would be relevant.

Nevertheless, what this article says about FIRE is this: "Now a thorough, mostly well-balanced report by the PEN (Poets, Essayists, and Novelists) American Center confirms that the conservative “free speech” crusade has gone too far. (but) the PEN report ... stops short of blaming the conservative group (FIRE) for wielding the cudgel, and even credits the organization with calling attention to threats against free speech. The report calls the organization “libertarian” but, confusingly, notes elsewhere in the text that the “FIRE is often regarded as libertarian or conservative and is viewed suspiciously by some liberal or progressive students and faculty.
Never mind that, as FIRE keeps discovering ... the college trustees and deans whom it condemns rightly enough for restricting speech are serving not politically correct pieties, but market pressures to satisfy student “customers” and avoid negative publicity, liability, and losses in “brand” or “market share.””

OMG. FIRE, a libertarian organization according to the article, actually correctly identifies threats to free speech.

https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-
say-0/
There's a real enemy to free speech, but you're not hearing about it.
This article appears to be about someone named Scott C. Johnston.

I've adequately refuted your claims.

The first is an unsupported opinion piece by an organization with a stated agenda.

The second credits LIFE for correctly identifying threats to free speech and calls it libertarian.

The third addresses the actions of Scott C. Johnston.

Is someone comingling Libertarians with Conservatives?
Really?

And rue, Trolls have been habitually LAX in their quoting syntax and Fidelity. Please check your syntax when posting, so we can decipher what you are saying.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 24, 2019 3:30 PM

Does anybody have the quote where Marcos called Peterson a Nazi?

It seems that, along the lines of his pro-censorship stance on everything, he is not at all afraid to re-write history and edit or flat out remove his old posts when he's said something stupid.

You can see a few empty posts by Marcos above. There no longer is any evidence in this thread that he did call Peterson a Nazi.

But we all saw it. That doesn't make it not true.

I'm going to go see if archive.org captured it.

EDIT: Nope. Last archive capture was in 2018.

Going to have to make sure to quote all of Marco's posts when I reply to him from now on. I suggest you all do the same.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:11 PM

REAVERBOT is a troll and a propagandist, and ... like all good propagnadists ... doesn't mind lying and rewriting history.

Capturing Marcos' ephemeral statements is one of the functions of "reply with quote" and the "predictions" thread. I recommend these built-in functions highly.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

REAVERFAN

Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:38 PM

It's fun blowing your arguments completely out of the water using facts you refuse to read.

People as seemingly harmless as Pewdiepie are gateways to full-blown Nazism. The actual, real Nazis are well aware of this. They won't stop, they'll just have to reconfigure, yet again.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Does anybody have the quote where Marcos called Peterson a Nazi?

It seems that, along the lines of his pro-censorship stance on everything, he is not at all afraid to re-write history and edit or flat out remove his old posts when he's said something stupid.

You can see a few empty posts by Marcos above. There no longer is any evidence in this thread that he did call Peterson a Nazi.

But we all saw it. That doesn't make it not true.

I'm going to go see if archive.org captured it.

EDIT: Nope. Last archive capture was in 2018.

Going to have to make sure to quote all of Marco's posts when I reply to him from now on. I suggest you all do the same.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If you insist upon continuing to feed the Trolls, you need to quote them. They rely upon you to be too lazy to do so.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 25, 2019 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's fun blowing your arguments completely out of the water using facts you refuse to read.

People as seemingly harmless as Pewdiepie are gateways to full-blown Nazism. The actual, real Nazis are well aware of this. They won't stop, they'll just have to reconfigure, yet again.

Are you too stupid to read the shit that you post yourself?

Read it again, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 6:20 PM

You've amply demonstrated who's stupid, and it's not me.

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 9:22 PM

Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 25, 2019 9:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
You've amply demonstrated who's stupid, and it's not me.

Whatever helps your broken brain sleep at night, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 25, 2019 9:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

I dunno, Marcos.

I guess we'll have to see what effect Trump's executive order on free speech has in store for the future of Cambridge University's funding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted:
Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

I dunno, Marcos.

I guess we'll have to see what effect Trump's executive order on free speech has in store for the future of Cambridge University's funding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Executive Order on Free Speech?
Is that a joke? Or did I miss something? Linky?

Never mind, found it buried in a Troll post.

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

I dunno, Marcos.

