Kavanaugh ... now what?
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Quote:The country was completely crazy from 1966 going forward. Heard of Vietnam? Watergate? If those real world fiascos and the stupidity surrounding them couldn't keep Nixon from being re-elected in 1972, what words could Democratic politicians say that could stop the crazy people from re-electing Trump? People who actually voted for Nixon are still around, and they learned nothing, understood nothing, while Nixon was in office. It was just an absolute fluke that Nixon quit because he knew there was something wrong in his head. If Nixon had fought back, his supporters would have stayed with him. Those actual Nixon voters breed a new generation of Trump voters who are like their parents and grandparents. They will stay with Trump if he fights back.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not talking about Trump.
I'm talking about you. I'm talking about me.
I'm talking about how we keep this fucking country from going crazy and devolving into Civil War.
Quote:Are Trump voters seriously considering not voting for Trump a second time? But only if Democratic politicians stop opposing Trump’s decisions? (I’m pretty sure Trump has several more weirdos he wants on the Supreme Court, all of them now serving on the Federal bench, as was Kavanaugh.)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Everything. Every single thing that has happened in the last two years is the fault of the Democrats, and how their party has been co-opted by the extreme Authoritarian Left.
NONE of this would have happened in a GWB world, because there was a system of checks and balances between the parties.
2016 through 2018 just happened. The November elections will likely be much more of the same.
So.... now what for the Democrats?
Are you going to regain some of your sanity, find your way, and throw the "reaverfans" out of your party?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don’t think Democrats should change themselves to please Trump voters, to get them to switch sides. I don’t think Democrats can change themselves enough to make a Trump voter switch and, most importantly, stay switched for two or more elections in a row. Why change horses (or Trump) in midstream? The ultimate campaign slogan says precisely that: “Why change Dicks in the middle of a screw? Nixon in 72!” That was a winner for Nixon and the slogan was used only by Democrats.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Are Trump voters seriously considering not voting for Trump a second time? But only if Democratic politicians stop opposing Trump’s decisions?
I didn't say anything about Trump.
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I don’t think Democrats should change themselves to please Trump voters, to get them to switch sides.
I agree
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I don’t think Democrats can change themselves enough to make a Trump voter switch and, most importantly, stay switched for two or more elections in a row.
You need to stop looking at this is a Trump thing, or about "Trump Voters".
A lot of people who voted for Trump are independents and even former Liberals that had enough with the Democratic Party as it is in 2016 onward.
How many? I don't know. But as you like to bring up often, Trump lost the popular vote.
The Democratic Party doesn't need to change so much that it would steal 60 Million votes away from Trump in 2020.
It would absolutely destroy Trump if it stopped being the party of division though.
As I've said many times before, it needs to throw away identity politics as a message. You seem to be getting this. You're the only person in here with negative things to say about Kavanaugh that were based off of facts instead of feels.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Are Trump voters seriously considering not voting for Trump a second time? But only if Democratic politicians stop opposing Trump’s decisions?
I didn't say anything about Trump.Quote:
I don’t think Democrats should change themselves to please Trump voters, to get them to switch sides.
I agreeQuote:
I don’t think Democrats can change themselves enough to make a Trump voter switch and, most importantly, stay switched for two or more elections in a row.
You need to stop looking at this is a Trump thing, or about "Trump Voters".
A lot of people who voted for Trump are independents and even former Liberals that had enough with the Democratic Party as it is in 2016 onward.
How many? I don't know. But as you like to bring up often, Trump lost the popular vote.
The Democratic Party doesn't need to change so much that it would steal 60 Million votes away from Trump in 2020.
It would absolutely destroy Trump if it stopped being the party of division though.
