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THG

Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:57 AM

It appears another person has made claims against Kavanaugh. It's just being reported on for the first time as I type this. This makes 4.

tick tock

T

REAVERFAN

Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
It appears another person has made claims against Kavanaugh. It's just being reported on for the first time as I type this. This makes 4.

tick tock

T

Yup.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
ser-maryland

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:23 AM

Pretty sure at this point that Kavanaugh fucked anything with tits.

If you're female and you disagree with this statement, that only means that the drugs did their job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure at this point that Kavanaugh fucked anything with tits.

If you're female and you disagree with this statement, that only means that the drugs did their job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, as a reminder of the real reason why the GOP stands with Kavanaugh's nomination:

Groups like the US Chamber of Commerce are still backing Brett Kavanaugh. Big business knows that Kavanaugh could be a boon to their bottom line.

One of the biggest questions facing the American judiciary is whether the Constitution allows elected representatives to meaningfully regulate the national economy.

Kavanaugh clearly believes it does NOT. He has called the existence of independent regulatory agencies — notably including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau but potentially the entire alphabet soup of FCC, FTC, CFTC, SEC, FEC, etc. — a “threat to individual liberty.”

But rather than debate this squarely, we are instead faced with grifters like Kavanaugh’s former boss Ken Starr insisting in the pages of the Washington Post that Kavanaugh stands for nothing more than a simple “pro-democracy, let-the-people-govern-themselves vision.”

The truth is quite the opposite — Kavanaugh’s vision, which he shares with Starr and the bulk of the conservative legal academy, is one in which the courts should stand as staunch allies of capital and block any effort at control of big business.

More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/25/17897670/brett-kavanaugh-eco
nomy

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Thursday, September 27, 2018 7:41 AM

The 22 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-
list-2017-12?utm_source=reddit.com

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Kavanaugh's girlfriend's recollections:

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:33 PM

Judge has gone into hiding...why!? He claims to know nothing, and Kavanaugh
claims that he wasn't there - wherever there was. So, why not have the FBI
investigate and clear his name once and for all. Nobody can lie to the FBI or
suffer the consequences.

And why, for that matter, doesn't Judge present himself at the hearing and
back his friend's play? You know, to support his best bud. But no, he's
hiding like a little bitch.

One more: Why don't the senators in the Judicial Committee request that the
FBI investigate the allegations brought on by these women? What do they have to hide? What are they afraid of? Don't they want to clear his name?

No matter. Once the Dems take over after the mid-terms they will push for
an investigation and testimony from the women. If the charges have merit,
they will push for impeachment of Kavanaugh.

In the Judge Thomas case, Bush called for an investigation to clear his name
and it took 4 days. There were 20 people called to testify, and that included
people in support of Clarence Thomas. And as you know, Thomas found his way
to the Supreme Court.

Something is off.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Kavanaugh's girlfriend's recollections:

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:38 PM

When his daughters get drugged and RAPED, then maybe he'll remember what he
did.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure at this point that Kavanaugh fucked anything with tits.

If you're female and you disagree with this statement, that only means that the drugs did their job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:01 PM

Quote:
Judge has gone into hiding...why!? He claims to know nothing, and Kavanaugh claims that he wasn't there - wherever there was. So, why not have the FBI investigate and clear his name once and for all. Nobody can lie to the FBI or suffer the consequences.

And why, for that matter, doesn't Judge present himself at the hearing and back his friend's play? You know, to support his best bud. But no, he's hiding like a little bitch.

Judge seems to have a lot more to hide than Kavanaugh.

Quote:
One more: Why don't the senators in the Judicial Committee request that the FBI investigate the allegations brought on by these women? What do they have to hide? What are they afraid of? Don't they want to clear his name?

They don't because they CAN'T. I posted that already: The Senate isn't the FBI's "boss". The directive can only come from the DOJ or the President. They CAN request that the President or the DOJ direct the FBI but they don't have direct control.

Quote:
No matter. Once the Dems take over after the mid-terms they will push for an investigation and testimony from the women.

Same problem. They CAN'T direct the FBI. But I hope an investigation is done.

Quote:
If the charges have merit, they will push for impeachment of Kavanaugh. In the Judge Thomas case, Bush called for an investigation to clear his name and it took 4 days. There were 20 people called to testify, and that included people in support of Clarence Thomas. And as you know, Thomas found his way to the Supreme Court.

Something is off.

Timing.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:27 PM

IN THE MEANTIME

Quote:
Kavanaugh Mayhem: Two Men Cop To Feeling Christine Ford's Breasts, Contradicting Her Accusation

The Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday night released a time of their efforts to responded to various accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh - including two men who say they they were the basis for the "groping" allegation.

This is what I posted before: It's very hard to dredge up a clouded memory without warping it in some way. So while people can BELIEVE that they're telling the truth, they can also be MISTAKEN. Ford's memories are so very incomplete and contradicted by other evidence (such as her description of the house she was in not matching any of the houses that the boys lived in, and Kavanaugh having an "alibi" for that time) that they REQUIRE some sort of corroboration.

As far as Ramirez is concerned, her memory is ALSO clouded. If I understand the timeline correctly, the email exchange came FIRST, and Ramrirez' allegations came afterwards. Is it possible that she read a description of what somebody said they were told, and then took her (fragmentary) memories and tried fitting those puzzle-pieces to that picture? Did she read the emails first and "reconstruct" her memory afterwards? Or were those independent recollections?

And finally ...

Quote:
And earlier Wednesday, another Kavanaugh accuser - Julie Swetnick, had an ominous cloud of doubt cast over her allegation that the Supreme Court nominee and a friend were operating a date-rape "gang bang" operation at 10 high school parties she attended as a legal adult three years older than Kavanaugh (yet didn't report once).

Politico reports that Swetnick's ex-boyfriend, Richard Vinneccy - a registered Democrat, took out a restraining order against her, and says he has evidence that she's lying.

"Right after I broke up with her, she was threatening my family, threatening my wife and threatening to do harm to my baby at that time," Vinneccy said in a telephone interview with POLITICO. "I know a lot about her." -Politico

"I have a lot of facts, evidence, that what she’s saying is not true at all," he said. "I would rather speak to my attorney first before saying more."

ttps:// www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-27/kavanaugh-mayhem-two-men-cop-feeling
-christine-fords-breasts-contradicting-her

Quote:
60 of Kavanaugh's Classmates Send Letter to Senate about 'Nonsense' Gang Rape Allegation

" ...In the extensive amount we collectively spent with Brett, we do no recall having ever met someone name Julie Swetnick. Nor did we ever observe Brett engaging in conduct resembling that described in Miss Swetnick's declaration..."

PJM's Matt Margolis spoke to a woman who attended parties with students from Kavanaugh's high school. She disputed the gang rape allegations. Anyone who knew this woman in the 1980s should probably come forward now to help straighten out this mess.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/60-of-kavanaughs-classmates-send-letter-t
o-senate-about-nonsense-gang-rape-allegation/

Right now, it's a three-ring circus.

What one has to keep firmly in mind is that an allegation- no matter how shocking and heinous- is just that: an accusation without proof.

As far as the first two allegations are concerned, I think that I have REASONABLE doubts about their accuracy, and that these REASONABLE doubts need to be answered before a conclusion can be reached. Other statements are coming forward about the other allegations, and those need to be sorted out as well.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
When his daughters get drugged and RAPED, then maybe he'll remember what he
did.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure at this point that Kavanaugh fucked anything with tits.

If you're female and you disagree with this statement, that only means that the drugs did their job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Or he wont, assuming the 50% chance that he didn't do anything wrong at all.

To be honest, Second is the only person in this thread who is bringing any actual legitimate reasons why people should be wary of Kavanaugh being confirmed.

Everything else is just your typical illiberal bullshit that can be expected and seen a mile away in 2018.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:53 PM

A poll from Morning Consult/Politico released Wednesday shows that only 49 percent of GOP women support Kavanaugh’s confirmation, and 15 percent oppose it. That’s a drop of 18 points in support from Republican women since last week. And overall, 37 percent of Americans oppose his confirmation; just 34 percent think it’s a good idea.