I guess we'll have to see what effect Trump's executive order on free speech has in store for the future of Cambridge University's funding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeing that Cambridge is in England, I don't think it will have any effect.

Derp.

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Never mind, found it buried in a Troll post.

Projection.

I bring facts and logic, and routinely destroy your tinfoil nonsense, Russian troll.

I already destroyed that bullshit order, and exposed it for what it is: The right's obsession with promoting fascism.

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 10:24 PM

Let me stomp you just a little bit more.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/trumps-free-speech-executive-or
der-and-the-rights-fixation-with-campus-politics

This is the kind of college-administrative minutiae—material for a page-B story in a campus newspaper—that conservative and mainstream journalists have spent the past several years reframing as creeping totalitarianism. (It should be said that the small boom in campus stories that began with dustups at Yale and the University of Missouri, in 2015, seems to have died down in the mainstream press.) But the right thrives on tales like this, and has been eager to see Trump stick it to liberal campuses for some time. In October, 2017, the American Enterprise Institute published a report recommending that federal funding for schools thought to be insufficiently protective of free speech be withheld either by legislation, at the discretion of grant-making agencies, or, as Trump has now done, by executive action. Interestingly, just months earlier, A.E.I. had issued another report, based on survey data, that challenged the panic over free speech and expression on campuses. “Recent protests against speakers at different colleges have raised questions about free speech on campus, with some critics characterizing universities as increasingly intolerant,” the report’s summary read. “Polls of college students and young people show little evidence of such a trend, although responses differ depending on the nature of the speech in question.”

The right’s fixation on campus politics has never had much to do with realities on the ground, of course. William F. Buckley’s jeremiad against the power and influence of leftists in the academy, “God and Man at Yale,” was published in 1951, a time when leftists were being hounded out of their jobs at American universities and elsewhere by a Second Red Scare. The victimization narrative has changed little since then, even as the conservative movement has come to wield an extraordinary amount of power in American politics and life—so much so that they’ve managed to enlist a President of the United States as an ally in their undergraduate squabbles.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-enterprise-institute/

RUE

Monday, March 25, 2019 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I dunno, Marcos.

I guess we'll have to see what effect Trump's executive order on free speech has in store for the future of Cambridge University's funding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Seeing that Cambridge is in England, I don't think it will have any effect.

Derp.

OMG. You FINALLY got the joke.

Never mistake your own stupidity as belonging to someone else.

REAVERFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 11:33 PM

Quote:
OMG. You FINALLY got the joke.

Never mistake your own stupidity as belonging to someone else.

The redneck is the one who missed it.

I know my constant crushing of you makes you very, very angry, but pretending it was a joke when it wasn't just lets me stomp you even harder.

Do you ever use facts? I find that they help me crush fake account trolls like yourself with ease.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 1:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

The right’s fixation on campus politics has never had much to do with realities on the ground, of course.
They've always whined about colleges being too liberal. Always.

Now we've got groups like TPUSA who focus on and specialize in attacking professors they consider too liberal.

Professor Watchlist Is Seen as Threat to Academic Freedom
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/professor-watchlist-is-seen-as-t
hreat-to-academic-freedom.html

No Re-Turning Point, U.S.A.
From the “Professor Watchlist” to Tariq Khan, TPUSA’s campaign to silence opposition
https://thebaffler.com/the-poverty-of-theory/no-re-turning-point-u-s-a

I went inside a rightwing safe space to find out the truth about universities

With universities in an ‘existential crisis’, Turning Point USA sells a safe space for conservatives who have convinced themselves they are the embattled minority
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/07/charlie-kirk-tur
ning-point-usa-universities-free-speech-debate

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
https://www.favreau.info/misc/14-points-fascism.php

While looking for something else, I notice that here we have 2 Trolls seeming to argue against each other.
Worth a laugh.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 1:12 AM

Fleeting mention was made of Trump's Executive Order on Free Speech, but I did not see details. Many MSM stories yakked about Trump's speech, but did not share the contents of the EOoFS.

Mention has been made regarding connecting Federal Funding to Colleges which do not allow Free Speech, but that does not seem to be in the EOoFS.

From what I could find, here is the full content of the OEoFS:

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -

IMPROVING FREE INQUIRY, TRANSPARENCY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY AT COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. The purpose of this order is to enhance the quality of postsecondary education by making it more affordable, more transparent, and more accountable. Institutions of higher education (institutions) should be accountable both for student outcomes and for student life on campus.

