Fascistic immigration policy continues to kill kids
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UPDATED: Sunday, November 30, 2025 18:01
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It is a pattern of cruelty that hearkens back to the days of
, say it with me, Nazi Germany. Deception and cruelty, plus a stack of outrageous lies.
These "people" talk about following the law and doing things legally, what a fucking joke. The "leader" of the free world breaks the law every day of his life because he feels it doesn't apply to him. What a totally demented scumbag he is...not only that he gets to feed "red meat" to his base.
SGG
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
He was fine when he got here. Perhaps he shouldn't have been seized, locked up, and neglected until he died.
We have laws. Your fascist hero ignores what's right, in order to fan the deep hatred you feel for anyone not as backward as you.
Being so gullible and not very bright, you swallow the shit whole.
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SHINY, you obviously believe what you want to believe, but a clear reading of history says that when a large migrant population moves in, the natives don't fare well. There have been many mass migrations in human history in which the natives were overtaken by the immigrants. Oh, and BTW, it's not like the white man didn't deliberately slaughter hundreds of thousands of native; it wasn't just a passive invasion by germs that killed natives it was deliberate genocide.
Quote:Hmm... what happened to the Roman Empire, again?
A specific mass migration that is seen as especially influential to the course of history may be referred to as a 'great migration'. For example, great migrations include the Barbarian Invasions during the Roman Empire
Quote:And the Americas?
the Great Migration from England of the 1630s
Quote:The natives of California?
the California Gold Rush from 1848–1850
Quote:And the Abyssinians?
and The Great Oromo Migrations of Oromo tribes during the 15th and 16th centuries in the Horn of Africa.
Heck, even the invasion of Europe and Asia by Homo Sapiens didn't work out too well for the Neanderthals and Denisovans. Migrations do NOT always work out for the natives, so get your head out of wherever it is and look at reality.
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In any case, MY reaction to migrants is that we need to represent Americans first. We treat illegal aliens better than we treat many of our own citizens. Heck, we have homeless families out on the street who dodn't get the help that illegal aliens are getting.
Except for the fact that we have meddled in their nations, we have no moral obligation to take in a lot of migrants. We would be better off ending our interventionism in other nations and working to improve living conditions there instead (and not as just another corporate invasion.)
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Quote:Using hindsight, it is a shame the Native Americans were not more robust.
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SHINY, you're always looking that this from the perspective of the immigrant.
Yes, the fucking Europeans who first landed on Plymouth Rock should have stayed in England and been fucked by King George. You know what would have stopped those scheming bastards, a WALL.
But for once, look at this from the perspective of the native .... the REAL natives of the Americas- indigenous tribes of N, S, and Central America and the Caribbeans.
Are you saying that unrestricted immigration worked for THEM???? Because, the reality is that many of the original natives of the Americas welcomed the new immigrants. In N America they gave them corn and turkey and save them from starvation, they "helped" the new immigrants by learning THEIR language and intermarrying with THEIR people.
What happened to them?
IN REALITY, the natives should have shot the white invaders, and kept on shooting until there was nobody left to take word back to England.
As YOU said- you look at this from personal experience. YOU are pro-immigrant, and not necessarily pro-American. You paper over this contradiction by conflating "pro-immigrant" with "pro-America" by claiming immigration is what made American great, but in reality the two aren't the same. How about we dig a little deeper: WHAT made America great? What is "America" anyway?
The way we and I mean my Native American ancestors got guns was through trade. We gave you something that you wanted and guns were given back to us. We knew what they could do and for hunting they were better than a bow and arrow. Same thing with flour and sugar were also trade goods, white man foods. Not so good for us even now.
Columbus had 3 ships with him, and even if the tribes in Central or South America killed the crews of two. One could have gotten away and reported to Spain and word would have spread anyways about gold. More ships would have come.
Even if we killed every Englishman or in Canada the French as well. They would have kept coming. True no reports would have reached back to France or England but the oppression there would not have stopped. And people would have tried anyway to get away from it. It would not have stopped you, meaning Europeans from coming here.
Rumor is, they had the whole continent to themselves for 1,000 years or more. England had a population around BC which was sporadic, then effectively overran the borders within 1,000 years.
