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Kavanaugh ... now what?

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SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2018 10:59 AM

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Neither of you have brought up what most Patriotic Americans are opposed to. You support Congress enacting Unconstitutional Laws in order to prove they can do so again. The Constitution protected the States, and the Individuals, from the overburdensome and omnipotent Federal Government, and it's minions, the Beureaucrats. Having unrestrained unelected creations like IRS, FBI, CIA, EPA are what you cheer for, and you wish that these, unrecognized by The Constitution, could shred the Founding Documents by overruling Officers Recognized by The Constitution such as The President.

That you cheer on the likes of Rosenstein and his wife, Lois Lerner, Susan Rice, John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Mueller, and all the other Criminals of the Deep State merely exposes you.

Oh fer chrissakes, now YOU'RE arguing with the voices in your head? It seems to me that I've taken no small amount of criticism and being called a "Russian troll" BECAUSE I was criticizing Rosenstein, Brennan, Muller etc etc etc. Have you not been reading my posts for the last ... oh .... year and a half??

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You disagree with Facts?
You rely solely upon Libtard Maths?
What?
Forbes reports the wealthiest 400 for 2018 are only worth a combined $2.88 Trillion.
The remaining 206 Billionaires rack up approximately another $280 Billion, for a subtotal of $3.16 Trillion for the top 606. BLS reports the Civilian Population under 260 Million. 1% would be 2.6 Million. All except the top 606 with less than a Billion.

Again, are you arguing with the voices in your head? Did I not JUST post It's not enuf to "tax the rich" because the money that the rich have was created out of thin air, it means nothing and can disappear in an instant in a financial meltdown?

It's not the part about "taxing the rich" not being enough to fill government coffers that I disagree with, it's where you posted

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and meanwhile there would no longer be an Economy, no Jobs, no Productivity, no services, and no reserves to restart any of that.

that I have a problem with.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2018 11:30 AM

So, on to Federal powers and the 10th Amendment.

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In sum, the Constitution’s Framers thought that a bill of rights was appropriate for an unlimited government, but not for a limited one like the national government created by the Constitution. The Constitution accordingly sought to secure liberty through enumerations of powers to the government rather than through enumerations of rights to the people.

The Tenth Amendment’s simple language—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”—emphasizes that the inclusion of a bill of rights does not change the fundamental character of the national government. It remains a government of limited and enumerated powers, so that the first question involving an exercise of federal power is not whether it violates someone’s rights, but whether it exceeds the national government’s enumerated powers. Nonetheless, beginning in 1976, a line of cases has emerged that seems to give substantive constitutional content to the Tenth Amendment. In 1986, in Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, a narrow majority of the Supreme Court held that a city was required to comply with federal labor laws, and that state sovereignty interests should be protected by the participation of states in the national political process, rather than by judicially-enforced principles of federalism. However, while Garcia has never been explicitly overruled, in subsequent cases the Court has indeed found judicially-enforceable limits on the power of the federal government to regulate states (and their political subdivisions) directly. So it is now meaningful to speak of “Tenth Amendment doctrine.” Those cases all involve action by the federal government that in some way regulates or commands state governments, such as by telling states what policies they must adopt, New York v. United States (1992), forcing state or local executive officials to implement federal laws, Printz v. United States (1997), or conditioning the states’ acceptance of federal money on compliance with certain conditions, South Dakota v. Dole (1987). Interestingly, the Tenth Amendment has not been invoked by the Court to protect individual citizens against the exercise of federal power.

Whether the Tenth Amendment actually is, or ought to be, serving as an independent source of constitutional principles of federalism is a matter of great controversy, both on and off the Court. Do these “Tenth Amendment” cases really involve the Tenth Amendment, or do they simply interpret (or perhaps misinterpret) specific grants of federal power in light of certain principles codified in the Tenth Amendment, but present in the Constitution’s structure and design even before the Bill of Rights was ratified?

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/ame
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ENUMERATED POWERS

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and O

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, October 7, 2018 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Neither of you have brought up what most Patriotic Americans are opposed to. You support Congress enacting Unconstitutional Laws in order to prove they can do so again. The Constitution protected the States, and the Individuals, from the overburdensome and omnipotent Federal Government, and it's minions, the Beureaucrats. Having unrestrained unelected creations like IRS, FBI, CIA, EPA are what you cheer for, and you wish that these, unrecognized by The Constitution, could shred the Founding Documents by overruling Officers Recognized by The Constitution such as The President.

That you cheer on the likes of Rosenstein and his wife, Lois Lerner, Susan Rice, John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Mueller, and all the other Criminals of the Deep State merely exposes you.
Oh fer chrissakes, now YOU'RE arguing with the voices in your head? It seems to me that I've taken no small amount of criticism and being called a "Russian troll" BECAUSE I was criticizing Rosenstein, Brennan, Muller etc etc etc. Have you not been reading my posts for the last ... oh .... year and a half??
Quote:
You disagree with Facts?
You rely solely upon Libtard Maths?
What?
Forbes reports the wealthiest 400 for 2018 are only worth a combined $2.88 Trillion.
The remaining 206 Billionaires rack up approximately another $280 Billion, for a subtotal of $3.16 Trillion for the top 606. BLS reports the Civilian Population under 260 Million. 1% would be 2.6 Million. All except the top 606 with less than a Billion.

Again, are you arguing with the voices in your head? Did I not JUST post It's not enuf to "tax the rich" because the money that the rich have was created out of thin air, it means nothing and can disappear in an instant in a financial meltdown?

It's not the part about "taxing the rich" not being enough to fill government coffers that I disagree with, it's where you posted
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and meanwhile there would no longer be an Economy, no Jobs, no Productivity, no services, and no reserves to restart any of that.
that I have a problem with.

And with all of the money gone, where would the money come from, to restart any of that?
You are hoping Putin and China will buy America for cheap? Is that your solution?

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:20 PM

Double fucking standard, typical.

Hey Jewels,

Where's your outrageous indignation now? Here it is Sigs creates another thread on the Kavanaugh debacle and not a peep from you about unnecessarily
duplicating threads?

WTF gives!?

sgg

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What can democrats do ... it depends on the tools at their disposal, and whether or not they get their act together.

Looking at the polls, the 'democratic' party lead has shrunk significantly, from double digits to single digits in many cases, even low single digits. But assuming the leads, while narrow, have solidified, democrats may gain control of the House. That puts them in position to be the Party of No. Last time they were in that position (in the Senate, led by the forgettable marshmallow Harry Reid), they forgot to put on their big-boy pants. Party discipline was non-existent, and worse, they didn't have a message about what they stood for, and that they were there for us. As a result, they looked like whipped dogs trying to figure out how not to get kicked. Their tenure was an abysmal failure.

ETA: Even if they don't gain a single majority anywhere, democrats have the power of words. This would be the perfect opportunity for democrats to formulate their message.
You really believe Dems will erase a 43 Seat majority of the GoP?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:43 PM

This thread is entirely different than the other Kavanaugh thread.

Consider it "Post Kavanaugh".

So...

now what?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, October 7, 2018 5:21 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This thread is entirely different than the other Kavanaugh thread.

Consider it "Post Kavanaugh".

So...

now what?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Supreme Court becomes another branch of the Republican Party. Trump can tell the 5 GOP justices how he wants them to rule. The calls will be secret, but those phone calls will be made. Trump will be obeyed. The GOP justices will deny that they obey Trump's will, but rather they follow only a higher power, the Constitution.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/1/17914710/brett-kavanaugh-chr
istine-blasey-ford-fox-news-trump-democrats

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 7:10 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This thread is entirely different than the other Kavanaugh thread.

Consider it "Post Kavanaugh".

So...

now what?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Supreme Court becomes another branch of the Republican Party. Trump can tell the 5 GOP justices how he wants them to rule. The calls will be secret, but those phone calls will be made. Trump will be obeyed. The GOP justices will deny that they obey Trump's will, but rather they follow only a higher power, the Constitution.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/1/17914710/brett-kavanaugh-chr
istine-blasey-ford-fox-news-trump-democrats

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm not talking about Trump.

I'm talking about you. I'm talking about me.

I'm talking about how we keep this fucking country from going crazy and devolving into Civil War.

Everything. Every single thing that has happened in the last two years is the fault of the Democrats, and how their party has been co-opted by the extreme Authoritarian Left.

NONE of this would have happened in a GWB world, because there was a system of checks and balances between the parties.

2016 through 2018 just happened. The November elections will likely be much more of the same.

So.... now what for the Democrats?

Are you going to regain some of your sanity, find your way, and throw the "reaverfans" out of your party?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, October 7, 2018 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not talking about Trump.

I'm talking about you. I'm talking about me.

I'm talking about how we keep this fucking country from going crazy and devolving into Civil War.

Everything. Every single thing that has happened in the last two years is the fault of the Democrats, and how their party has been co-opted by the extreme Authoritarian Left.

NONE of this would have happened in a GWB world, because there was a system of checks and balances between the parties.

2016 through 2018 just happened. The November elections will likely be much more of the same.

So.... now what for the Democrats?

Are you going to regain some of your sanity, find your way, and throw the "reaverfans" out of your party?

More Koolaid for table 6!

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:05 PM

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And with all of the money gone, where would the money come from, to restart any of that?
You are hoping Putin and China will buy America for cheap? Is that your solution?- JSF

Where did the money come from to begin with?

THE BANKS.

And no, it's not "savings" that they loan out, they just make their loans up out of thin air. You want a loan? POOF! Here's two extra zeros in your bank account!

That's why I posted that the money that the wealthy have is made out of thin air, because it was. And that money wasn't sunk into jobs, investment, or the economy, it was put into stock buybacks, derivatives, forex/cryptocurrency, real estate, fine art etc. And that "value" can disappear the moment the bubble on which it rides pops.

But if money was created before, more can always be created now. Only THIS time, put it into something productive.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not talking about Trump.

I'm talking about you. I'm talking about me.

I'm talking about how we keep this fucking country from going crazy and devolving into Civil War.

Everything. Every single thing that has happened in the last two years is the fault of the Democrats, and how their party has been co-opted by the extreme Authoritarian Left.

NONE of this would have happened in a GWB world, because there was a system of checks and balances between the parties.

2016 through 2018 just happened. The November elections will likely be much more of the same.

So.... now what for the Democrats?

Are you going to regain some of your sanity, find your way, and throw the "reaverfans" out of your party?

More Koolaid for table 6!

Keep laughing. All the way into a Republican super majority one day.

You Democrats just gave the GOP their long time wet dream in the Supreme Court.

Just think about how much worse it could be if Donald Trump was at least a little likable.

I mean REALLY think about that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)