In particular, my Administration seeks to promote free and open debate on college and university campuses. Free inquiry is an essential feature of our Nation's democracy, and it promotes learning, scientific discovery, and economic prosperity. We must encourage institutions to appropriately account for this bedrock principle in their administration of student life and to avoid creating environments that stifle competing perspectives, thereby potentially impeding beneficial research and undermining learning.

The financial burden of hig her education on students and their families is also a national problem that needs immediate attention. Over the past 30 years, college tuition and fees have grown at more than twice the rate of the Consumer Price Index. Rising student loan debt, coupled with low repayment rates, threatens the financial health of both individuals and families as well as of Federal student loan programs. In addition, too many programs of study fail to prepare students for success in today’s job market.

The Federal Government can take meaningful steps to address these problems. Selecting an institution and course of study are important decisions for prospective students and significantly affect long-term earnings. Institutions should be transparent about the average earnings and loan repayment rates of former students who received Federal student aid. Additionally, the Federal Government should make this information readily accessible to the public and to prospective students and their families, in particular.

This order will promote greater access to critical information regarding the prices and outcomes of postsecondary education, thereby furthering the goals of the National Council for the American Worker established by Executive Order 13845 of July 19, 2018 (Establishing the President's National Council for the American Worker). Increased information disclosure will help ensure that individuals make educational choices suited to their needs, interests, and circumstances. Access to this information will also increase institutional accountability and encourage institutions to take into account likely future earnings when establishing the cost of their educational programs.

Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the Federal Government to:

(a) encourage institutions to foster environments that promote open, intellectually engaging, and diverse debate, including through compliance with the First Amendment for public institutions and compliance with stated institutional policies regarding freedom of speech for private institutions;

(b) help students (including workers seeking additional training) and their families understand, through better data and career counseling, that not all institutions, degrees, or fields of study provide similar returns on their investment, and consider that their educational decisions should account for the opportunity cost of enrolling in a program;

(c) align the incentives of institutions with those of students and taxpayers to ensure that institutions share the financial risk associated w

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
While looking for something else, I notice that here we have 2 Trolls seeming to argue against each other.
Worth a laugh.

You Russians are the only trolls here.

I use facts, you lie and deflect.

The substance of the order is to punish colleges and make education even more expensive and unattainable.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Cambridge University rescinds Jordan Peterson invitation
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/20/cambridge-university
-rescinds-jordan-peterson-invitation?CMP=twt_gu

Is this censorship?

I dunno, Marcos.

I guess we'll have to see what effect Trump's executive order on free speech has in store for the future of Cambridge University's funding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Seeing that Cambridge is in England, I don't think it will have any effect.

Derp.

Well. It seems you already have your answer then, Marcos.

Freedom of Speech doesn't exist outside of the United States.

Google it.

It's censorship, but it's not illegal outside of our borders.

Hopefully your kind doesn't win and ruin that for us here too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 10:36 AM

Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

https://pjmedia.com/trending/new-zealand-bookstore-disappears-from-fac
ebook-twitter-after-banning-jordan-peterson-book/

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:15 PM

It's just a bunch of recycled self-help pablum, anyway.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 26, 2019 10:08 PM

All the more reason not to start book burning.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

It's funny ironic how people who clearly don't understand English complain about books in bookstores.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

It's funny ironic how people who clearly don't understand English complain about books in bookstores.

You're going to have to clarify that statement.

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2.
(in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

BTW....

IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

It's funny ironic how people who clearly don't understand English complain about books in bookstores.

You're going to have to clarify that statement.

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2.
(in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

BTW....

IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Have you forgotten that Fascist Socialists love their fellow Fascist Socialists?

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you forgotten that Fascist Socialists love their fellow Fascist Socialists?

Fascism is the opposite of socialism.

I know English isn't your first language, comrade, but you should be able use words correctly if you're paid to troll.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:51 PM

Your brain overheats pretty quickly, doesn't it? Some bookstore in New Zealand doesn't want to carry someone's book and you go on full outrage. Talk about FEELZ, "they're not carrying a book I just heard about in New Zealand!! Whaaaa....!"