That’s the point to remember. The allegations against Kavanaugh — and the recriminations they have elicited from Republicans who see him as unfairly maligned — may not affect his confirmation. But they will affect how his jurisprudence as a member of the Supreme Court is seen.

Republicans may think that’s unfair. But if they want Americans to have confidence in the Supreme Court, they should take more care, in the future, to make sure that Americans can have confidence in their nominees.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
A poll from Morning Consult/Politico released Wednesday shows that only 49 percent of GOP women support Kavanaugh’s confirmation, and 15 percent oppose it. That’s a drop of 18 points in support from Republican women since last week. And overall, 37 percent of Americans oppose his confirmation; just 34 percent think it’s a good idea.

That’s the point to remember. The allegations against Kavanaugh — and the recriminations they have elicited from Republicans who see him as unfairly maligned — may not affect his confirmation. But they will affect how his jurisprudence as a member of the Supreme Court is seen.

Republicans may think that’s unfair. But if they want Americans to have confidence in the Supreme Court, they should take more care, in the future, to make sure that Americans can have confidence in their nominees.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm at least 50% sure at this juncture that no matter who the nominee was, so long as he were a white male, they would be receiving these allegations.

At this point with 4 going on a million accusers, it's really starting to look like an orgy of evidence. No pun intended.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm at least 50% sure at this juncture that no matter who the nominee was, so long as he were a white male, they would be receiving these allegations.

The allegations flow naturally because the next nominee will be selected by the Federalist Society, a right-wing legal fraternity hell bent on shoehorning its brethren onto federal courts. Brett Kavanaugh is one of its members, too. He joined back when he was in law school at Yale, and he’s been a member ever since. His name was among those submitted by the Federalist Society to Donald Trump when Anthony Kennedy resigned his seat on the court.

The word that is used to describe the people on the Federalist Society’s list for the court is “vetted.” Everybody on that list was “vetted” by the Federalist Society to insure they would make the kind of Supreme Court justice they, and Trump, wanted. They’ve made no secret that they want a “conservative” on the court, describing someone who will vote the way they want him to vote. That means they wanted someone who will join the other four Republican appointees to the court and vote with the 5-4 conservative majority that has overturned so many long-settled areas of the law over the last decade.

That’s our Brett, all right. He’s a made-man in the Federalist Society. But the problem is, he was vetted for his voting, but not for his sex life.

The Federalist Society has among its members and former members Antonin Scalia, Edwin Meese, Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Orrin Hatch, Ted Cruz, Samuel Alito, and Kenneth Starr. I mean, just look at that cast of characters: the judges among them believe you don’t have a right to privacy under the Constitution, and neither do the Senators or Bork, who was rejected by the Senate for the Supreme Court in 1987 because his legal views were so extreme. They believe corporations are “people” with the right to spend as much as they want to influence American elections. They believe the Voting Rights Act did too much to protect the rights of voters, so they removed its key enforcement authority. And they’re all basically fine with the idea that wealthy, white men ought to be running things in this country, and everybody else ought to stay where they belong and shut up.

www.salon.com/2018/09/26/wtf-is-wrong-with-kavanaugh-even-conservative
-bro-culture-might-not-save-him-now/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm at least 50% sure at this juncture that no matter who the nominee was, so long as he were a white male, they would be receiving these allegations.
The allegations flow naturally because the next nominee will be selected by the Federalist Society, a right-wing legal fraternity hell bent on shoehorning its brethren onto federal courts. Brett Kavanaugh is one of its members, too. He joined back when he was in law school at Yale, and he’s been a member ever since. His name was among those submitted by the Federalist Society to Donald Trump when Anthony Kennedy resigned his seat on the court.

The word that is used to describe the people on the Federalist Society’s list for the court is “vetted.” Everybody on that list was “vetted” by the Federalist Society to insure they would make the kind of Supreme Court justice they, and Trump, wanted. They’ve made no secret that they want a “conservative” on the court, describing someone who will vote the way they want him to vote. That means they wanted someone who will join the other four Republican appointees to the court and vote with the 5-4 conservative majority that has overturned so many long-settled areas of the law over the last decade.

That’s our Brett, all right. He’s a made-man in the Federalist Society. But the problem is, he was vetted for his voting, but not for his sex life.

The Federalist Society has among its members and former members Antonin Scalia, Edwin Meese, Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Orrin Hatch, Ted Cruz, Samuel Alito, and Kenneth Starr. I mean, just look at that cast of characters: the judges among them believe you don’t have a right to privacy under the Constitution, and neither do the Senators or Bork, who was rejected by the Senate for the Supreme Court in 1987 because his legal views were so extreme. They believe corporations are “people” with the right to spend as much as they want to influence American elections. They believe the Voting Rights Act did too much to protect the rights of voters, so they removed its key enforcement authority. And they’re all basically fine with the idea that wealthy, white men ought to be running things in this country, and everybody else ought to stay where they belong and shut up.

Seriously, if anyone wants to point out a real, genuine Deep State and not some bogey man from the movies, it's the Federalist Society.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:53 PM

Yup. He's their boy. A "made man," due to his dedication to their undemocratic agenda. They don't care about his character. They don't care about ethics at all. They just want what they want. He's a tool, a means to an end, nothing more.

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:53 PM

I heard an interesting segment on NPR a couple of weeks ago, and one of the interviewees said that the Democrats have never focused on the importance of the Supreme Court like the Republicans have.

I have to agree. Just look at what happened since Trump was elected ... it's been RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! 24/7 in their neocon/neoliberal/neo-McCarthyite campaign to get rid of Trump. Now, SUDDENLY, they realize that they face a real crisis (and not just a phony made-up one) with the Supreme Court.

I'm not a fan of the Federalist Society, I hate most of the conservative rulings that they favor, and I just wish that the Dems had made a more adult effort to win their elections instead of playing identity politics.

And BTW they're STILL playing identity politics. Well, they get what they deserve. Too bad we "get" what they deserve too.

*****

There is still hope for Dems, tho. IF they can manage to win enough seats in Congress they can pass legislation which the Supreme Court would have to respond to. One of the reasons why the Supreme Court has so much influence is because Congress has abdicated its power to both the President and the SC by allowing one branch to "enforce" laws which it has not written (for example, immigration reform) and allowing the other branch to "interpret" laws which it has not made explicit. If Congress were to write clear, explicit, comprehensive, proactive legislation ... oh, and btw take back it's duty to declare war ... then the President and SC wouldn't be so influential.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:16 PM

True enough.

I have a different focus. At the moment, the political hysteria is through the roof - it's become an incoherent shouting match of increasing volume.

What I DON'T see coming off the dems in this instance - and did not see it at all either before, during, or after the election up to this point - is a plan to solve any real problems.

Nope. All this is about the dem politicians scoring political points for themselves within Congress against repubs within Congress. We the people don't factor in at all. Anyone who expects dems are going to make things better at our level are in for disappointment.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:25 PM

I had to chuckle at that video, KIKI. That pretty much sums up our current political atmosphere. And the Dems? They're more interested in "playing politics" than in governing ... which means "solving real problems".

Repubs play politics, too. But while everyone is distracted by phony conflicts and amped-up theater, the elite keep moving their chess pieces behind the scenes.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

THG

Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Yup. He's their boy. A "made man," due to his dedication to their undemocratic agenda. They don't care about his character. They don't care about ethics at all. They just want what they want. He's a tool, a means to an end, nothing more.

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 12:02 AM

Watching some of the hearing. She seems sincere.

I think it's sad that the Republicans are fine with a lout like Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS.

They're more interested in accommodating the dumbest wanna-be dictator in history.

THG

Friday, September 28, 2018 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Watching some of the hearing. She seems sincere.

I think it's sad that the Republicans are fine with a lout like Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS.

They're more interested in accommodating the dumbest wanna-be dictator in history.

He's pissed and crying in his opening statement. Want to see how he stands up to the questions put to him.

T

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 2:14 AM

He was crying a lot, denying everything.

More emotional than Thomas was. I'm surprised he didn't call it a "high tech lynching."

So, who's lying?

THG

Friday, September 28, 2018 2:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
He was crying a lot, denying everything.

More emotional than Thomas was. I'm surprised he didn't call it a "high tech lynching."

