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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Who's "they?"

The MSM. See Signy's post above for more details, since that's pretty much the story as I've heard it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:02 PM

Report: FBI Will Investigate Claims Kavanaugh Drugged Girls, Participated In Gang Rapes

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/report
-fbi-will-investigate-claims-kavanaugh-drugged-girls-participated-in-gang-rapes/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=BRSS&utm_campaign=Nonreligious&utm_content=367

Even if all of this isn't true, he still perjured himself multiple times. He's just not Supreme Court material, and he proved it himself.

SECOND

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:03 PM

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has tried to keep the Supreme Court above the Partisan Fray. Confirming Kavanaugh would deal “a significant blow to the perceived legitimacy and integrity of the court.”

During a case last year involving gerrymandering, John Roberts said that if the court issued a ruling that favored the Democratic Party, people would ask, “Well, why did the Democrats win?…It must be because the Supreme Court preferred the Democrats over the Republicans.” A partisan reputation, he insisted, “is going to cause very serious harm to the status and integrity of the decisions of this court in the eyes of the country.” Since his appointment as chief justice in 2005, Roberts has also expressed concern that “partisan hostility” during Supreme Court confirmation hearings threatens the court’s integrity.

It was hard not to wonder what he was thinking during Thursday’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing, when the most vocal partisan hostility was coming from the nominee himself, Brett Kavanaugh. John Roberts has done quite a bit to try to lift up the institution as a fair and neutral place to bring claims. Kavanaugh’s partisan outburst during his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee has raised the possibility that Congress will confirm the most openly politically biased Supreme Court justice in modern history. His addition to the court threatens to undermine public confidence in an institution already struggling under criticism that it’s a captured agency, dancing to special-interest tunes.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/10/john-roberts-has-tried-to-keep-th
e-supreme-court-above-the-partisan-fray-kavanaugh-could-undo-all-that/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:06 PM

Feinstein hits back at GOP: I didn’t leak Ford letter
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409369-feinstein-hits-back-at-gop-
i-didnt-leak-ford-letter

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Simple, politics aside, attempted rape aside, Kavanaugh neither represents someone who tells the truth or has the temperament to warrant a seat on the Supreme Court. How many times he lied I can't say but it's a lot.

T

Do you have examples of these lies?

I'm not going to judge the man on his temperment because of anything that happened in the investigation itself. The extreme Leftists and the MSM have tried to destroy his life in the last few weeks.

There has been no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part, yet there are opinion pieces like this that are saying that he shouldn't be allowed to coach his daughter's basketball team anymore: https://usatodayhss.com/2018/is-brett-kavanaugh-right-that-he-can-no-l
onger-coach-girls-basketball

Yup. You nailed it in your Op-Ed, Mr. Brady. Connect the dots and because somebody was accused of sexual misconduct 30+ years ago with no evidence to support it, he must be a pedophile as well.

THIS type of stuff is why the Leftists will lose and the Moral Panic is about to end. The claims will only continue to get further and further outrageous and on the fringe until the independent voters and the center-left turn their backs on the extreme. We'll continue to see more examples of this happening as the claims progressively get wilder.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:12 PM

Legal Experts: New Text Messages Show Kavanaugh Might Have Tampered with Witness
https://lawandcrime.com/politics/legal-experts-new-text-messages-show-
kavanaugh-might-have-tampered-with-witness/

A spokesman for Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee Chairman, dismissed the texts as a political ploy by Democrats. George Hartmann said “the texts from Ms. Berchem do not appear relevant or contradictory to Judge Kavanaugh’s testimony.”

You can show irrefutable evidence, and they will just ignore it. I'm only surprised that the spokesman didn't cry fake news.

All The Lies Brett Kavanaugh Told
The Supreme Court nominee fibbed throughout his entire confirmation hearing. Republicans don’t seem to care.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-lies_us_5bb26190e
4b027da00d61fcd

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:54 PM

JUST SO SHINY sees this ..

*****

Quote:
Quote:
This is dead on socio-political commentary...few see it for what it is, while others need it expalined: It is the Rape/Silencing of Justice, mighty powerful message T.- GUY
Oh GUY, one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

But I see different messages in there ... unintentional ones, but there nonetheless

1) An orchestrated effort to rile people up, and
2) GUILTY!!!
(until proven innocent)

Both subliminal messages are dangerous. I hope you see that.

******

Once upon a time, I had a personality test done at work; it was for us to understand our personalities and approaches in the hope that we would work better together, and one aspect of my personality is that I like to consider ALL possibilities before making a decision. I think that is why I'm one of the people here saying ... Don't rush to judgment ... which it seems MOST people are intent on doing. But IMHO as long as there are equally-possible scenarios which explain events and EVIDENCE doesn't definitively point us in one direction or another then we should withhold judgment until better information comes along. For example there are women who said that Kavanaugh did (or may have) sexually assaulted them, but there are people who were there - pointed out as witnesses or friends by the self-proclaimed victims - who said HUH?? I don't even know you or I don't remember any such thing.

How to account for these accusations - and lack of corroboration?

Well, it DOES seem that there was a lot of drinking going on. That's one thing that people agree on. So it's very possible that these things happened, but unless they happened TO YOU, nobody would notice or remember out of sheer drunkneness. Possibly these events happened but the witnesses were also complicit, or don't want to get tainted/involved, and are backing away from the story.

It's also possible that the victims simply mis-remember; even THEIR memories are fragmentary, and piecing together fragile impressions warps them in some way (See FALSE MEMORY) especially if you combine it with a ideological motivation to put someone's face in the picture as the attacker. Or maybe the self-proclaimed victims are looking to make money or are attention-seeking.

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

There's ONE thing that I wouldn't rely on, however... people who "talked about" an event but who didn't witness it PERSONALLY. Unless YOU WERE THERE or there was a POLICE REPORT filed, hearsay shouldn't count.

I know how stories can run like wildfire and get completely overblown in the process; seen it happen at work and the inet only makes it worse.

In fact, I have a funny story about that. Maybe later.

******

And now for the funny story.

I did something at work that could have gotten me in hot water. I was talking with a guy, let's call him YYYY, in another department about how rumors can spread with NOTHING behind them because he was saying that with so many rumors about *** that there must be something behind them.

So I bet him that I could start a rumor about HIM. Now, you have to realize that this was one straight-laced guy. He was married, always talked about his family, worked hard at work and was very concerned about doing the job right, did at lot at home (he said), never drank to excess that I saw or heard of, never even swore that I heard (said "gosh" in private conversation when I might have said something stronger), never made a pass at anyone ... And just to add to the straightlaced impression that others had of him, he was Japanese, which many people interpret as being particularly polite

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I should be saying congratulations to you. Of the 5 regulars of this thread on the left, you're the second one to come at Kavanaugh with legitimate beef instead of moral panic. I'm actually kind of surprised that SGG hasn't abandoned that before you did.

I'm a little surprised at the fact that Second never seemed to buy into it all that much himself. That might not be because he never believed the stories, but he realized that this is a tactic that is not going to work for the Democrats and is going to likely end up doing more harm for them than good.

There's word that there will be an investigation into how this was handled, and how the information was leaked. I'd be more than a little worried about that if I was Feinstein. Unlike a 30+ year old rape investigation that has no corroborating witnesses, this would have happened only a few months back and there will be plenty of electronic evidence of it taking place if it did.

I'm glad Ford is going to get 3/4 of a million dollars at this point. Her family shouldn't have to pay for any security costs either. The Dems in power shamelessly used her and put her in that position. If the investigation shows wrong doing, those involved should be removed from their positions immediately, and the Ford's security costs should be paid for out of their pensions.

The stupid crap you post.

THG

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 10:03 PM

Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

T

SECOND

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 10:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, why use logic and data? It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans, so nothing you write makes any difference. Republicans don’t care if Kavanaugh is guilty because they don’t think what he did was wrong. He says he didn’t do it; his allies say it’s no big deal if he did.

On its face, his nomination should have died at the end of his testimony. But it didn’t, in part because of blind partisanship, but more importantly because of what was revealed in an NPR/Marist poll taken before he testified: 54 percent of Republicans believe Kavanaugh should be confirmed whether or not he is guilty of the sexual assault allegations against him. That 54% translates into 100% of GOP Senators, perhaps minus one or two for idiosyncratic reasons.

Neither Kavanaugh himself nor the senators on the Judiciary Committee have pressed this argument squarely that they don't care what happened. But it’s pretty clear that a key driver of pro-Kavanaugh sentiment from the grassroots to the White House and, likely, to Kavanaugh himself is simply a conviction that what Ford said he did is not seriously wrong.

