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Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:51 PM

SECOND, you'll find greedy money-grubbers in EVERY nation. And those greedy money-grubbers who trangress the ethics of honesty, fairness, and hard work??? They're called sociopaths. You'll find them in every nation, and every political party everywhere. (And btw, do you really think that Hillary wasn't going to represent the rich? Dood, she was going to represent the rich ... bankers, pharmaceutical corporations, health insurances ... people who are far richer than you could ever dream of being.)

"The problem" is that greedy money-grubbers (such as yourself) have completely taken over the media and government and changed laws and the social narrative to make what they do ACCEPTABLE. "Greed is good".

Back in "the day", when people had to scrabble a living from their farms or their own small businesses, hard work was rewarded. But since the dawn of capitalism and centralized production, rewards flow to the owner, not the worker. Now, they flow to the speculator. Hell, considering how poorly hard work, honesty, and diligence are rewarded, it's surprising that you can find anyone who exhibits any of those traits any more.

The message to the masses changed from a Puritanical belief in hard work to one of mass consumption. This was only possible because the USD became the world currency, and thus we were able to consume what we never produced.

Not to worry ... it's coming to an end. And the bread and circuses that kept Americans torpid is going to end with it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, March 8, 2019 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you'll find greedy money-grubbers in EVERY nation. And those greedy money-grubbers who trangress the ethics of honesty, fairness, and hard work??? They're called sociopaths. You'll find them in every nation, and every political party everywhere. (And btw, do you really think that Hillary wasn't going to represent the rich? Dood, she was going to represent the rich ... bankers, pharmaceutical corporations, health insurances ... people who are far richer than you could ever dream of being.)

"The problem" is that greedy money-grubbers (such as yourself) have completely taken over the media and government and changed laws and the social narrative to make what they do ACCEPTABLE. "Greed is good".

Back in "the day", when people had to scrabble a living from their farms or their own small businesses, hard work was rewarded. But since the dawn of capitalism and centralized production, rewards flow to the owner, not the worker. Now, they flow to the speculator. Hell, considering how poorly hard work, honesty, and diligence are rewarded, it's surprising that you can find anyone who exhibits any of those traits any more.

The message to the masses changed from a Puritanical belief in hard work to one of mass consumption. This was only possible because the USD became the world currency, and thus we were able to consume what we never produced.

Not to worry ... it's coming to an end. And the bread and circuses that kept Americans torpid is going to end with it.

I mentioned Washington, Jefferson, and slavery for a reason: to point out that white Southerners were a bunch of moneygrubbing thugs and murderers in 1860, many years before Freud supposedly taught the wealthy how to manipulate the voters. The elite didn't make the common person that way. The common person did it to themselves because they didn't want to do the work themselves, but they did want wealth and security from owning slaves:

The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned slaves. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent in Arkansas).

But as Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion point out in Slate, the percentages don’t fully express the extent to which the antebellum South was a slave society, built on a foundation of slavery. Many of those white families who couldn’t afford slaves aspired to, as a symbol of wealth and prosperity. In addition, the essential ideology of white supremacy that served as a rationale for slavery, made it extremely difficult — and terrifying — for white Southerners to imagine life alongside a black majority population that was not in bondage. In this way, many non-slave-owning Confederates went to war to protect not only slavery, but to preserve the foundation of the only way of life they knew.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/slavery-myths-seven-lies-h
alf-truths-and-irrelevancies-people-trot-out-about-slavery-debunked.html

www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery

Trump is very appealing to Neo-Confederates of the 21st Century. If a Republican tells you it doesn't exist in his party, tell him he must not live in the South.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Friday, March 8, 2019 1:37 AM

tick tock

What is the justice department doing to Trump? They are deconstructing him. Taking his organization apart to examine, in order to reveal, the basis or composition. Often with the intention of exposing biases, flaws, or inconsistencies deconstructing the myths.

Oh no donnie


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Friday, March 8, 2019 1:51 AM

And then second, there were the greedy sociopathic robber baron industrialists who were ... ta da! ... northern industrialists! And the greedy sociopathic robber barons of Silicon Valley! And the greedy sociopathic Jewish Rothschild bankers of Europe!

My god, SECOND, you're just plainly obsessed. I mean like something you'd find in the DSM.