So, who's lying?

It's entirely possible due to blackouts he doesn't remember a lot. Still, there is no way if how much it is rumored he drank is true, that he doesn't know he did some fucked up shit.

T

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 2:44 AM

This is absolutely maudlin. Cringey af.

It may be that he doesn't remember, but he's falling on his face.

Graham is screaming. LOL!

THG

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
This is absolutely maudlin. Cringey af.

It may be that he doesn't remember, but he's falling on his face.

Graham is screaming. LOL!

He showed up and is fighting back. That's all it takes with many. Still, when pressured to allow an investigation, over and over again he dodges and won't say yes. Bottom line...When asked about others who knew him back then who say he lied he knows no investigation means they can't be called to testify.
T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm at least 50% sure at this juncture that no matter who the nominee was, so long as he were a white male, they would be receiving these allegations.
The allegations flow naturally because the next nominee will be selected by the Federalist Society, a right-wing legal fraternity hell bent on shoehorning its brethren onto federal courts. Brett Kavanaugh is one of its members, too. He joined back when he was in law school at Yale, and he’s been a member ever since. His name was among those submitted by the Federalist Society to Donald Trump when Anthony Kennedy resigned his seat on the court.

The word that is used to describe the people on the Federalist Society’s list for the court is “vetted.” Everybody on that list was “vetted” by the Federalist Society to insure they would make the kind of Supreme Court justice they, and Trump, wanted. They’ve made no secret that they want a “conservative” on the court, describing someone who will vote the way they want him to vote. That means they wanted someone who will join the other four Republican appointees to the court and vote with the 5-4 conservative majority that has overturned so many long-settled areas of the law over the last decade.

That’s our Brett, all right. He’s a made-man in the Federalist Society. But the problem is, he was vetted for his voting, but not for his sex life.

The Federalist Society has among its members and former members Antonin Scalia, Edwin Meese, Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Orrin Hatch, Ted Cruz, Samuel Alito, and Kenneth Starr. I mean, just look at that cast of characters: the judges among them believe you don’t have a right to privacy under the Constitution, and neither do the Senators or Bork, who was rejected by the Senate for the Supreme Court in 1987 because his legal views were so extreme. They believe corporations are “people” with the right to spend as much as they want to influence American elections. They believe the Voting Rights Act did too much to protect the rights of voters, so they removed its key enforcement authority. And they’re all basically fine with the idea that wealthy, white men ought to be running things in this country, and everybody else ought to stay where they belong and shut up.

www.salon.com/2018/09/26/wtf-is-wrong-with-kavanaugh-even-conservative
-bro-culture-might-not-save-him-now/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Once again, I'd like to point out to everyone that Second has the only legitimate conversation taking place about the reasons why Kavanaugh is not a good idea. I only wish that his outlook and presentation of various other ideas was more in line with his process of arguing against Kavanaugh's appointment. I'm actually feeling the tiniest spark of remembrance of what the Democratic party was when GWB was president. More than seeing Second do this, I'd love for the Democratic party to do a complete 180 on its identity politics and other reactionary tactics and go back to what they were good at.

Consider my curiosity piqued, Second. Who would you suggest would make a better Supreme Court nomination for the people if you were in charge today and why?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, September 28, 2018 4:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Consider my curiosity piqued, Second. Who would you suggest would make a better Supreme Court nomination for the people if you were in charge today and why?

Merrick Garland. He has never been on the short list of the Federalist Society. He never had a mystery benefactor pay his mortgage on his multi-million dollar house. He never stated that a President cannot be indicted or subpoenaed. The 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their refusal to even consider him. And Garland would not be defending himself by explaining he never blacked out after drinking, as Kavanaugh is doing on TV right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Supreme_Court_candidates#Sh
ort_list

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 28, 2018 6:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Consider my curiosity piqued, Second. Who would you suggest would make a better Supreme Court nomination for the people if you were in charge today and why?
Merrick Garland. He has never been on the short list of the Federalist Society. He never had a mystery benefactor pay his mortgage on his multi-million dollar house. He never stated that a President cannot be indicted or subpoenaed. The 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their refusal to even consider him. And Garland would not be defending himself by explaining he never blacked out after drinking, as Kavanaugh is doing on TV right now.

I actually like a lot of Garland's history, from the short amount that I've read of him before replying here.

The 11 Republicans you speak of would have denied anybody that Obama put up, so I can't say that it was anything personal against Garland himself, other than just being Obama's pick.

Maybe my brain still has some cobwebs since I just woke up, but could somebody explain this little blurb about his stance on the 2nd ammendment:

Quote:
In 2007, Garland voted in favor of en banc review of the D.C. Circuit's panel decision in Parker v. District of Columbia invalidating the D.C. handgun ban, which the Supreme Court subsequently affirmed 5–4 in an opinion by Justice Scalia.[20] Goldstein commented, "Garland did not take a formal position on the merits of the case" and "even if he had concluded that the statute was constitutional, that view of the case would have conformed" to widespread views under then-existing Supreme Court precedent.[20] Trevor Burrus of the Cato Institute nonetheless wrote that libertarians and conservatives should be concerned about Garland's stance on gun rights.[60]

That description seems to be saying two opposing things to me.

In any event, I think that we'd be much better off with Garland on the supreme court than either Kavanaugh or Sonia Sotomayor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 9:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm at least 50% sure at this juncture that no matter who the nominee was, so long as he were a white male, they would be receiving these allegations.
The allegations flow naturally because the next nominee will be selected by the Federalist Society, a right-wing legal fraternity hell bent on shoehorning its brethren onto federal courts. Brett Kavanaugh is one of its members, too. He joined back when he was in law school at Yale, and he’s been a member ever since. His name was among those submitted by the Federalist Society to Donald Trump when Anthony Kennedy resigned his seat on the court.

The word that is used to describe the people on the Federalist Society’s list for the court is “vetted.” Everybody on that list was “vetted” by the Federalist Society to insure they would make the kind of Supreme Court justice they, and Trump, wanted. They’ve made no secret that they want a “conservative” on the court, describing someone who will vote the way they want him to vote. That means they wanted someone who will join the other four Republican appointees to the court and vote with the 5-4 conservative majority that has overturned so many long-settled areas of the law over the last decade.

That’s our Brett, all right. He’s a made-man in the Federalist Society. But the problem is, he was vetted for his voting, but not for his sex life.

The Federalist Society has among its members and former members Antonin Scalia, Edwin Meese, Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Orrin Hatch, Ted Cruz, Samuel Alito, and Kenneth Starr. I mean, just look at that cast of characters: the judges among them believe you don’t have a right to privacy under the Constitution, and neither do the Senators or Bork, who was rejected by the Senate for the Supreme Court in 1987 because his legal views were so extreme. They believe corporations are “people” with the right to spend as much as they want to influence American elections. They believe the Voting Rights Act did too much to protect the rights of voters, so they removed its key enforcement authority. And they’re all basically fine with the idea that wealthy, white men ought to be running things in this country, and everybody else ought to stay where they belong and shut up.

www.salon.com/2018/09/26/wtf-is-wrong-with-kavanaugh-even-conservative
-bro-culture-might-not-save-him-now/

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Once again, I'd like to point out to everyone that Second has the only legitimate conversation taking place about the reasons why Kavanaugh is not a good idea. I only wish that his outlook and presentation of various other ideas was more in line with his process of arguing against Kavanaugh's appointment. I'm actually feeling the tiniest spark of remembrance of what the Democratic party was when GWB was president. More than seeing Second do this, I'd love for the Democratic party to do a complete 180 on its identity politics and other reactionary tactics and go back to what they were good at.

Consider my curiosity piqued, Second. Who would you suggest would make a better Supreme Court nomination for the people if you were in charge today and why?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I didn't expect you to be this gullible. I conjured once you slept it off you'd return to Reason.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, September 28, 2018 12:36 PM

Well, after watching her compelling testimony, it seems that point is moot.
Now I'm more than convinced this motherfucker is the Scumbag that I thought
he was going in. 1000% sure now.

