Robert Mueller's Day Off
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UPDATED: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 22:30
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It amuses me to no end that T's hero is the same person who did this.
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Quote:6ix, your problem is with Colin Powell, not Mueller. You are blaming Mueller for referencing Powell’s claim that Iraq had WMDs, a claim that Powell made before the U.N. just days before this video of Mueller. You are blaming the wrong guy, 6ix. Unfortunately, Congress never investigated Powell’s use of the intelligence he was given, so we don’t know many of the specifics. Even so, what did reach the public record in other ways is extremely damning. While the corporate media has never taken a close look at this record, we can go through Powell’s presentation line by line to demonstrate the chasm between what he knew and what he told the world. As you’ll see, there’s quite a lot to say about it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It amuses me to no end that T's hero is the same person who did this.
Public Certainty, Private Doubt
On that February 5 in front of the U.N. Security Council, was Colin Powell certain what he was saying was accurate? He certainly was:
POWELL: My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.
Later, regarding whether Iraq had reconstituted a nuclear weapons program, he said:
POWELL: There is no doubt in my mind …
That’s in public. What about in private? According to Larry Wilkerson, Powell’s chief of staff, here’s what Powell was thinking at the time:
WILKERSON: [Powell] had walked into my office musing and he said words to the effect of, ‘I wonder how we’ll all feel if we put half a million troops in Iraq and march from one end of the country to the other and find nothing.’
from "Lie After Lie: What Colin Powell Knew About Iraq 15 Years Ago and What He Told the U.N."
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-kn
ew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thanks for clearing that up.
So what Mueller did was not at all unlike what anybody watching CNN does when they repeat something that Rachel Maddow says with no evidence behind it other than the fact that she said it.
Now it all makes perfect sense.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Here's an example of what Mueller did and what Maddow fans have been doing the last two years:
I agree, Jimmy. It is quite funny.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Rachel Maddow makes more in one day than 50% of Americans make in an entire year.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Maybe for you, 6ix, but it's not similar enough for me. Rachel Maddow does not make life or death decisions nor does Maddow swear an oath that she knows the whole truth. She has a simpler task: don't deliberately create falsehoods inside her own head then sell her viewers on false "truth". She may say something that turns out not to be perfectly true, but that would be because she doesn't have the power to convict her staff and/or her sources of perjury and throw the liars into jail. Mueller has that power, but he does not have a daily show.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Thanks for clearing that up.
So what Mueller did was not at all unlike what anybody watching CNN does when they repeat something that Rachel Maddow says with no evidence behind it other than the fact that she said it.
Now it all makes perfect sense.
Powell’s loyalty to Bush extended to being willing to deceive the world: Robert Mueller, the United Nations, and the coalition troops about to be sent to kill and die in Iraq. He’s never been held accountable for his actions 15 years ago, and it’s extremely unlikely he ever will be.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Oh, so what you're saying is that Mueller DID have power and responsibility and carelessly lead the nation into war by not doing his due diligence 15 years ago.
No wonder he's taking 2 years to get it right this time instead of just listening to Maddow. It will be all the more heartbreaking for T when nothing comes of it. Woodward spent just as long looking for Russian collusion and didn't find any either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, what the hell are you talking about? Mueller already has sent people to jail. He hasn't sent Trump to jail because he never had the power. Only the Senate has that power, by removing Trump from office. Then Trump can go to jail for cheating on the inheritance taxes of his Father's estate, or laundering money for Russian mobsters, or paying women for adultery, or . . . . In retirement Trump will be in court for years defending himself. Because he is old and fat, he will probably die a free man long before he runs out of appeals to stay out of jail, unlike Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, who is on trial in Manhattan today.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh, so what you're saying is that Mueller DID have power and responsibility and carelessly lead the nation into war by not doing his due diligence 15 years ago.
No wonder he's taking 2 years to get it right this time instead of just listening to Maddow. It will be all the more heartbreaking for T when nothing comes of it. Woodward spent just as long looking for Russian collusion and didn't find any either.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-aides-factbox/factbox-peop
le-indicted-convicted-investigated-in-trump-russia-probe-idUSKCN1LU2BH
Mueller mentioned his responsibilities in that video. For one thing, Mueller's responsibility as head of the FBI was to track terrorists, but only the ones inside America, the ones who had WMDs hidden in their cars rented at the airport when they flew in from Baghdad with the WMDs. Those are the WMDs that Colin Powell said existed. But if Powell was lying then Powell was wasting Mueller's time defending America from nonexistent WMDs.
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Your support for GOP presidents doesn't surprise me at all since your'e just a NeoLiberal Capitalist yourself, cut from the same cloth. It's funny when the MSM does it though, and it's quite funny when the T's of the world mindlessly parrot them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Trump’s Exaggerated ‘Conflicts of Interest’ Claims
By Robert Farley, Lori Robertson and Eugene Kiely
Posted on December 7, 2018
In a flurry of tweets, President Donald Trump stretched the facts when he alleged that special counsel Robert Mueller and his staff have “many” conflicts of interests:
Trump falsely claimed that “the woman in charge of prosecuting [conservative author] Jerome Corsi” was “in charge of ‘legal’ at” the Clinton Foundation. Jeannie Rhee, a prosecutor on the Mueller team, worked as outside counsel on behalf of the Clinton Foundation on one case. She was not an employee of the foundation.
The president claimed that Mueller’s legal team — which he referred to as “17 Angry Democrats” — made “substantial & many contributions” to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign. Five team members — including one who has since left the investigation — gave a total of $8,800 to Clinton’s campaign.
Trump accused Mueller himself of “big time conflicts of interests.” But legal ethics experts we interviewed said the president’s arguments don’t hold up.
Trump made his accusations in a string of tweets on the morning of Dec. 7, the same day that Mueller was expected to file court papers in the Russia investigation regarding two of Trump’s former aides: former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and former Trump Organization Executive Vice President Michael Cohen.
Mueller’s office later detailed how Manafort allegedly violated the terms of his plea agreement. The government on Nov. 26 accused Manafort of “lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Special Counsel’s Office on a variety of subject matters.”
The special counsel’s office also filed a sentencing memo for Cohen, who has been cooperating with the government since pleading guilty on Aug. 21 to tax evasion charges related to his businesses and campaign finance violations related to the Trump campaign. (Cohen also pleaded guilty on Nov. 29 to lying to Congress about a real estate project that the Trump Organization pursued in 2015 and 2016, while Trump was running for president.)
Rhee Not ‘In Charge’ of Clinton Foundation’s Legal Department
In his first of five Mueller-related tweets in the span of an hour, Trump claimed that “the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi” was “in charge of ‘legal’ at the corrupt Clinton Foundation.” Not exactly.
Jeannie Rhee, a prosecutor on the Mueller team, worked as outside counsel on behalf of the Clinton Foundation on one case, a lawsuit against the nonprofit in 2015. The lawsuit was dismissed. Rhee was never “in charge of ‘legal'” at the Clinton Foundation, and has never been an employee there.
Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018
Corsi, a conservative author who was one of the chief proponents of the theory that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., said he rejected a plea deal recently offered by the Mueller team on one count of perjury related to his previous comments about contact with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. According to drafts of court documents obtained by NBC News, Mueller’s team obtained an email from Corsi to former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone, written two months before WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Clinton campaign, in which Corsi wrote, “Word is friend in embassy [Assange] plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I’m back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.”
Corsi said he and his attorney met with prosecutors Jeannie Rhee, Aaron Zelinsky and Andrew Goldstein, who alleged that that email contradicted his previous testimony that he had no advance knowledge about the theft of the emails or their pending publication. Corsi denies this.