Kevin Cramer (R-ND), currently a candidate for US Senate, is one of the few to actually say what conservatives largely seem to think about this: that since Ford got away, it’s essentially a “no harm, no foul” situation. Cramer called the Kavanaugh accusation "absurd" because they were drunk and assault attempt "never went anywhere."

CNN ran a telling segment featuring Republicans who simultaneously maintained that Ford’s accusations were an outrageous smear campaign and that Kavanaugh is merely accused of doing things that every boy does.

More about which movies the GOP got their ideas from at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/2/17915284/kavanaugh-guilty-re
publicans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:02 PM

Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?

Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?

Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans

It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?
Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?

Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans
It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

You are not just a little bit wrong, Signym. I don't see him as guilty of a 35 year old crime. But Kavanaugh did make a decision last week to handle these allegations from day one with angry denials and weird dissembling. Kavanaugh made statements highly hostile toward all Democrats in general, while Chief Justice John Roberts wants his court to be non-partisan. The future Justice Kavanaugh could be making angry denials and weird dissembling about his written Supreme Court opinions when he is accused in the future of being highly partisan instead of highly learned about law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 1:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

T

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I find the tactics that the Dems are using to delay and obstruct the process quite inventive, considering that they don't have the vote. Aside from the constant shouting from the gallery, the Dems have managed to ...

Demand endless reams of paperwork from Kavanaugh's history in the Bush WH,
Delay allegations of sexual misconduct until VERY late in the process,
Then demand a public hearing,
And then change their stance and demand a "full FBI investigation" as soon as a public hearing was acceded to.

Now, I have no idea whether the allegations are true or false. (But if we were to follow THUGR's stance of letting Clinton's bygones be bygones, I suppose we could let this 30-year old allegation also be lost in the mists of history. Right?)

But I'd be willing to bet SOME dollars that if you were to look into this professor's activities, you'd find her working with Democratic Senators in the past six months or so, working out the timing and tactics for maximum effect.

BRAVO!

I don't know if anybody pointed out in this thread, referencing the above OP, but she has spent her and hole life working as a Democrap Activist, and then spending the past months scrubbing her social media to hide these facts.

THG

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

The dummy speaks. As I said, lies and in this case delusion.
T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?
Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?
Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans
It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

One thing has provided some clarity to those who weren't paying attention before.

Judge Kavanaugh is certainly guilty of Colluding with the biggest Enemy the Democraps have! He is an ardent follower of, and believer in, The Constitution, and Democraps have no greater Enemy than The Constitution. He is an unabashed Constitutionalist, and for that reason alone had to weather the insidious wrath of Despicable Democraps.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

The dummy speaks. As I said, lies and in this case delusion.
T

:)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:04 AM

If liberaloids want to engage in mudslinging, here's some mud...

Quote:
Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-
savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex
And that's not counting the restraining order that her ex-lover had to take out against her, or her lawsuit situation with her former employer. Or the disastrous MSNBC interview which only elicited massive disbelief.

Quote:
Blasey Ford's Kavanaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/blasey-fords-kavinaugh-testi
mony-unravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims
She said far too many things in her statement that just don't wash.

Quote:
More Holes Appear As Records Raise Questions About Ford's Double-Door Story

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/more-holes-appear-records-ra
ise-questions-about-fords-double-door-story

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NBC "A Co-Conspirator In The Destruction Of Kavanaugh" According To Lindsey Graham

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/nbc-co-conspirator-destructi
on-kavanaugh-according-lindsey-graham
NOTHING that Swetnick alleged could be corroborated by NBC, but they ran the interview anyway? The M$M is its own worst enemy.

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Kavanaugh Carnival Continues: Exposing Ford's Paper On "Creating Artificial Memories"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-carnival-continues
-exposing-fords-paper-creating-artificial-memories

Quote:
"Hero" Survivors Who Confronted Jeff Flake Work For Soros-Funded Nonprofit
But one thing the progressive press hasn't reported is that the two young women weren't merely concerned citizens speaking truth to power. The reality is that Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher are both professional political activists employed by the Center for Popular Democracy.
And guess who finances the CPD?
That's right...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/hero-survivors-who-confronte
d-jeff-flake-work-soros-funded-nonprofit

Quote:
FBI Interviews Three Kavanaugh Witnesses Who Don't Remember Ford's Mystery Groping Party

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/fbi-interviews-three-kavanau
gh-witnesses-who-dont-remember-fords-mystery-groping

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If liberaloids want to engage in mudslinging, here's some mud...

Quote:
Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-
savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex
And that's not counting the restraining order that her ex-lover had to take out against her, or her lawsuit situation with her former employer. Or the disastrous MSNBC interview which only elicited massive disbelief.

Quote:
Blasey Ford's Kavanaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/blasey-fords-kavinaugh-testi
mony-unravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims
She said far too many things in her statement that just don't wash.

Quote:
More Holes Appear As Records Raise Questions About Ford's Double-Door Story

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/more-holes-appear-records-ra
ise-questions-about-fords-double-door-story

Quote:
NBC "A Co-Conspirator In The Destruction Of Kavanaugh" According To Lindsey Graham

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/nbc-co-conspirator-destructi
on-kavanaugh-according-lindsey-graham
NOTHING that Swetnick alleged could be corroborated by NBC, but they ran the interview anyway? The M$M is its own worst enemy.

Quote:
Kavanaugh Carnival Continues: Exposing Ford's Paper On "Creating Artificial Memories"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-carnival-continues
-exposing-fords-paper-creating-artificial-memories

Quote:
"Hero" Survivors Who Confronted Jeff Flake Work For Soros-Funded Nonprofit
But one thing the progressive press hasn't reported is that the two young women weren't merely concerned citizens speaking truth to power. The reality is that Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher are both professional political activists employed by the Center for Popular Democracy.
And guess who finances the CPD?
That's right...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/hero-survivors-who-confronte
d-jeff-flake-work-soros-funded-nonprofit

Quote:
FBI Interviews Three Kavanaugh Witnesses Who Don't Remember Ford's Mystery Groping Party

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/fbi-interviews-three-kavanau
gh-witnesses-who-dont-remember-fords-mystery-groping

Yeah, but what does Zerohedge think?

SECOND

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Yeah, but what does Zerohedge think?

The Business Insider thinks Kavanaugh lied under oath to the Senate Justice Committee. Perjury will be ignored by the GOP in the upcoming vote to confirm Kavanaugh because the perjury happened last week, which is ancient history. It might as well be 35 years ago or 350 years ago.

'Loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers': It looks like Brett Kavanaugh's receipts are coming back to haunt him

www.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-beer-keg-beach-week-drinking-h
abit-2018-10

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:53 PM

Kavanaugh's lies are a matter of record. If he were a Democrat, you'd be shitting yourself with outrage.

But, since he's a fascist, you worship him, and would let him grab your pussy anytime. Character is irrelevant in Putin-Trumpworld.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:00 PM

Quote:
Kavanaugh's lies are a matter of record. If he were a Democrat, you'd be shitting yourself with outrage.

I was none too happy with Clarence Thomas either, and as it turned out he wound up being probably the worst Justice, a "Scalia me too" vote, who apparently never thought for himself but took Scalia's word for everything and hardly ever writes original opinions.

Clarence Thomas, a Supreme Court Justice of Few Words, Some Not His Own
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/justice-clarence-thomas-rulings-
studies.html

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:09 PM

ZeroHedge thinks that

Quote:
Avenatti Unveils New Accuser Who Saw Kavanaugh "Spike Punch", Abuse Girls

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/avenatti-reveals-new-accuser
-who-saw-kavanaugh-spike-punch-abuse-girls

There's on thing I can say about ZH: They're pretty (small "c") catholic* in their headlines. That's what news aggregators do.

*adjective
universal; relating to all men; all-inclusive
comprehensive in interests, tastes, etc; broad-minded; liberal
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/catholic

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:57 PM

500+ Law Professors Agree: Kavanaugh's Testimony Was 'Disqualifying For Any Court,' Let Alone Supreme Court
The nominee, a joint letter states, "displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/03/500-law-professors-agree-
kavanaughs-testimony-was-disqualifying-any-court-let-alone

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 5:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I was none too happy with Clarence Thomas either, and as it turned out he wound up being probably the worst Justice, a "Scalia me too" vote, who apparently never thought for himself but took Scalia's word for everything and hardly ever writes original opinions.

Clarence Thomas, a Supreme Court Justice of Few Words, Some Not His Own
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/justice-clarence-thomas-rulings-
studies.html

Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?

SECOND

Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:13 AM

Quote:
If it turns out that Kavanaugh (a) reached out to potential witnesses weeks ago regarding allegations of misconduct and (b) lied to the Senate about when he first heard about these allegations, then he’s toast. The question, of course, is whether Bercham is telling the truth. Bercham told NBC that the FBI has so far been uninterested in talking to her, but I imagine that’s about to change.