I did wait to see his testimony and he sealed the deal within the first five minutes of his tirade. This guy had the balls to plagerize Clarence Thomas'
nomination hearing vomit. The motherfucking Nazi Regime could suck my dick
if they think that little performance was actually believable. Both Kavanaugh
and Graham should be put up for an Oscar, Most Vile Performance by two
low-life wannabes.

What a fucking Nazi crybaby coward, and Graham honored his friend McCain by
licking Trump's ass in Macy's window.

Yay Second, you are now in Jack's Hall of Fame.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
When his daughters get drugged and RAPED, then maybe he'll remember what he
did.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pretty sure at this point that Kavanaugh fucked anything with tits.

If you're female and you disagree with this statement, that only means that the drugs did their job.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Or he wont, assuming the 50% chance that he didn't do anything wrong at all.

To be honest, Second is the only person in this thread who is bringing any actual legitimate reasons why people should be wary of Kavanaugh being confirmed.

Everything else is just your typical illiberal bullshit that can be expected and seen a mile away in 2018.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, September 28, 2018 12:57 PM

The guy is a sleaze and turd-bucket rolled into one. Did you see how arrogant
and aggressive he got with Klobuchar? That right there shows his true nature, and he was literally tripping over his own words. I saw this during the original hearings last week.

He gets totally tongue tied with Kamala Harris, who presses him on incomplete
non-answers. And he kept glancing over to (Fuckface) Grassley, who continuously struggled with keeping pace of the festivities. He kept thinking that Grassley was going to save him because he couldn't handle the pressure.
This is a judge!? What a maroon!

Outside of Dr. Ford's testimony, this so-called hearing was such a SHAM..e!
I knew that the Republicans (fucking cowards) had something up their sleeve
as they used the prosecutor from Arizona. They pushed her aside like so much trash, and they took over to make political speeches and point fingers at the Dems.

And anyone who thinks that Kavanaugh is innocent after that performance needs
counseling. Either that or a lobotomy (ooops, too late).

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
This is absolutely maudlin. Cringey af.

It may be that he doesn't remember, but he's falling on his face.

Graham is screaming. LOL!

He showed up and is fighting back. That's all it takes with many. Still, when pressured to allow an investigation, over and over again he dodges and won't say yes. Bottom line...When asked about others who knew him back then who say he lied he knows no investigation means they can't be called to testify.
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SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 1:12 PM

Quote:
And anyone who thinks that Kavanaugh is innocent after that performance needs counseling. Either that or a lobotomy (ooops, too late).

Emotion aside, was any new evidence presented that bolstered Dr Ford's case? Because aside from her "demeanor" I'm under the impression that we pretty much stand in the same place as before; except that I heard about the calendar (or diary) that Kananaugh kept. (Was in the car so listening to the radio)

I admit I didn't listen much to the hearings except here and there since I was pretty busy. So if something popped up I'd be interested in knowing about it.

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SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, September 28, 2018 1:22 PM

Quote:
Right now, it's a three-ring circus.

With Ringmaster Trump leading the way, followed closely by "Pigshit" Graham.
Grassley will play the role of the Scarecrow (because he doesn't have a brain).

What a fucking SHAM..e, the republicans have all three branches and have to underhanded scumbag play to get their man into SCOTUS. Saw that coming a mile away. A female prosecutor, who finished proving Dr. Ford's case despite every effort to make her look bad. FAIL!!!

Meanwhile Graham is sucking Trump's dick and getting a reach around from Putin. He missed his calling, he should have went in for acting.

Quote:
What one has to keep firmly in mind is that an allegation- no matter how shocking and heinous- is just that: an accusation without proof.

Right. Did you see the sweat coming off Kavanaugh's face whenever Durbin and Harris mentioned FBI investigation? And where is Judge? He's cringing in the
basement of his friend's house, desperately hiding out to keep from cracking
under the pressure. What a true friend!

Quote:
As far as the first two allegations are concerned, I think that I have REASONABLE doubts about their accuracy, and that these REASONABLE doubts need to be answered before a conclusion can be reached. Other statements are coming forward about the other allegations, and those need to be sorted out as well.

Gee, that's funny....that sounds an awful lot like what's needed is an investigation. Why? and I repeat...why? did Judge go into double secret hiding? I think I might know why. As for Kavanaugh...the sweat on his brow
said it all.

SGG

SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 1:49 PM

Quote:
Right. Did you see the sweat coming off Kavanaugh's face whenever Durbin and Harris mentioned FBI investigation?

No, like I said, I was busy. I heard the part about Kavanaugh's diary/calendar on the radio whilst driving dear daughter to and from therapy.

I take it from what I heard afterwards that Kavanaugh made a point of evading the question about an FBI investigation. I'm not really sure I understand the downside ... maybe the GOP thinks that it will turn into another witch hunt like the Mueller investigation? Or at least be delayed long enough to put the vote into November when Dems might have the Senate? Kavanaugh has spent his entire career aiming for this appointment. There seems to be a lot at stake ... enough to make a man sweat, guilty or not.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:25 PM

Brett Kavanaugh and the Adolescent Aggression of Conservative Masculinity
https://www.newyorker.com/news/current/brett-kavanaughs-adolescent-tem
per-tantrum-before-the-senate-judiciary-committee

“I love Kavanaugh’s tone,” Donald Trump, Jr., tweeted fifteen minutes into Brett Kavanaugh’s opening statement in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He was referring to the judge’s wildly emotional performance, in which he alternated between shouting, as he blamed the Clintons and the Democrats for conspiring to torpedo his nomination to the Supreme Court, and weeping, as he spoke about the pain that he and his family have experienced in the weeks since accusations of sexual assault against him became public. Kavanaugh choked up and sobbed as he described his father’s detailed calendars, which apparently inspired his own calendar-keeping practice; he seemed unable to gain control over himself, gasping and taking frequent sips of water. The initial impression was of naked emotional vulnerability, but Kavanaugh was setting a tone. Embedded in the histrionics were the unmistakable notes of fury and bullying. Kavanaugh shouted over Dianne Feinstein to complain about the “outrage” of not being allowed to testify earlier; when asked about his drinking, by Sheldon Whitehouse, he replied, “I like beer. You like beer? What do you like to drink, Senator?” with a note of aggressive petulance that is hard to square with his preferred self-image of judicious impartiality and pious Sunday churchgoing. Lindsey Graham eagerly took up the angry-man mantle, using his allotted five minutes of questioning to furiously shout at his Democratic colleagues.

What we are seeing is a model of American conservative masculinity that has become popular in the past few years, one that is directly tied to the loutish, aggressive frat-boy persona that Kavanaugh is purportedly seeking to dissociate himself from. Gone are the days of a terse John Wayne-style stoicism. Now we have Trump, ranting and raving at his rallies; we have Alex Jones, whose habit of screaming and floridly weeping as he spouts his conspiracy theories is a key part of his appeal to his audience. When Kavanaugh is not crying or shouting, he uses a distinctly adolescent tone that might best be described as “talking back.” He does not respond to senators. He negs them. His response, when he is asked about his drinking, is to flip the question and ask the senators how they like their alcohol; his refusal to say whether he would coöperate with an F.B.I. investigation brings to mind a teen-ager stonewalling his parents. If Kavanaugh is trying to convince the public that he could never have been capable, as a teen-ager, of aggression or peer pressure, this is an odd way to go about it.---

He acted precisely like some entitled rich kid lying to his parents. Poor judgement makes for a poor judge.

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
maybe the GOP thinks that it will turn into another witch hunt like the Mueller investigation?

You mean the witch hunt that has resulted in indictments, guilty pleas and jail terms? That witch hunt?

SECOND

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Right. Did you see the sweat coming off Kavanaugh's face whenever Durbin and Harris mentioned FBI investigation?
No, like I said, I was busy. I heard the part about Kavanaugh's diary/calendar on the radio whilst driving dear daughter to and from therapy.

I take it from what I heard afterwards that Kavanaugh made a point of evading the question about an FBI investigation. I'm not really sure I understand the downside ... maybe the GOP thinks that it will turn into another witch hunt like the Mueller investigation? Or at least be delayed long enough to put the vote into November when Dems might have the Senate? Kavanaugh has spent his entire career aiming for this appointment. There seems to be a lot at stake ... enough to make a man sweat, guilty or not.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Since when does the accused get to have a say in whether the FBI investigates? The accused is Kavanaugh and he did not enthusiastically want the FBI to help him get confirmed. He couldn't ask the FBI to question his high school friends about his drinking and sex life. The friends have already answered, but when the FBI asks a question, rather than a reporter, it is a crime to lie to the FBI. Not a crime to lie to a reporter.