A private business can choose what to sell and what not too - UNLESS... maybe you want the government making those choices? Are you against private businesses being free to decide what they sell?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

Let me help you (even though it's a pointless exercise): Censorship is obviously not censorship - obviously there are different meanings depending on context and how it's used. In fact, you just proved that by offering up different definitions. You went out of your way to say that this case, the one you are so inflamed about, had nothing to do with government actions: "The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship" So are you just an angry fan?

Let's talk Banning. Are you for or against pedophiles being able to hang out in chat rooms trying to engage with minors? Or would you ban them from your forum if you owned one? You shouldn't have to think this through, but go ahead, take your time and let us know.

Sorry, censorship and banning in their most common use - at least in the way that would explain your outrage - almost always has a government component, usually in regards to gov overreach. See: Russia, Barr Report.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

Devoid of any understanding or knowledge, it would seem, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

Oh, how about:
It is NOT ironic that you would think so.
It IS ironic, that someone who purports to care so much about words has so little understanding of their meanings. You mean like that?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

So all private bookstores should be forced to carry all books? By government mandate or is this a new religious thing? You see how that sounds, right?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

It's not ironic - it's called Freedom. Look it up.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Your brain overheats pretty quickly, doesn't it? Some bookstore in New Zealand doesn't want to carry someone's book and you go on full outrage. Talk about FEELZ, "they're not carrying a book I just heard about in New Zealand!! Whaaaa....!"

A private business can choose what to sell and what not too - UNLESS... maybe you want the government making those choices? Are you against private businesses being free to decide what they sell?

Who's crying?

I'm just pointing out blatant censorship. The company said as much.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

Let me help you (even though it's a pointless exercise): Censorship is obviously not censorship - obviously there are different meanings depending on context and how it's used. In fact, you just proved that by offering up different definitions. You went out of your way to say that this case, the one you are so inflamed about, had nothing to do with government actions: "The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship" So are you just an angry fan?

Let's talk Banning. Are you for or against pedophiles being able to hang out in chat rooms trying to engage with minors? Or would you ban them from your forum if you owned one? You shouldn't have to think this through, but go ahead, take your time and let us know.

Sorry, censorship and banning in their most common use - at least in the way that would explain your outrage - almost always has a government component, usually in regards to gov overreach. See: Russia, Barr Report.

Censorship is censorship. It doesn't matter if it's a Government or a Business doing it. As I've stated before, there were no laws broken here. Americans are the only people in the world with a Constitutional right to Free Speech. Even if it were New Zealand's government that banned the book, that would be legal. Does that make it right?

Your "pedophile" argument is a false equivalency.

Even Marcos says that Peterson's book is nothing but self-help pablum.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

Devoid of any understanding or knowledge, it would seem, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

OK. Then it is just another example of your shitty grammar. I accept that. You just need to accept that people will continue to be confused by what you post until you learn how to write.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

Oh, how about:
It is NOT ironic that you would think so.
It IS ironic, that someone who purports to care so much about words has so little understanding of their meanings. You mean like that?

Yes. Just like that. You are still abusing the word. Thank you for two more examples.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/78

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Your brain overheats pretty quickly, doesn't it? Some bookstore in New Zealand doesn't want to carry someone's book and you go on full outrage. Talk about FEELZ, "they're not carrying a book I just heard about in New Zealand!! Whaaaa....!"

A private business can choose what to sell and what not too - UNLESS... maybe you want the government making those choices? Are you against private businesses being free to decide what they sell?
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

Let me help you (even though it's a pointless exercise): Censorship is obviously not censorship - obviously there are different meanings depending on context and how it's used. In fact, you just proved that by offering up different definitions. You went out of your way to say that this case, the one you are so inflamed about, had nothing to do with government actions: "The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship" So are you just an angry fan?

Let's talk Banning. Are you for or against pedophiles being able to hang out in chat rooms trying to engage with minors? Or would you ban them from your forum if you owned one? You shouldn't have to think this through, but go ahead, take your time and let us know.

Sorry, censorship and banning in their most common use - at least in the way that would explain your outrage - almost always has a government component, usually in regards to gov overreach. See: Russia, Barr Report.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

Devoid of any understanding or knowledge, it would seem, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

Oh, how about:
It is NOT ironic that you would think so.
It IS ironic, that someone who purports to care so much about words has so little understanding of their meanings. You mean like that?
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

So all private bookstores should be forced to carry all books? By government mandate or is this a new religious thing? You see how that sounds, right?
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

It's not ironic - it's called Freedom. Look it up.