As I've said many times before, it needs to throw away identity politics as a message. You seem to be getting this. You're the only person in here with negative things to say about Kavanaugh that were based off of facts instead of feels.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'm gonna read your mind and tell you what is going inside there based upon what I know about real people who think the Democrats should "Throw away identity politics". They hate identity politics because they hate those separate identities. They think everybody should strive to be as similar as their psychology allows and everybody has got the same history and problems, approximately, taken from a curated and approved list that all humans have in common. They don't want to know about your odd language, your accented English, your peculiar culture, your crazy family, your religion, your unique problems, your idiosyncratic goals. They think Americans should have a common purpose that we can all agree on. They want everybody to strive to become Bland-Americans, no other kind of hyphenated-American. Democrats are not gonna throw away Identity Politics to please white Americans that hate those identities like they hate niggers, or chinks, or gooks, or spicks, or mex-skins, or queers, or dykes, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Muslims, or foreigners, or Liberals, or what-have-yous.
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Quote:Once again, you're arguing with the voices in your head. That's a REALLY bad habit which promotes a tremendous amount of misunderstanding and ill-will, and I wonder why you - or ANYone- would do that here.
I'm gonna read your mind and tell you what is going inside there based upon what I know about real people who think the Democrats should "Throw away identity politics".
Quote:The funny thing is, I see a lot of people on the so-called "left" who feel the same way. They're all about tolerance, until someone tells them that they voted for Trump, or that their religion dictates that being gay is wrong, or that Americans should have a common identity, or that they want and need manufacturing jobs, or that men are indeed different than women, or that Russia is a rival not an enemy ...
They hate identity politics because they hate those separate identities. They think everybody should strive to be as similar as their psychology allows and everybody has got the same history and problems, approximately, taken from a curated and approved list that all humans have in common. They don't want to know about your odd language, your accented English, your peculiar culture, your crazy family, your religion, your unique problems, your idiosyncratic goals.
NOPE! Once somebody brings up a problem or identity or goal that is off the LIBERAL'S curated list (and BTW it's liberals who're always talking about their "curated" lives, not Trump supporters) tolerance goes right out the window and violence becomes the accepted response. Just look at the slavering liberals here.
Quote:Having a common purpose doesn't mean being bland.
They think Americans should have a common purpose that we can all agree on. They want everybody to strive to become Bland-Americans, no other kind of hyphenated-American.
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In order to have a functioning society ...
Wait. You DO want a functioning society, don't you, SECOND?
Oh, that's right: YOU DON'T. I don't have to "read your mind" because you said so yourself:
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
THEREFORE, ANYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT COMMON IDENTITY OR IDENTITY POLITICS IS SUSPECT.
You're really not prepared to argue the idea of common goals based on its merits, because such a concept is antithetical to your wealth. Therefore, IMHO we should simply ignore anything you have to say on the topic.
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Back to a common identity.
In order to have a functioning society, we have to recognize that we are all part of a common project here.
Notice that I didn't say that we have to "believe" that we're part of a common project, but that we have to RECOGNIZE that fact. Because, like it or not, we're stuck with each other. We're not "citizens of the world" ... there's no such thing, unless you can show me the voting booth where I voted for "world leader".
NOPE! We're citizens of the United States. We're bound by USA laws, our Constitution, our system of government. Our Federal taxes go to the same place, our economy is bounded by the same border, we contribute to the same military, our environment is protected by the same laws.
Like it or not, we have to make this project work; HOPEFULLY we can make this project work acceptably for everybody. THAT is the nature of our common identity. It doesn't mean that we have to be bland (SECOND, you say such stupid shit) but we DO have to figure out how this place is supposed to function, and what our part is.
The problem that I have with "identity politics" is that the victim-groups aren't concerned with making this place work for EVERYBODY, they simply want to make this place work FOR THEMSELVES. Do "black lives matter" more, or less, than anyone else's? Are "women's rights" different than men's? Are "men's rights" different than women's?
Once splinter-groups start framing their goals as being EXCLUSIVE to them, they turn rights into PRIVILEGE, where my rights mean your oppression. But "rights" aren't a zero-sum game ... at least, not in a system of equality.