Christine Blasey Ford finished testifying, and judging by Twitter and cable, the widespread consensus among neutral observers and even some Republicans has been that she was entirely credible. Ford was endearingly convincing in declaring that her only true motive in coming forward was to help the assembled senators — and the country.

Ford was cautious when navigating the perils of memory, and struck an oddly compelling balance by airing her own emotions while explaining them in the clinical language of a psychology professor.

Republicans avoided going hard at Ford in a way that might have alienated millions of suburban and college-educated white women who will decide the midterms. But what they did not count on was that Ford’s performance might have a force all its own, independent of whatever Republicans did or did not do to frame the day’s events.

I don’t know if the force of Ford’s performance will be enough to get two Republicans to oppose Kavanaugh’s confirmation. But if they do confirm him after Ford’s showing, it seems even clearer today that Republicans will indeed pay a big political price with suburban and college-educated white women.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/27/lindsey-grahams-m
eltdown-gives-away-the-gop-game-on-kavanaugh/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0c8985fb6df1

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REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 3:48 PM

Kavanaugh Repeatedly Claimed That Ford’s Friend Said the Assault “Didn’t Happen.’’ That’s Not True.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-le
land-keyser-statement.html

His testimony was shrill, defiant, obnoxious, and not entirely true.

He sounded like a spoiled rich kid denying everything to the school principal, even when caught red-handed.

Brat Kavanaugh.

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 4:34 PM

Kavanaugh says he's victim of 'revenge on behalf of the Clintons'
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408821-kavanaugh-says-hes-victim-o
f-revenge-on-behalf-of-the-clintons

Partisan judge, claiming to be impartial enough for Supreme Court seat, offers baseless, right-wing conspiracy theory in his own defense. Also, beer.

He did, however, work tirelessly to smear the Clintons, so maybe they did pay Dr. Ford to lie for them, with all that money they made selling uranium to Russia...

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 4:55 PM

Kennedy: Will you swear and attest in front of God that you’re innocent?

Kavanaugh: Yes, absolutely!

Durbin: Will you swear and attest in front of the FBI that you’re innocent?

Kavanaugh: Um.. Uh...

Harris: I'll take that as a "no."

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 5:24 PM

Kavanaugh is lying. His upbringing explains why.
The elite learn early that they’re special — and that they won’t face consequences.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/kavanaugh-is-lying-his-upbringi
ng-explains-why/2018/09/27/2b596314-c270-11e8-b338-a3289f6cb742_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.fcb140559ba2

JO753

Friday, September 28, 2018 5:44 PM

Perfect, reaver.

I woct the entire hearing and that sumz
It up. Kav liez wen he thinks he can get
away with it.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 28, 2018 5:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I didn't expect you to be this gullible. I conjured once you slept it off you'd return to Reason.

I'm not gullible. I've made no illusions to anyone here that I was a Republican. I've never been a Republican.

When the people on the side I agree with less in 2018 constantly call you names though, it's really easy to find yourself on the opposing side.

Second must have finally read How to Win Friends and Influence People over the weekend. Either that, or he is possibly starting to see himself that the tactics the Democrats have taken the last two years are ineffectual at best, and catastrophic for the party at worst.

I'm open for a debate about things that doesn't involve somebody calling me an idiot or a Nazi, or as is often in Second's case an underhanded remark that stupid people wouldn't even realize was an insult.

Second did none of those things here, so I see no reason not to at least hear him out. It's not as if I'm a huge fan of any Republican politicians out there. Chances are I wouldn't be a fan of his choice if I really knew a lot about him either, but TBH I have seen far worse. I could name a few that are on the Supreme Court right now that I'd rather see be replaced with Garland.

TO SECOND:

I won't hold my breath that you'll continue this type of conversation in the future, but I have to say that it is appreciated. I'm more than willing to continue civil discourse in the future if you are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 5:54 PM

Kavanaugh spouted off 4chan/Alex Jones conspiracy theory while testifying for a lifetime appointment in our federal government. “It’s the Clinton family and Dems making this stuff up.” He said that.

That old adage “When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on you side, pound the table,” arguably needs updating for the Trump era; perhaps "When neither is on your side, call it fake news, a witch hunt, and a partisan political conspiracy."

SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 8:15 PM

The Committee is voting ... now ... on whether to send the vote to the entire Senate, and the vote is going to be "yes", people say.

The Senate vote will be held on Monday, I believe.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 28, 2018 8:20 PM

My prediction is that we don't have to wait until Monday for the answer. I don't believe it's going to go to the Senate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 8:34 PM

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Friday, September 28, 2018 8:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Kavanaugh spouted off 4chan/Alex Jones conspiracy theory while testifying for a lifetime appointment in our federal government. “It’s the Clinton family and Dems making this stuff up.” He said that.

That old adage “When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on you side, pound the table,” arguably needs updating for the Trump era; perhaps "When neither is on your side, call it fake news, a witch hunt, and a partisan political conspiracy."

Tribalism, Kavanaugh came out waving the flag of tribalism. He even said the Clintons' were somehow behind what was happening. I felt bad for him because his problems were alcohol based dating back to his teens, and he apparently got a handle on that. He did work hard and became quite the success. Only to see his past catch up to him on the eve of his coronation onto the Supreme Court, his dream come true.

However it can't be stated enough, he was asked 19 times to let the FBI take a few days to look into this and that's when his credibility vanished. He dodged the question each and every time and became belligerent. He is a judge who was denying and blocking due process. That's a head scratcher. This investigation could have taken place in as little as three days. Nope, he and the republicans want no part of that.

Another problem for Kavanaugh and the republicans, is that after the November elections if the democrats take back the house they will have subpoena power. Then the investigation will take place. The democrats have already said so. If that investigation shows the republicans knowingly put a sex offender on the Supreme Court the consequences could be disastrous. Think of the reaction of women if that happens.

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SECOND

Friday, September 28, 2018 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second must have finally read How to Win Friends and Influence People over the weekend. Either that, or he is possibly starting to see himself that the tactics the Democrats have taken the last two years are ineffectual at best, and catastrophic for the party at worst.

I'm open for a debate about things that doesn't involve somebody calling me an idiot or a Nazi, or as is often in Second's case an underhanded remark that stupid people wouldn't even realize was an insult.

Second did none of those things here, so I see no reason not to at least hear him out. It's not as if I'm a huge fan of any Republican politicians out there. Chances are I wouldn't be a fan of his choice if I really knew a lot about him either, but TBH I have seen far worse. I could name a few that are on the Supreme Court right now that I'd rather see be replaced with Garland.

TO SECOND:

I won't hold my breath that you'll continue this type of conversation in the future, but I have to say that it is appreciated. I'm more than willing to continue civil discourse in the future if you are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

In the real world, I've got to be careful not to destroy somebody. But here, I can use a shotgun from three feet away without worry of splattering myself with their blood. The thing about a shotgun is that it is too easy, but even with a fatal blast, nobody here notices, nobody falls down dead. I will go back to what I do best, rifle at 150 yards, 1 shot to the heart.

Here is my 1 shot: all that talk yesterday made no difference. The vote is scheduled for 1:30PM ET today where it will be 11 Republicans vs 10 Democrats on the committee. I'm pretty sure I know how they will vote, already.

In the full Senate, Republicans do not currently have the votes to confirm Kavanaugh, multiple senior aides and senators tell CNN. But GOP leaders see a path to 50 votes -- meaning they could lose one Republican and have Vice President Mike Pence break a potential tie -- so they're going to gamble with a damaged nominee who is viscerally opposed by Democrats.

More at www.cnn.com/2018/09/28/politics/kavanaugh-senate-judiciary-vote/index.
html

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REAVERFAN

Friday, September 28, 2018 10:26 PM

He's not only opposed by Democrats, but a large majority of Americans, period.

SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 10:28 PM

Quote:
My prediction is that we don't have to wait until Monday for the answer. I don't believe it's going to go to the Senate. - SIX

The Committee GOP leadership wouldn't take a vote unless they were pretty sure that the votes were secured.

There's one thing that I think all (or nearly all) GOP Senators are on-board with, and that's the importance of getting a conservative Justice appointed. I'm trying to understand how they see their options

1) Hold a Senate vote next week. Unless they've counted their votes carefully, it could be a risky proposition. If they have the vote, they get their nominee on the Supreme Court, altho they might lose a few Senators in the process. Perhaps they've made that calculation and found an acceptable loss. However, if the vote FAILS, then all hell breaks loose for them: Not only do they not get the nomination but they have to start the process all over again ... certain not to be completed before November.

2) Toss this nominee overboard. But this winds up with the same calculus as not getting the vote next week- or even by November- with absolutely no chance of "success". This is not an option.

3) Request an FBI investigation. As I understand it, the FBI would basically interview additional people ... or perhaps even the same people that they interviewed earlier when they did their background checks ... and provide their reports with no conclusion about "guilt" or "innocence" (I don't know if they weigh in on credibility) to the DOJ, WH and from there to the Senate Committee. The Committee members would have to read the reports ("302s") and if there were outstanding questions they would still have to hold additional hearings and take additional testimony and they would STILL have to decide who to believe ... it's not up to the FBI to constantly recycle the "investigation" process because the Senate Committee can't do its job of holding hearings and gathering information and reaching a conclusion.

The Committee seems anxious to avoid interviewing Judge. Likely there's a lot to be learned about HIM, which may not be relevant to Kavanaugh but certain to taint Kavanaugh's nomination.

It would be interesting to read the (six) background checks that Kavanaugh has been through to see if they address the time, behavior, and friends of his earlier life, but we will never be privy to that information.

*****

FWIW, as I hear bits and pieces about the testimony, I gather that the prep school system is awash in alcohol, with hidden, unreported underage binge drinking going on for some girls as well as some boys. That is the privilege of being privileged white youth (Please don't think that Ford was any less privileged than Kavanaugh; after all SHE was going to Holton Arms Academy, a private "high school" where the current tuition is $30,000/ year.)

It sounds, overall, like a toxic atmosphere of privilege and license. You could be as good ... or as bad ... as your inclinations led. I speculate that Kavanaugh was "good" most of the time, which is why so many people from that time support him. But on occasion he drank too much, altho not habitually (otherwise he wouldn't have widespread support from the people who knew him). He might have been in the company of someone who drank ... a LOT ... possibly Judge. I can IMAGINE Kavanaugh being caught up in some of Judge's excesses... something the Committee seems intent on avoiding learning about.

Judge seems to be determined not to get in the way of Kavanaugh's approval, which is why he's hiding out. He has his sworn statement ("I don't recall") but seems anxious not to be questioned about that, or other possible incidents in his own history or Kavanaugh's.

I wonder what the yearbook says about Mark Judge?

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SIGNYM

Friday, September 28, 2018 11:09 PM

I guess my suppositions about Judge were pretty correct .. he admits a history of binge drinking and (later) alcoholism.

Quote:
What the man accused of being part of Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual assault had to say about women’s sexuality

In two memoirs, Judge depicted his high school as a nest of debauchery where students attended “masturbation class,” “lusted after girls” from nearby Catholic schools and drank themselves into stupors at parties. He has since renounced that lifestyle and refashioned himself as a conservative moralist — albeit one who has written about “the wonderful beauty of uncontrollable male passion.”

... Judge never wrote about any sexual violence at those parties, nor did he mention Kavanaugh attending any. But Judge’s 1997 memoir, “Wasted,” references a “Bart O’Kavanaugh” character who passes out drunk and throws up in a car.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/09/
17/what-the-man-accused-of-helping-kavanaugh-assault-a-woman-wrote-about-female-sexuality/?utm_term=.be71c5242dbc

However, "lusting after" girls and masturbating are usually done without actual girls being present. So he hasn't admitted to any sort of sexual assault after-the-fact.

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THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:22 AM

Republican Jeff Flake voted to send the Kavanaugh nomination to the full Senate but will vote no if no FBI investigation takes place. An investigation that can continue for one week.

Wow...

T

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:30 AM

I was changing my mind about Kavanaugh ... not on the basis of the allegations, but on the basis of his response to the prospect of an FBI investigation. At one point (the point where I was listening) he said that he would do whatever the Committee wanted him to do, and then after that evaded the question.

I got the feeling that there was something hinky going on. It might have been about "guilt " or "innocence" but it also might have been about something political going on in the background. I felt that Kavanaugh might have been answering that question as directed by the Committee GOP, which is why his answers on that point seemed so inauthentic.

I couldn't see the political "down side" to an FBI investigation until now ...

According to the GOP. the Dems on the Committee REFUSED TO BE PART OF THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION, when the Committee was getting affidavits and information from various witnesses, because they had ALREADY decided that none of them were voting for Kavanaugh. But the last-minute allegations coming from left field (so to speak) were part of a Dem delaying tactic, and additional hearings and investigations are simply part of additional delaying tactic by the Dems ... not because it will change any of their votes or unearth any additional information, and not even because it will change the final outcome, but to KEEP THIS ISSUE BEFORE THE VOTERS FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THE MIDTERMS.

RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! didn't work. MOST people believe that it irrelevant to ... well ... anything, and the longer it's flogged (with no results) the less credible it becomes.

FURTHERMORE, the House and Senate want to make some revelations of their own, right before the midterms, particularly about the crooked basis of the RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! investigation, and they don't want the Kavanaugh hearings/vote occupying the news cycle.

I think I get it now.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:34 AM

I would inform comrade SIG that in this country we can focus on several things at once.

T

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:43 AM

Quote:
I would inform comrade SIG that in this country we can focus on several things at once. -THUGR

You, THUGR, are a "serial forgetter". No soon does the M$M drop a story then it's "out of sight, out of mind" - for you!

IMHO I doubt you can pay attention to even ONE thing at once.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I would inform comrade SIG that in this country we can focus on several things at once.

Yep. She's said Russia! more than anyone else on this forum lately. I'm sure Mueller has barely looked up.

Fwiw: this was never about finding out what actually happened - obviously. Frankly, I'm not sure, other than for optics, why they let Ford even speak. That back fired optics-wise, but as in all things about this none of that other stuff like optics and The Truth really mattered: the fix and the math was always going to win. Rudy should have said: "There are many Truths."

I have little doubt he did what she says he did. 98%-99%? More glaring than that was his display of lack of cool under pressure and the lying about even small things and simple childishness at his age, "oh yeah, but what about you?!? Do you like beer? I bet you do!" He proved to me that he does not have the character to be one of the top judges in the US.

But, none of that matters - math.

Flake's such a wuss. He wants it both ways.

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 1:00 AM

T

Two emotional women confronted Republican Sen. Jeff Flake in an elevator. Earlier today, the senator said he would vote to confirm U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 1:29 AM

Mark Judge Kavanaugh's drinking friend now says through his lawyer that he will cooperate fully in any FBI investigation. Will Kavanaguh withdraw?

T

REAVERFAN

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
T

Two emotional women confronted Republican Sen. Jeff Flake in an elevator. Earlier today, the senator said he would vote to confirm U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

]

"Look at Me When I'm Talking to You!": Sexual Assault Survivors Furious at Sen. Jeff Flake After Says He'll Vote to Confirm Kavanaugh

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/09/28/look-me-when-im-talking-y
ou-sexual-assault-survivors-furious-sen-jeff-flake-after

Symbolic of the venality of the fascist Republican party.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:22 AM

People have said "This is an interview, not a criminal trial".

True enough.

I recall having to do a "background check" on someone that we were considering hiring. He had actually worked as a temporary in our lab ... not for me, but as a "floater" for two other groups.

So I did my due diligence and I asked one lady in one group who said "I think he fudged his numbers. I think he said that he cleaned and blanked sampling cans when he didn't."

Whoa, that's pretty serious! So I asked another person in another group what they thought and SHE said He said he ran a bunch of samples on the ion chromatograph but he didn't because I can't find the data anywhere.