Discover who Bercham is at
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/10/did-brett-kavanaugh-lie-about-d
eborah-ramirez/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ZeroHedge thinks that

Quote:
Avenatti Unveils New Accuser Who Saw Kavanaugh "Spike Punch", Abuse Girls

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/avenatti-reveals-new-accuser
-who-saw-kavanaugh-spike-punch-abuse-girls

There's on thing I can say about ZH: They're pretty (small "c") catholic* in their headlines. That's what news aggregators do.

*adjective
universal; relating to all men; all-inclusive
comprehensive in interests, tastes, etc; broad-minded; liberal
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/catholic

methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.
I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.
I'm quite sure your catholic does not qualify for Exorcism.

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 4, 2018 10:04 AM

Quote:
methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.

If I had, i would have corrected the typo.

Quote:
I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.

Catholic (large "C") here too. Born and raised, anyway. Mentally left the church when I was ten.

But usage of (small "c") catholic is legitimate, altho rare.

"He was catholic in his appreciation of movies."

I like unusual words.

*****

Quote:
Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?

Oh, I remember reading that criticism of Thomas many many years ago ... a history of his votes and how closely they mirrored Scalia's, along with an analysis of his written opinions. In fact, at the time of that analysis, I believe he had written ZERO opinions; altho I could be wrong. Over the years, whenever a SC ruling came down, I never found any reason to change that opinion of Thomas. You never hear his opinions quoted, for example.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:14 AM

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 4, 2018 12:51 PM

I got about four minutes into your video, REAVER, and I decided I had better things to do with my time. Everything that this woman said, as far as I listened, was without merit (speaking of meritocracy).

"It was a thorough-dressing-down"
Does she even know what the phrase means? (it means harsh public criticism)

She got "angry", it "boiled her blood"?
So what?

Long on emotion, short on explanation. Like I said, I have better things to do.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, October 4, 2018 3:35 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....for instance....

Picture this:

While I kick "Bart" so hard up his ass that his tonsils could tie my shoelace
(left foot, in case you were wondering).

Now doesn't that conjure a wonderful sight, a lovely vision indeed. Some may see that as abstract art. See how that works - of course not.

So there you have it Sigs. Simple, so that the dolts (you) can have something to eat with their coffee. Well off to the quarry to pick a nice spot for Trump.

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JUST SO SHINY sees this ..

*****
Quote:
Quote:
This is dead on socio-political commentary...few see it for what it is, while others need it expalined: It is the Rape/Silencing of Justice, mighty powerful message T.- GUY
Oh GUY, one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

But I see different messages in there ... unintentional ones, but there nonetheless

1) An orchestrated effort to rile people up, and
2) GUILTY!!!
(until proven innocent)

Both subliminal messages are dangerous. I hope you see that.

******

Once upon a time, I had a personality test done at work; it was for us to understand our personalities and approaches in the hope that we would work better together, and one aspect of my personality is that I like to consider ALL possibilities before making a decision. I think that is why I'm one of the people here saying ... Don't rush to judgment ... which it seems MOST people are intent on doing. But IMHO as long as there are equally-possible scenarios which explain events and EVIDENCE doesn't definitively point us in one direction or another then we should withhold judgment until better information comes along. For example there are women who said that Kavanaugh did (or may have) sexually assaulted them, but there are people who were there - pointed out as witnesses or friends by the self-proclaimed victims - who said HUH?? I don't even know you or I don't remember any such thing.

How to account for these accusations - and lack of corroboration?

Well, it DOES seem that there was a lot of drinking going on. That's one thing that people agree on. So it's very possible that these things happened, but unless they happened TO YOU, nobody would notice or remember out of sheer drunkneness. Possibly these events happened but the witnesses were also complicit, or don't want to get tainted/involved, and are backing away from the story.

It's also possible that the victims simply mis-remember; even THEIR memories are fragmentary, and piecing together fragile impressions warps them in some way (See FALSE MEMORY) especially if you combine it with a ideological motivation to put someone's face in the picture as the attacker. Or maybe the self-proclaimed victims are looking to make money or are attention-seeking.

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

There's ONE thing that I wouldn't rely on, however... people who "talked about" an event but who didn't witness it PERSONALLY. Unless YOU WERE THERE or there was a POLICE REPORT filed, hearsay shouldn't count.

I know how stories can run like wildfire and get completely overblown in the process; seen it happen at work and the inet only makes it worse.

In fact, I have a funny story about that. Maybe later.

******

And now for the funny story.

I did something at work that could have gotten me in hot water. I was talking with a guy, let's call him YYYY, in another department about how rumors can spread with NOTHING behind them because he was saying that with so many rumors about *** that there must be something behind them.

So I bet him that I could start a rumor

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SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, October 4, 2018 3:44 PM

Quote:
one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

Sometimes a good "bludgeoning" is what it takes, yanno!?...Well now, so that being the case. I'm off.

SGG

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:17 PM

The FBI reportedly only interviewed 9 people about the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, and ignored his drinking habits
https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-interviewed-just-9-people-over-bre
tt-kavanaugh-ignored-drinking-2018-10?IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com

Of course they didn't talk to Kavanaugh himself. You don't want him lying to the FBI, as well as everyone else.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

Sometimes a good "bludgeoning" is what it takes, yanno!?...Well now, so that being the case. I'm off.

SGG

By any means necessary, huh?

Has anybody else noticed that the narrative seems to have completely shifted from the MeToo stuff to talking about how Kavanaugh doesn't have the demeanor for the job?

It seems that this whole circus was just a reality TV style job interview and he didn't do so well.

I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public.

Knowing Trump, I'm assuming that this is going to be what he does, and is part of the reason why he ordered it be carried out in the first place. I think Feinstein is probably shitting herself right about now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:38 PM

The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:41 PM

Breaking News:

The White House found no corroboration of sexual misconduct allegations against Kavanaugh in the FBI report.[1]

Majority leader Senator McConnel filed for cloture to end debate on the nomination setting up an important procedural vote on Friday that could see the confirmation vote as early as this Saturday.[2]

It was a sham investigation:

The FBI probe failed to interview Professor Ford and other witnesses that could corroborate her allegations.[3]

The FBI investigation ignored testimonies from Kavanaugh's former classmates who contradict his statements.[4]

Frustrated potential witnesses who have been unable to speak with the F.B.I agents conducting the investigation into sexual-assault allegations against Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, have been resorting to sending statements, unsolicited, to the Bureau and to senators, in hopes that they would be seen before the inquiry concluded. On Monday, President Trump said that the Bureau should be able to interview “anybody they want within reason,” but the extent of the constraints placed on the investigating agents by the White House remained unclear. Late Wednesday night, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that the F.B.I. probe was over and cleared the way for an important procedural vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination to take place on Friday. NBC News reported that dozens of people who said that they had information about Kavanaugh had contacted F.B.I. field offices, but agents had not been permitted to talk to many of them. Several people interested in speaking to the F.B.I. expressed exasperation in interviews with The New Yorker at what they perceived to be a lack of interest in their accounts.

Wall Street Journal - White House Finds No Corroboration of Sexual Misconduct Allegations Against Kavanaugh in FBI Report

Fox News - Ford's lawyers slam FBI investigation after McConnell signals Kavanaugh vote later this week

The Hill - Ford attorneys slam FBI's Kavanaugh investigation for not interviewing Ford, witnesses

The New Yorker - The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh

SECOND

Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Knowing Trump, I'm assuming that this is going to be what he does, and is part of the reason why he ordered it be carried out in the first place. I think Feinstein is probably shitting herself right about now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Kavanaugh is on record stating that he believes it is acceptable for the government to violate the Fourth Amendment because national security is more important than our natural and constitutional rights:

“In my view, the Government’s meta-data collection program is entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment,” he wrote. “Even if the bulk collection of telephony metadata constitutes a search, the Fourth Amendment does not bar all searches and seizures. It bars only unreasonable searches and seizures.” He continued: “The Government’s program for bulk collection of 2 telephony meta-data serves a critically important special need — preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. In my view, that critical national security need outweighs the impact on privacy occasioned by this program.”

www.nationalreview.com/corner/dc-circuit-judge-metadata-collection-ent
irely-consistent-four-amendment-andrew-c/

Kavanaugh's is the same excuse used to justify the entire overreaching Patriot Act of 2001, not to mention those random Transportation Security Administration pat-downs at the airport. If you don’t like it, proponents usually say something along the lines of: You don't have to worry if you aren’t doing anything wrong.