You're like a flat earther. So seriously not worth the time

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, March 8, 2019 9:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good for you, bud.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

On My 600-lb. Life, a TV show in Houston, a patient prepared a breakfast of 1 lb sugar, 1 lb melted butter, blend in a bowl, and eat with a spoon. It is a very energizing breakfast for a fat person. Trump is like that breakfast. He sells what tastes good and gives you energy to face the day. He eats the same. On the other hand, Hillary is a bowl of oatmeal with only a sprinkle of sugar on top. So bland. This is why the rich prefer Trump, the breakfast of winners.
www.newsweek.com/my-600-pound-life-update-spoilers-destinee-lashaee-no
w-1354267


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



What Trump does from day to day has little to nothing to do with my life or how I live it.

I'd say if anything, you're the one of the both of us gorging yourself on Trump.

You're malnourished, son. Go do something positive with your life instead of bitching and moaning all day about evil Texas republicans and the diets of fat sacks of shit in Houston.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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THG
Friday, March 8, 2019 5:03 PM

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Friday, March 8, 2019 5:11 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What Trump does from day to day has little to nothing to do with my life or how I live it.

Trump is doing 3 things that could affect your life. They might be big enough that you will notice after Trump - the Unwisest President - is gone. These are all things that grow from Trump's wacko personality and a GOP controlled Senate. An average President won't have these problems because he would be wise enough to steer well clear. Two of them are deficits and the third involves Trump building nukes:

Here are the two deficits:

1) Tariff Man Has Become Deficit Man:
Trump has no idea how international trade works.

Republicans in Congress spent the entire Obama administration inveighing against budget deficits, warning incessantly that we were going to have a Greek-style fiscal crisis any day now. Donald Trump, on the other hand, focused his ire mainly on trade deficits, insisting that “our jobs and wealth are being given to other countries that have taken advantage of us.”

But over two years of unified G.O.P. control of government, a funny thing happened: Both deficits surged. The budget deficit has hit a level unprecedented except during wars and in the immediate aftermath of major economic crises. The trade deficit in goods has set a record $891 billion, its highest level in history.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/us-trade-deficit.html

2) Trump’s budget deficit will be over $12 trillion dollars. You read that number right. If unemployment increases in the future, the deficit will be much, much larger. It did not have to be this way, but Trump rewrote the tax code so that it will increase the deficit.
www.statista.com/statistics/216998/forecast-of-the-federal-debt-of-the
-united-states
/

Here is Trump building nukes that America would be better off without:

3) Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed

https://qz.com/1566325/

Drastically reducing America’s nuclear arsenal will strengthen US national security, nonproliferation expert Bruce Blair, a former US Air Force nuclear launch officer, told Congress today (March 6).

The MacArthur “genius grant” recipient said Donald Trump’s plan to expand US nuclear capabilities (pdf) will make the world a more dangerous place—and leave America more vulnerable to attack.

Appearing before the House Armed Services Committee, Blair called for the US to “return to the original, and generally accepted, basic premise of nuclear weapons”—using them solely for deterrence. Fighting war should be left to conventional forces, Blair insisted, according to prepared testimony he shared with Quartz.

“Our hair-trigger launch posture, which the Russians matched, continues to run the risk that fear, misperception, miscalculation, accident or false warning could trigger a nuclear exchange,” Blair said. “This risk of blundering into a nuclear war, rather than a cold-blooded sudden attack, presents what is by far the greatest immediate physical threat to the United States today.”

Trump’s proposed overhaul of nuclear forces would cost at least $1.7 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Blair lays out plans for a dramatically scaled-down version of current US capabilities, which he described in a phone interview as “massive overkill.”

Blair, a research scholar at Princeton University’s Program on Science and Global Security, told Quartz he hopes his alternative gets traction in the Democrat-controlled House. It will face opposition from the Republican Senate, the White House, and Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton, whom Blair characterized as a “one-man wrecking ball when it comes to arms control.”

“As you consider funding a makeover of our nuclear forces, it is a good time to choose between these competing worldviews. Should dangerous and unrealistic notions of warfighting continue to shape our nuclear posture and drive our investments, or should we pivot to a secure second-strike deterrent posture and leave w

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Friday, March 8, 2019 5:45 PM

I've been screaming about the deficit for 20 years now, and to be honest, nobody gave a shit about it before and my throat's tired.

What? Trump's in office and suddenly you give a shit?


As for nuclear war, meh. Somebody's going to blow the world up one of these days. They're all a bunch of sociopaths running things, both in our own country and everybody else's.

Hey. At least we won't have to wait for all the drinkable water to evaporate or be so full of radiation that we glow in the dark when we drink it if that happens.



Bottom line... I honestly don't care, buddy. Nobody cared before. Nobody is going to do anything about any of it. I'm certainly not going to be manipulated into hating Trump with this info now that the whole Russia conspiracy theory isn't going to work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 8, 2019 5:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And then second, there were the greedy sociopathic robber baron industrialists who were ... ta da! ... northern industrialists! And the greedy sociopathic robber barons of Silicon Valley! And the greedy sociopathic Jewish Rothschild bankers of Europe!