So one problem with identity politics is that it turns us into a bunch of hate-filled children fighting over a cookie. Where does that get us? Nowhere, IMHO.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You Democrats just gave the GOP their long time wet dream in the Supreme Court.
I'm not a Dem, fart head. MATH and the GOP - the people who wouldn't stop to p*ss on your shoes if they were on fire - gave all of US Kavanaugh. You're too busy worrying about who's calling you names to see anything larger.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just think about how much worse it could be if Donald Trump was at least a little likable.
I mean REALLY think about that one.
I'd rather think about reality - ever think about that? I mean REALLY think about that one?
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Quote:The reality is that nationalist/populist leaders are springing up all over the world. They're on the right AND the left .. Orban in Hungary, Duterte in the Philippines, Kurz in Austria, Farage in the UK, Trump in the USA, LePen in France, Wilders in the Nederlands, even Bolsonaro in Brazil (people would have voted for Lula, if he had been allowed to run). There are at least a dozen more examples.
Rather think about reality - ever think about that? I mean REALLY think about that one.- GSTRING
Some are more competent than others, some are clowns (literally, Beppo Grillo in Italy).
What this tells me is that the old order is breaking down under a combination of disgust with corruption of the "establishment" parties, overburdening of debt, and mass migration. Most people would tolerate various deficiencies if their economies were OK, but international economies are breaking down; so I suspect that a lot of this is rooted in 2008.
What does this have to do with "now what"?
The Democratic Party HAS to address the economy, that's what. And I don't mean the "economy" of handouts, I mean the economy of production, consumption, and jobs.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Signym, I've read hundreds of thousands of words you have written and you have proven to be full of shit. Who knows where you got such a high opinion of yourself (maybe it is all pretend and make believe with you) because whatever those sterling qualities you think you possess and those real world accomplishments of yours that you imagine we believe in, you have not displayed them here at fff.net. As far as anyone can truly tell, you are not the real thing. Moving on to something provable and very real:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Once again, you're arguing with the voices in your head. That's a REALLY bad habit which promotes a tremendous amount of misunderstanding and ill-will, and I wonder why you - or ANYone- would do that here.
FBI Director Christopher Wray, installed after Trump fired James Comey for refusing to limit the scope of the Russia investigation, said and did nothing as the White House ordered limits on a reopened background check of Kavanaugh.
The bureau agreed not to interview Kavanaugh or Christine Blasey Ford, who accused him of sexually assaulting her, or to respond to many people stepping forward with new information. They agreed not to follow up on possible lies Kavanaugh is accused of telling in his Senate testimony. And they made other concessions unknown to the public or even Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
According to the New York Times’s reporting, White House lawyer Don McGahn made sure relevant questions went deliberately unexplored because, he believed, “a wide-ranging inquiry like some Democrats were demanding — and Mr. Trump was suggesting — would be potentially disastrous for Judge Kavanaugh’s chances of confirmation to the Supreme Court.”
At the end of the one-week deadline, the FBI handed a document to Congress that didn’t seek to clarify seriously the veracity of the accusations against Kavanaugh, but its existence gave Republicans the cover they wanted to back him anyway.
The upshot is that the independent FBI established after Watergate and whose existence everyone reaffirmed during Wray’s confirmation process is now dead. Other senior FBI leaders have already been purged, and Trump has made it clear that he has no compunction about ordering further purges.
Kavanaugh’s appointment to the Supreme Court dealt a serious blow to the integrity of the Court — and the implications of how he got there go well beyond the Court to the entire legal order at the FBI.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/8/17947614/kavanaugh-fbi-inves
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SECOND, you claim I'm full of shit but you have not been able to engage in a single on-point discussion. So you resort to insult.
YOU said you were reading SIXs mind, not me. Your basically use that as an mechanism for insulting people and not responding to their points
So, Kavanaugh.
Now what?
Do we come together, or continue to pointlessly beat each other over the head?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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