Trump wants Kavanaugh because he wrote that a President can't be indicted or subpoenaed. That's the total qualification Kavanaugh has for the job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:59 PM

100,000 U.S. Christian Churches Demand Withdrawal of Kavanaugh's Supreme Court Nomination
http://fortune.com/2018/10/03/national-council-of-churches-demands-kav
anaugh-withdraw/

Accuser 'Silenced' and Witnesses Ignored, FBI's Kavanaugh Probe Denounced as 'Sham' and 'Charade'
With the report summarizing the FBI's less-than-a-week-long probe into sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh now in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee, his accusers as well as witnesses to the events are speaking out forcefully Thursday morning to decry the entire process
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/04/accuser-silenced-and-witn
esses-ignored-fbis-kavanaugh-probe-denounced-sham-and

FBI Says It Lacks White House Approval to Talk to Kavanaugh and Ford
http://time.com/5414812/fbi-white-house-approval-kavanugh-ford/?utm_so
urce=reddit.com

Like Second said, he's so much like Trump, he's required. Party uber alles.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:24 PM

Here’s a list of people the FBI did NOT interview. Okay with this, Flake and Collins?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/04/heres-a-l
ist-of-people-the-fbi-did-not-interview-okay-with-this-flake-and-collins/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.62b13044b21b

I Lived With Brett Kavanaugh At Yale. The FBI Never Returned My Call.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kavanaugh-fbi-investigati
on_us_5bb58157e4b0876eda9afeff?utm_source=reddit.com

SECOND

Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:51 PM

Kavanaugh’s defenders have tried to frame the question about Kavanaugh’s drinking as: Are you really saying his youthful excesses are disqualifying? But that’s not the right question. Rather, it’s whether Kavanaugh has shown a level of candor in the present about all this stuff (never mind his angry partisanship and openly displayed contempt for the critical role that opposition lawmakers play in this process) that we expect in a Supreme Court justice.

Kavanaugh defenders who have addressed that question point out that he admitted to drinking. But this doesn’t get Kavanaugh off that particular hook: All of this new information, on top of other things we’ve already learned, credibly indicate that he blatantly falsified multiple aspects of his conduct in a highly specific way. Undecided senators need to decide whether Kavanaugh has really demonstrated the integrity — and respect for the vetting process — that this position, with all the influence it wields over American life, and all the judiciousness and deliberative qualities we expect from those on the high court, demands.

Lying doesn't disqualify politicians, but Kavanaugh isn't a politician. He's a law technician, where lying his head off should disqualify him.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/04/heres-a-list-of-p
eople-the-fbi-did-not-interview-okay-with-this-flake-and-collins/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d1e22fa1b4f

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

I thought the FBI was the only government outfit the Leftists trusted anymore.

Must be getting pretty lonely for you guys now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, October 5, 2018 12:41 AM

"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

I thought the FBI was the only government outfit the Leftists trusted anymore.

Must be getting pretty lonely for you guys now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Ignorance on display, once again. ^

SIGNYM

Friday, October 5, 2018 12:48 AM

Quote:
~~Kavanaugh Bush~~ Obama is on record stating that he believes it is acceptable for the government to violate the Fourth Amendment because national security is more important than our natural and constitutional rights

Hey SECOND, BUSH proposed the "Patriot Act"; it was passed by Congress. BUSH started warrantless surveillance by tapping into the AT&T exchange in San Francisco (I posted about it at the time). BUSH also eliminated the concept of habeas corpus (Military commissions Act 2006).

OBAMA expanded the warrantless surveillance to include, well, everyone. In addition, he held Star Chamber proceedings and developed a "kill list" for a secret drone strike program (commanded by the CIA) which included an American citizen. So much for jury trials!!

Congresspeople of BOTH parties and Presidents of BOTH parties have torn up the Constitution, irrespective of who was on the Supreme Court.

Kavanaugh will likely be confirmed.

Get over it.

The focus now should be on Congress. If Congress writes explicit, comprehensive, proactive laws which protect the rights of ALL Americans and which benefit working Americans ... or if Congress REPEALS or FAILS TO EXTEND destructive laws ... or responds adequately to Executive Orders ... then it doesn't matter WHO is on the Supreme Court.

Can we count on Dems to do that? Or will they continue with their divisive identity politics and paranoid focus on other nations?

*****

I heard something interesting the other day on NPR. If I understand this correctly, men are 10% MORE likely to vote REPUBLICAN as a result of the Kavanaugh hearings.

WAY TO GO DEMS! You've been extremely successful in turning this nation into groups of warring tribes!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

But it will make a difference.

Sure, some "people" will cling to that narrative, but those same people wouldn't have been dissuaded even if time machines were real and you could take them back in time to witness nothing happening. The exact same could be said about some people on the other side who would deny what they saw if you could go back and show them the events going down exactly as alleged.

These people on either side are the extreme minority in the country.

On any given night only about 2 to 3% of the people in America are watching one of the Cable News Networks. Nobody could say that ALL of people tuning in all the time are extremists on either sides, but they are the ones most likely to be.

I'm starting to believe that most people are somewhere in the middle, they are rational, and they don't like being dictated to by anybody how they should think and feel about anything.

What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:07 AM

Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation may be how every Trump associate permanently avoids prosecution
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-s-confirmation-m
ay-be-how-every-trump-associate-ncna916681

And that's why they'll lie and cheat to push him through.

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

But it will make a difference.

Sure, some "people" will cling to that narrative, but those same people wouldn't have been dissuaded even if time machines were real and you could take them back in time to witness nothing happening. The exact same could be said about some people on the other side who would deny what they saw if you could go back and show them the events going down exactly as alleged.

These people on either side are the extreme minority in the country.

On any given night only about 2 to 3% of the people in America are watching one of the Cable News Networks. Nobody could say that ALL of people tuning in all the time are extremists on either sides, but they are the ones most likely to be.

I'm starting to believe that most people are somewhere in the middle, they are rational, and they don't like being dictated to by anybody how they should think and feel about anything.

What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

We already have enough facts to not confirm him. He lied. A lot.

Facts don't matter to the reich. They want their boy to grant them impunity, and he will.

1KIKI

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:24 AM

The democrats have a long history of failures starting in 1995 that brought us to this point. Despite that history, the party doesn't seem to feel the need to do anything different.

With the brief exception 2007 through 2011, republicans have held the House of Representatives since 1995. (Before that, democrats held the House nearly continuously for 60 years.)

In 2011 governorships flipped to republicans 29 to democrats 20 and one independent; the current number is now republicans 33, democrats 16, and one independent.

In 2015 democrats lost the Senate.

Democrats lost the presidency in the 2016 elections.

With the brief exception 2007 through 2011, republicans have held the House of Representatives since 1995. Before that, Democrats held the house nearly continuously since 1935.
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/

In 2007, 2008, and 2009 democrats held a majority of governorships (appx 28 to 22); in 2011 governorships flipped to republicans 29 to democrats 20 plus one independent. The democrats never regained the majority and the current number is now republicans 33, democrats 16, and one independent.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/198486/number-of-governors-in-the-
us-by-political-party-affiliation/

In 2015 democrats lost the Senate.
https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

Democrats lost the presidency in the 2016 elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

1KIKI

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:35 AM

Quote:
What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

I agree with you completely! But facts don't change minds that are already made up. If anything, people will dig in deeper to reduce the discomfort of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Perhaps if the government and the media started the process of transparency, over time it would engender trust. Perhaps people would be more willing to listen to and credit facts over narratives. Maybe, over time, it would change the nature of our politics.

In this IMMEDIATE timeframe, though, I'm not sure if it would help.

BTW, one thing I do find fault with is the characterization of the FBI's efforts as an 'investigation', which gives people the idea that the FBI is looking for any criminal activity. It's more like a deep pre-employment vetting.

The only thing that might stop a Kavanaugh appointment are $wildcard$ republicans who might vote against the party line.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.
I agree with you completely! But facts don't change minds that are already made up. If anything, people will dig in deeper to reduce the discomfort of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Perhaps if the government and the media started the process of transparency, over time it would engender trust. Perhaps people would be more willing to listen to and credit facts over narratives. Maybe, over time, it would change the nature of our politics.

In this IMMEDIATE timeframe, though, I'm not sure if it would help.

BTW, one thing I do find fault with is the characterization of the FBI's efforts as an 'investigation', which gives people the idea that the FBI is looking for any criminal activity. It's more like a deep pre-employment vetting.

The only thing that might stop a Kavanaugh appointment are $wildcard$ republicans who might vote against the party line.

At this point, I'm actually going to predict that you're going to see a few Democrats that vote against the party line. It's already a 99% chance or more that he's getting sworn in and there are a couple of tight races that are coming up. I think people are going to be surprised how this vote goes.

As for how effectual complete transparency of this investigation goes, I can't disagree with you, but in light of how prevalent this story was in the mainstream for the last few weeks, I can't think of a better example of a time where this should start being the norm.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, October 5, 2018 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At this point, I'm actually going to predict that you're going to see a few Democrats that vote against the party line. It's already a 99% chance or more that he's getting sworn in and there are a couple of tight races that are coming up. I think people are going to be surprised how this vote goes.