The genius of the G-String Troll:
Censorship is obviously not censorship.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, March 28, 2019 7:50 PM

Way to not answer much.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your "pedophile" argument is a false equivalency.

Wait - you said yourself censorship is censorship. Changing your mind? You're in favor of banning a pedophile's speech, right? Or maybe not? Which is it?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Even Marcos says that Peterson's book is nothing but self-help pablum.

Ok?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
OK. Then it is just another example of your shitty grammar. I accept that. You just need to accept that people will continue to be confused by what you post until you learn how to write.

Sorry I confused you so much.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

^Repeated because it's just damn funny. I'm going to call Chick-fil-a and complain that they don't have hamburgers. "Why are you censoring food!"

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not at all. But the bookstore in question made a big public announcement about what they were doing and why they did it. It's called virtue signalling.

So it's not censorship - great, we agree.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

Ok, it's a tad ironic. Presumably, the books are pretty different. Guess that's what you call Freedom to sell what you want. Pretty awesome right.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Way to not answer much.

Speak for yourself. I'm still awaiting an intelligent reply from you.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your "pedophile" argument is a false equivalency.

Wait - you said yourself censorship is censorship. Changing your mind? You're in favor of banning a pedophile's speech, right? Or maybe not? Which is it?

A pedophile has protected free speech rights. I never said they didn't.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Even Marcos says that Peterson's book is nothing but self-help pablum.

Ok?

That's the disconnect here.

If a Pedophile wrote a book about raping children, not only wouldn't it be published, but they'd be investigated and if they had actually raped a child they'd go straight to the pokey and probably be murdered in prison.

Jordan Peterson wrote a self help book.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
OK. Then it is just another example of your shitty grammar. I accept that. You just need to accept that people will continue to be confused by what you post until you learn how to write.

Sorry I confused you so much.

Your horrible grammar is to blame. Don't feel bad. I don't blame you. I blame the public school system and the Democrats that put it in place.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

^Repeated because it's just damn funny. I'm going to call Chick-fil-a and complain that they don't have hamburgers. "Why are you censoring food!"

Holy shit with the false equivalency. I'm going to stop even replying to you if you can't make a legitimate argument. Being annoying is not how to win a debate, unless you're a troll.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not at all. But the bookstore in question made a big public announcement about what they were doing and why they did it. It's called virtue signalling.

So it's not censorship - great, we agree.

No. We don't agree. It absolutely was censorship. It was a business decision to censor a book to win virtue signalling points for the SJW retard crowd.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

Ok, it's a tad ironic. Presumably, the books are pretty different. Guess that's what you call Freedom to sell what you want. Pretty awesome right.

I guess we'll just see if Trump becomes that Fascist dictator you crybabies are always whining about and you start seeing Facebook and Twitter start shutting down any Liberal talking points. Then we'll see if your attitude about this remains blase.

Hey... It could happen. There's a LOT of hate for CNN and MSNBC right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, May 9, 2021 8:49 PM

Brief: ‘Stop Social Media Censorship Act’ stalled in Senate
https://thecurrentla.com/2021/brief-stop-social-media-censorship-act-s
talled-in-senate/

Student journalists shouldn’t be censored
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2021/05/student-journalists-shouldnt-be-cen
sored-opinion.html

The second wave of “cancel culture”
https://www.vox.com/22384308/cancel-culture-free-speech-accountability
-debate

Nobody Wants to Cancel the Classics — Except Academic Elites
https://news.yahoo.com/nobody-wants-cancel-classics-except-103021885.h
tml

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You can find Jordan fucking Peterson in wiki, too. Nowhere does the article mention he is a right-wing nut job teaching psychology at a University.

Jordan Peterson: Winston Churchill 'Exactly Right In His Diagnosis' On The Death Of Our Civilization
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cQz7nQKdGZNt/

Jordan Peterson Reacts to Red Skull Parody of Him
https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-red-skull-parody-captain-amer
ica-comic-1581325

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2021 9:57 PM

You've heard of "coddled eggs", right?

That's what's happened to the liberal American mind.

There were some nice liberals here once upon a time. NIKKI and MAGONS and TONYT for example. But the moment that some of their ideals were challenged, they wilted and disappeared. Now all that's left are liberaloid fascists who post hate speech 24/7/365.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 10, 2021 6:12 AM

There are still a lot of good Liberals out there.