I do not find your last example about Jewish bankers of Europe as quite an effective condemnation of greed as, for example, the Nazis looting Europe, stealing all the art for themselves. Now that is greedy!

Oh, and I completely forgot about the Nazis stealing the land beneath the paintings and statues. That is Capitalistic greed squared.

Then there is the Nazis keeping slaves and killing the ones that displease them. That is Capitalistic greed cubed. Southerners from America did the slave thing, the sharecropper thing, the lynching thing, and the Nazi-style stealing of land, too. The Nazis learned how to run a slave society from reading books about the American South. I recall that Trump has swindled people out of their land and money and labor.

How American Racism Influenced Hitler
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-h
itler


What America Taught the Nazis. In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in codified racism — the United States.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-n
azis/540630
/

Just eight days after the Reich Citizenship Law, the Law on the Protection of German Blood and German Honor, and the Reich Flag Law were formally proclaimed by Adolf Hitler, 45 Nazi lawyers sailed for New York under the auspices of the Association of National Socialist German Jurists. The trip was a reward for the lawyers, who had codified the Reich’s race-based legal philosophy. The announced purpose of the visit was to gain “special insight into the workings of American legal and economic life through study and lectures,” and the leader of the group was Ludwig Fischer. As the governor of the Warsaw District half a decade later, he would preside over the brutal order of the ghetto.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 8, 2019 9:55 PM

I guess you don't know much about the Rothschilds then



SECOND, I'm going to take one more stab at trying to explain your obssession to you, in the hope of sharing a different persepctive.

Now, here's "the problem" as I see it: As much as you try to turn every single aspect of our collective "problem" over to your idee fixe, the source of our problem is not Trump (who, you must admit, is really a johnny-come-lately to the scene), it's not the GOP (Lincoln was a Republican, which is why so many former slave-state politicians were .. ta da! ... Democrats!) it's not racism, and its not the fact that slavery once existed in the USA. (BTW, there was slavery in Britain too.)

There have been extremes in political power and wealth, vast injustices done to the poor and dispossed throughout history, from Spartan and Roman slaves to the peasants of King Louis XIV's France and the Russian Romanovs to the (fomer) middle class of today's "developed" western nations and the grinding poverty of western client states.

I dare you to tell me that this is all due to Trump and the GOP!

There is a fundamental problem with power, money, and control in any society, and it's that they don't dissipate (like gases diffuse over time) they CONCENTRATE ... if you're looking for a physical model, you can say that power, money, and control behave gravitationally ... a small concentration attracts/ accrues further concentration, taking more and more into itself the more it collects.

Why?

BECAUSE IT CAN. A small difference in power or wealth, in the hands of a sociopath, can be springboarded to even greater power or wealth, and even greater amounts of wealth after that. And since smart sociopaths will always be born, inevitably the rewards of successful sociopathy will sift more power, wealth and control to the most successful, and these people will bend society's laws, religion, ethical foundation to suit themselves and to maintain their power over everyone else. It's an evolutionary process how power flows thru society and is captured and concentrated and re-concentrated into a select few.

Since the theft of wealth from "the masses" can't be accomplished completely thru brute force, the elite also focus on convincing "the masses" of the paradigms which enable that theft, whether its thru a religion or thru a government or entertainment/advertising (A Century of Self/ manufactured consent).

That's why peasants believed that their king or emperor was god's representative on earth ... wasted huge amounts of labor on building pyramids or cathedrals or palaces .... beliefs that today we would scoff at, altho we have our own "religion" which does most of us no good at all and is equally absurd, and that is the "religion" of money and "capitalism", with its ancillary jusifications of social Darwinism and competition (for the masses).

In terms of brute force, the elite buy their security systems (or they capture the states, or both), but they also buy their hangers-on and apers: courtiers, artisans, small business owners, bureaucrats, technocrats ... people who profit from the system a little bit more than "those people down there" and don't want to see fundamental change.

Eventually, the theft of wealth becomes so destabilizing that the society erupts in revolution or collapses in decay, the giant towers of wealth are destroyed, and the cycle begins again. Also, parenthetically, if "government" has one legitimate function, it would be the decentralization of power and wealth. The evidence of the capture of government is its hand-in-glove relationship with large economic interests: slavery, big monopolies, transnationals, banks.

What does this have to do with you?

Well, I have a busy day ahead of me, I'll have to get to that later.




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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blak

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