Man's innate drive to fight and kill fellow Man withered their ranks. Think of all the generations who died from War between Tribes/Nations. Such potential. Lost.
Although the Natives were obviously Occidental, the assumption was that Columbus had overshot the Orient, and these resembled most closely the stories of India Natives. Europeans had dealt pleasantly and peaceably with India, and it was reasonable that such cooperation would result here.
Failures at communication in this previously unknown dialect of India likely caused attacks which were not foreseen, thus creating such a combative reaction.
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Nobody has time for your white guilt, SGG. Go cry about it to somebody who cares.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Trolls: Abusers blaming the victim.
"See what you made me do?"
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Quote:No such thing as white guilt.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody has time for your white guilt, SGG. Go cry about it to somebody who cares.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's just a term used by neo-Nazi racists like yourself, like virtue signaling.
Reichwing brainwashing, making new words to rationalize your hate.
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Make me laugh again, clown.
Everything you say is funny.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Using hindsight, it is a shame the Native Americans were not more robust.
Originally posted by Brenda:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SHINY, you're always looking that this from the perspective of the immigrant.
Yes, the fucking Europeans who first landed on Plymouth Rock should have stayed in England and been fucked by King George. You know what would have stopped those scheming bastards, a WALL.
But for once, look at this from the perspective of the native .... the REAL natives of the Americas- indigenous tribes of N, S, and Central America and the Caribbeans.
Are you saying that unrestricted immigration worked for THEM???? Because, the reality is that many of the original natives of the Americas welcomed the new immigrants. In N America they gave them corn and turkey and save them from starvation, they "helped" the new immigrants by learning THEIR language and intermarrying with THEIR people.
What happened to them?
IN REALITY, the natives should have shot the white invaders, and kept on shooting until there was nobody left to take word back to England.
As YOU said- you look at this from personal experience. YOU are pro-immigrant, and not necessarily pro-American. You paper over this contradiction by conflating "pro-immigrant" with "pro-America" by claiming immigration is what made American great, but in reality the two aren't the same. How about we dig a little deeper: WHAT made America great? What is "America" anyway?
The way we and I mean my Native American ancestors got guns was through trade. We gave you something that you wanted and guns were given back to us. We knew what they could do and for hunting they were better than a bow and arrow. Same thing with flour and sugar were also trade goods, white man foods. Not so good for us even now.
Columbus had 3 ships with him, and even if the tribes in Central or South America killed the crews of two. One could have gotten away and reported to Spain and word would have spread anyways about gold. More ships would have come.
Even if we killed every Englishman or in Canada the French as well. They would have kept coming. True no reports would have reached back to France or England but the oppression there would not have stopped. And people would have tried anyway to get away from it. It would not have stopped you, meaning Europeans from coming here.
Rumor is, they had the whole continent to themselves for 1,000 years or more. England had a population around BC which was sporadic, then effectively overran the borders within 1,000 years.
Man's innate drive to fight and kill fellow Man withered their ranks. Think of all the generations who died from War between Tribes/Nations. Such potential. Lost.
Although the Natives were obviously Occidental, the assumption was that Columbus had overshot the Orient, and these resembled most closely the stories of India Natives. Europeans had dealt pleasantly and peaceably with India, and it was reasonable that such cooperation would result here.
Failures at communication in this previously unknown dialect of India likely caused attacks which were not foreseen, thus creating such a combative reaction.
JSF, WE and I mean Native Americans, Native Canadians and down into South American had this continent to ourselves for between 20,000 to 30,000 years. As I stated in a previous thread earliest site clocks in with Radio Carbon dating at 30,000years in South America.
Yes, and thanks to the infighting the English and French brought to our shores.
We were just fine here and there is no way of knowing what would have happened if Europeans hadn't landed on our shores.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BRENDA ... by "shoot" I didn't mean with guns, I meant with arrows or poison darts or whatever tribes/ nations used in their areas.
And actually almost since nobody expected Columbus to succeed, it wouldn't have surprised anyone if they never came back. Remember, in the day most people thought that the earth was flat and would have assumed that he went off the edge.