The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are.

That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 10, 2021 7:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There are still a lot of good Liberals out there.

The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are.

That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

I disagree about the source of the Liberal's cowardice. It's not the fascist-liberaloids who scared them away. They ran away long before Trump, long before TDS, and long before SECONDRATE, REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, THUGR and the rest got on the crazy-train and started spewing lies and hate nonstop.

In fact, they ran away during Obama's second term. And that was when I started criticizing Obama ever so gently, and they behaved like snowflakes and melted.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 10, 2021 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There are still a lot of good Liberals out there.

The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are.

That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

I disagree about the source of the Liberal's cowardice. It's not the fascist-liberaloids who scared them away. They ran away long before Trump, long before TDS, and long before SECONDRATE, REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, THUGR and the rest got on the crazy-train and started spewing lies and hate nonstop.

In fact, they ran away during Obama's second term. And that was when I started criticizing Obama ever so gently, and they behaved like snowflakes and melted.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals.

I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump.

I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 10, 2021 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are. That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

SIX: I disagree about the source of the Liberal's cowardice. It's not the fascist-liberaloids who scared them away. They ran away long before Trump, long before TDS, and long before SECONDRATE, REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, THUGR and the rest got on the crazy-train and started spewing lies and hate nonstop.
In fact, they ran away during Obama's second term. And that was when I started criticizing Obama ever so gently, and they behaved like snowflakes and melted.

SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

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Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.

Well, I guess I have a couple of questions.

Let me see if I understand what you're posting. So you think that liberals became scarce during GWB's reign? Are you saying that his Presidency frightened many liberal into silence? Bc I was here at the time, and I'd say that liberals were more or less apoplectic about his wars of choice, and about the mass surveillance that began under his direction.

Or are you saying that the traditional antiwar Democratic liberal became polarized?

And I guess my second question is: How reflective is this board of the USA in general? While I don't think there are as many nut-bags "out there" as there are over here, people HAVE become polarized. Yanno, if you sound an alarm long enough SOME people become traumatized. AURAPTOR was completely traumatized by IRAQ!WMD!MUSHROOMCLOUD! just as JO became traumatized by RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! and that level of emotional warping takes years to overcome.

As for ppl like REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, SECONDRATE, and THUGR ... well, Trump's election just let the hate out that was already there. CAPTAINGSTRING is a different case: He shows all the hallmarks of being a paid liar: he was always triangulating his lies to look "reasonable" compared to the spittle that was flying here. But, he always lied. Now, I don't know of this was one of his paid gigs or this was just a hobbyist's extension of his work, but he was definitely a pro.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine many old-fasioned liberals out there anymore. The M$M has put a HUGE number of ppl thru the spin cycle continuously over the past 40 years or so, and it needs a certain mental toughness not to be warped by that treatment. I can't imagine people like NIKI and MAGONS staying true to their values if they couldn't articulate them even while Obama was President. I don't even know if THEY even know what their core values are. It would be interesting to find out, but I doubt we would read it from them.

But I agree with you: JSF is extremely hidebound, and calling anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest on any issue a "libtard" is counterproductive, at best.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 10, 2021 9:31 PM

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SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

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SIGS: Well, I guess I have a couple of questions.

Let me see if I understand what you're posting. So you think that liberals became scarce during GWB's reign?

No.

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Are you saying that his Presidency frightened many liberal into silence?

No.

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Bc I was here at the time, and I'd say that liberals were more or less apoplectic about his wars of choice, and about the mass surveillance that began under his direction.

So was I. At least around late 2005/early 2006 when I joined the site.

It's one of the thing that angers me about the Democratic Party today, or at least their loudest voices. I literally hate them for pushing me so far to the right today, when 15 years ago I was arguing along side of them. I was one of GWB's largest critics here. Frem and I talked at length about the Patriot Act.

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Or are you saying that the traditional antiwar Democratic liberal became polarized?

No. I'm not saying that either.

What I'm referring to when I say that Al Gore losing is where I place the Genesis of where the Democratic Party seems to be today is that was the time that gave rise to the "new" Democrats. The Millennials who had just started graduating college through the strongest wave of Marxist indoctriation this country has ever seen (I mean, until now... It gets worse every day so you can say that phrase every day and it would be true every day).

