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So.... About this "Caravan"
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:29 PM
Quote:But wouldn't the image of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through be so much MORE compelling and capture so many more eyeballs? After all, fear sells!
Geezus Krist, your ignorance of how our press works is almost immeasurable... it is so naive. No wonder you think there's big Dark Hand behind it all. Like so many Dumpers, you fill in your lack of understanding with conspiracies instead of facts, instead of actual knowledge of how things work. It's so bad you would increase your understanding just by watching a bad movie about the press.
Hint: Their main job is to sell papers/magazines/eyeballs.
You seem intent on ignoring the M$M robust history of pushing government-sponsored lies, not teeny tiny little white ones but big fat juicy ones. And not once, but over and over and over again.
Shit, every "intervention" that we ever promulgated began with a blizzard of lies, and the bigger and more costly the "intervention" the bigger the blizzard. Now, tell me that that was all an "accident!" or a "coincidence" or the M$M's desire to "capture eyeballs".
And they're doing it right now, not just about the poor poor migrants/ think of the women and children! but also about RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! and now Assange/ Manafort/ RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!.
Quote:Yeah, sure.
I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.
Where?
On the M$M?
I doubt it. So .... CITES AND LINKS PLEASE.
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But wouldn't the image of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through be so much MORE compelling and capture so many more eyeballs? After all, fear sells!
Here's another example of what you don't understand about MSM. In the short time slots they have they have to tell the story as quickly as possible - visuals have to read well and quickly. Sometimes it's not the whole story (often even) but bottom line, it has to be compelling and understandable. You say you saw images "of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through." What wall, which wall? I saw a lot of images of men scrambling and running around and I think the Mexican army or police (unsure) trying to hold them at bay, and smoke or tear gas. It was chaos to my eye - I couldn't tell if they were miles from the border or right there. So you have that visual calamity and chaos versus the single frozen image of the mother wearing a Disney t-shirt with 2 kids in diapers crying and tear gas in the background. Which one is going to hit people fastest? Which one is the Drama?
You may not like or agree with the MSM (I don't necessarily either) and you may not understand why they do what they do, but hoping it would be different doesn't change it. If instead you try to understand why they operate the way they do, from their perspective - that's a much better way to actually make sense of their actions as opposed to seeing the boogey man behind every image.
Ask yourself: What would they get from The Deep State if they're all just taking orders? It's not Russia! No one's going to get poisoned. Not yet anyway. Jim Acosta is close! And how would you get them all to follow? It would be a better Pulitzer sized scoop to report about The Deep State trying to rig the news. Sorry, toots, it's flawed, it's not always right, it needs to be better, but it's the best we've got and thank god we have them.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You seem intent on ignoring the M$M robust history of pushing government-sponsored lies, not teeny tiny little white ones but big fat juicy ones. And not once, but over and over and over again.
Shit, every "intervention" that we ever promulgated began with a blizzard of lies, and the bigger and more costly the "intervention" the bigger the blizzard. Now, tell me that that was all an "accident!" or a "coincidence" or the M$M's desire to "capture eyeballs".
And they're doing it right now, not just about the poor poor migrants/ think of the women and children! but also about RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! and now Assange/ Manafort/ RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!.
You're overreacting or lying - I get bored with you exaggerating "every..." or reaching back in history, or talking about Russia so much. Pass.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yeah, sure.
I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.
Where?
On the M$M?
I doubt it. So .... CITES AND LINKS PLEASE.
"Footage" means "tv." Have you figured out how to link to a tv segment that has already aired? Lemme know and I'll do that next time.
I watch about 15 minutes of cnn some mornings to see if anything has happened, big weather, disasters, Putin has died, etc. they have an extensive world wide network of sources so they are one of the first to know if stuff has happened. I always take their reporting with a grain of salt. I sure as hell don't listen to NPR for anything except book reviews!
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:13 PM
Quote:I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess Trolls might burrow, when not hiding under a bridge.
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But wouldn't the image of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through be so much MORE compelling and capture so many more eyeballs? After all, fear sells!