Well! I told the manager what I;d find out ... I was ready to trash-can the guy ... fortunately he was a lot more "up" on what was going on in the other groups. He told the applicant what was said about him, and the applicant basically said I was running around with my hair on fire, trying to fill in for the other can-blanker who got fired and run the other instrument at the same time. THIS is the work that I did with the cans, and HERE is the data from the ion chromatograph.

It turns out that these two women (both Asians, and friends) had just taken a grotch against this (white male) guy for whatever reason and decided to torpedo his application. It's a good thing that manager followed up because this guy became one of our most productive and dedicated staff, and wound up getting promoted, twice.

And then there was this other guy, who was railroaded by the same Asian-lady gang. Yeah, this guy was sarcastic, and yes, he was kind of tough to take, but he did NOT touch women. Still, none of the evidence that was provided in his support was enough to overcome this rather calculated effort on their part, and so he was unjustly punished.

Women have a right to be heard. They don't necessarily have a right to be believed.

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SECOND

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:23 AM

In the morning, the Republican senators used an outside prosecutor to try to pick apart Christine Blasey Ford’s credibility live on national television. They refused to subpoena Mark Judge, the key witness, or launch the FBI investigation Ford asked for. And after hearing her testimony, and judging it credible, they simply ignored it.

In the afternoon, those same senators feted Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, the man Ford accused of attacking her. They cut off the prosecutor they hired in order to give speech after speech lamenting the way he and his family have suffered. They said they didn’t question that Ford’s assault was real, but perhaps her memory was flawed; whoever had assaulted her, could she really be trusted to say it was Kavanaugh?

Ford’s testimony was — by wide acclaim — powerful, specific, and gutting. She was a friendly witness, trying to answer questions, asking repeatedly for an investigation to help clear the holes in her own memory, thanking the committee for the consideration they gave her. Her expertise as a professor of clinical psychology kept shining through as she offered clear, powerful explanations of how trauma worked on the brain, how it had worked on her brain.

Even Fox News was impressed. “This is a disaster for the Republicans,” said Fox News’s Chris Wallace.

And then it was Kavanaugh’s turn.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican, delivered an unforgettable performance. He was silent during Ford’s testimony, freely yielding his time to prosecutor Rachel Mitchell. During Kavanaugh’s testimony, however, Graham buoyed the witness and ripped into the Democrats. “This is hell,” he told Kavanaugh. The hearings were “the most unethical sham” he’d seen in his decades-long political career.

“To my Republican colleagues,” Graham spat, “if you vote no, you’re legitimizing the most despicable thing I have seen in my time in politics.” He meant that the "despicable thing" was Ford's testimony.

More at www.vox.com/explainers/2018/9/27/17909782/brett-kavanaugh-christine-fo
rd-supreme-court-senate-sexual-assault-testimony

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:37 AM

SECOND

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Women have a right to be heard. They don't necessarily have a right to be believed.

Spoken like a true Republican, Signym. On Wednesday, a new NPR/Marist poll found that while large majorities of Democrats and independents believed Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination should be rejected if Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations are true, a majority of Republicans believed Kavanaugh should be confirmed even if Ford’s allegations are true. If Thursday’s hearing didn’t ultimately seem to be about the truth at all, well, perhaps that’s why: The truth was never really what Senate Republicans were after.

www.npr.org/2018/09/26/651647131/poll-nearly-6-in-10-to-closely-watch-
kavanaugh-ford-hearing-many-undecided-on-tr

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:52 AM

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:55 AM

Quote:
Women have a right to be heard. They don't necessarily have a right to be believed.- SIGNY

Quote:
Spoken like a true Republican, Signym. On Wednesday, a new NPR/Marist poll found that while large majorities of Democrats and independents believed Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination should be rejected if Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations are true, a majority of Republicans believed Kavanaugh should be confirmed even if Ford’s allegations are true.

Spoken like a true asshole, SECOND. What does my skepticism of Blasey's accuracy have to do with forging on ahead even if her allegations are demonstrated to be proven true? As usual, you're a jerk.

I've already said that I believe that SHE believes she's telling the truth. I will credit her with complete sincerity. I've also said that fragmentary memories are difficult to recover without warping them in some way (see "false memory"); it's not her sincerity that I doubt, it's her accuracy. Therefore her recollections must be CORROBORATED in some way. What I don't see is the corroboration. If you can manage to set your assholeness aside for a moment, maybe we can focus on facts.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND

Saturday, September 29, 2018 3:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Spoken like a true asshole, SECOND. What does my skepticism of Blasey's accuracy have to do with forging on ahead even if her allegations are demonstrated to be proven true? As usual, you're a jerk.

I've already said that I believe that SHE believes she's telling the truth. I will credit her with complete sincerity. I've also said that fragmentary memories are difficult to recover without warping them in some way (see "false memory"); it's not her sincerity that I doubt, it's her accuracy. Therefore her recollections must be CORROBORATED in some way. What I don't see is the corroboration. If you can manage to set your assholeness aside for a moment, maybe we can focus on facts.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Signym, you should have watched the Republican Senators on Thursday. You produced a story exactly like a GOP Senator. The Democrats didn't have any stories from the genre of the man was the victim here, that any man could be a victim, but the GOP Senators certainly did. Have you ever considered running for office as a Republican?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 3:20 AM

Avenatti says he will 'thoroughly enjoy embarrassing' Senate GOP for advancing Kavanaugh's nomination

Michael Avenatti, the attorney representing Julie Swetnick in her sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, issued a stern warning on Friday to Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Warning - If the committee advances the nomination this afternoon, my client and I are going to thoroughly enjoy embarrassing @ChuckGrassley @LindseyGrahamSC @tedcruz and all of the other GOP members on the committee this weekend when her story is told and is deemed credible,” he tweeted Friday afternoon.“And if you think I am bluffing, you have not been paying attention the last 7 months. I don’t traffic in nonsense. I traffic in facts and evidence,” he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408991-avenatti-my-client-and-i-ar
e-going-to-thoroughly-enjoy-embarrassing-judiciary

T

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:03 AM

T

Are the republicans paying attention?

SIGNYM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:29 AM

Quote:
The Democrats didn't have any stories from the genre of the man was the victim here, that any man could be a victim
That's because they're pandering to the #metoo movement.

I've seen women being victimized, and as a woman in a traditionally male field Ive had to be twice a good, AND been a victim of unremitting sexual harassment by a particular asshole and his enabling friend who tried to get me fired.

But I've seen (straight white) men victimized too. I don't mean that I've thought about how it "could" happen, I've SEEN it ... been involved in investigations of it ... regarding people who worked for me.

If you think it doesn't happen ... that only women and/or nonwhites and/or LGBTQ can be victims, then I have a suggestion for you: Have you ever thought of running as a Democrat? Because you're certainly biased enough to be one.

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Pity would be no more,
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THG
Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:45 AM

The morons are at it again. The democrats mentioned 1 in 6 men being abused several times comrade SIG. And since the president, republican party and Kavanaugh as well denied the accusers an investigation there was no reason to believe anything but that Dr. Ford was telling the truth. So that became the focus.

T

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:19 AM

All of your spittle and outrage was wasted because Trump just requested one (last) FBI investigation.

I hope after this, ya'll will be satisfied and stop hissing and spitting.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SIGNYM

Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:38 AM

Oh, and BTW ...

Quote:
The woman who charges she was gang-raped at a party where Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was present, Julie Swetnick, had a lawsuit filed against her by a former employer that alleged she engaged in “unwelcome, sexually offensive conduct” towards two male co-workers, according to court documents obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

WebTrends, a web analytics company headquartered in Portland, filed the defamation and fraud lawsuit against Swetnick in Oregon in November 2000 and also alleged that she lied about graduating from Johns Hopkins University.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-28/former-employer-sued-third-k
avanaugh-accuser-sexual-harassment-allegations

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REAVERFAN

Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and BTW ...