Al Gore losing the election while winning the popular vote, and all of the controversy surrounding it like the hanging chads in Florida gave rise to the By Any Means Necessary Democrats. The pink haired Twitter weirdos. The hypocrites today that are putting John McCain, GWB, John Bolton, Mitt Romney, the Cheney family and other filth on a pedestal because they've already forgotten how absolutely terrible any of them were for the citizens of this country because they once said something shitty about Trump.

The true Liberals didn't didn't go that way. Or at least, the vast majority of them didn't.

But they got bullied, just like conservatives did. But it was even worse for them because it was by the very party they've identified with their entire life.

As bad as it was for me to see everything get flipped on its head over the last 2 decades, I never had or ever claimed any political affiliation. I've always said that both sides suck. It's just a different side that sucks less than the other one in 2021 than did in the mid 2000's.

But I feel bad for "classical" Liberals who have had to face the prospect of being cast out of their party, or even worse... cast out of their circle of friends and even family for speaking up. It's that, or just shut up and pretend you're on board with them. Or doing the unspeakable and just walking away.

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And I guess my second question is: How reflective is this board of the USA in general? While I don't think there are as many nut-bags "out there" as there are over here, people HAVE become polarized. Yanno, if you sound an alarm long enough SOME people become traumatized. AURAPTOR was completely traumatized by IRAQ!WMD!MUSHROOMCLOUD! just as JO became traumatized by RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! and that level of emotional warping takes years to overcome.

I don't think this board in particular is at all indicative of the USA in general. Probably even less so than Twitter, and that's because there are so few of us left here. I think, at best, when this site was still roaring it was about as good of a barometer of the USA in general as Twitter is today. (Which still is to say, not

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 11, 2021 4:56 AM

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SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

SIGS: Well, I guess I have a couple of questions. Let me see if I understand what you're posting. So you think that liberals became scarce during GWB's reign?

SIX: No.

SIGS: Are you saying that his Presidency frightened many liberal into silence?

SIX: No.

SIGS: Bc I was here at the time, and I'd say that liberals were more or less apoplectic about his wars of choice, and about the mass surveillance that began under his direction.

SIX: So was I. At least around late 2005/early 2006 when I joined the site.
It's one of the thing that angers me about the Democratic Party today, or at least their loudest voices. I literally hate them for pushing me so far to the right today, when 15 years ago I was arguing along side of them. I was one of GWB's largest critics here. Frem and I talked at length about the Patriot Act.

SIGS: Or are you saying that the traditional antiwar Democratic liberal became polarized?

SIX: No. I'm not saying that either.
What I'm referring to when I say that Al Gore losing is where I place the Genesis of where the Democratic Party seems to be today is that was the time that gave rise to the "new" Democrats. The Millennials who had just started graduating college through the strongest wave of Marxist indoctriation this country has ever seen (I mean, until now... It gets worse every day so you can say that phrase every day and it would be true every day).

Al Gore losing the election while winning the popular vote, and all of the controversy surrounding it like the hanging chads in Florida gave rise to the By Any Means Necessary Democrats. The pink haired Twitter weirdos. The hypocrites today that are putting John McCain, GWB, John Bolton, Mitt Romney, the Cheney family and other filth on a pedestal because they've already forgotten how absolutely terrible any of them were for the citizens of this country because they once said something shitty about Trump.

The true Liberals didn't didn't go that way. Or at least, the vast majority of them didn't.

I think I see what you're saying. The formation of MoveOn.org and the rise of "clicktivsim" at the end of Clinton's 2nd term and the beginning of GWB's. But I have to say that the DNC (establishment) lost it's way long before the liberal electorate.
Despite what SECOND and other anti-GOP and TDSers believe, the Democrat party was NEVER an antiwar party.

Vietnam? JFK and LBJ.
Funding jihadists in Afghanistan? Carter.
Destroying Yugoslavia? Clinton.
Syria, Libya, Ukraine? Obama.

SOME of the party faithful and SOME Dem politicians were anti-war, but the establishment always decided otherwise.

AFA selling Americans downstream, de-industrializing the USA, fostering communication and tech monopolies, coddling the banks, and getting onboard with the NWO? Clinton was all about that, just as much as GWB afterwards and Pappy Bush before him.

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But they got bullied, just like conservatives did. But it was even worse for them because it was by the very party they've identified with their entire life.

The bullying ocurred as a result of 9-11. Everyone was stampeded into a reign of terror about terorism. I think THAT'S when liberal Dem voters tossed whatever remaing values they had overboard.