Here's another example of what you don't understand about MSM. In the short time slots they have they have to tell the story as quickly as possible - visuals have to read well and quickly. Sometimes it's not the whole story (often even) but bottom line, it has to be compelling and understandable. You say you saw images "of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through." What wall, which wall? I saw a lot of images of men scrambling and running around and I think the Mexican army or police (unsure) trying to hold them at bay, and smoke or tear gas. It was chaos to my eye - I couldn't tell if they were miles from the border or right there. So you have that visual calamity and chaos versus the single frozen image of the mother wearing a Disney t-shirt with 2 kids in diapers crying and tear gas in the background. Which one is going to hit people fastest? Which one is the Drama?
You may not like or agree with the MSM (I don't necessarily either) and you may not understand why they do what they do, but hoping it would be different doesn't change it. If instead you try to understand why they operate the way they do, from their perspective - that's a much better way to actually make sense of their actions as opposed to seeing the boogey man behind every image.
Ask yourself: What would they get from The Deep State if they're all just taking orders? It's not Russia! No one's going to get poisoned. Not yet anyway. Jim Acosta is close! And how would you get them all to follow? It would be a better Pulitzer sized scoop to report about The Deep State trying to rig the news. Sorry, toots, it's flawed, it's not always right, it needs to be better, but it's the best we've got and thank god we have them.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You seem intent on ignoring the M$M robust history of pushing government-sponsored lies, not teeny tiny little white ones but big fat juicy ones. And not once, but over and over and over again.
Shit, every "intervention" that we ever promulgated began with a blizzard of lies, and the bigger and more costly the "intervention" the bigger the blizzard. Now, tell me that that was all an "accident!" or a "coincidence" or the M$M's desire to "capture eyeballs".
And they're doing it right now, not just about the poor poor migrants/ think of the women and children! but also about RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! and now Assange/ Manafort/ RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!.
You're overreacting or lying - I get bored with you exaggerating "every..." or reaching back in history, or talking about Russia so much. Pass.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yeah, sure.
I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.
Where?
On the M$M?
I doubt it. So .... CITES AND LINKS PLEASE.
"Footage" means "tv." Have you figured out how to link to a tv segment that has already aired? Lemme know and I'll do that next time.
I watch about 15 minutes of cnn some mornings to see if anything has happened, big weather, disasters, Putin has died, etc. they have an extensive world wide network of sources so they are one of the first to know if stuff has happened. I always take their reporting with a grain of salt. I sure as hell don't listen to NPR for anything except book reviews!
Now thi
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok GSTRING, how is "the M$M" playing the tear-gassing at the border?
HINT: Think of the women and children!! *SOB!*
‘These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/26/these-children-are-ba
refoot-diapers-choking-tear-gas/?noredirect=on
NYTimes article about Reuters Photojournalist's Photo of Children Fleeing Tear Gas at Border in Mexico
Quote:The wisdom of these parent units.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/world/americas/tear-gas-migrant-chi
ldren-photo.html
More later
Fake border crisis, real tear gas on children: Today's talker
It never should have come to this, to scenes of women and children running from tear gas fired by U.S. border agents.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/11/26/fake-border-crisis-r
eal-tear-gas-children-talker/2114107002/
Photographer Reveals Story Behind Viral Photo of Diapered, Barefoot Migrant Children Fleeing Tear Gas
https://people.com/politics/photographer-reveals-story-behind-images-m
igrant-children-diapers-fleeing-tear-gas-border/
Story behind photo of migrant mom, children running away from tear gas
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tear-gas-photo-of-migrant-mom-children-us
-mexico-border-reuters-photographer-kim-kyung-hoon/
Trump defends use of 'very safe' tear gas on migrant children
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-tear-gas-migr
ants-20181126-story.html
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Pictures of a woman and two children, cycled ENDLESSLY through the M$M echo-chamber. But what about all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents? Not in the "free press" news??
Oh, lookee, a bunch of the violent Criminals that we've been traveling with are assaulting (meaning with Assault Weapons - better start Registering all of those rocks and bottles) the Armed Border Patrol Agents, so let's go join with them so we can be teargassed also! Yeah!
The argument that these children would not be better off separated from these adults begins to wither.
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Sunday, December 2, 2018 12:13 AM
Joe BiteMe already announced in 2014 that Illegal Aliens are American Citizens to him.
How does this remain buried?
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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:26 AM
Quote:This bodes ill for California!
Nearly Two Thirds of Non-Citizen Households on Welfare
Another day, another revelation as the great fleecing of the U.S. taxpayer continues unabated. A Center for Immigration Studies review* of U.S. Census Bureau data reveals a stunning 63% of households in the U.S. headed by non-citizens are on some form of welfare. That’s just shy of two out of every three proving to be a burden to the American people. So much for the lie that massive immigration enriches our nation.
Dead Weight
The information CIS uncovered is infuriating in a number of ways. The 63% figure is almost twice the rate of native-headed American households that use welfare, which is a disturbingly high 35% as it is. But non-citizen households (45%) also utilize food programs at a much higher rate than natives (21%), and disproportionately tap into Medicaid programs as well (50% vs. 23%).
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The most telling statistic in the review, however, is that welfare use rises among non-citizens the longer they are in our country.
“Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent,” CIS discovered.
Rather than serving as a temporary safety net, our welfare programs are proving to be a lifestyle staple for non-citizens sponging off the American taxpayer. Of course, many of these non-citizens do work, but they are low-skilled Hispanics from Central America laboring at poverty-level jobs. A 2015 CIS report found that 67% of households headed by immigrant farm workers are on public assistance of some form. Swollen-eyed Big Ag industrial farmers crying out about the need to find workers willing to do “the jobs Americans won’t do” are in fact having their cheap payrolls subsidized by the welfare programs of this nation.
Bitter Factors
At a time when native-born Americans are working long hours with less vacation time and fewer benefits, we are being forced to carry the millstone of foreign squatters on our backs. Massive immigration has led to overcrowded cities and towns, aggravating traffic congestion that leads to an even more draining daily commute for Americans just so we can we have the privilege of having our wages heavily taxed to financially support the very same invaders who are making our work day more exhausting. This is madness.
Immigrants also suppress wages, especially for low-skilled workers, so that 35% figure of natives utilizing some form of welfare may be so high in part due to the fact that the non-citizens abusing our welfare programs are also making it impossible for a portion of our citizen population to find decent-paying jobs. Thus non-native interlopers are increasing the welfare burden beyond just what they actively take for themselves.
The Trump administration’s Department of Homeland Security has released a draft proposal to prevent immigration by those who are likely to be a public burden on the American people. This new CIS report overwhelmingly confirms the urgent need for such a policy. Anyone opposing this sane safeguard through hollow accusations of “racism” or self-serving pleas for cheap labor is an enemy to the American working man and woman. And we will remember them for it.
https://www.libertynation.com/nearly-two-thirds-of-non-citizen-househo
lds-on-welfare/
*The original report of the study is here:
Quote:
63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on December 2, 2018
Steven A. Camarota is the director of research and Karen Zeigler is a demographer at the Center.
New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program ParticNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:This bodes ill for California!
Nearly Two Thirds of Non-Citizen Households on Welfare
Another day, another revelation as the great fleecing of the U.S. taxpayer continues unabated. A Center for Immigration Studies review* of U.S. Census Bureau data reveals a stunning 63% of households in the U.S. headed by non-citizens are on some form of welfare. That’s just shy of two out of every three proving to be a burden to the American people. So much for the lie that massive immigration enriches our nation.
Dead Weight
The information CIS uncovered is infuriating in a number of ways. The 63% figure is almost twice the rate of native-headed American households that use welfare, which is a disturbingly high 35% as it is. But non-citizen households (45%) also utilize food programs at a much higher rate than natives (21%), and disproportionately tap into Medicaid programs as well (50% vs. 23%).Quote:
The most telling statistic in the review, however, is that welfare use rises among non-citizens the longer they are in our country.
“Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent,” CIS discovered.
Rather than serving as a temporary safety net, our welfare programs are proving to be a lifestyle staple for non-citizens sponging off the American taxpayer. Of course, many of these non-citizens do work, but they are low-skilled Hispanics from Central America laboring at poverty-level jobs. A 2015 CIS report found that 67% of households headed by immigrant farm workers are on public assistance of some form. Swollen-eyed Big Ag industrial farmers crying out about the need to find workers willing to do “the jobs Americans won’t do” are in fact having their cheap payrolls subsidized by the welfare programs of this nation.
Bitter Factors
At a time when native-born Americans are working long hours with less vacation time and fewer benefits, we are being forced to carry the millstone of foreign squatters on our backs. Massive immigration has led to overcrowded cities and towns, aggravating traffic congestion that leads to an even more draining daily commute for Americans just so we can we have the privilege of having our wages heavily taxed to financially support the very same invaders who are making our work day more exhausting. This is madness.
Immigrants also suppress wages, especially for low-skilled workers, so that 35% figure of natives utilizing some form of welfare may be so high in part due to the fact that the non-citizens abusing our welfare programs are also making it impossible for a portion of our citizen population to find decent-paying jobs. Thus non-native interlopers are increasing the welfare burden beyond just what they actively take for themselves.
The Trump administration’s Department of Homeland Security has released a draft proposal to prevent immigration by those who are likely to be a public burden on the American people. This new CIS report overwhelmingly confirms the urgent need for such a policy. Anyone opposing this sane safeguard through hollow accusations of “racism” or self-serving pleas for cheap labor is an enemy to the American working man and woman. And we will remember them for it.
https://www.libertynation.com/nearly-two-thirds-of-non-citizen-househo
lds-on-welfare/
*The original report of the study is here:Quote:
63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on December 2, 2018
Steven A. Camarota is the director of research and Karen Zeigler is a demographer at the Center.
New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau&#NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Wednesday, December 5, 2018 9:22 PM
Quote:What is Trump doing about California? Why is it not a high priority of his enforcement efforts?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This bodes ill for California!
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
It is Trump’s duty to enforce immigration laws for employees AND employers, but he is not doing the employer part his duty. I am amazed that Trump voters in California do not get angry at Trump for that failure.
Obviously illegal immigrants are not the only ones breaking the law when it comes to their employment in the United States. Employers that use them (whether it be for cheaper labor, or any other purpose) are also likely breaking the law, especially if they know that they are employing someone without an authorization to live and work in the United States. The relevant legislation is the Immigration and Nationality Act, and in particular Section 274A that deals with "The Unlawful Employment of Aliens." If every single business in the U.S. complied with this law and refused to employ illegal immigrants, there likely would not be any illegal immigration into the country, as very few people willingly move to a place where they would have no income.
www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2017/07/13/how-to-deal-with-employe
r-compliance-and-u-s-immigration-law/
California would be the perfect place for Trump to easily carry out his duty because the illegal immigrant workers are concentrated in California. Why is Trump failing to perform his duty in California? How does he convince Trump voters not to be angry at him? The California governor can’t stop Trump, but Trump has stopped Trump from enthusiastically enforcing the law against employers of illegal aliens.
Nearly one in ten California workers is an undocumented immigrant. California’s labor force includes about 1.75 million undocumented immigrants. This is the second-highest statewide concentration of undocumented workers (9.0%) in the US after Nevada (10.4%). Undocumented immigrants work disproportionately in agriculture, construction, and manufacturing.
In 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population.
www.ppic.org/publication/undocumented-immigrants-in-california/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, December 6, 2018 11:16 AM
Quote:
Why is it not a high priority of his enforcement efforts?
Uh puhleez!
Can you say "sanctuary state"?
"Blue state"?
Sure you can!
California doesn't WANT Trump's "help". Hell, if I were Prezdent, I wouldn't help California either! I'd just let California stew in it's own politically-correct juices and watch it slowly go broke as it tries to "help" millions of illegal aliens who aren't adding to the tax base! Seriously. Stupid decisions should have consequences ... why should I expect Trump to save us from ourselves? Because we'd be so grateful?
If illegal immigration is such a boon for the economy (as you claim) then CA will be the living experiment. We will fall or rise based on our "reading" of reality, and other people can learn from our success or failure.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:52 PM
Priority 1: Keep them out now and in the future.
Priority 2: No more anchor babies.
Priority 3: End all financial support for non-citizens, including education and healthcare.
Priority 4: Enforce laws that already exist to ensure that they can't make any money under the table.
Priority 5: Won't even be necessary. There will be no reason to start kicking anybody out because they will willingly leave on their own when there is nothing for them here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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