Rhee, a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Departme
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Quote:Trump is cut from the same cloth as Nixon and his V.P. Spiro Agnew. They are tax cheaters.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your support for GOP presidents doesn't surprise me at all since you're just a NeoLiberal Capitalist yourself, cut from the same cloth. It's funny when the MSM does it though, and it's quite funny when the T's of the world mindlessly parrot them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nixon www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/f
8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument
Agnew
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-agnew-resigns
Trump
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-wealth-fred-trump.
html
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Quote:SECOND: Seriously???
Trump is cut from the same cloth as Nixon and his V.P. Spiro Agnew. They are tax cheaters.
So is Bill Clinton.
Quote:
"I Know Where All The Bodies Are Buried": Clinton Foundation CFO Spills Beans To Investigators
... Clinton Foundation CFO Andrew Kessel made the admissions to investigators from MDA Analytics LLC - a firm run by "accomplished ex-federal criminal investigators," who have been probing the Clinton Foundation for some time.
Kessel told MDA "There is no controlling Bill Clinton. He does whatever he wants and runs up incredible expenses with foundation funds", according to MDA's account of the interview. "Bill Clinton mixes and matches his personal business with that of the foundation. Many people within the foundation have tried to caution him about this but he does not listen, and there really is no talking to him."
MDA compiled Kessel's statements, as well as over 6,000 pages of evidence from a whistleblower they had been working with separately, which they secretly filed with the FBI and IRS over a year ago. MDA has alleged that the Clinton Foundation engaged in illegal activities, and may owe millions in unpaid taxes and penalties.
In addition to the IRS, the firm’s partners have had contact with prosecutors in the main Justice Department in Washington and FBI agents in Little Rock, Ark. And last week, a federal prosecutor suddenly asked for documents from their private investigation.
... Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has been under investigation by the IRS since July, 2016 according to a January report by the Dallas Observer - after 64 GOP members of congress received letters urging them to push for an investigation. The investigation is being handled by their Dallas office - far away from Washington insiders.
...MDA was specifically created to investigate 501c3 charities, and researched the Clinton Foundation at its own expense in the hope that the whistleblower submission they compiled might result in a government reward if the IRS was able to corroborate wrongdoing and recover tax dollars.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/i-know-where-all-bodies-are-
buried-clinton-foundation-cfo-spills-beans
Quote:
Feds received whistleblower evidence in 2017 alleging Clinton Foundation wrongdoing
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/420131-feds-received-whistlebl
ower-evidence-in-2017-alleging-clinton-foundation
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SECOND, I rarely read what you post anymore. You just keep spewing things onto the board no matter how untrue, irrelevant, or biased. Worse than being an idiot, you're tiresome.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So is Bill Clinton.
So funny, so telling - with all the sh*t hitting all the fans and splattering all over Trump and his cronies, that is what you have to contribute: "But Clinton!"
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Quote:So sorry for you, Signym. I read all your postings. But if you and Trump's Department of Justice know of crimes committed by Clintons, I expect the Dept to prosecute. It should have come to trial two years ago. What is Trump waiting for? Has the crime not yet been committed?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: Seriously???
So is Bill Clinton.
SECOND, I rarely read what you post anymore. You just keep spewing things onto the board no matter how untrue, irrelevant, or biased. Worse than being an idiot, you're tiresome.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:It should have come to trial FOUR years ago, under Obama. What was Obama waiting for?
I expect the Dept to prosecute. It should have come to trial two years ago.
In any case, I only posted a short synopsis, but if go to the link you'll find that this evidence has not only been turned over to the FBI, it's also been requested by Huber.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Ordinary prosecutors will NOT go to trial unless they can convince themselves that the Clintons are guilty.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It should have come to trial FOUR years ago, under Obama. What was Obama waiting for?
I expect the Dept to prosecute. It should have come to trial two years ago.
In any case, I only posted a short synopsis, but if go to the link you'll find that this evidence has not only been turned over to the FBI, it's also been requested by Huber.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
What Trump needs is a new class of prosecutors, call them Super-Clinton-Prosecutors, who don't care about guilt or evidence, prosecutors who will immediately go to trial based only on what Signym and Trump want. Or maybe go to trial on a whim? Or a hunch? Or a hope?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Yeah, just like Mueller! Who started investigating on a wing and a prayer and a jacked-up warrant based on a fabricated "dossier".
What Trump needs is a new class of prosecutors, call them Super-Clinton-Prosecutors, who don't care about guilt or evidence, prosecutors who will immediately go to trial based only on what Signym and Trump want. Or maybe go to trial on a whim? Or a hunch? Or a hope?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:A "wing and a prayer" does not truthfully describe Mueller’s mission, Signym. You know the history of the following document. Is there a similar document for the Clintons? Because until there is, I don't think Trump can command prosecutors to be prosecuting the Clintons.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yeah, just like Mueller! Who started investigating on a wing and a prayer and a jacked-up warrant based on a fabricated "dossier".
What Trump needs is a new class of prosecutors, call them Super-Clinton-Prosecutors, who don't care about guilt or evidence, prosecutors who will immediately go to trial based only on what Signym and Trump want. Or maybe go to trial on a whim? Or a hunch? Or a hope?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509,510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel.
Rod J. Rosenstein
Acting Attorney General
Date 5/17/17
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There is absolutely no evidence of "collusion" (or to put it in real legal terms, "conspiracy") between the Trump campaign and Russia in order to throw the election. Absolutely nothing. Mueller is now trying to scare up some sort of connection between peripheral Trump campaign members (Stone and Corsi) and Assange, and between Assange and Russia, which is his last Hail Mary at linking anything to anything and it will prove to be a dry hole.
Everything else that he's scared up is just his attempt to pressure people over peripheral matters.
There IS, however, very real evidence that Hillary Clinton ran a private server which handled policy matters, and then deleted the emails that SHE said were "private" ... AFTER she was subpoenaed for them. And that the FBI did everything in its power to botch the investigation and put copies of those emails permanently out of reach. Also, very real evidence that Hillary had even MORE connections to "Russia" than Trump (Uranium One).
Stick with important facts, SECOND, and stop confusing yourself.
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I'm surprised that you haven't picked up on my criticism of Trump.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62838
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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You know what. You trolls can bitch all you want to about Mueller, Tough shit. Clinton, Obama, Comey have zero legal concerns despite all your years of bitching about them here. Despite all the Benghazi bullshit. People who live in reality know why that is. Not that there is not a lot about them to bitch about, there is, but because the law disagrees with all the fake bullshit about them you guys read in losers digest.
Now, Mueller is kicking Trump and his cronies asses. Destroying them actually. How, he is going by the book. Nothing so far has been shown to be wrong in any of the indictments to date. Again, don't like it, tough shit.
Do me a favor, keep bitching about Clinton and the others. It proves you're all sick about it, and are ready to believe they are going to run afoul of the justice department and wind up being indicted themselves. Not gonna happen.
Oh yeah, do I even need to mention another, a Russian plead guilty yesterday? Boy that Mueller, you gotta hand it to him. Every time he shakes a tree a Russian falls out.
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Quote:Signym, perhaps you are unaware of today's news? From the Voice of America:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is absolutely no evidence of "collusion" (or to put it in real legal terms, "conspiracy") between the Trump campaign and Russia in order to throw the election. Absolutely nothing.
Stick with important facts, SECOND, and stop confusing yourself.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Mueller Probe Points to Numerous Links Between Trump Associates, Russia
www.voanews.com/a/mueller-probe-points-to-numerous-links-between-trump
-associates-and-russia-/4695494.html
VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media, the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress.
From the Washington Post:
Russians interacted with at least 14 Trump associates during the campaign and transition
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/russians-interacted-with-at-least-14-t
rump-associates-during-the-campaign-and-transition/2018/12/09/71773192-fb13-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html
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OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is?
Since when are "interactions" illegal?
Every "interaction" that I've been aware of has either been (1) part of the normal transition process, or (2) completely divorced from the campaign or (3) exaggerated beyond any meaningful connection (A Trump "associate" met with someone who was reputed to have contacts with someone who was reputed to have contacts with the Kremlin). It's bullshit, SECOND. Even the article that you linked said it was bullshit:
Quote:
he has not yet shown that any of the dozens of interactions between people in Trump’s orbit and Russians resulted in any specific coordination between his presidential campaign and Russia.
And they probably never will.
But you, WaPo, NYT, CNN and MSNBC have been spewing bullshit since whenever. And the more and more that "they" flog this crap into the air, the more and more I think that there's no "there" there. If/when Mueller comes up with something MEANINGFUL, let me know.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is?
Funny Signym - If they’re so meaningless why did they all lie about them happening???
“No collusion” - how would you know? Of course you don’t - just another weak, desperate Sig lie.
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Quote:Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you?
OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is? - SIGNY
Funny Signym - If they’re so meaningless why did they all lie about them happening???-
Quote:
“No collusion” - how would you know? Of course you don’t - just another weak, desperate Sig lie.- GSTRING
As i posted...
Quote:
And the more and more that "they" flog this crap into the air, the more and more I think that there's no "there" there
This is what the investigation reminds me of
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Quote:Trolls are such racists.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So is Bill Clinton.
So funny, so telling - with all the sh*t hitting all the fans and splattering all over Trump and his cronies, that is what you have to contribute: "But Clinton!"
"Only my people are allowed to perpetrate Crime rampages without penalty" while we conduct Witch Hunt Fishing Expeditions against our innocent Law-Abiding adversaries.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you?
OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is? - SIGNY
Funny Signym - If they’re so meaningless why did they all lie about them happening???-Quote:
“No collusion” - how would you know? Of course you don’t - just another weak, desperate Sig lie.- GSTRING
As i posted...Quote:
And the more and more that "they" flog this crap into the air, the more and more I think that there's no "there" there
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Why did they lie about their multiple contacts with Russia? 16 people associated with the Trump campaign. Why did they LIE? Not: what do you think msm is doing with those facts. Why did they lie?
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Quote:Signym, does "meaningful" plus "interactions" include Trump taking money from Russian mobsters?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is?
Since when are "interactions" illegal?
But you, WaPo, NYT, CNN and MSNBC have been spewing bullshit since whenever. And the more and more that "they" flog this crap into the air, the more and more I think that there's no "there" there. If/when Mueller comes up with something MEANINGFUL, let me know.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
An entire book has been written from publicly available information about the hundreds of millions of dollars Trump has laundered for Russians. No GOP Senators are interested, none have read the book, so it’s probably only a mid-level item for Mueller’s checklist of things to do before Trump shuts down the Special Counsel. Maybe you would be interested?
House of Trump, House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia
www.amazon.com/House-Trump-Putin-Untold-Russian/dp/152474350X/
https://torrentz2.eu/e994e462f5450a710764b1da49259297f1cf8d68
This book tells the story of one of the greatest intelligence operations in history, an undertaking decades in the making, through which the Russian Mafia and Russian intelligence operatives successfully targeted, compromised, and implanted either a willfully ignorant or an inexplicably unaware Russian asset in the White House as the most powerful man on earth.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you?
OH DEAR!!!
"INTERACTIONS!"
Do you have any idea how meaningless that is? - SIGNY
Funny Signym - If they’re so meaningless why did they all lie about them happening???-Quote:
“No collusion” - how would you know? Of course you don’t - just another weak, desperate Sig lie.- GSTRING
As i posted...Quote:
And the more and more that "they" flog this crap into the air, the more and more I think that there's no "there" there
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Why did they lie about their multiple contacts with Russia? 16 people associated with the Trump campaign. Why did they LIE? Not: what do you think msm is doing with those facts. Why did they lie?
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And G if you go all the way back. Why did sig kiki and others here say those contacts never happened. Despite all the evidence. Shit G, we've gone from absolute zero of any wrong doing by Trump and his cronies, to all the indictments and and guilty pleas so far. Still they cry foul and try to minimize a mountain into a mole hill.
Trolls G, nothing but trolls. I mean shit, with all that's gone down these guys think Mueller is the bad guy. How sick is that?
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Quote:WHAT does this have to do with the Mueller "investigation"? I thought that he was supposed to be investigating Russian attempts to subvert our vote and possible conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin in order for Trump to win the vote?
Signym, does "meaningful" plus "interactions" include Trump taking money from Russian mobsters?
An entire book has been written from publicly available information about the hundreds of millions of dollars Trump has laundered for Russians. No GOP Senators are interested, none have read the book, so it’s probably only a mid-level item for Mueller’s checklist of things to do before Trump shuts down the Special Counsel. Maybe you would be interested?
If you were in high-end real estate in NYC when the mobsters took over Russia (at our instigation) you would have probably dealt with some laundered money. Mobsters often bought real estate thru LLCs and other shell companies. It's like the London (Saudi) and Vancouver/ Sydney (Chinese) real estate markets now. Not nice, not ethical, and possibly illegal ... but nothing to do with conspiracy.
You're a nutcase.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:I already answered that question. Maybe reading comprehension is not your strong suit?
Why did they lie about their multiple contacts with Russia?- GSTRING
Quote:Quote:
Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you?
Just so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle: This is what Mueller's investigation reminds me of
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I can see Mueller using "process" crimes and unrelated charges to squeeze people for information. I'm not sure how ethical that is .... there's a difference between "building a case" and concocting one whole cloth ... but I'll leave it to the legal experts to tell me whether or not he's crossed any ethical lines.
But when he goes off trying to connect Corsi and Stone to Assange and then Assange to Russia ... or the M$M flings poop into the air to make things seem like more than they are ... well, that sounds like an investigation imploding to me.
It's pointless to continue because there's nothing to discuss. When/if there's something to discuss, I'll continue.
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Quote:Signym, you would not to do well as a lawyer because you keep narrowing down Mueller's authorization to what you and Trump "feel" it should be rather than what Rod J. Rosenstein, Acting Attorney General, authorized. Because Rosenstein is in charge today, he can do as he wants without asking for Signym's or Trump's permission to expand the investigation.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:WHAT does this have to do with the Mueller "investigation"? I thought that he was supposed to be investigating Russian attempts to subvert our vote and possible conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin in order for Trump to win the vote?
Signym, does "meaningful" plus "interactions" include Trump taking money from Russian mobsters?
An entire book has been written from publicly available information about the hundreds of millions of dollars Trump has laundered for Russians. No GOP Senators are interested, none have read the book, so it’s probably only a mid-level item for Mueller’s checklist of things to do before Trump shuts down the Special Counsel. Maybe you would be interested?
If you were in high-end real estate in NYC when the mobsters took over Russia (at our instigation) you would have probably dealt with some laundered money. Mobsters often bought real estate thru LLCs and other shell companies. It's like the London (Saudi) and Vancouver/ Sydney (Chinese) real estate markets now. Not nice, not ethical, and possibly illegal ... but nothing to do with conspiracy.
You're a nutcase.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Rosenstein authorized on May 17, 2017: "to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Special Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
To repeat for Signym and Trump: Rosenstein can do as he goddamn well pleases without asking for more authorization from the suspect, Trump, he and Mueller are investigating. What keeps Rosenstein from harassing poor, innocent Trump? Rosenstein could be prosecuted by the Justice Dept, same as Citizen Trump, if Rosenstein goes to excess.
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And that sig is a smack down. Now, enough of this tread of bullshit. Go to countdown and get the facts.
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To repeat for Signym and Trump: Rosenstein can do as he goddamn well pleases without asking for more authorization from the suspect
Oh, so you agree that this whole thing isn't about Russia after all? You agree that it's a witch hunt?
Well, I always thought so too! So please tell that to THUGR, GSTRING, and JO who're convinced beyond reason that Trump has some deep dark connection to Putin and was only elected because Putin wanted him to sell out the USA.
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Quote:I was thinking the same thing. Mueller very carefully does the old one-two shuffle of responsibility off to his 'sources'. And the CIA and DIA shuffled their responsibilities off to 'yellowcake' MI6.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Thanks for clearing that up.
So what Mueller did was not at all unlike what anybody watching CNN does when they repeat something that Rachel Maddow says with no evidence behind it other than the fact that she said it.
Now it all makes perfect sense.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Even THUGGER's own post "URGENT! PRESIDENT TRUMP BREAKING NEWS TODAY With Katy DEC 10, 2018" flogged by NBC shows there is no 'there' there.
http://w ww. youtube.com/watch ?v=VapBcctXQcU (edited to be readable but not load)
14:51
So Bill, is there a breaking point for some Republican lawmakers?
14:55
I talked to one Senator who said there would be IF MULLER WERE TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF AN ACTUAL CONSPIRACY BETWEEN TRUMP AND THE RUSSIANS, if they were to document collusion for example ...
They wasted 48 minutes of my life fluffing and primping each other's .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. wet dream and pretending this one critical point didn't exist.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I already answered the question.
Why did they lie about their multiple contacts with Russia?- GSTRING
No, you didn’t. You did the equivalent of what that hippo did, which is what you pretty much always do.
Do you know what Mueller knows? No? Then why do you act like you do? (Get ready for another Siggy sh@t storm!).
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It's totally beyond all comprehension T, how these wackos can call Mueller anything but a hero. He's a fucking decorated Marine who fought in the shit in Vietnam. A Marine officer who saved lives and is now doing yeoman's work for our country, the Real America, kicking ass and taking names.
Not once have you heard a peep out of him or his office. I love that shit, nobody can get to him. I really do hope that he nails all their asses to the wall.
These bitches have to bitch about something, but they have nothing to go on.
Mueller is going to get the Freedom Medal for kicking ass, above and beyond the call of duty and nailing these scumbags but good.
SGG
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Originally posted by THG:
You know what. You trolls can bitch all you want to about Mueller, Tough shit. Clinton, Obama, Comey have zero legal concerns despite all your years of bitching about them here. Despite all the Benghazi bullshit. People who live in reality know why that is. Not that there is not a lot about them to bitch about, there is, but because the law disagrees with all the fake bullshit about them you guys read in losers digest.
Now, Mueller is kicking Trump and his cronies asses. Destroying them actually. How, he is going by the book. Nothing so far has been shown to be wrong in any of the indictments to date. Again, don't like it, tough shit.
Do me a favor, keep bitching about Clinton and the others. It proves you're all sick about it, and are ready to believe they are going to run afoul of the justice department and wind up being indicted themselves. Not gonna happen.
Oh yeah, do I even need to mention another, a Russian plead guilty yesterday? Boy that Mueller, you gotta hand it to him. Every time he shakes a tree a Russian falls out.
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Trolls SGG. Sig just posted again the Mueller investigation has nothing to do with Russia with kiki agreeing. Imagine the logic behind that statement. Mueller has indicted what, 23 Russians with another pleading guilty just two days ago. Only a troll SGG would suggest this has nothing to do with Russia.
Lets not forget Jack the creator of this thread. Only the trolls and morons who believe conspiracies post for Trump here. We all know Jack is a moron, and you'd be hard pressed to prove he isn't a troll.
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It's totally beyond all comprehension T, how these wackos can call Mueller anything but a hero. He's a fucking decorated Marine who fought in the shit in Vietnam. A Marine officer who saved lives and is now doing yeoman's work for our country, the Real America, kicking ass and taking names.
Not once have you heard a peep out of him or his office. I love that shit, nobody can get to him. I really do hope that he nails all their asses to the wall.
These bitches have to bitch about something, but they have nothing to go on.
Mueller is going to get the Freedom Medal for kicking ass, above and beyond the call of duty and nailing these scumbags but good.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by THG:
You know what. You trolls can bitch all you want to about Mueller, Tough shit. Clinton, Obama, Comey have zero legal concerns despite all your years of bitching about them here. Despite all the Benghazi bullshit. People who live in reality know why that is. Not that there is not a lot about them to bitch about, there is, but because the law disagrees with all the fake bullshit about them you guys read in losers digest.
Now, Mueller is kicking Trump and his cronies asses. Destroying them actually. How, he is going by the book. Nothing so far has been shown to be wrong in any of the indictments to date. Again, don't like it, tough shit.
Do me a favor, keep bitching about Clinton and the others. It proves you're all sick about it, and are ready to believe they are going to run afoul of the justice department and wind up being indicted themselves. Not gonna happen.
Oh yeah, do I even need to mention another, a Russian plead guilty yesterday? Boy that Mueller, you gotta hand it to him. Every time he shakes a tree a Russian falls out.
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The Democrats I once knew never would have called Mueller or McCain a hero.
It's actually kind of scary the mass hypnosis that seems to have evolved over the last decade and a half.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Indeed. The Democrats I KNEW were mostly vehemently anti-war.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Democrats I once knew never would have called Mueller or McCain a hero.
It's actually kind of scary the mass hypnosis that seems to have evolved over the last decade and a half.
Now they all seem to swoon at the feet of anyone whoever killed a gook/towelhead in an unjustified foreign war.
Right, SHINY? Let's kill some foreigners for no reason whatsoever? That'll make us heroes?
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But, in addition, Mueller (and Comey), under public pressure, once pinned an innocent man (Hatfill) with the anthrax letters.
That was ANOTHER investigation for which there was NO EVIDENCE TO CONVICT ...
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In truth, Hatfill was an implausible suspect from the outset. He was a virologist who never handled anthrax, which is a bacterium. (Ivins, by contrast, shared ownership of anthrax patents, was diagnosed as having paranoid personality disorder, and had a habit of stalking and threatening people with anonymous letters – including the woman who provided the long-ignored tip to the FBI).
So what evidence did the FBI have against Hatfill? There was none, so the agency did a Hail Mary, importing two bloodhounds from California whose handlers claimed could sniff the scent of the killer on the anthrax-tainted letters. These dogs were shown to Hatfill, who promptly petted them. When the dogs responded favorably, their handlers told the FBI that they’d “alerted” on Hatfill and that he must be the killer.
You’d think that any good FBI agent would have kicked these quacks in the fanny and found their dogs a good home. Or at least checked news accounts of criminal cases in California where these same dogs had been used against defendants who’d been convicted -- and later exonerated. As Pulitzer Prize-winning Los Angeles Times investigative reporter David Willman detailed in his authoritative book on the case, a California judge who’d tossed out a murder conviction based on these sketchy canines called the prosecution’s dog handler “as biased as any witness that this court has ever seen.”
Instead, Mueller, who micromanaged the anthrax case and fell in love with the dubious dog evidence, personally assured Ashcroft and presumably George W. Bush that in Steven Hatfill the bureau had its man. Comey, in turn, was asked by a skeptical Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz if Hatfill was another Richard Jewell – the security guard wrongly accused of the Atlanta Olympics bombing. Comey replied that he was “absolutely certain” they weren’t making a mistake.
Such certitude seems to be Comey’s default position in his professional life. Mueller didn’t exactly distinguish himself with contrition, either. In 2008, after Ivins committed suicide as he was about to be apprehended for his crimes, and the Justice Department had formally exonerated Hatfill – and paid him $5.82 million in a legal settlement – Mueller could not be bothered to walk across the street to attend the press conference announcing the case’s resolution. When reporters did ask him about it, Mueller was graceless. “I do not apologize for any aspect of the investigation,” he said, adding that it would be erroneous “to say there were mistakes
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/05/21/when_comey_and_m
ueller_bungled_the_anthrax_case_133953.html#!
But that's what happens when you approach an investigation looking for evidence of guilt, instead of looking for the truth.
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Quote:You're so ready to call me a "liar" you haven't even bothered to figure out my answer. Go re-read it and then come back and tell me where you made your mistake.
No, you didn’t. You did the equivalent of what that hippo did, which is what you pretty much always do. Do you know what Mueller knows? No? Then why do you act like you do? (Get ready for another- GSTRING
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Hello, I represent sig kiki jsf and jacks bullshit. My appearance matches my remarks. That's because I am a troll. However, as Trump has said, don't believe what you see, believe what I tell you. So ,you should forget the facts that continue to show me as I am, and believe me instead.
What do you say? If you put something into my cup you will go home to find a brand new car in your driveway. 
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Quote:Posting drunk?
Hello, I represent [sic] sig kiki jsf and jacks bullshit.
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Quote:If the Mueller report turns Trump into the moral equivalent of a Jap baby in Hiroshima, the public would be willing to nuke him.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Indeed. The Democrats I KNEW were mostly vehemently anti-war.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Democrats I once knew never would have called Mueller or McCain a hero.
It's actually kind of scary the mass hypnosis that seems to have evolved over the last decade and a half.
Now they all seem to swoon at the feet of anyone whoever killed a gook/towelhead in an unjustified foreign war.
Right, SHINY? Let's kill some foreigners for no reason whatsoever? That'll make us heroes?
More and more Americans question the Hiroshima bombing. But would they do it again? Maybe.
In the first Gallup poll from 1945 just after the bombings, a huge 85 percent of Americans approved the bombings. However, figures from 2005 show a significant decline to 57 percent. Meanwhile, another poll conducted by the Detroit Free Press in the United States and Japan in 1991 found that 63 percent of Americans thought that the bombings were justified in a bid to end the war, while just 29 percent of Japanese did. Probably just 29 percent of Republicans will think bombing Trump is justified.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/10/in-japan-and-amer
ica-more-and-more-people-think-hiroshima-bombing-was-wrong/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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One day in the summer of 1969, a young Marine lieutenant named Bob Mueller arrived in Hawaii for a rendezvous with his wife, Ann. She was flying in from the East Coast with the couple’s infant daughter, Cynthia, a child Mueller had never met. Mueller had taken a plane from Vietnam.
After nine months at war, he was finally due for a few short days of R&R outside the battle zone. Mueller had seen intense combat since he last said goodbye to his wife. He’d received the Bronze Star with a distinction for valor for his actions in one battle, and he’d been airlifted out of the jungle during another firefight after being shot in the thigh. He and Ann had spoken only twice since he’d left for South Vietnam.
Despite all that, Mueller confessed to her in Hawaii that he was thinking of extending his deployment for another six months, and maybe even making a career in the Marines.
Ann was understandably ill at ease about the prospect. But as it turned out, she wouldn’t be a Marine wife for much longer. It was standard practice for Marines to be rotated out of combat, and later that year Mueller found himself assigned to a desk job at Marine headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. There he discovered something about himself: “I didn’t relish the US Marine Corps absent combat.”
More at www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-vietnam/
The way Trump shoots his mouth off about Mueller is much the same as the Viet Cong shooting at Mueller. He will shoot back accurately and in cold blood. Unlike Trump, Mueller won't miss.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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But... but... CLINTON!
LOL! You trolls are so funny. Keep me giggling, comrades!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You're so ready to call me a "liar" you haven't even bothered to figure out my answer. Go re-read it and then come back and tell me where you made
No, you didn’t. You did the equivalent of what that hippo did, which is what you pretty much always do. Do you know what Mueller knows? No? Then why do you act like you do? (Get ready for another- GSTRING
Here’s an idea, let’s all read it together and see if you answered, “why did they lie?”
“Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you? “
They lied because the msm can make them look bad? Hippo sh@t much?
Why did they lie? Come on smartie, too hard? Why can’t you answer that?
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How the hell would I know why they lied? How the hell would YOU???
Motives are a hard thing to pin down. Remember the endless arguments about whether George Bush was a liar or just really really stupid? People quite often don't even know THEIR OWN motives.
One possible motive is that because idiots were making such a big fuss about RUSSIA!!!!, people were eager to minimize ANY connection with Russia, no matter how innocent or irrelevant or normal. I've said quite often, for example, that Flynn's REAL big problem was explaining the half-million dollars that Turkey gave to a company that he was working for; plus the discussions that he had about kidnapping Gulen from PA to Turkey. If Flynn was working as an "unregistered foreign agent" for ANY nation, it was Turkey. That itself could have been the leverage that caused him to plead guilty to the relatively minor "process crime" of lying that he (*gasp!!*) spoke to a Russian!.
Those "negotiations" for Trump hotel in Moscow?? Cohen had SUCH an "in" with the Kremlin he had to email to a general email address that anyone could pull off the internet???
If you look in detail at all of these contacts, they seem to evaporate into ... nothing that had any effect on the election.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You're so ready to call me a "liar" you haven't even bothered to figure out my answer. Go re-read it and then come back and tell me where you made
No, you didn’t. You did the equivalent of what that hippo did, which is what you pretty much always do. Do you know what Mueller knows? No? Then why do you act like you do? (Get ready for another- GSTRING
Here’s an idea, let’s all read it together and see if you answered, “why did they lie?”
“Because it can be made to look bad to stupid people like you? Because our politics is in permanent "silly season" because of people like you? “
They lied because the msm can make them look bad? Hippo sh@t much?
Why did they lie? Come on smartie, too hard? Why can’t you answer that?
Here's a question G. Why isn't their lying a problem for Sig? Or for any of her cronies for that matter. Years of feigned outrage against others for lesser offenses and yet nothing now.
I keep saying this now to the point of it being superfluous, but we know the reason. Sig is a troll. And so are her cronies.
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Quote:"Lesser offenses" like ...?
Why isn't their lying a problem for Sig? Or for any of her cronies for that matter. Years of feigned outrage against others for lesser offenses ...
Lying the nation into war? Shredding the Constitution? Selling out the American manufacturing economy? Running up the deficit beyond comprehension? Giving up our borders and our sovereignty to the globalists? Killing millions of people? Putting our nation's wealth on a conveyor to the elite?
What "lesser crimes" might you be referring to, THUGR?
Oh BTW... I'll bet you NEVER answer that question! Man, that would be an easy $1000 to make.
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Quote:Picking two that can easily be blamed on Trump and the GOP:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:"Lesser offenses" like ...?
Why isn't their lying a problem for Sig? Or for any of her cronies for that matter. Years of feigned outrage against others for lesser offenses ...
Lying the nation into war? Shredding the Constitution? Selling out the American manufacturing economy? Running up the deficit beyond comprehension? Giving up our borders and our sovereignty to the globalists? Killing millions of people? Putting our nation's wealth on a conveyor to the elite?
1) "Running up the deficit beyond comprehension?"
House Speaker Paul Ryan’s legacy can be summed up in just one number: $343 billion.
That’s the increase between the deficit for fiscal year 2015 and fiscal year 2018 — that is, the difference between the fiscal year before Ryan became speaker of the House and the fiscal year in which he retired.
If the economy had fallen into recession between 2015 and 2018, Ryan’s record would be understandable. But it didn’t. In fact, growth quickened and the labor market tightened — which means deficits should’ve fallen. Indeed, that’s exactly what happened in each of the five years preceding Ryan’s speakership; from 2011 to 2015, annual deficits fell each year.
Ryan says that debt reduction is one of those things “I wish we could have gotten done.” Ryan, the man with the single most power over the federal budget in recent years, sounds like a bystander, as if he watched laws happen rather than made them happen.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/10/17929460/paul-ryan-speaker-
retiring-debt-deficits-trump
2) "Putting our nation's wealth on a conveyor to the elite?"
The IRS was gutted by Republicans who didn’t like having their rich friends audited all the time. This GOP war against the IRS has been going on since the mid-90s, when Republicans first started describing IRS agents as jackbooted thugs knocking down doors at midnight and scaring the women and children. But in 2010 Republicans won control of the House. Finally they could really do something to help their donors. And they did.
More at www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted
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Oh gee, that's awfully sweet of you to answer for THUGR, especially because I know HE'LL NEVER ANSWER IT HIMSELF.
If I had $1 for every question that THUGR and GSTRING never answer I'd be ... well, not rich, but I'd have enough to buy someone a decent Xmas gift!
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Is anybody wondering if second is capable of telling a truth for once?
Quote:Before Obama, the worst Federal Deficit in history: $594.7 Billion, FY2004.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Picking two that can easily be blamed on Trump and the GOP:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:"Lesser offenses" like ...?
Why isn't their lying a problem for Sig? Or for any of her cronies for that matter. Years of feigned outrage against others for lesser offenses ...
Lying the nation into war? Shredding the Constitution? Selling out the American manufacturing economy? Running up the deficit beyond comprehension? Giving up our borders and our sovereignty to the globalists? Killing millions of people? Putting our nation's wealth on a conveyor to the elite?
1) "Running up the deficit beyond comprehension?"
House Speaker Paul Ryan’s legacy can be summed up in just one number: $343 billion.
That’s the increase between the deficit for fiscal year 2015 and fiscal year 2018 — that is, the difference between the fiscal year before Ryan became speaker of the House and the fiscal year in which he retired.
If the economy had fallen into recession between 2015 and 2018, Ryan’s record would be understandable. But it didn’t. In fact, growth quickened and the labor market tightened — which means deficits should’ve fallen. Indeed, that’s exactly what happened in each of the five years preceding Ryan’s speakership; from 2011 to 2015, annual deficits fell each year.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/10/17929460/paul-ryan-speaker-
retiring-debt-deficits-trump
Federal Deficit 2010: $1.6529 Trillion.
Federal Deficit 2011: $1.2354 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still double the last reasonable Deficit.
Federal Deficit 2012: $1.2867 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2013: $0.6685 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still far beyond the worst non-Obama Budget.
Federal Deficit 2014: $1.0751 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2015: $0.3255 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Both House and Senate became GoP controlled following 2014 Election.
And then
Federal Deficit 2016: $1.4194 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan.
Federal Deficit 2017: $0.6662 Trillion. First Speaker Ryan Budget.
Approximate Federal Deficit 2018: $779 Billion.
These are Fiscal Years.
Paul Ryan became House Speaker on 29 October 2015.
This was already a month into FY2016.
So FY2017 was the very first Federal Budget which Ryan could craft, plan, draft, and negotiate Spending and Revenue Legislation to curb the runaway Federal Deficit.
So the accurate number is $753.2 Billion. The amount he REDUCED the Federal Deficit, first time out of the gate.
Adhering to his historical practice, the Truthometer reading on second is far into the negatives.
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Quote:JewelStaiteFan, you got it all wrong because you listed the debt, but you should have listed the deficit. Two different words, two different meanings.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is anybody wondering if second is capable of telling a truth for once?
Before Obama, the worst Federal Deficit in history: $594.7 Billion, FY2004.
Federal Deficit 2010: $1.6529 Trillion.
Federal Deficit 2011: $1.2354 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still double the last reasonable Deficit.
Federal Deficit 2012: $1.2867 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2013: $0.6685 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still far beyond the worst non-Obama Budget.
Federal Deficit 2014: $1.0751 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2015: $0.3255 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Both House and Senate became GoP controlled following 2014 Election.
And then
Federal Deficit 2016: $1.4194 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan.
Federal Deficit 2017: $0.6662 Trillion. First Speaker Ryan Budget.
These are Fiscal Years.
Paul Ryan became House Speaker on 29 October 2015.
This was already a month into FY2016.
So FY2017 was the very first Federal Budget which Ryan could craft, plan, draft, and negotiate Spending and Revenue Legislation to curb the runaway Federal Deficit.
So the accurate number is $753.2 Billion. The amount he REDUCED the Federal Deficit, first time out of the gate.
Those two numbers, deficit and debt, differ by hundreds of billions for the year.
But why am I bothering to explain the difference deficit and debt? Go to the table in billions of dollars at www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
Deficit vs Debt
2007 $161 $501 1.1% Iraq War cost.
2008 $459 $1,017 3.1% Bank bailout. QE.
2009 $1,413 $1,632 9.8% Stimulus Act.
2010 $1,294 $1,905 8.6% Obama tax cuts. ACA. Simpson-Bowles.
2011 $1,300 $1,229 8.3% Debt crisis.
2012 $1,087 $1,276 6.7% Fiscal cliff.
2013 $679 $672 4.0% Sequester. Government shutdown.
2014 $485 $1,086 2.7% Debt ceiling.
2015 $438 $327 2.4% Defense = $736.4 b.
2016 $585 $1,423 3.1% Defense = $767.3 b.
2017 $665 $672 3.4% Defense = $812.3 b.
2018 (est) $833 $1,271 4.0% Defense = $824.7 b.
2019 (est) $984 $1,187
What is the difference between deficit and debt? It's like owing an auto mechanic $500 and getting a payday loan for $2,500. Your deficit is $500, but your debt is $2,500. The $500 deficit is tied to your problem of spending more than your income. The $2,500 is tied to how good you are at swindling the payday loan place.
Try www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html for another explanation.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:JewelStaiteFan, you got it all wrong because you listed the debt, but you should have listed the deficit. Two different words, two different meanings.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is anybody wondering if second is capable of telling a truth for once?
Before Obama, the worst Federal Deficit in history: $594.7 Billion, FY2004.
Federal Deficit 2010: $1.6529 Trillion.
Federal Deficit 2011: $1.2354 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still double the last reasonable Deficit.
Federal Deficit 2012: $1.2867 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2013: $0.6685 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still far beyond the worst non-Obama Budget.
Federal Deficit 2014: $1.0751 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2015: $0.3255 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Both House and Senate became GoP controlled following 2014 Election.
And then
Federal Deficit 2016: $1.4194 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan.
Federal Deficit 2017: $0.6662 Trillion. First Speaker Ryan Budget.
These are Fiscal Years.
Paul Ryan became House Speaker on 29 October 2015.
This was already a month into FY2016.
So FY2017 was the very first Federal Budget which Ryan could craft, plan, draft, and negotiate Spending and Revenue Legislation to curb the runaway Federal Deficit.
So the accurate number is $753.2 Billion. The amount he REDUCED the Federal Deficit, first time out of the gate.
Those two numbers, deficit and debt, differ by hundreds of billions for the year.
But why am I bothering to explain the difference deficit and debt? Go to the table in billions of dollars at www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
Deficit vs Debt
2007 $161 $501 1.1% Iraq War cost.
2008 $459 $1,017 3.1% Bank bailout. QE.
2009 $1,413 $1,632 9.8% Stimulus Act.
2010 $1,294 $1,905 8.6% Obama tax cuts. ACA. Simpson-Bowles.
2011 $1,300 $1,229 8.3% Debt crisis.
2012 $1,087 $1,276 6.7% Fiscal cliff.
2013 $679 $672 4.0% Sequester. Government shutdown.
2014 $485 $1,086 2.7% Debt ceiling.
2015 $438 $327 2.4% Defense = $736.4 b.
2016 $585 $1,423 3.1% Defense = $767.3 b.
2017 $665 $672 3.4% Defense = $812.3 b.
2018 (est) $833 $1,271 4.0% Defense = $824.7 b.
2019 (est) $984 $1,187
What is the difference between deficit and debt? It's like owing an auto mechanic $500 and getting a payday loan for $2,500. Your deficit is $500, but your debt is $2,500. The $500 deficit is tied to your problem of spending more than your income. The $2,500 is tied to how good you are at swindling the payday loan place.
Try www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html for another explanation.
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Wrong.
https://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-nationa
l-debt-.htm
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:SECOND, he DID list the deficit. The deficit runs roughly between a half-trillion to a trillion-and-a-half dollars per year. The debt [which is the accumulated unpaid deficits of previous years] is somewhere in the realm of $21-22 trillion now.
JewelStaiteFan, you got it all wrong because you listed the debt, but you should have listed the deficit. Two different words, two different meanings. - SECOND
Obama ran up ginormous deficits. Yes, I know it was because of the Financial Lockup of 2008. But then he went on to bless even more and more deficits. He DID sign the spending plans, did he not?
Dems same as Repubs: They don't mind spending money on stuff they like.
What's your point?
*****
In any case, my point wasn't the Federal deficit (altho that too is a problem) but the policies of The Fed ... a PRIVATE banking institution which backstops the big banks, sets monetary (not fiscal) policy and which lends the gubmint money. The only group which has benefited from The Fed's "buying up toxic assets" are the banks (not home owners), and the other group which benefited from the Fed's 0 pct interest rates are the stock/ real estate/hedge fund speculators not the credit-card/ car loan/ payday-lending borrowers. The Fed should either be killed or wrangled to the ground,
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Quote:From the Federal Reserve, I can see perfectly well that JewelStaiteFan has mixed up deficit with debt.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wrong.
https://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-nationa
l-debt-.htm
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=mpKQ
The Federal government had a surplus from 1998 thru 2001, but it still borrowed money.
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SECOND
Federal deficit v debt (definition)
Quote:https://www.investopedia.com/updates/usa-national-debt/
National Debt vs. Budget Deficits
First, it's important to understand what the difference is between the federal government's annual budget deficit (or fiscal deficit) and the outstanding federal debt (or the national public debt, the official accounting term). Simply explained, the federal government generates a budget deficit whenever it spends more money than it brings in through income-generating activities such as individual, corporate or excise taxes. In order to operate in this manner, the Treasury Department has to issue treasury bills, treasury notes and treasury bonds to compensate for the difference: financing its deficit by borrowing from the public (which includes both domestic and foreign investors, as well as corporations and other governments), in other words. By issuing these types of securities, the federal government can acquire the cash that it needs to provide governmental services. The federal or national debt is simply the net accumulation of the federal government's annual budget deficits: It is the total amount of money that the U.S. federal government owes to its creditors.
We can see the difference by simply looking at the amounts:
The Federal DEFICIT has been running in the half to one-and-a-half trillion dollar range, the Federal DEBT is in the $22 trillion-dollar range.
All you chart shows BTW is that UNDER OBAMA, the Federal government VASTLY outspent its revenues to an extent never before seen under any previous administrations - except possibly WWII, which isn't shown on the chart. THE BEST that Obama did to balance the budget was still WORSE THAN any previous administration.
Now, I would say that deficit government spending SHOULD BE counter-cyclical, but as some point someone has to turn down the tap or raise revenues.
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Quote:JSF FUCKED UP his numbers, but Federal Reserve knows the correct deficit numbers:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SECOND, he DID list the deficit. The deficit runs roughly between a half-trillion to a trillion-and-a-half dollars per year. The debt [which is the accumulated unpaid deficits of previous years] is somewhere in the realm of $21-22 trillion now.
JewelStaiteFan, you got it all wrong because you listed the debt, but you should have listed the deficit. Two different words, two different meanings. - SECOND
Federal government budget surplus or deficit (-), Billions of Dollars, Annual, Not Seasonally Adjusted
observation_date
1987-01-01 -148.424
1988-01-01 -154.261
1989-01-01 -153.317
1990-01-01 -220.466
1991-01-01 -269.494
1992-01-01 -290.340
1993-01-01 -254.614
1994-01-01 -203.182
1995-01-01 -163.950
1996-01-01 -107.433
1997-01-01 -21.888
1998-01-01 69.269
1999-01-01 125.610
2000-01-01 236.239
2001-01-01 128.236
2002-01-01 -157.758
2003-01-01 -377.585
2004-01-01 -412.727
2005-01-01 -318.344
2006-01-01 -248.181
2007-01-01 -160.701
2008-01-01 -458.468
2009-01-01 -1412.687
2010-01-01 -1294.373
2011-01-01 -1299.593
2012-01-01 -1086.964
2013-01-01 -679.540
2014-01-01 -484.600
2015-01-01 -438.496
2016-01-01 -584.651
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=mpKQ
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Quote:His numbers roughly parallel yours, and the discrepancy CANNOT be explained by a deficit v debt error. IF he was quoting DEBT, his numbers would be in the $10-$22-trillion range, not in the $0.5-$1.5 trillion range, so climb down from your high horse on this one: You're wrong.
He FUCKED UP his numbers
I don't know how to explain the discrepancies (which are relatively small compared to what you were posting about) but ONE possibility is that The Fed shows the deficit from January to January, but the Federal government's budget year runs from August to August, so that may explain some "slop" from year to year.
And once again: Your chart clearly shows that Obama's deficits were worse than any other's.
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Quote:The difference between the annual deficit and the annual increase in Federal debt is trivial -- a hundred billion here and a hundred billion there and pretty soon we are talking about real money. These "disagreements" about Federal deficits and National debts never pivot around different personal values. It's that both Republican and Democratic voters (but only the ones who are not rich) are easily confused and they don't actually know what they are talking about when they talk about Federal money. House Speaker Paul Ryan was depending on you not understanding what he was doing. Signym, JewelStaiteFan, 6ix have been pretty dependable.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:His numbers roughly parallel yours, and the discrepancy CANNOT be explained by a deficit v debt error. IF he was quoting DEBT, his numbers would be in the $10-$22-trillion range, not in the $0.5-$1.5 trillion range, so climb down from your high horse on this one: You're wrong.
He FUCKED UP his numbers
I don't know how to explain the discrepancies (which are relatively small compared to what you were posting about) but ONE possibility is that The Fed shows the deficit from January to January, but the Federal government's budget year runs from August to August, so that may explain some "slop" from year to year.
And once again: Your chart clearly shows that Obama's deficits were worse than any other's.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/10/17929460/paul-ryan-speaker-
retiring-debt-deficits-trump
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I had $1 for every question that THUGR and GSTRING never answer I'd be ... well, not rich, but I'd have enough to buy someone a decent Xmas gift!
If I had $1 for every quesiton of yours worth answering I might have enough for a day old bagel.
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Yep, been brainwashed since I was a kid...you know, the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem at every ballgame and so forth. Yeah, I'm a card-carrying Gung Ho motherfucking red-blooded American male, out to see the scumbags of the world get theirs.
Last time I checked with my All-American decoder ring, killing the enemy in time of war is a good thing.....sucking the enemy's dick in Macy's window...
not so much. But, like they say, "there's no accounting for taste."
So the Democrats that I know, love baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet. Plus fucking their girlfriends in the back seat, smoking Marlboros, and going to church on Sundays. Add JFK to the list and you have the "Trifecta."
Both Mueller and McCain had the balls to fight for this country and keep your
America-hating ass from getting shot off. Tell me, when was the last time you heard of Trump putting his life on the line for this country, oh and getting it in the ass from Putin doesn't count.
sgg
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Democrats I once knew never would have called Mueller or McCain a hero.
It's actually kind of scary the mass hypnosis that seems to have evolved over the last decade and a half.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Right, SHINY? Let's kill some foreigners for no reason whatsoever? That'll make us heroes?
Now your talking Siggy.....let's all go out and kill something! YeeeeeeeHawww!
How is it you guys say it: "Fucking A..."
Where is General Patton when you need him!?
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"
Gung Ho!
Nothing comes between me and my gun!
Any Questions!?
SGG
Lock n Load!