Ooooh! Interesting idea.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
As for how effectual complete transparency of this investigation goes, I can't disagree with you, but in light of how prevalent this story was in the mainstream for the last few weeks, I can't think of a better example of a time where this should start being the norm.

I hope it could happen.

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 6:07 AM

Florida man arrested for threatening to kill members of Congress if Kavanaugh not confirmed
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/polk-man-arrested-for-t
hreatening-to-kill-members-of-congress-if-kavanaugh-not-confirmed

This probably should go in the ever-expanding list of reichwing terrorists and murderers, but it's specifically about Kavanaugh, so...

SECOND

Friday, October 5, 2018 6:08 AM

Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens says Kavanaugh should not serve on Supreme Court. “I feel his performance in the hearings ultimately changed my mind,” Stevens said. Stevens, a lifelong Republican who stepped down from the high court in 2010, said that Kavanaugh’s temperament during the hearing was not suited for the position.

Stevens had praised Kavanaugh and one of his rulings in his 2014 book, “Six Amendments: How and Why We Should Change the Constitution.” He said at the time that he thought Kavanaugh “had the qualifications for the Supreme Court should he be selected.”

“I’ve changed my views for reasons that have no relationship to his intellectual ability,” Stevens said on Thursday, referring to Kavanaugh’s temperament.

Stevens, 98, who was appointed by President Gerald Ford, said he believed that lawmakers should take into account the criticism of Kavanaugh’s testimony.

“I think there’s merit to that criticism,” Stevens said, “and I think the senators should really pay attention to that.”

www.politico.com/story/2018/10/04/kavanaugh-confirmation-former-suprem
e-court-justice-870665

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 6:33 AM

Alabama Sen. Doug Jones says Kavanaugh backers have threatened women on his staff
"The hate and ugliness I have witnessed is unprecedented."
https://thinkprogress.org/doug-jones-says-kavanaugh-backers-have-threa
tened-the-women-on-his-staff-503bf1c5ef7b/

Reich wing. The party of violence and incivility.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 5, 2018 9:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens says Kavanaugh should not serve on Supreme Court. “I feel his performance in the hearings ultimately changed my mind,” Stevens said. Stevens, a lifelong Republican who stepped down from the high court in 2010, said that Kavanaugh’s temperament during the hearing was not suited for the position.

Stevens had praised Kavanaugh and one of his rulings in his 2014 book, “Six Amendments: How and Why We Should Change the Constitution.” He said at the time that he thought Kavanaugh “had the qualifications for the Supreme Court should he be selected.”

“I’ve changed my views for reasons that have no relationship to his intellectual ability,” Stevens said on Thursday, referring to Kavanaugh’s temperament.

Stevens, 98, who was appointed by President Gerald Ford, said he believed that lawmakers should take into account the criticism of Kavanaugh’s testimony.

“I think there’s merit to that criticism,” Stevens said, “and I think the senators should really pay attention to that.”

www.politico.com/story/2018/10/04/kavanaugh-confirmation-former-suprem
e-court-justice-870665

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

My argument with how the narrative has shifted from "He's Guilty!" to "He's not fit to be a judge" is this:

No judge on the Supreme Court has ever been defending his or herself in front of a world-wide audience against alleged crimes that are of a caliber one step below murder itself.

I'm betting that most Americans couldn't name two Supreme Court Justices, let alone all of them. But everybody knows Kavanaugh's name now.

This man is going to be judged for the rest of his life. He knows that, yet he still wants the job. I think that says a lot about his character, or at least puts into question anybody's personal opinions about his "job interview" performance.

Stick with his previous stances on issues as a reason that he shouldn't be sworn in. This is just background noise.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 9:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.
If I had, i would have corrected the typo.

Quote:
I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.
Catholic (large "C") here too. Born and raised, anyway. Mentally left the church when I was ten.

But usage of (small "c") catholic is legitimate, altho rare.

"He was catholic in his appreciation of movies."

I like unusual words.

*****

Quote:
Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?
Oh, I remember reading that criticism of Thomas many many years ago ... a history of his votes and how closely they mirrored Scalia's, along with an analysis of his written opinions. In fact, at the time of that analysis, I believe he had written ZERO opinions; altho I could be wrong. Over the years, whenever a SC ruling came down, I never found any reason to change that opinion of Thomas. You never hear his opinions quoted, for example.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 9:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.
If I had, i would have corrected the typo.

Quote:
I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.
Catholic (large "C") here too. Born and raised, anyway. Mentally left the church when I was ten.

But usage of (small "c") catholic is legitimate, altho rare.

"He was catholic in his appreciation of movies."

I like unusual words.

*****

Quote:
Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?
Oh, I remember reading that criticism of Thomas many many years ago ... a history of his votes and how closely they mirrored Scalia's, along with an analysis of his written opinions. In fact, at the time of that analysis, I believe he had written ZERO opinions; altho I could be wrong. Over the years, whenever a SC ruling came down, I never found any reason to change that opinion of Thomas. You never hear his opinions quoted, for example.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND

Friday, October 5, 2018 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My argument with how the narrative has shifted from "He's Guilty!" to "He's not fit to be a judge" is this:

No judge on the Supreme Court has ever been defending his or herself in front of a world-wide audience against alleged crimes that are of a caliber one step below murder itself.

I'm betting that most Americans couldn't name two Supreme Court Justices, let alone all of them. But everybody knows Kavanaugh's name now.

This man is going to be judged for the rest of his life. He knows that, yet he still wants the job. I think that says a lot about his character, or at least puts into question anybody's personal opinions about his "job interview" performance.

Stick with his previous stances on issues as a reason that he shouldn't be sworn in. This is just background noise.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I saw Homer Simpson making a difficult decision as a GOP Senator on an old episode: "There are so many different reasons to do the right thing, but only one reason to do the wrong thing . . . because of party loyalty. Therefore I cast my vote for Kavanaugh! Party rules and Democrats drool! In your face, Nancy Pelosi!"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2018/10/04/irony-pelosi-c
alls-kavanaugh-opposition-patriots-of-the-constitution-n2525586

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 5, 2018 10:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My argument with how the narrative has shifted from "He's Guilty!" to "He's not fit to be a judge" is this:

No judge on the Supreme Court has ever been defending his or herself in front of a world-wide audience against alleged crimes that are of a caliber one step below murder itself.

I'm betting that most Americans couldn't name two Supreme Court Justices, let alone all of them. But everybody knows Kavanaugh's name now.

This man is going to be judged for the rest of his life. He knows that, yet he still wants the job. I think that says a lot about his character, or at least puts into question anybody's personal opinions about his "job interview" performance.

Stick with his previous stances on issues as a reason that he shouldn't be sworn in. This is just background noise.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I saw Homer Simpson making a difficult decision as a GOP Senator on an old episode: "There are so many different reasons to do the right thing, but only one reason to do the wrong thing . . . because of party loyalty. Therefore I cast my vote for Kavanaugh! Party rules and Democrats drool! In your face, Nancy Pelosi!"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2018/10/04/irony-pelosi-c
alls-kavanaugh-opposition-patriots-of-the-constitution-n2525586

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Pretty much.

I think you're starting to see what just happened here, Second.

There is about a 0% chance that Kavanaugh won't be sworn in now. We're going to put a man in that was a supporter of probably every single item in the Patriot Act and seems to have no problem invading the privacy of every American Citizen.

But the message was diluted to the point where nobody focused on that.

And half the country is going to cheer when he is sworn in. And the Republicans are likely going to keep the house and the senate after the mid-terms.

And for a day or two I'm going to have fun rubbing it in RF's face, and there are going to be jokes at T's expense about his "tick tock"... but then there will be the sobering realization that the Patriot Act just got stronger and we've got another two years of a Trump administration with a GOP majority in the other two branches.

I hope the Democrats learn their lesson this time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, October 5, 2018 5:41 PM

Quote:
Yup. Pretty much.

I think you're starting to see what just happened here, Second.

There is about a 0% chance that Kavanaugh won't be sworn in now. We're going to put a man in that was a supporter of probably every single item in the Patriot Act and seems to have no problem invading the privacy of every American Citizen.

But the message was diluted to the point where nobody focused on that.

And half the country is going to cheer when he is sworn in. And the Republicans are likely going to keep the house and the senate after the mid-terms.

And for a day or two I'm going to have fun rubbing it in RF's face, and there are going to be jokes at T's expense about his "tick tock"... but then there will be the sobering realization that the Patriot Act just got stronger and we've got another two years of a Trump administration with a GOP majority in the other two branches.

I hope the Democrats learn their lesson this time.- SIX

Probably the best summary of what's been happening lately.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 8:46 PM

The Kremlin’s For Kavanaugh: Russian State Media Back Trump's Supreme Court Nominee
Putin’s media minions echo Trump to defend his Supreme Court nominee from the evils of #MeToo. Or maybe he echoes them. Some minds think alike.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-kremlins-for-kavanaugh-russian-state
-media-backs-trumps-supreme-court-nominee?source=articles&via=rss

"The Kremlin’s support of Donald Trump’s objectives, devoid of traditional U.S. values, has spilled out into the issues typically outside of Russia’s purview, such as Judge Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court.

Trump’s disregard for human rights and values is balm to the Kremlin’s sanction-wounded heart, which is why the Russians were quick to jump on the Kavanaugh wagon.

Russian state media is supporting Trump’s Kavanaugh nomination both in its domestic publications, as well as those aimed at the English-speaking audiences.

Hamilton 68, an organization which tries to track Russian influence operations on Twitter, also recorded extensive activity pertaining to the Kavanaugh nomination."

Who's surprised? Is anyone surprised? Siggy? Comrades?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 5, 2018 8:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Who's surprised? Is anyone surprised? Siggy? Comrades?

Not at all surprised that you're screaming "Russia!!!!" now.

No.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 9:54 PM

Point missed, as usual.

REAVERFAN

Friday, October 5, 2018 9:56 PM

Human Rights Watch Opposes Nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the US Supreme Court
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/05/human-rights-watch-opposes-nominat
ion-brett-kavanaugh-us-supreme-court

This is the first time Human Rights Watch has opposed the appointment of a US Supreme Court justice. We have taken this unprecedented step for the following reasons. Credible concerns, based in part on the testimony of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee, have been raised about whether Judge Kavanaugh committed at least one sexual assault in 1982, and allegations continue to circulate that he may have committed other sexual misconduct.[2]

Rather than engage meaningfully with Senators’ questions on those matters, Judge Kavanaugh sought to dismiss the concerns out of hand, which signaled a lack of understanding of the importance of a fair airing of the alleged harm suffered and of respect for the human dignity of alleged victims. Judge Kavanaugh demonstrated little understanding that inquiries into whether a US Supreme Court nominee engaged in sexual assault is a matter to which senators and witnesses must give their serious attention—both for the future of the court and for the message the process sends about the basic rights of millions of survivors of sexual assault and to future victims.

SIGNYM

Friday, October 5, 2018 10:30 PM

Quote:
Who's surprised? Is anyone surprised? Siggy? Comrades?- SHIT

Not at all surprised that you're screaming "Russia!!!!" now.
No.- SIX

Point missed, as usual.- SHIT

You think he "missed" your point??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You must be really stupid.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SIGNYM

Friday, October 5, 2018 11:04 PM

So, what I wonder is ... when will the Dems stop playing games?

They didn't have the votes to defeat Kavanaugh. They probably never WOULD get the votes to defeat Kavanaugh, no matter WHAT they did.

But when you can't get results, you can always take a stand.

So what did the Dems "stand for"? A last-minute smear campaign? Guilty until proven innocent? More "identity politics"?

They COULD have pounded on issues they thought were important ... privacy. Roe v Wade. Individuals over corporations.

When people looked back on the proceedings they might have remembered ... Hey, the Dems stood up for me. They might have failed but at least I can count on them next time.

Instead, I think a lot of people are just left with a bad taste in their mouths, having been (once again) pitted against each other, women against men, when we could all be standing up for fairness.

****

If the Dems REALLY stand for the fourth Amendment, why don't they vote against the "Patriot Act" and its various extensions? If the Dems REALLY stand for persons over corporations, why don't they propose a change in law? If the Dems REALLY stand for fairness, why don't they stop dividing up the nation with identity politics? Why do they keep pushing their paranoid pro-war agenda?

IMHO it's because they really DON'T stand for these things.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, October 5, 2018 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, what I wonder is ... when will the Dems stop playing games?

They didn't have the votes to defeat Kavanaugh. They probably never WOULD get the votes to defeat Kavanaugh, no matter WHAT they did.

But when you can't get results, you can always take a stand.

So what did the Dems "stand for"? A last-minute smear campaign? Guilty until proven innocent? More "identity politics"?

They COULD have pounded on issues they thought were important ... privacy. Roe v Wade. Individuals over corporations.

When people looked back on the proceedings they might have remembered ... Hey, the Dems stood up for me. They might have failed but at least I can count on them next time.

Instead, I think a lot of people are just left with a bad taste in their mouths, having been (once again) pitted against each other, women against men, when we could all be standing up for fairness.

Ha! *spew* you owe me a keyboard! That's so funny! Wait, what? We're you being serious?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If the Dems REALLY stand for the fourth Amendment, why don't they vote against the "Patriot Act" and its various extensions? If the Dems REALLY stand for persons over corporations, why don't they propose a change in law? If the Dems REALLY stand for fairness, why don't they stop dividing up the nation with identity politics? Why do they keep pushing their paranoid pro-war agenda?

Ha! *gasp* you owe me another keyboard! You never tire of being transparent.

^ Your questions are obviously/painfully crafted misconceptions for the gullible, low brow Trump supporter. I have to give credit though, they're working thanks to Fux and the GOP and people like you promoting these fictions/propaganda over and over. It would be so much easier to win in politics if you have dumb people as your base - lesson learned!

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:40 AM

Quote:
^ Your questions are obviously/painfully crafted misconceptions for the gullible, low brow Trump supporter.- GSTRING

But they're too tough for you to answer, so you're apparently even less capable than the "gullible, low brow Trump supporter" over which you claim superiority.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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1KIKI

Saturday, October 6, 2018 2:08 AM

For the record, I oppose Kavanaugh because he would represent his politics, which I disagree with, rather than the law.

That said, I find myself having to find fault with the democrats for this whole fiasco.

The 'democratic' (ie big money, back-room) party has been retrenching since 1995 when they lost the House of Representatives. And instead of trying to figure out what they were doing wrong - and fixing it - they continued on with 'business' as usual. Now they are without a single majority claim to government.

And they are STILL playing politics. Somebody should tell them that that stopped working 23 years ago, because they have yet to clue in.

As a retrospective on the 2016 election ... for a brief moment, Bill at least mouthed a good game: "it's the economy, stupid". That would have been a good theme for Hillary as well. But instead of going with what worked, the party went with 'identity politics'. Why? Did they really believe that people were happy with the lack of full-time jobs with decent pay? Did they think they were going to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with a Gish-gallop of multitudes of victim-hood?

I agree with Signy. You can tell what democrats stand for by noticing what they fail to do. And people have been noticing.

That the 'democratic' party is where it is - that's on them.

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 6, 2018 2:33 AM

How the US conducts surveillance and investigation of electronic communication media–particularly the internet–is largely shaped by three pieces of legislation:

Quote:
To give a very brief history, FISA was enacted in 1978–before the proliferation of the internet–and governed both the physical and electronic surveillance of primarily foreign powers and agents.

The Patriot Act, enacted shortly after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, was essentially an amendment to FISA that expanded surveillance to individuals not directly linked to terrorist groups.

Many of the most controversial parts of the Patriot Act, particularly those dealing with bulk surveillance, expired in 2015 but were renewed in part or whole through the Freedom Act.

https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/a-breakdown-of-the-patrio
t-act-freedom-act-and-fisa/

PATRIOT ACT 2001 SENATE
98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (One senator- Russ Feingold - voted "no" and one did not vote)
2001 HOUSE
357 in favor, 66 against (145 Dems in favor; 62 Dems, 3 Repubs, 1 Independent against)

PATRIOT ACT 2006 SENATE
89 Senators voted in favor (Unless I miscounted, 33 Democrats voted in favor, 10 against, one "no vote")
2006 HOUSE
269 in favor (66 Dems in favor, 124 against)

FREEDOM ACT 2016
SENATE
67 in favor, 32 against (Rand Paul, R, filibustered the Act)
http://www.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-votes-usa-freedom-act-patriot-act-
nsa-authority/

HOUSE
338 in favor, 88 against (clearly many Dems voted in favor)
https://www.insidesources.com/house-passes-usa-freedom-act-spikes-nsa-
reform-to-the-senate/

DEMS DIDDLE WHILE ROME BURNS.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 3:22 AM

Lisa Murkowski's Facebook Page Flooded with Rape Threats and Accusations After ‘No’ Vote on Kavanaugh
https://www.alternet.org/lisa-murkowskis-facebook-page-flooded-rape-th
reats-and-accusations-after-no-vote-kavanaugh?src=newsletter1096843

Such a civil party...

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 3:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Who's surprised? Is anyone surprised? Siggy? Comrades?- SHIT

Not at all surprised that you're screaming "Russia!!!!" now.
No.- SIX

Point missed, as usual.- SHIT
You think he "missed" your point??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You must be really stupid.