An early Greek astronomer/geographer/geometer (Eratosthenes) long before estimated the circumference of the earth (by measuring the different shadow angle of vertical pillars in two different cities) at about 25,000 miles, and the educated people of the day, even knowing that the earth wasn't flat, just assumed that the journey was too long to be survivable. Because please remember that Columbus wasn't looking for the "new world", he was looking for a shorter route to the Orient. So if he and his successors never returned, the investors would have shrugged and simply assumed that for whatever reason the journey just wasn't doable, and simply not invested much more money into it. That might have delayed the invasion of the "New" World by a century or so.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Indians in South America used poisoned darts but you aren't thinking about the metal plate that the soldiers wore. A bone arrow head can go through plate but at its thinnest point. Poison dart only works when you hit an extremely vulnerable area of the body.
In North America proper you are talking about bows and arrows. Bone arrow heads.
True but people were just as curious then as they are now and someone else would have gotten the bright idea to sail the ocean blue looking for more trade routes.
Very true and it could have.
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What the fuck indeed is "pro-America? You define it.
I know my fucking history. This is what I'm talking about. Imagine a fucking
wall way back then. You would not have racism, because
a slave was considered less than (mainly due to economics and/or war). But that soon changed to skin color (again, a falsehood, because those with darker skin were considered less than due to economics and intelligence. But intelligence based on what?).
But that is false in and of itself. Would you survive in the jungles of the Amazon? Or in the Swiss Alps? without a guide. A local who "knows" the terrain? No. So where does your IQ fit in the environment? The Pilgrims is a perfect example. The natives helped them survive. They came because of what
exactly? Was it because they wanted to cruise the Atlantic for a new vacation spot?
Say it with me children! Religious persecution. They came to practice religious freedom and escape tyranny under King James. Was that a good enough reason to leave? Did the natives, as you call them, resistant to the arrival of the Europeans? Were they told "fuck you, keep out. You are here to steal
our land."
First, the natives did not believe in ownership of land, although they did live in tribal territories. But obviously they believed that they could share
with these strange people (a sentiment not shared by the right wing motherfuckers who think that this country is theirs, and theirs alone. "Come into the country legally, they say." They don't know the half of it.
What I'm emphasizing is the pure unadulterated hypocrisy. Pointing out the cruel and unusual punishment exacted by the Frump Admin. That's all!
By the way, I am well aware of the plight of the Native American, among others, so please don't try to lecture me on their treatment; then and now.
In case you're wondering...for me, pro-immigrant is pro-American. This is how this country was built, rightly or wrongly, and now, suddenly, motherfuckers want that to change. Why exactly!? The Native American were the first to lead the way in the American spirit. Share and share alike; the 'good neighbor' attitude so that all, the community, would benefit. What the European brought was greed and avarice. The "this is mine" attitude. The captains of industry and so forth.
That "open borders" bullshit is just that - BULLSHIT. It's a right wing tactic
brought to life by Frump and his cohort. Like he says, there are laws in the books that should be followed; just as in the Constitution. Let him follow that law, the one he swore to uphold as president. People are such sticklers
for the law until it doesn't coincide with their agenda...then "watchout!"
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SHINY, you're always looking that this from the perspective of the immigrant.
Yes, the fucking Europeans who first landed on Plymouth Rock should have stayed in England and been fucked by King George. You know what would have stopped those scheming bastards, a WALL.
But for once, look at this from the perspective of the native .... the REAL natives of the Americas- indigenous tribes of N, S, and Central America and the Caribbeans.
Are you saying that unrestricted immigration worked for THEM???? Because, the reality is that many of the original natives of the Americas welcomed the new immigrants. In N America they gave them corn and turkey and save them from starvation, they "helped" the new immigrants by learning THEIR language and intermarrying with THEIR people.
What happened to them?
IN REALITY, the natives should have shot the white invaders, and kept on shooting until there was nobody left to take word back to England.
As YOU said- you look at this from personal experience. YOU are pro-immigrant, and not necessarily pro-American. You paper over this contradiction by conflating "pro-immigrant" with "pro-America" by claiming immigration is what made AmericNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME