Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic Socialists, and end to Capitalism

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 2, 2018 12:44 AM

Instead of looking at a dumb little wish list that Fox News puts out about her, I thought I'd do a little digging and see what this is all about. At the end of this, I expect G to say whether or not he still is in support of her.

Question #1: Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a member of the Democratic Socialists of America?

Yes, according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez

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On June 26, 2018, Ocasio-Cortez won the Democratic primary in New York's 14th congressional district covering parts of the Bronx and Queens in New York City, defeating the incumbent Congressman, Democratic Caucus Chair Joe Crowley, in what was described as the biggest upset victory in the 2018 midterm election primaries.[12] Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Question #2: What is the Mission Statement of The Democratic Socialists of America?

From their own "About" page: https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/

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The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.

At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that:

decrease the influence of money in politics
empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy
restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.

We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society.

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year.

Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all.

That all sounds really nice. But if you look past the flowery language and read what I underlined, their explicit desire is an end to Capitalism.

Question #3: Are the Democratic Socialsts of America for open borders?

They had a page on that, but it seems to have been taken down: https://www.dsausa.org/socialists_and_immigration_dl

Archive.org to the rescue...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180713190506/https://www.dsausa.org/soci
alists_and_immigration_dl

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By Duane Campbell

In spite of the economic boom for the wealthy, working people in the U.S. have yet to receive a significant improvement in their standard of living for over 30 years. At the same time, democratic forces are once again confronted with anti-immigrant campaigns- this time fostered and promoted by a president of the U.S.

As socialists, we stand with and among the U.S. working class in opposition to the rule of the transnational corporations

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, December 2, 2018 5:21 AM

They proclaim that the U.S. Economic Policy is "NeoLiberal Capitalism" in their spew.

Are they unique in this regard, or do others likewise define these terms?

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 2, 2018 6:20 AM

Hmmm... I'm not sure it's fair to judge Ocasio-Cortez on a "platform" that wasn't hers. That's like judging Trump because of Adelson, or Obama on his (presumed) affiliation with Jeremiah Wright.

But I have a couple of things to say about this topic anyway:

1) "Capitalism" is ALREADY dead. Capitalism depends on competition, and since the biggest companies have gobbled up most of the medium-sized companies that are worth having, what we have is sheer out-and-out monopolism. Tsk tsk. As socialists, they should at least be familiar with what Marx and Lenin said on the topic, which was that the direction of capitalism is always towards monopolism since the big gobble up the small.

2) What the Democratic Socialists of America appear to be are "Trotskyists". What that mean is that they're committed to globalism in their own way... a globalist worker's revolution. Frankly, I think it's a stupid and dangerous pipe dream because it promotes the development of globalist elites ... transnational corporations, banking cartels and the like ... with the idea that "the people" will eventually revolt against the globalists.

But "the people" would have no hope of ever controlling, much less revolting against such a worldwide power. I decided several years ago that the best way to promote freedom was by DEcentralization .... breaking down the controlling entities from transnationals to nations, and from nations to regions. Devolving authority as low as it can go while still solving the problems that need to be solved. (For example, don't expect "the state" to tell people how to raise their children in every particular.)

3) The people who believe in infiltrating a political organization and slowly taking it over are called "Pabloites". It's a pretty well-known and often-discussed tactic in leftist circles. My leftist friends practically spit and rinse their mouths out after using the word; they think it's an underhanded tactic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 2, 2018 7:18 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hmmm... I'm not sure it's fair to judge Ocasio-Cortez on a "platform" that wasn't hers. That's like judging Trump because of Adelson, or Obama on his (presumed) affiliation with Jeremiah Wright.

I'm not sure what you mean here. She's loud about being a Democratic Socialist. Did she not read the mission statement before signing up?

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But I have a couple of things to say about this topic anyway:

1) "Capitalism" is ALREADY dead. Capitalism depends on competition, and since the biggest companies have gobbled up most of the medium-sized companies that are worth having, what we have is sheer out-and-out monopolism. Tsk tsk. As socialists, they should at least be familiar with what Marx and Lenin said on the topic, which was that the direction of capitalism is always towards monopolism since the big gobble up the small.

That's a bit hyperbolic. It's not dead... yet. It is still somewhat possible to get ahead in the world, or at least get by without being on the government dole. Capitalism definitely isn't what it once was though. I like Jimmy Dore's take on it and how he calls our current system "Predatory Capitalism". At least for now I'll take it over flat out Socialism, although I fear that the end result will be fairly similar either way.

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2) What the Democratic Socialists of America appear to be are "Trotskyists". What that mean is that they're committed to globalism in their own way... a globalist worker's revolution. Frankly, I think it's a stupid and dangerous pipe dream because it promotes the development of globalist elites ... transnational corporations, banking cartels and the like ... with the idea that "the people" will eventually revolt against the globalists.

I'm not really interested in any of their opinions on Globalism. I will actively fight against anybody who is for it.

Quote:
But "the people" would have no hope of ever controlling, much less revolting against such a worldwide power. I decided several years ago that the best way to promote freedom was by DEcentralization .... breaking down the controlling entities from transnationals to nations, and from nations to regions. Devolving authority as low as it can go while still solving the problems that need to be solved. (For example, don't expect "the state" to tell people how to raise their children in every particular.)

Agreed.

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3) The people who believe in infiltrating a political organization and slowly taking it over are called "Pabloites". It's a pretty well-known and often-discussed tactic in leftist circles. My leftist friends practically spit and rinse their mouths out after using the word; they think it's an underhanded tactic.

This was actually a common tactic in the mid-terms. Cortez just happens to be the only one you heard about that succeeded.

The idea behind the movement for these midterms was to run them in primaries against Democrats that weren't very popular themselves, but in districts that are Hard Blue. Since voter turnout for midterm primaries is usually very low, they would be able to win a bunch of them by drumming up support from the ultra-left, and then they would have an easy time winning the General elections since most of the Democrats in these areas wouldn't pay attention to their platforms and would just vote along their party lines.

In the case of Cortez: https://nypost.com/2018/06/28/most-voters-stayed-home-for-stunning-ale
xandria-ocasio-cortez-win/

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Only about 13 percent of registered Democrats turned out to vote in the 14th Congressional District that takes in parts of Queens and the Bronx, according to a preliminary city Board of Elections tally.

There are 214,750 active registered Democratic voters in the district. Only 27,744 voted, and Ocasio-Cortez won by more than 4,000 votes.

THG

Monday, December 3, 2018 3:49 AM

Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic Socialists, and end to Capitalism

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK

Wow you republicans sure are afraid of women. Oh my god, here comes one now, RUN!!!

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1KIKI

Monday, December 3, 2018 9:41 AM

This is her platform. I took out all the explanations but left the headers to give an overall view of the platform. You can go to the website for details.

https://ocasio2018.com/issues

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Platform

Medicare For All
Housing As a Human Right
A Peace Economy
A Federal Jobs Guarantee
Gun Control / Assault Weapons Ban
Criminal Justice Reform, End Private Prisons
Immigration Justice / Abolish ICE
Solidarity with Puerto Rico
Mobilizing Against Climate Change
Clean Campaign Finance
Higher Education / Trade School for All
Women's Rights
Support LGBTQIA+
Support Seniors
Curb Wall Street Gambling: Restore Glass Steagall

It looks like FOX got it (mostly) right (they left off 'a peace economy'). A discussion was started here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62808

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 3, 2018 10:27 AM

I'm not interested in what her page says. I'm well aware of what it said. I was part of the discussion that you linked, and I believe you knew that before you made this post, Kiki.

The point here is that the Democratic Socialists of America are much different than the Social Democrats.

Any of the "Bernie Bros" who voted for her thinking that they were the same thing have an IQ in the single digits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 3, 2018 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
They proclaim that the U.S. Economic Policy is "NeoLiberal Capitalism" in their spew.

Are they unique in this regard, or do others likewise define these terms?

I've actually never heard it called this before. I think it's pretty telling of the DSA and their dislike for the Democratic party as a whole that they would.

I consider our current economic policy as a mix of NeoCon/NeoLib Capitalism, or Predatory Capitalism.

I get the sense that the one thing I can agree with the DSA about is that I don't trust either party much and there really is little difference between the two of them when you scratch beneath the surface.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 3, 2018 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Wow you republicans sure are afraid of women. Oh my god, here comes one now, RUN!!!

Since you're the only Lefty here that has decided to make a response, albeit a very stupid one, do you have anything worthwhile to add?

Nobody has said anything about women here in general, other than referring to specific women by name or using their gender pronouns.

Should we consider your above response as an endorsement for the DSA and what they stand for, or would you like to actually read their mission statement and give an adult opinion about it?

EDITED TO ADD:

It should also be noted that the most troubling writing the DSA had on their site (which has subsequently been taken down and can only now be found on archive.org) was written by one Duane Campbell.

Last time I checked, Duane is a man's name. Although... I guess I shouldn't be so quick to assume somebody's gender based off of their name in 2018.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, December 3, 2018 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not interested in what her page says.

Well, you started out with this:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Instead of looking at a dumb little wish list that Fox News puts out about her

But FOX's list is, apparently, her list. The one she put her name on and presumably endorses. So, it's not FOX's dumb little list, it's her dumb little list.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm well aware of what it said. I was part of the discussion that you linked, and I believe you knew that before you made this post, Kiki.

Last I knew of the previous discussion, there was uncertainty if this wish list was hers, or FOX's. It turns out, it's nearly her entire list.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The point here is that the Democratic Socialists of America are much different than the Social Democrats.
Any of the "Bernie Bros" who voted for her thinking that they were the same thing have an IQ in the single digits.

Not sure what your point is. Due to the paltry turnout I expect her to wash out in the next election when there's more attention. In the meantime, is your point that the DSA played a dirty trick by running people as democrats something something with a confusing name?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 3, 2018 1:29 PM

It is a dumb little list.

I think the writings on the DSA website regarding immigration and borders will clear up some of the questions you had about it.

She IS a DSA member, and her dumb little list is watered down so most people who voted for her would not see what she really thinks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, December 3, 2018 2:35 PM

SIX, I tried looking up whether Ocasio-Cortez is REALLY a member of DSAUSA. Except for the mention in Wikipedia, which goes back to an article in VOX, which flatly states that she is with no evidence at all ... there is no record of her being a member. the DSAUSA "supports" her, but she can't control who supports her. https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/op-ed-we-stand-with-alexandria-ocasio-co
rtez/

So .... ?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 3, 2018 2:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, I tried looking up whether Ocasio-Cortez is REALLY a member of DSAUSA. Except for the mention in Wikipedia, which goes back to an article in VOX, which flatly states that she is with no evidence at all ... there is no record of her being a member. the DSAUSA "supports" her, but she can't control who supports her. https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/op-ed-we-stand-with-alexandria-ocasio-co
rtez/

So .... ?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

I can't find any evidence that she's a literal card carrying member, as in there isn't an image of a DSA card with her picture on it.

I've never seen her claim she wasn't though.

I can, however, give you an arguably better source than Vox though:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/nyregion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-b
io-profile.html

Quote:
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, whose résumé up to now included waitress, children’s-book publisher, community activist, member of the Democratic Socialists of America and former Bernie Sanders campaign organizer, was now something else: an instant political rock star. She stunned the Democratic establishment by beating one of the senior leaders in the House, Joseph Crowley, in a near-landslide in Tuesday’s primary.

And a quote of hers about Democratic Socialism on the Colbert show:

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-do-democratic-socialists-believe-alexand
ria-ocasio-cortez-sums-it-up-in-her-own-words-9659030

Quote:
Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected. As the congressional candidate described:

For me, democratic socialism is about ... I believe that in a modern, moral, and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live ... Seems pretty simple. So what that means to me is health care as a human right. It means that every child no matter where you are born should have access to a college or trade school education if they so choose it. I think that no person should be homeless, if we can have public structures and public policies to allow for people to have homes and food and lead a dignified life in the United States.

I dunno. Maybe it's all fake news. But since every single article I've ever seen written about her claims that she's a Democratic Socialist and/or a member of the DSA in particular, maybe she should find some time in between trying to scrounge up rent for her new D.C. apartment to set the record straight on that if she isn't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, December 3, 2018 10:11 PM

It's the same claim as in Vox. There is no reference as to where that info came from. I did several searches which didn't turn up anything solid ... of course, since google is kinking it's search results for political purposes, THAT doesn't mean anything either.

I'm sure that the DSAUSA has a list of official members. Equally sure that if Ocasio-Cortez was on it, the DSAUSA would never tell us! But it's one thing to call yourself a socialist democrat which may simply be a way to differentiate yourself from "liberal Democrat" for the voter, another to be a member of the "Democratic Socialist of America" which has a very specific agenda.

So altogether, not willing to tag Ocasio-Cortez with someone else's platform. However, I'm certainly willing to discuss what the DSAUSA wants, and Ocasio-Cortez' platform independently. And what Ocasio Cortez says she wants IS "creeping socialism" and WOULD lead to the destruction of capitalism, as far as it still exists.

So later on I'll be going back to the thread with Ocasio-Cotez' wishlist to discuss its implications for capitalism.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, December 3, 2018 10:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's the same claim as in Vox. There is no reference as to where that info came from. I did several searches which didn't turn up anything solid ... of course, since google is kinking it's search results for political purposes, THAT doesn't mean anything either.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

There are alternatives to google.
www.bing.com
https://search.yahoo.com/
https://duckduckgo.com/
www.dogpile.com/
www.lycos.com/
www.metacrawler.com/

Are you getting the idea?

What is the difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, December 3, 2018 10:56 PM

What's the difference between National Socialism and Socialist Nationalism?

tic tac

SECOND

Monday, December 3, 2018 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's the difference between National Socialism and Socialist Nationalism?

tic tac

Same as the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Or Nationalsozialismus and Kommunizm.

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democ
ratic-socialism/471630/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Monday, December 3, 2018 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I dunno. Maybe it's all fake news. But since every single article I've ever seen written about her claims that she's a Democratic Socialist and/or a member of the DSA in particular, maybe she should find some time in between trying to scrounge up rent for her new D.C. apartment to set the record straight on that if she isn't.

One thing she is no good at is numbers. Forty months ago when Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign was more of a curiosity than an influential political movement, vagueness on paying for Medicare-for-all was harmless. The name of the game was to build political support for an idea that had little support and sort the details out later.

What’s striking, however, is that essentially no progress has been made on sorting out the details. That’s why you have one of the country’s highest-profile Medicare-for-all proponents, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, tweeting misinformation about potential pay-fors: She doesn’t have a specific canonical proposal she can point to as reflecting what she’s working toward.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/3/18122947/pentagon-accounting
-error-medicare-for-all

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, December 3, 2018 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's the difference between National Socialism and Socialist Nationalism?

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Same as the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Or Nationalsozialismus and Kommunizm.

Yeah, it's so confusing - but useful! If you throw enough similar-sounding names around long enough, you can have people believing Swedes are communistic Nazis!

tic tac

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:27 AM

Jeepers Creepers...

I think Second might actually not be a fan of Ocasio-Cortez. *gasp!*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:51 AM

Too threatening to the tax breaks? And remember, SECOND had a similar dislike of Bernie. Yup, SECOND was and is a Hillary fan all the way. After all, she's a safe, bought-and-paid-for status quo non-republican, who threads through that tortuous path of all the people SECOND hates.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:08 AM

Okay, I found a "horse's mouth" statement from DSAUSA regarding Ocasio-Cortez' membership:

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Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just made history.

Against all odds, she soundly defeated a ten-term incumbent — the heir apparent to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — to win the Democratic Party nomination in New York’s 14th congressional district primary. If elected to Congress this fall, she will become the first Latina to represent this working class, majority-minority district that spans parts of the Bronx and Queens.

This isn’t just a victory for New Yorkers. It is a victory for basic principles of freedom and justice at a time when our political misleaders have given up on them. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will continue the political revolution by fighting every day for the many, not the few, in Congress.

https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/npc_statement_ocasio-cortez/

So apparently she IS a member. It was dogpile that found this. I'll be adding it to my list of useful search engines.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:38 AM

Nice find.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Too threatening to the tax breaks? And remember, SECOND had a similar dislike of Bernie. Yup, SECOND was and is a Hillary fan all the way. After all, she's a safe, bought-and-paid-for status quo non-republican, who threads through that tortuous path of all the people SECOND hates.

The DSA would probably call him a NeoLiberal Capitalist.

At any rate, that looks like she's 1 for 2 with the Lefties on the board. I wonder if T's going to come back in and call Second a misogynist now?

Where's G and SGG?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 4:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Okay, I found a "horse's mouth" statement from DSAUSA regarding Ocasio-Cortez' membership:

Quote:
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just made history.

Against all odds, she soundly defeated a ten-term incumbent — the heir apparent to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — to win the Democratic Party nomination in New York’s 14th congressional district primary. If elected to Congress this fall, she will become the first Latina to represent this working class, majority-minority district that spans parts of the Bronx and Queens.

This isn’t just a victory for New Yorkers. It is a victory for basic principles of freedom and justice at a time when our political misleaders have given up on them. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will continue the political revolution by fighting every day for the many, not the few, in Congress.

https://www.dsausa.org/weekly/npc_statement_ocasio-cortez/

So apparently she IS a member. It was dogpile that found this. I'll be adding it to my list of useful search engines.

Is AO-C a Non Player Character in the DSA game?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nice find.

Looks like I'll have to read the DSAUSA mission statement (or whatever the heck they call it) which seems like a pretty tortured document. I scanned thru it, and my mind did a few of those needle-sliding-off-a-vinyl record noises and few times because it seemed to me that they followed one statement with something its immediate opposite. (A "We're for freedom so we want the transnationals to be bigger" kind of thing. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding on my part.)

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:40 PM

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The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.

Democracy is a political system and socialism is an economic system. Since the two aren't in conflict, it's possible to have democratic socialism just as you can have tyrannical capitalism (which some might interpret as "fascism").

People like THUGR tend to conflate the two.

Quote:
At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that:

decrease the influence of money in politics
empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy
restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.

blah blah blah ...

Quote:
We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society.

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

OK ...

Quote:
We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms

What does THIS mean? I've heard much, much better explanations from the LaRouche libertarian party. This is just a junior-high wishlist

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to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year.

Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all.

Nothing of real content there. Just a lot of blah-blah-blah.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, December 4, 2018 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.
Democracy is a political system and socialism is an economic system. Since the two aren't in conflict, it's possible to have democratic socialism just as you can have tyrannical capitalism.

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At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that:

decrease the influence of money in politics
empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy
restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.

blah blah blah ...

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We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society.

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. OK ...

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We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms
What does THIS mean? I've heard much, much better explanations from the LaRouche libertarian party. This is just a junior-high wishlist
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to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the YDSA works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. YDSA meets several times during the year.

Please join DSA as we work to help build a better and more just world for all.
Nothing of real content there. Just a lot of blah-blah-blah.

Your posted quote syntax was off by one.

The DSA statements seem to try to recruit susceptible or feeble minds to their cause, but AO-C seems to have been a poor student of their courses of indoctrination. She certainly seems to be proof of the feeble mind template.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:08 AM

I fixed the quote syntax.

What I find about the DSAUSA statement is that it's crafted to be as inoffensive and not specific as possible. You're right in that it's meant to appeal to the weak-minded. I'm sure they save their real agenda for people who've already joined and been to some extent indoctrinated

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:15 AM

Yeah. You don't want to be talking about Thetans and Xenu until you really got your hooks into somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:21 AM

Quote:
]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. You don't want to be talking about Thetans and Xenu until you really got your hooks into somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

HAHAHA! No kidding!

I just wanted to get back to this, which contains the core problem that I see with their
statement:

Quote:
We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms

First of all, they apparently think there will be a "humane" international democracy.

In WHAT magical world are they living in??? Have you seen any "international elections" lately??? Any polling booth where "the people" can vote on where industries are located, or what wages will apply, or what educational, health, environmental, and social protections will apply in every nation?? ANY moves in that direction?

YEAH, ME NEITHER

[/snicker] These people are living in some fantasy-world. Every motion towards globalization has, so far, simply meant more and more power concentrated in a few hands that are far-distant and well-protected from the reactions of "the people"

Second, how do they intend to reconcile "democratic planning" with "market mechanisms"? The two are inherently contradictory, and they need to delineate where one mechanism leaves off and another begins. This is (again) just juvenile fantasizing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, December 5, 2018 11:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I fixed the quote syntax.

What I find about the DSAUSA statement is that it's crafted to be as inoffensive and not specific as possible. You're right in that it's meant to appeal to the weak-minded. I'm sure they save their real agenda for people who've already joined and been to some extent indoctrinated.

It's not like they can post the real agenda online for just anybody to read. Fox might investigate and sear h for information like, yanno, journalists used to do that.

Do you feel she is not precisely in alignment with DSA? Maybe she spun off script a bit? That's the impression I get.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, December 5, 2018 5:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. You don't want to be talking about Thetans and Xenu until you really got your hooks into somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
HAHAHA! No kidding!

I just wanted to get back to this, which contains the core problem that I see with their
statement:

Quote:
We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms

First of all, they apparently think there will be a "humane" international democracy.

In WHAT magical world are they living in??? Have you seen any "international elections" lately??? Any polling booth where "the people" can vote on where industries are located, or what wages will apply, or what educational, health, environmental, and social protections will apply in every nation?? ANY moves in that direction?

YEAH, ME NEITHER

[/snicker] These people are living in some fantasy-world. Every motion towards globalization has, so far, simply meant more and more power concentrated in a few hands that are far-distant and well-protected from the reactions of "the people"

Second, how do they intend to reconcile "democratic planning" with "market mechanisms"? The two are inherently contradictory, and they need to delineate where one mechanism leaves off and another begins. This is (again) just juvenile fantasizing.

The closest thing we've seen in modern day is the EU. Those people aren't voted in. The people that they are actually able to vote for in their nation state largely bend at the knee for their EU masters.

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I fixed the quote syntax.

What I find about the DSAUSA statement is that it's crafted to be as inoffensive and not specific as possible. You're right in that it's meant to appeal to the weak-minded. I'm sure they save their real agenda for people who've already joined and been to some extent indoctrinated.
It's not like they can post the real agenda online for just anybody to read. Fox might investigate and sear h for information like, yanno, journalists used to do that.

Do you feel she is not precisely in alignment with DSA? Maybe she spun off script a bit? That's the impression I get.

Who knows? She's either dumb, or dumb like a fox. Nearly everything that comes out of her mouth or shows up on her social media is asinine.

She's either a complete moron, or she's better at playing stupid than Trump is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, December 9, 2018 2:57 AM

Well ... I think the whole reason she got voted in was the exceptionally low turnout and basic lack of interest on the voters' part.

Now that she's where she is, we'll get to see where she puts her energies. After all, words are just temporary vapors. It's what she does that counts.

THG

Sunday, December 9, 2018 3:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well ... I think the whole reason she got voted in was the exceptionally low turnout and basic lack of interest on the voters' part.

Now that she's where she is, we'll get to see where she puts her energies. After all, words are just temporary vapors. It's what she does that counts.

Tribalism, 60% of her constituents are minorities.

T

1KIKI

Sunday, December 9, 2018 7:31 AM

As usual, THUGGER is lying.

Quote:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/state/7774-a-closer-look-at-voter-turnout
-in-2018-new-york-congressional-primaries
Maps compiled by the CUNY Center for Urban Research show that support in the election that has the country buzzing did not break down neatly on racial lines; in fact, Ocasio-Cortez maintained strong support throughout the district, across areas of various demographic makeups.
“This wasn’t a fluke,” said Steven Romalewski, of the Center for Urban Research. “She was able to get voters from almost every neighborhood to come out and support her.” Romalewski noted that, contrary to the conventional wisdom of voting on racial lines, the areas where Ocasio-Cortez’s showing was strongest were areas that weren’t predominantly Hispanic, signaling that her showing may not have been due to the district’s changing demographics (it has been steadily becoming less white for years), but due to desire for change from Crowley.

but

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With 98 percent of precincts reporting as of Wednesday, the State Board of Elections shows 27,826 registered Democrats cast votes in Tuesday’s primary in New York’s 14th District. With 235,745 registered Democrats as of April, according to the BOE, this comes out to a turnout of around 11.8 percent.

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https://nypost.com/2018/06/28/most-voters-stayed-home-for-stunning-ale
xandria-ocasio-cortez-win/
In the race that caused an earthquake in the Democratic Party, 28-year-old newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez upset longtime Rep. Joe Crowley, 57 percent to 42 percent.
But only about 13 percent of registered Democrats turned out to vote in the 14th Congressional District that takes in parts of Queens and the Bronx, according to a preliminary city Board of Elections tally.

tic tac

REAVERFAN

Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:00 AM

The trolls leading the dumb. ^

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by REAVERFAN:
The trolls leading the dumb. ^

I figured you were gone forever after CNN turned on you and called your type a violent fringe movement.

Did you run out of innocent trash cans to light on fire or "Nazis" to suckerpunch?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:55 PM

New York's 14th congressional district

U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens)

Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715

Ethnicity 18.41% White

11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic

0.45% Native American 3.71% other

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=SR4NXLjLCKy7ggfyrpXwBg&
amp;q=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i10i299l3.4013.4013..5616...0.0..0.233.233.2-1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0.hXWkQ4H4fJs

Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites.

As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.

tick tac asshole

T

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, December 9, 2018 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites.

As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.

I call that Democratic Representation.

THG

Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites.

As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.

I call that Democratic Representation.

You can G. You can call it that. And it's exactly why whites have had the power in this country throughout it's history; simply numbers.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:39 PM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, December 9, 2018 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
New York's 14th congressional district

U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens)

Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715

Ethnicity 18.41% White

11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic

0.45% Native American 3.71% other

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=SR4NXLjLCKy7ggfyrpXwBg&
amp;q=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i10i299l3.4013.4013..5616...0.0..0.233.233.2-1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0.hXWkQ4H4fJs

Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites.

As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.

tick tac asshole

T

Again with the 'comrade', THUGGER?

1KIKI

Sunday, December 9, 2018 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
New York's 14th congressional district

U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens)

Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715

Ethnicity 18.41% White

11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic

0.45% Native American 3.71% other

But even non-Hispanic areas of the district voted for her. And heavily Hispanic areas voted for Crowley.

I figured you'd be too dumb to click on the link I provided that demonstrated that.

here ya go - asshole

tic tac

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 1:43 AM

Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.

Now, fuck you comrade kiki and fuck your lawyers as well. You've been promising to sue me and others here for a year now. Get it done dipshit. Ya know, put up or shut up.

T

1KIKI

Monday, December 10, 2018 2:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.

Now, fuck you comrade kiki and fuck your lawyers as well. You've been promising to sue me and others here for a year now. Get it done dipshit. Ya know, put up or shut up.

T

Thank you for stepping up to the plate.

1KIKI

Monday, December 10, 2018 2:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.

You know, just because you can't understand maps doesn't mean other people can't. Just saying that doubling down on an idiocy that everyone else can see is an idiocy make you look like an idiot.

BTW, you need a breath mint.

tic tac

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 10, 2018 3:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted:
Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.
You know, just because you can't understand maps doesn't mean other people can't. Just saying that doubling down on an idiocy that everyone else can see is an idiocy make you look like an idiot.

BTW, you need a breath mint.

tic tac

I figured I didn't need to wait long before you schooled the Troll.

Do you have a map to post of what is the racial makeup of that bottom and left area of Queens where she got all her votes, since it obviously is not Hispanic. Absent a map of total votes cast, it looks like Hispanics did not vote.

1KIKI

Monday, December 10, 2018 4:12 AM

Sorry, no. I did look for a better breakdown, but couldn't find one. Whoever dug up the info posted in the local NYC publication - kudos to them! I suspect they had to go to their local hard-copy records to find it.

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 4:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Sorry, no. I did look for a better breakdown, but couldn't find one. Whoever dug up the info posted in the local NYC publication - kudos to them! I suspect they had to go to their local hard-copy records to find it.

Exactly, as I've said, as you just admitted to and as jsf eluded. You posted maps that don't tell the story. I suggest you look at what I've posted again.

49 percent Hispanic, 11 percent black and 18 percent white. The Hispanic won asshole. Simple...

T

1KIKI

Monday, December 10, 2018 6:07 AM

"Tribalism, 60% of her constituents are minorities."

You DID post this - did you not?

Do you think African Americans will vote for a Hispanic because they're both 'minorities'? Do you think an East-Asian will vote for a Hispanic because they're both 'minorities'? How about a South-Asian? How about a Native American? If Anglos find themselves demographically a minority will they vote for a Hispanic because they're both 'minorities'? If you believe that, then you don't know what 'tribalism' means. Either that, or you're such a stupid racist, you think all 'minorities' are the same. And you think that 'minorities' are so racist, race is all they vote on.

Further, if you look at the map - assuming you have enough intelligence to pick the proper maps of course, and understand them - you'll see that there are areas less than 40% Hispanic that voted for Cortez. There are even areas less than 15% Hispanic that voted for her. OTOH there area areas up to 100% Hispanic that voted for Crowley, the Anglo dude. I'll even point one out because it's named on the map - an area near Schuylerville that's 60.1-100% Hispanic is split nearly down the middle between Cortez and Crowley.

But if you can't understand basic information, you should note this: your troll buddies aren't jumping into your shit to tell you how right you are. That should give you a clue.

But I'm sure they appreciate you taking one for the team.

tic tac

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 10, 2018 6:33 AM

A bunch of white progressives under 35 made up a majority of her primary voting base. The primary was the only vote that mattered here since the general was always going to go to whoever the Democratic candidate was.

You'll find the diversity in the General election for sure though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 7:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

New York's 14th congressional district

U.S. Representative Joe Crowley (D–Queens)

Population (2016 ACS est.) 691,715

Ethnicity 18.41% White

11.39% Black 16.24% Asian 49.80% Hispanic

0.45% Native American 3.71% other

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=SR4NXLjLCKy7ggfyrpXwBg&
amp;q=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Racial+Make+Up+Of+New+Yorks+14th+District&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i10i299l3.4013.4013..5616...0.0..0.233.233.2-1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0.hXWkQ4H4fJs

Here you go comrade kiki. I ain't knocking it. It's just I try to deal in facts. Fact number one. All ethnicity's practice tribalism. Not just whites.

As the ethnicity of the population changes so does the ethnicity of it's leaders. Again, I ain't knocking it, I just deal in facts.

tick tac asshole

T

1KIKI

Monday, December 10, 2018 7:51 AM

From wiki

Quote:
Ocasio-Cortez was the first person since 2004 to challenge the Democratic Caucus Chair, Joe Crowley, in the Democratic primary. She faced a significant financial disadvantage, but said, "You can't really beat big money with more money. You have to beat them with a totally different game." Nearly 75% of her donations were small individual contributions, while less than one percent of Crowley's contributions were.[31] The Ocasio-Cortez campaign spent $194,000 to the Crowley campaign's $3.4 million.[43]

Ocasio-Cortez was endorsed by progressive and civil rights organizations such as MoveOn,[49] Justice Democrats,[50] Brand New Congress,[51] Black Lives Matter,[52] and Democracy for America,[37] and by gubernatorial candidate Cynthia Nixon, who, like Ocasio-Cortez, also challenged a longtime incumbent, Andrew Cuomo, in the 2018 New York gubernatorial election.[53]

Governor Cuomo endorsed Crowley, as did both of New York's U.S. Senators, Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, as well as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, 11 U.S. Representatives, 31 local elected officials, 31 trade unions, and progressive groups such as the Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood, the Working Families Party, NARAL Pro-Choice America and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, among others.

On June 26, 2018, Ocasio-Cortez received 57.13% of the vote (15,897) to Joe Crowley's 42.5% (11,761), defeating the 10-term incumbent by almost 15 percentage points.

As Gotham Gazette reported

Quote:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/state/7774-a-closer-look-at-voter-turnout
-in-2018-new-york-congressional-primaries
Maps compiled by the CUNY Center for Urban Research show that support in the election that has the country buzzing did not break down neatly on racial lines; in fact, Ocasio-Cortez maintained strong support throughout the district, across areas of various demographic makeups.
“This wasn’t a fluke,” said Steven Romalewski, of the Center for Urban Research. “She was able to get voters from almost every neighborhood to come out and support her.” Romalewski noted that, contrary to the conventional wisdom of voting on racial lines, the areas where Ocasio-Cortez’s showing was strongest were areas that weren’t predominantly Hispanic, signaling that her showing may not have been due to the district’s changing demographics (it has been steadily becoming less white for years), but due to desire for change from Crowley.

But turnout was only about 13%.

Digging back to the CUNY center that did the analysis:

Quote:

It Was Not the Hispanics Who Gave the Victory to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
https://www.gc.cuny.edu/News/All-News/Detail?id=45531
"The majority of her votes, her biggest support, came from areas that were not predominantly Hispanic ," Romalewski was quoted as saying to NY1 News. "You would have expected the opposite."

(This paragraph retrieved from the original linked article printed in Spanish) A map shows the highest concentration of votes in places like Sunnyside and the far north of Astoria, where young newcomers to the District are grouped. "They seem to be people who have not been involved in the process before," Romalewski said

And, it's funny watching THUGGER double, triple, and quadruple down on being wrong ... ... wrong, wrong, AND wrong.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 10, 2018 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted:
Sorry comrade kiki but your post doesn't show what you say it does. My numbers back up my claim.
You know, just because you can't understand maps doesn't mean other people can't. Just saying that doubling down on an idiocy that everyone else can see is an idiocy make you look like an idiot.

BTW, you need a breath mint.

tic tac
I figured I didn't need to wait long before you schooled the Troll.

Do you have a map to post of what is the racial makeup of that bottom and left area of Queens where she got all her votes, since it obviously is not Hispanic. Absent a map of total votes cast, it looks like Hispanics did not vote.

How often are we reminded that Trolls are illiterate?

Maybe Trolls are so Racist that they think that minorities are one group of non-whites. And minorities are so stupid that they cannot think for themselves, and are required to vote the way Trolls tell them to.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 10, 2018 11:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
From wiki

Quote:
Ocasio-Cortez was the first person since 2004 to challenge the Democratic Caucus Chair, Joe Crowley, in the Democratic primary. She faced a significant financial disadvantage, but said, "You can't really beat big money with more money. You have to beat them with a totally different game." Nearly 75% of her donations were small individual contributions, while less than one percent of Crowley's contributions were.[31] The Ocasio-Cortez campaign spent $194,000 to the Crowley campaign's $3.4 million.[43]

Ocasio-Cortez was endorsed by progressive and civil rights organizations such as MoveOn,[49] Justice Democrats,[50] Brand New Congress,[51] Black Lives Matter,[52] and Democracy for America,[37] and by gubernatorial candidate Cynthia Nixon, who, like Ocasio-Cortez, also challenged a longtime incumbent, Andrew Cuomo, in the 2018 New York gubernatorial election.[53]

Governor Cuomo endorsed Crowley, as did both of New York's U.S. Senators, Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, as well as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, 11 U.S. Representatives, 31 local elected officials, 31 trade unions, and progressive groups such as the Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood, the Working Families Party, NARAL Pro-Choice America and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, among others.

On June 26, 2018, Ocasio-Cortez received 57.13% of the vote (15,897) to Joe Crowley's 42.5% (11,761), defeating the 10-term incumbent by almost 15 percentage points.
As Gotham Gazette reported
Quote:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/state/7774-a-closer-look-at-voter-turnout
-in-2018-new-york-congressional-primaries
Maps compiled by the CUNY Center for Urban Research show that support in the election that has the country buzzing did not break down neatly on racial lines; in fact, Ocasio-Cortez maintained strong support throughout the district, across areas of various demographic makeups.
“This wasn’t a fluke,” said Steven Romalewski, of the Center for Urban Research. “She was able to get voters from almost every neighborhood to come out and support her.” Romalewski noted that, contrary to the conventional wisdom of voting on racial lines, the areas where Ocasio-Cortez’s showing was strongest were areas that weren’t predominantly Hispanic, signaling that her showing may not have been due to the district’s changing demographics (it has been steadily becoming less white for years), but due to desire for change from Crowley.

Quote:
But turnout was only about 13%.

Digging back to the CUNY center that did the analysis:
Quote:

It Was Not the Hispanics Who Gave the Victory to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
https://www.gc.cuny.edu/News/All-News/Detail?id=45531
"The majority of her votes, her biggest support, came from areas that were not predominantly Hispanic ," Romalewski was quoted as saying to NY1 News. "You would have expected the opposite."

(This paragraph retrieved from the original linked article printed in Spanish) A map shows the highest concentration of votes in places like Sunnyside and the far north of Astoria, where young newcomers to the District are grouped. "They seem to be people who have not been involved in the process before," Romalewski said

And, it's funny watching THUGGER double, triple, and quadruple down on being wrong ... ... wrong, wrong, AND wrong. AND also, firmly setting himself up for a lawsuit. Because who doesn't like a good lawsuit?

This is something of a success story for Democrats. With the creation of Dept of Educamation and constant work to dumb down America enough to make all Democrats, they have managed to spread beyond merely dumbing down minorities, and now have dumbed down whites enough to vote for such a clueless and asinine spewing Socialist.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 10, 2018 5:44 PM

I'm going to have a good laugh when Crowley takes it back from her.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 8:40 PM

You guys think you can post shit and say it means something it does not. If you superimpose those district maps showing the Hispanic population compared to votes won, you only prove me right.

Even if you stupid's begin to realize that 49% of the voters in her district are Hispanic. That someone can only win by getting a majority of the Hispanic vote. There's still no hope for you.

Man you guys are stupid. Think identity politics. You know, something you've all been complaining about. Welp, here it is.

T

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 8:47 PM

Hey, I've got something for you guys to bitch about. You know, because when Clinton met on the tarmac with the Attorney General and Hillary was being investigated, you all had a shit fit.
T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 10, 2018 10:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted:
You guys think you can post shit and say it means something it does not. If you superimpose those district maps showing the Hispanic population compared to votes won, you only prove me right.

Even if you stupid's begin to realize that 49% of the voters in her district are Hispanic. That someone can only win by getting a majority of the Hispanic vote.

She won 13% of the vote.
OBVIOUSLY not a single Hispanic voter needed to vote for her to achieve that.
Sometimes Dummy Trolls need to look in the mirror.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 10, 2018 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted:
You guys think you can post shit and say it means something it does not. If you superimpose those district maps showing the Hispanic population compared to votes won, you only prove me right.

Even if you stupid's begin to realize that 49% of the voters in her district are Hispanic. That someone can only win by getting a majority of the Hispanic vote.
She won 13% of the vote.
OBVIOUSLY not a single Hispanic voter needed to vote for her to achieve that.
Sometimes Dummy Trolls need to look in the mirror.

lol. Now I finally see the problem we've got here.

T's an actual full on retard.

Hey T, don't make any retard babies, or JSF is going to have to support them with the capitol gains on his 401k.

Note to JSF: She actually won 57.5% of 13%, or 15,897 out of 27,658 votes, which means that only 7.45% of the people in her district voted for her against Crowley in the primary.

Wasn't there about 18% whites in the district? That would mean it would have been possible for her to win the primary if only unemployed SJW progressive NPC whites voted for her and their disappointed parents were too busy working one of their three shitty part time jobs to put these ungrateful bastards through school to find time in their day to vote.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 10:55 PM

At a campaign meet-and-greet, he told Democrats that Ocasio-Cortez was making the primary “about race,” which was “unnecessarily divisive.” “I can’t help that I was born white,” he added.

is about 50 percent Latino, 40 percent Spanish-speaking, and about three-quarters people of color

Ocasio-Cortez has occasionally encouraged the demographic interpretation of her win. “There are a lot of districts in this country that are like NY-14, that have changed a lot in the last 20 years, and whose representation has not,” she told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press Sunday morning. But more often, she’s tried to complicate simplistic understandings of what many analysts call identity politics

And Ocasio-Cortez’s astounding 15-point win over Crowley should embolden citizens of color to demand, or become, the representation they deserve in a legislative body that has for too long treated their needs as negotiable and their lives as political bargaining chips

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/midterms-alexandria-ocasio
-cortez-won-in-part-because-of-demographics-and-thats-a-good-thing.html

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, December 10, 2018 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted:
You guys think you can post shit and say it means something it does not. If you superimpose those district maps showing the Hispanic population compared to votes won, you only prove me right.

Even if you stupid's begin to realize that 49% of the voters in her district are Hispanic. That someone can only win by getting a majority of the Hispanic vote.
She won 13% of the vote.
OBVIOUSLY not a single Hispanic voter needed to vote for her to achieve that.
Sometimes Dummy Trolls need to look in the mirror.

lol. Now I finally see the problem we've got here.

T's an actual full on retard.

Hey T, don't make any retard babies, or JSF is going to have to support them with the capitol gains on his 401k.

Note to JSF: She actually won 57.5% of 13%, or 15,897 out of 27,658 votes, which means that only 7.45% of the people in her district voted for her against Crowley in the primary.

Wasn't there about 18% whites in the district? That would mean it would have been possible for her to win the primary if only unemployed SJW progressive NPC whites voted for her and their disappointed parents were too busy working one of their three shitty part time jobs to put these ungrateful bastards through school to find time in their day to vote.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Troll posted that 11% of District Voters were black, and 16% Asian. So all of her votes could have come from one of those groups.

I've heard you are not supposed to call a Libtard a tard. Just sayin.

THG

Monday, December 10, 2018 11:02 PM

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 15,897_________ 57.5%

Joseph Crowley 11,761__________ 42.5

County Ocasio-Cortez Crowley

Queens 11,804_____ 8,220

Bronx 4,093_____ 3,541

T

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 1:01 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Even if you stupid's

How ironic. It's almost as bad as calling someone a moran.

tic tac

THG

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 1:27 AM

I had to do a double take with this one.__ T
You'll love the fist part comrade kiki.__ T

URGENT! PRESIDENT TRUMP BREAKING NEWS TODAY With Katy DEC 10, 2018

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 1:49 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
I had to do a double take with this one.__ T
You'll love the fist part comrade kiki.__ T

URGENT! PRESIDENT TRUMP BREAKING NEWS TODAY With Katy DEC 10, 2018

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 6:41 AM

Now I see where T is going with this.

He is encouraging racism and racist behavior.

Only it's racist when whites do it, but it's "tribalism" when minorities do it.

Wow.

You really don't think much of minorities, do you T?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 7:45 AM

http://w ww. youtube.com/watch ?v=VapBcctXQcU (edited to be readable but not load)

14:51
So Bill, is there a breaking point for some Republican lawmakers?
14:55
I talked to one Senator who said there would be IF MULLER WERE TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF AN ACTUAL CONSPIRACY BETWEEN TRUMP AND THE RUSSIANS, if they were to document collusion for example ...

They wasted 48 minutes of my life fluffing and primping each other's .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. wet dream and pretending this one critical point didn't exist.

tic tac

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, December 11, 2018 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://w ww. youtube.com/watch ?v=VapBcctXQcU (edited to be readable but not load)

14:51
So Bill, is there a breaking point for some Republican lawmakers?
14:55
I talked to one Senator who said there would be IF MULLER WERE TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF AN ACTUAL CONSPIRACY BETWEEN TRUMP AND THE RUSSIANS, if they were to document collusion for example ...

They wasted 48 minutes of my life fluffing and primping each other's .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. wet dream and pretending this one critical point didn't exist.

tic tac

Which Fluffer is this Bill?

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Instead of looking at a dumb little wish list that Fox News puts out about her, I thought I'd do a little digging and see what this is all about.

Well, a keen investigative mind like yourself will no doubt get to the bottom of this far better than anyone else!

Stooge. Seriously, what a dope.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:07 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Sorry, no. I did look for a better breakdown, but couldn't find one. Whoever dug up the info posted in the local NYC publication - kudos to them! I suspect they had to go to their local hard-copy records to find it.

Exactly, as I've said, as you just admitted to and as jsf eluded. You posted maps that don't tell the story. I suggest you look at what I've posted again.

49 percent Hispanic, 11 percent black and 18 percent white. The Hispanic won asshole. Simple...

T

You have absolutely no evidence to back up this claim. Simple...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, December 13, 2018 4:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted:
I had to do a double take with this one.__ T
You'll love the fist part comrade kiki.__ T

URGENT! PRESIDENT TRUMP BREAKING NEWS TODAY With Katy DEC 10, 2018.

With that whole fisting action, I assumed the Troll confused you with BungBetty.