You're stupid.

You carry on as if you aren't actually a Russian troll, yet you are.

That's as stupid as the fringe anti-American propaganda you post that no one buys.

Putin is wasting money on you.

1KIKI

Saturday, October 6, 2018 5:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
You're stupid.

You carry on as if you aren't actually a Russian troll, yet you are.

That's as stupid as the fringe anti-American propaganda you post that no one buys.

Putin is wasting money on you.

tic tac

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 6, 2018 12:36 PM

Quote:
Putin is wasting money on you.

Yes, I keep telling myself that someday those rubles will be worth something! [jk]

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 6, 2018 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Putin is wasting money on you.
Yes, I keep telling myself that someday those rubles will be worth something! [jk]

How did you get a paycheck out of this?

When I interviewed with Putin I was told that any money his team of Communist Nazis tasked with infiltrating the RWED would be making will be taxed at 100% to the Russian Government because Communism.

My understanding was that my only reward for a job well done would be annoying reaverfan.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:59 PM

Signy got rubles? You got an interview ???!!! All this time I thought I was auditioning. I feel ripped off!

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, October 6, 2018 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But they're too tough for you to answer...

Wrong again - they're TOO EASY to answer. I'm guessing you got an email directive that said: "our new position is:" Blame the Democrats. "They aren't good enough." That's like blaming a women for being assaulted. "She should have known better to wear that."

Don't hold the GOP responsible.
Don't look at the insurmountable votes available.
Don't look at so many things because why would you do that when you can just shift attention elsewhere?

What's one of the main reasons women are treated like second class citizens and always will be?

Easy! Women like you.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 6, 2018 5:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But they're too tough for you to answer...

Wrong again - they're TOO EASY to answer. I'm guessing you got an email directive that said: "our new position is:" Blame the Democrats. "They aren't good enough." That's like blaming a women for being assaulted. "She should have known better to wear that."

Don't hold the GOP responsible.
Don't look at the insurmountable votes available.
Don't look at so many things because why would you do that when you can just shift attention elsewhere?

What's one of the main reasons women are treated like second class citizens and always will be?

Easy! Women like you.

You should probably ask second class citizen women in the Middle East. You won't find any here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 7:03 PM

Text Messages Suggest Kavanaugh Tried to Head Off Sexual Assault Allegations Days Before They Were Public: Report
Kavanaugh previously denied to the Senate that he knew anything about the allegations before they were published.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-text-messag
es-sexual-assault?src=newsletter1096856

Lying to congress used to be a serious thing, but not with today's GOP.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 7:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But they're too tough for you to answer...

Wrong again - they're TOO EASY to answer. I'm guessing you got an email directive that said: "our new position is:" Blame the Democrats. "They aren't good enough." That's like blaming a women for being assaulted. "She should have known better to wear that."

Don't hold the GOP responsible.
Don't look at the insurmountable votes available.
Don't look at so many things because why would you do that when you can just shift attention elsewhere?

Typical Russian troll tactic.

Quote:
What's one of the main reasons women are treated like second class citizens and always will be?

Easy! Women like you.

Russia is just as misogynistic as any Republican.

It's True: Misogyny Is at the Heart of Right-Wing Politics
Republicans really do hate women
https://www.alternet.org/its-true-misogyny-heart-right-wing-politics?s
rc=newsletter1096856

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 7:08 PM

We know Putin hates women. So does Blumpy.

Putin’s War on Women
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/09/putins-war-on-women/

"At least 12,000 women in Russia die at the hands of their abusers each year, according to Human Rights Watch. The real number is likely higher."

"Theirs could be an uphill battle, for Putin’s bare-chested machismo, while a source of humor abroad, has been accompanied by a sharp rise in misogyny at home. The Russian leader joked about rape as recently as February, has boasted that his country’s prostitutes are the best in the world, and has put down women for menstruating."

Blumpy does the same thing.

Blumpy does exactly what Pootie tells him to. He has for decades.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 8:20 PM

Fox News Host Compares Kavanaugh To Christ, Claims Both Were Crucified
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/fox-ne
ws-host-compares-kavanaugh-to-christ-claims-both-were-crucified/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=BRSS&utm_campaign=Nonreligious&utm_content=367

"Gutfeld is not alone in his willingness to give Kavanaugh a pass for sexually assaulting women as a young man. A recent survey shows that 48% of white evangelicals would support Kavanaugh even if he did sexually assault Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and/or his other accusers.

The poll results are alarming, and demonstrate a profound poverty of both intellect and character in almost half of all white evangelicals. Yet this moral failure is not much of a surprise."

Apparently, Jesus loves a good rape.

The narcissism of the reichwing is disgusting. Such ignorance.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, October 6, 2018 10:44 PM

Brett Kavanaugh Lied Brazenly and Repeatedly Under Oath. Any Law Student Knows He Cannot Sit on the Supreme Court
It feels self-evident, but a judge who cannot obey the law cannot be expected to apply it.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/10/04/brett-kavanaugh-lied-bra
zenly-and-repeatedly-under-oath-any-law-student-knows-he

Socrates is widely attributed with the saying: “Four things belong to a judge: to hear courteously; to answer wisely; to consider soberly; and to decide impartially.” By this Socratic standard, Judge Brett Kavanaugh failed on all four points during his testimony last week. His remarks were completely antithetical to the values we demand from our jurists.

Exactly what happened in Bethesda, Maryland three decades ago can never be precisely known given the passage of time. What happened in Washington, D.C. mere days ago, however, was easy for reasonable persons to determine: Kavanaugh lied. Repeatedly. Under oath. Indeed, Judge Kavanaugh would never accept the rampant misrepresentations of truth that Witness Kavanaugh offered in front of U.S. senators.

Even if one takes the position that Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s highly credible allegations of sexual misconduct shouldn’t derail Kavanaugh’s nomination, his response to them should. Why? Because, as many have detailed carefully and thoughtfully, he lied, misled, displayed extraordinary partisan animus straying at times toward unhinged conspiracy theorizing.

The sheer scope of Kavanaugh’s dishonesty under oath has been detailed in numerous articles, perhaps none as exquisitely comprehensive as Nathan J. Robinson’s essay in Current Affairs. Honesty is important in any job, of course, but for the particular job Kavanaugh seeks, truth is utterly paramount and non-negotiable.

In saner times, the Canons of the Model Code of Judicial Conduct read like quaint truisms. For example, Canon 2A of the Model Code speaks in the mandatory language of “shall,” and requires that judges “shall respect and comply with the law” and “shall act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the fairness and impartiality of the judiciary.”

Has our political tribalism really become so acute as to render foundational maxims such as the Canons controversial? If so, then truly the loss will be felt by both Democrats and Republicans equally.

Kavanaugh is certainly in an incredibly difficult circumstance, both personally and professionally. Yet every single day in American courtrooms, individuals with far fewer resources, far less expertise and arguably far more at stake than a mere promotion are held to the highest standards of candor, truth, tone and veracity. Why? Because without truth, the system falls apart.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 6, 2018 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Fox News Host Compares Kavanaugh To Christ, Claims Both Were Crucified
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/fox-ne
ws-host-compares-kavanaugh-to-christ-claims-both-were-crucified/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=BRSS&utm_campaign=Nonreligious&utm_content=367

"Gutfeld is not alone in his willingness to give Kavanaugh a pass for sexually assaulting women as a young man. A recent survey shows that 48% of white evangelicals would support Kavanaugh even if he did sexually assault Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and/or his other accusers.

The poll results are alarming, and demonstrate a profound poverty of both intellect and character in almost half of all white evangelicals. Yet this moral failure is not much of a surprise."

Apparently, Jesus loves a good rape.

The narcissism of the reichwing is disgusting. Such ignorance.

I'm not convinced this poll is legitimate, nor were the questions worded in a way that weren't leading.

Sure, it says that 48% of Evangelical White Christians "Should Be Confirmed" if "If the charge of sexual assault during a party in high school by
Christine Blasey Ford against Brett Kavanaugh is true, do you
think Brett Kavanaugh"...

But 32% of Latinos would support him, 31% men and 27% women overall would support him as well... at least according to this survey of 800-900 people that we're expected to believe reflects the beliefs of 320+ Million people. (That's a survey of 0.0000028125% of the people, for anybody not good at math).

At the very least, the article shows the bias of the reporting from Vox. And yes, it was Vox that reported this, so I'm not sure why you linked to an article on a different site that ripped the article off of Vox.

As for Gutfield himself, at least in the article, there was no quotes of his that said he would give sexual assault a pass. The article is based purely off the 100% assumption that Kavanaugh assaulted Ford, and anything he said would be viewed as supporting a predator.