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SIX: As bad as it was for me to see everything get flipped on its head over the last 2 decades, I never had or ever claimed any political affiliation. I've always said that both sides suck. It's just a different side that sucks less than the other one in 2021 than did in the mid 2000's.

But I feel bad for &

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, May 11, 2021 7:31 PM

More Jihad over funny cartoons?

Pakistan Parliament to consider French envoy's expulsion
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/pakistan-parliament-to-consider-fre
nch-envoys-expulsion-pakistan-french-imran-khan-islam-islamists-b1834221.html

Hollywood’s hypocritical, eye-rolling protest of the Golden Globes
https://nypost.com/2021/05/10/hollywoods-hypocritical-protest-of-the-g
olden-globes/

Tranny Shemale Agenda?
Biden Administration Decides Sex Is Non-Biological In New HHS Announcement
https://www.lucianne.com/2021/05/11/biden_administration_decides_sex_i
s_non-biological_in_new_hhs_announcement_59893.html

Trump calls Facebook ban on his accounts a 'total disgrace' and breach on his free speech
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9545469/Facebook-oversight-bo
ard-UPHOLDS-ban-Trumps-account.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 12, 2021 8:12 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I see what you're saying. The formation of MoveOn.org and the rise of "clicktivsim" at the end of Clinton's 2nd term and the beginning of GWB's. But I have to say that the DNC (establishment) lost it's way long before the liberal electorate.

Yeah, but not just that. It comes with other things like pushing cultural Marxism in schools and every single corner of our culture. And with the internet, being able to out people who disagree and attempt to destroy their lives for it.

I honestly believe that we'd be living in a completely alternate timeline right now had Al Gore won instead of GWB.

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Despite what SECOND and other anti-GOP and TDSers believe, the Democrat party was NEVER an antiwar party.

Vietnam? JFK and LBJ.
Funding jihadists in Afghanistan? Carter.
Destroying Yugoslavia? Clinton.
Syria, Libya, Ukraine? Obama.

SOME of the party faithful and SOME Dem politicians were anti-war, but the establishment always decided otherwise.

You're not going to hear an argument out of me. The Establishment has their claws firmly in each party.

I'm trying to keep this discussion as little about the party and politicians and more about the American People.

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AFA selling Americans downstream, de-industrializing the USA, fostering communication and tech monopolies, coddling the banks, and getting onboard with the NWO? Clinton was all about that, just as much as GWB afterwards and Pappy Bush before him.

Yup. See Above. See Also any time I've ever said that Bush/Clinton/Obama/Biden are exactly the same.

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The bullying ocurred as a result of 9-11. Everyone was stampeded into a reign of terror about terorism. I think THAT'S when liberal Dem voters tossed whatever remaing values they had overboard.

I don't know about that. I think the amount of people who were "terrified" was pretty small. Just like Covid, the Media made that a much bigger deal than it was. In reality, it should have been a few weeks mourning process, then we should have just let the worldwide Muslim community know that they'd better reign in their fringe elements or else the next time anything like that happened to us at their hand we would nuke Mecca and turn the desert into glass. No need for a forever war over it.

And besides, the internet was still nothing but random blog pages all over the place, with half the adults in the country not even using it yet. There was no real bullying going on in the early 2000's. That didn't actually really start until MySpace was dead and everybody's grandma was on Facebook.

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I can't see how, and I live in what used to be a very "liberal" state, which has since become completely deranged.

I think you're focusing way too much on TV and the News, and what they say the world is like.

Whenever I step outside, it's an entirely different world than the News would have me believe it is. Located where I am, when I work the jobs available to me, I am a minority. When I go shopping, half the time I am the minority being a white dude. Everywhere I shop, white employees are the minority. I've forced myself to make small talk at the registers as an adult since I was always so quiet when I was younger. I'd told an Asian woman around my age a month earlier that I'd been buying the garbage microwave food while I was working on stripping and sanding cabinets, she asked me just last week how my kitchen was looking. That was really cool, and I thanked her for remembering that. I love to flirt with the black girls at the big box hardware store and make them giggle.

That kid who went out of his way to help me get the drain in my car the other day? He's at least half Mexican. Without any reward in mind, and without me even having to look his way or flag him over, he shouted "hey! you want some help with that?". He could have easily just turned his head