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I had $1 for every question that THUGR and GSTRING never answer I'd be ... well, not rich, but I'd have enough to buy someone a decent Xmas gift!
If I had $1 for every quesiton of yours worth answering I might have enough for a day old bagel.
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Quote:Yeah, because that invasion by the N Vietnamese ... it was right on our shores.
Both Mueller and McCain had the balls to fight for this country and keep your America-hating ass from getting shot off. -SHINY
[/snicker]
Seriously, SHINY???
You DO realize, don't you, that by blowing up, invading, and toppling other nations at random, that makes US the "scumbag of the world"? The "Alliance", as it were? When you were watching Firefly ... which side were you on?
At what point do you start applying the same code of ethics to us ... and to yourself ... that you apply to "foreigners"? If ever? Or are you just addicted to righteous violence?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Tell me, when was the last time you heard of Trump putting his life on the line for this country, oh and getting it in the ass from Putin doesn't count.
Too funny, SGG!
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Quote:6ix, your link is incorrect, and spews the same BS as second.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:JewelStaiteFan, you got it all wrong because you listed the debt, but you should have listed the deficit. Two different words, two different meanings.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is anybody wondering if second is capable of telling a truth for once?
Before Obama, the worst Federal Deficit in history: $594.7 Billion, FY2004.
Federal Deficit 2010: $1.6529 Trillion.
Federal Deficit 2011: $1.2354 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still double the last reasonable Deficit.
Federal Deficit 2012: $1.2867 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2013: $0.6685 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Reduced, but still far beyond the worst non-Obama Budget.
Federal Deficit 2014: $1.0751 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. This increase is what second calls a decrease.
Federal Deficit 2015: $0.3255 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan. Both House and Senate became GoP controlled following 2014 Election.
And then
Federal Deficit 2016: $1.4194 Trillion. Before Speaker Ryan.
Federal Deficit 2017: $0.6662 Trillion. First Speaker Ryan Budget.
These are Fiscal Years.
Paul Ryan became House Speaker on 29 October 2015.
This was already a month into FY2016.
So FY2017 was the very first Federal Budget which Ryan could craft, plan, draft, and negotiate Spending and Revenue Legislation to curb the runaway Federal Deficit.
So the accurate number is $753.2 Billion. The amount he REDUCED the Federal Deficit, first time out of the gate.
Those two numbers, deficit and debt, differ by hundreds of billions for the year.
But why am I bothering to explain the difference deficit and debt? Go to the table in billions of dollars at www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
Deficit vs Debt
2007 $161 $501 1.1% Iraq War cost.
2008 $459 $1,017 3.1% Bank bailout. QE.
2009 $1,413 $1,632 9.8% Stimulus Act.
2010 $1,294 $1,905 8.6% Obama tax cuts. ACA. Simpson-Bowles.
2011 $1,300 $1,229 8.3% Debt crisis.
2012 $1,087 $1,276 6.7% Fiscal cliff.
2013 $679 $672 4.0% Sequester. Government shutdown.
2014 $485 $1,086 2.7% Debt ceiling.
2015 $438 $327 2.4% Defense = $736.4 b.
2016 $585 $1,423 3.1% Defense = $767.3 b.
2017 $665 $672 3.4% Defense = $812.3 b.
2018 (est) $833 $1,271 4.0% Defense = $824.7 b.
2019 (est) $984 $1,187
What is the difference between deficit and debt? It's like owing an auto mechanic $500 and getting a payday loan for $2,500. Your deficit is $500, but your debt is $2,500. The $500 deficit is tied to your problem of spending more than your income. The $2,500 is tied to how good you are at swindling the payday loan place.
Try www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html for another explanation.
Wrong.
https://money.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-u-s-deficit-nationa
l-debt-.htm
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What second is saying is that I used the figure of the increase in Federal Debt from each year to the next year ( which is accurate), and he wants to use a fancy magic number to be defined as "Deficit" for each year.
It is like this: let's say you have 2 accounts to your name, a checking account and an unsecured personal loan. Adding these 2 together one year, we find that you are 20,000 in Debt. 12 months later, we find that you 24,000 in Debt. I would call this a Deficit of 4,000 over the year. But second says that this is actually a Surplus of 100 (if you are a Democrat), or a Deficit of 6,500 (if you are a Republican).
The question is, which figure are you going to believe?
The numbers that second posted claim that there was a Federal Budget Surplus for a few years at the end of the last Millennium, yet every single year the Federal Debt was larger than the year before, never being reduced by any Surplus. Do you believe those figures?
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Tell me, when was the last time you heard of Trump putting his life on the line for this country, oh and getting it in the ass from Putin doesn't count.
Too funny, SGG!
Yep, too funny.
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Why is everybody making this more complicated than it is?
The deficit is how much extra debt is accumulated in a single year.
The debt is the overall accumulated debt we've taken on, up to and including the additional debt that was calculated the second that I wrote this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Rudy Giuliani Defends Michael Cohen's Hush Money Payments: 'Nobody Got Killed'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-defends-michael-
cohens-hush-money-payments-nobody-got-killed/ar-BBQXlPZ
Is this guy for real? When he was Mayor of New York he had people arrested who tried to make a buck by cleaning your windshield as well as other low level offenses.
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Quote:I agree with you.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why is everybody making this more complicated than it is?
The deficit is how much extra debt is accumulated in a single year.
The debt is the overall accumulated debt we've taken on, up to and including the additional debt that was calculated the second that I wrote this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
But second, and your link, both say the opposite.
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Quote:You are correct about complicated. I was explaining the method of how second was injecting confusion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why is everybody making this more complicated than it is?
The deficit is how much extra debt is accumulated in a single year.
The debt is the overall accumulated debt we've taken on, up to and including the additional debt that was calculated the second that I wrote this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
But, simply, it is Fake Libtard Maths that second was using. Not too surprising, since second only relies upon Fake News sources.
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kiki and others SECOND keep saying no collusion because as you point out, as I, G and others have said before, collusion itself is not a chargeable offense. And, as you, I, G and others have also pointed out, the actual charges may include conspiracy, obstruction, money laundering, campaign finance violations, bank fraud and the list goes on. Hell, we could even see the RICO act enacted.
We've seen as many as 36 or so indicted with guilty pleas and jail time in Mueller's attempt to clean house. Comrade kiki and her few cronies post as though none of that reflects back onto Trump. He is now being investigated up the yazoo and the democrats haven't even started yet. This doesn't even include his corrupt cabinet members.
Trump has trashed our intelligence agencies, our justice department, the FBI and so on. Can you blame them for wanting to expose Trump as being the crook.
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Quote:How has the infamous Steele dossier panned out so far? It is a relatively compact collection of information about how the Donald Trump campaign may have worked with the Russians. Looking at it can help to organize the torrent of information coming at us.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, just like Mueller! Who started investigating on a wing and a prayer and a jacked-up warrant based on a fabricated "dossier".
The dossier includes 15 claims that are now fully or partially supported and 27 claims for which we have no evidence so far. These 27 claims include a fair amount of insider Kremlin gossip.
What I found most interesting is this: although there’s no public evidence one way or the other for these 27 claims, there doesn’t appear to be a single claim that we know with certainty is false. There are claims that have been denied by the American participants, but none that we have documentary proof of being mistaken. Partly this is because it’s hard to prove a negative, but it’s still surprising that not a single claim in the report has been conclusively debunked. It’s especially surprising since the dossier is a patchwork of raw intelligence, and even if it was well done by competent professionals you’d still expect it to include at least a few claims that, two years later, we could say were categorically false.
More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/an-updated-look-at-the-steele-d
ossier/
It’s time to reconsider the Steele dossier. Lawfare has posted an excellent summary, in narrative form, of recent evidence in court filings that supports the material in the dossier. It also gives a good background summary of what the dossier is.
More at www.balloon-juice.com/2018/12/17/reconsidering-the-steele-dossier/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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