You're gross comments on the issue itself are more of why the voice of the Extreme Left is going to disappear soon.

It seems you just can't help yourself, can you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:03 AM

Quote:
"Blame the Democrats. "They aren't good enough." - GSTRING

As a disappointed Democrat ... I expect more of them.

Quote:
Don't hold the GOP responsible.

And BTW, I've laid plenty of blame on Republicans, as you could see from my old posts. So this is an outright lie.

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Here's as piece of advice for everyone, including me.

Our discussions would be FAR more productive if we would stop arguing with the voices in our heads. It seems like people (like GSTRING, SHIT, and THUGR) spend FAR too much time imputing motives and points of view to others .... motives and points of view which those others don't have.

Why not just stick to responding to WHAT POSTED, instead of ranting at something that might not even exist? If we could manage to do that, as well as NOT RESORTING TO PERSONAL ATTACKS WHEN WE HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO POST, I'm sure our discussions will be a lot more rational. Unless people here have an interest in being IRRATIONAL, that seems like a better avenue. Right?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2018 2:18 AM

FWIW ** I ** squarely blame the democrats.

They've been sliding off the cliff since 1995, and congratulating themselves whenever their fingernails held a bit of dirt the whole time. The 2016 election was their last chance at political relevance - a chance to say 'well AT LEAST we still have the presidency'. That's why you're so butt hurt. You didn't even get the booby prize.

On the plus side, without the burdens of actual governance, this would be a good time for democrats to take stock and figure out why they've been voted into irrelevance over the last 23 years.

tic tac

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 2:51 AM

Kavanaugh will be sworn in.

Vote was 50 to 48, with one Republican voting no and one Democrat voting yes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kavanaugh-vote-divided-senate-
poised-to-confirm-trumps-nominee/2018/10/06/64bf69fa-c969-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html?utm_term=.95b112d8a52c

Now the question is, will the Democrats continue to double down on their failed tactics, or will this finally be the wake up call for the party that I've been hoping for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:31 AM

The Sen. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia voting to approve Kavanaugh is interesting to me. 538 has him at over an 88% chance of winning his election, so I can see that vote being in hopes to get re-elected like I thought some Democratic Senators would do last minute.

I can't see on 538 what that percentage was yesterday or last week before this vote took place, but I can't imagine with that wide of a margin that he was plotting.

Senator Donnelly in my state just lost my vote because of this. I have said in the past here that I had every intention of voting for him in the mid-terms.

Back when I said I was voting for him, he seemed to have a comfortable lead. He's now listed on RCP and 538 as a toss up, although with an advantage. This may not have been a smart move on his part.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:48 AM

Supposedly the flurry of last-minute allegations was orchestrated by Feinstein. People are saying that she's toast if this info comes out. I've disliked her ever since I got back a smarmy, patronizing form letter from her on why we should invade Iraq; basically she said I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee and I know things that you don't.

HA! As it turned out, she knew shit; she ate up phony intelligence like it was caviar because it appealed to her sense of superiority.

OTOH, her rival for the Senate seat is Kevin DeLeon, another Democrat and a huge supporter of illegal immigrants.

What a choice!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2018 5:10 AM

Just waiting for someone to start an impeachment clock for Kavanaugh. Because that's so much less helpful and so much easier than trying to push the democrats to get their act together.

tic tac

1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2018 5:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Supposedly the flurry of last-minute allegations was orchestrated by Feinstein. People are saying that she's toast if this info comes out. I've disliked her ever since I got back a smarmy, patronizing form letter from her on why we should invade Iraq; basically she said I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee and I know things that you don't.

HA! As it turned out, she knew shit; she ate up phony intelligence like it was caviar because it appealed to her sense of superiority.

Well, and then there's her voting like she's in the Knesset instead of the US Senate.

1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2018 5:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Sen. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia voting to approve Kavanaugh is interesting to me. 538 has him at over an 88% chance of winning his election, so I can see that vote being in hopes to get re-elected like I thought some Democratic Senators would do last minute.

I can't see on 538 what that percentage was yesterday or last week before this vote took place, but I can't imagine with that wide of a margin that he was plotting.

Senator Donnelly in my state just lost my vote because of this. I have said in the past here that I had every intention of voting for him in the mid-terms.

Back when I said I was voting for him, he seemed to have a comfortable lead. He's now listed on RCP and 538 as a toss up, although with an advantage. This may not have been a smart move on his part.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Basically, it went along party lines, which itself is an interesting result. I think republicans are going to find it costs them overall, because it confirms their party as a machine, rather than a representative body.
If the results had been the same tally, but scattered across party lines, it would have indicated a more dynamic body.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 5:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Sen. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia voting to approve Kavanaugh is interesting to me. 538 has him at over an 88% chance of winning his election, so I can see that vote being in hopes to get re-elected like I thought some Democratic Senators would do last minute.

I can't see on 538 what that percentage was yesterday or last week before this vote took place, but I can't imagine with that wide of a margin that he was plotting.

Senator Donnelly in my state just lost my vote because of this. I have said in the past here that I had every intention of voting for him in the mid-terms.

Back when I said I was voting for him, he seemed to have a comfortable lead. He's now listed on RCP and 538 as a toss up, although with an advantage. This may not have been a smart move on his part.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Basically, it went along party lines, which itself is an interesting result. I think republicans are going to find it costs them overall, because it confirms their party as a machine, rather than a representative body.
If the results had been the same tally, but scattered across party lines, it would have indicated a more dynamic body.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Maybe it was worded a little confusingly?

When I said that Joe Manchin's vote was interesting to me it's because he was the lone Democrat who went against party lines.

When I said that I was no longer voting for Donnelley when I said I was going to a few months back it is because he is a Democrat and he voted along party lines.

I will not vote for anybody who is in support of making judgements without Due Process, or possibly even worse, somebody who would throw out their principals on that stance in order to vote along party lines.

If I was in West Virginia, Joe Machin would have my vote right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:00 AM

It's pretty quiet in here today. I wonder if everybody met up with Reaverfan and they're out burning trashcans and pepper spraying Nazis right now?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:34 AM

With RARE exception, the vote went along party lines. That's my meaning. Despite all the possible Republican wildcards - Snow, Flake, Murkowski, Collins - who indicated reservations - only Murkowski who was opposed - voted 'present'. And despite any potential election considerations or concerns over process, only 1 democrat - Manchin - voted yes.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:53 AM

Is anyone surprised?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
With RARE exception, the vote went along party lines. That's my meaning. Despite all the possible Republican wildcards - Snow, Flake, Murkowski, Collins - who indicated reservations - only Murkowski who was opposed - voted 'present'. And despite any potential election considerations or concerns over process, only 1 democrat - Manchin - voted yes.

As I understand, Collins only voted that way so that a different Senator could attend his kid's Wedding.

All of these high standards that the Liberals have now developed, such as Honesty, bearing. Why couldn't they have exercised such objections when Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg where before them?

We can always hope Ginsberg kicks it while Trump is still Preezy.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

We can always hope Ginsberg kicks it while Trump is still Preezy.

You do realize that of everyone left in the RWED that you're the closest to the equal and opposite of Reaverfan, don't you?

I'm going to make it a habit to call out bullshit when you say it too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:55 PM

Yeah, much like Dr. Ford. She had to move from her home and hire bodyguards
(in the hearings I saw the bodyguards and they were huge, like professional
wrestler huge).

So when I hear folk talking about how the Dems behave, it really rankles me to no end. When I saw her, Dr. Ford, I was anxious to hear what she had to say.
I found her testimony riveting and that this poor woman was quite pained to
expose a tragic and violent occurrence in her life.

I worked with battered women and it is oftentimes painfully sad how it affects their lives. They live in constant fear.

When I watched Kavanaugh, ugh, a big difference in comportment and attitude.
I know I'm going to repeat myself, but it bares repeating - what a scumbag.
He consistently lied, evaded and otherwise insulted the committee members
during his testimony. A political tool if ever I saw one. Nothing in his statement, or lies for that matter, spoke of or depicted his stature as judge.
He was smug, arrogant and entitled. A real douche-bag.

It doesn't surprise me that Murkowski received threats. This is typical of
how the Trump/McConnell scumbags operate. They try their damndest to intimidate. Fear is their only response. Fear and ridicule.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Lisa Murkowski's Facebook Page Flooded with Rape Threats and Accusations After ‘No’ Vote on Kavanaugh
https://www.alternet.org/lisa-murkowskis-facebook-page-flooded-rape-th
reats-and-accusations-after-no-vote-kavanaugh?src=newsletter1096843

Such a civil party...

JO753

Sunday, October 7, 2018 4:42 PM

It seemz to me that this will be great ammo for the demz & wimin will vote out many GoPs. Manshin iz toast.

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