Quote:
The woman who charges she was gang-raped at a party where Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was present, Julie Swetnick, had a lawsuit filed against her by a former employer that alleged she engaged in “unwelcome, sexually offensive conduct” towards two male co-workers, according to court documents obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

WebTrends, a web analytics company headquartered in Portland, filed the defamation and fraud lawsuit against Swetnick in Oregon in November 2000 and also alleged that she lied about graduating from Johns Hopkins University.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-28/former-employer-sued-third-k
avanaugh-accuser-sexual-harassment-allegations

Zerohedge. We'll need a legitimate source.

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:33 AM

Right zerohedgetoo funny.

T

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:18 AM

An Injudicious Man, Unfit for the Supreme Court

T

THG

Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:24 AM

T

How'd you like to walk into a courtroom and see this guy is going to sit in judgement of you or a loved one. He actually threatened senators with payback as he testified. What comes around goes around he said.

CAPTAINCRUNCH
Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Asian-lady gang.

Jezus, granny, wtf?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, this guy was sarcastic, and yes, he was kind of tough to take, but he did NOT touch women.

And best of all, he wasn't yellow!

Of course you'll tell us he was Iranian or some such.

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REAVERFAN
Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:52 AM

TOP FALSEHOODS BY JUDGE KAVANAUGH BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON 9.27.18
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/top-falsehood
s-by-judge-kavanaugh-before-the-judiciary-committee-on-92718

Hoo-boy.

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SIGNYM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:03 AM

Quote:
Asian-lady gang.

Okay, let me tell you a little bit about two of the women. One of them at one point told our (Hispanic) technician that she (Asian) needed to check the tech's calculations because "our people are better at math".
Seriously.
Well, THAT merited a complaint to HR!

Another one was going thru a nasty divorce with her husband, who apparently wanted a younger model, and she was just pissed at men in general.

The two of them got together and not only did they file completely meritless complaints against the two (white hetero) males that I previously mentioned, one of them... the one with the "racially superior" math skills filed a discrimination lawsuit which was dismissed the moment it got to court.

Quote:
Jezus, granny, wtf?
Jezus, sonny, wtf? It is what it is, whether it fits on your rigid rxpectations or not.

Quote:
Yeah, this guy was sarcastic, and yes, he was kind of tough to take, but he did NOT touch women. - SIGNY

And best of all, he wasn't yellow!
Of course you'll tell us he was Iranian or some such.
Huh? He was a white hetero male.

I have no idea where you're coming from, except that you seem to have some extremely rigid expectations about people. Do you think that Asian women CAN'T be aggressors because they're Asian? Women? People come in all kinds of flavors no matter what gender, race, age, or religion. I've seen a lot of different behavior from all kinds of people; after a while you just realize that they're all individuals.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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REAVERFAN
Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:18 AM

Every time Ford and Kavanaugh dodged a question, in one chart
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/28/17914308/kavanaugh-f
ord-question-dodge-hearing-chart

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SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:40 AM

Turns out you're twice as bad, as a woman and a human.

Poor Siggy, can't win!

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The Democrats didn't have any stories from the genre of the man was the victim here, that any man could be a victim
That's because they're pandering to the #metoo movement.

I've seen women being victimized, and as a woman in a traditionally male field Ive had to be twice a good, AND been a victim of unremitting sexual harassment by a particular asshole and his enabling friend who tried to get me fired.

But I've seen (straight white) men victimized too. I don't mean that I've thought about how it "could" happen, I've SEEN it ... been involved in investigations of it ... regarding people who worked for me.

If you think it doesn't happen ... that only women and/or nonwhites and/or LGBTQ can be victims, then I have a suggestion for you: Have you ever thought of running as a Democrat? Because you're certainly biased enough to be one.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:52 AM

Would you buy a used car from this man?

He let Trump write his speech and then totally challenged the Dems in the hall. Talk about your Scumbags (with a capital S). This guy is so close to
Trump it's not funny. He showed his true colors, and now Dr. Ford's allegations are not so far-fetched. The arrogant prick.

Here's the good thing or, what you might call, the silver lining of all this.
The good people are waking up and fighting back, and let's face it there are
more of us than there are of them. Democracy, real democracy is alive and
well....we're coming. Enough bullshit, we're coming!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
T

How'd you like to walk into a courtroom and see this guy is going to sit in judgement of you or a loved one. He actually threatened senators with payback as he testified. What comes around goes around he said.

SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:24 PM

I watched practically the entire hearing, so the chart seems about right.

I thought that the judge's opening statement was an utter disgrace for a Supreme Court nominee. Challenging and accusatory in every sense of the
word. Imagine talking that way to your potential employer; this is not the
way to get to SCOTUS.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Every time Ford and Kavanaugh dodged a question, in one chart
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/28/17914308/kavanaugh-f
ord-question-dodge-hearing-chart

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SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:48 PM

Yes, Jeff Blake got cornered by a pair of women that laid into him and
read him the "riot act" about the message being sent to millions of women
across the country.

Democracy in action. They confronted him and spoke plainly and passionately,
convincing him that due diligence was called for, but that women's votes
matter. In the final analysis, he saw the logic in their request (and partially because he's retiring), reached out across the aisle to his friend
Senator Coons (and Klobuchar) and reached an agreement.

This was actually normal procedure way back about 20 years ago (roughly).
About the same time that the ugly right or Tea Party became a thing. How
refreshing to see the return of bipartisan politics...for the good of the
country.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Republican Jeff Flake voted to send the Kavanaugh nomination to the full Senate but will vote no if no FBI investigation takes place. An investigation that can continue for one week.

Wow...

T

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:50 PM

Apparently not, T.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
T

Are the republicans paying attention?

SIGNYM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:58 PM

Well, if you're going to slag ppl on their presentation, there's this ...

BODY LANGUAGE ANALYSIS OF BLASEY-FORD

http://www.bitchute.com/video/5uv6SHt1Z5Gm/

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, if you're going to slag ppl on their presentation, there's this ...

BODY LANGUAGE ANALYSIS OF BLASEY-FORD

http://www.bitchute.com/video/5uv6SHt1Z5Gm/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Look at the body language of the American voter, Signym:
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-gaps-between-men-and-women-over-th
e-supreme-court-and-the-election-are-at-highs/ar-BBNGou1?ocid=spartanntp

If the GOP Senators do place Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, it will change the results of the 2018 election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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CAPTAINCRUNCH
Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've seen a lot of different behavior from all kinds of people; after a while you just realize that they're all individuals.

Unless they're part of an Asian Lady Gang you mean. You do see how you just removed their individuality and packaged them into a group so you could dismiss or demean their actions, right?

Just like most bigots, you don't or won't see your own bigotry. "I'm not a racist!" yells every racist.

You are definitely not who I thought you were, and getting further and further away from it every year.

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:54 PM

Sorry Sigs, but you're on your own here. I don't have the time, energy or the desire to devote to the mob on the other side of this #MeToo movement. I'd say that you're the voice of reason here, but then again, simply partaking in this argument against a group of staunch illiberal, regressive, inter-sectional Leftists is a fight you're never going to win in a million years.

One way or another, they're going to lose this issue. At the very least, they're not going to get what they want.

I'm just going to sit this one out and let time take care of things.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Asian-lady gang.

Okay, let me tell you a little bit about two of the women. One of them at one point told our (Hispanic) technician that she (Asian) needed to check the tech's calculations because "our people are better at math".
Seriously.
Well, THAT merited a complaint to HR!

Another one was going thru a nasty divorce with her husband, who apparently wanted a younger model, and she was just pissed at men in general.

The two of them got together and not only did they file completely meritless complaints against the two (white hetero) males that I previously mentioned, one of them... the one with the "racially superior" math skills filed a discrimination lawsuit which was dismissed the moment it got to court.

You sound just like a bro.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Huh? He was a white hetero male.

Of course he was white! That's a pattern I've noticed. You don't get sarcasm and you fell for it.

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

To Siggy: You sound just like a bro.

I guess you're a Russian Nazi Dude now, bro.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SECOND
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:04 PM

The Kavanaugh affair has produced millions of words of comment. At this point, it’s a purely partisan fight.

I think pretty much everyone — Democrat and Republican alike — does know the truth of what happened: Christine Blasey Ford has no reason to make anything up. It’s also true that it happened 35 years ago, when Brett Kavanaugh was 17 years old. In a normal universe, Kavanaugh would have acknowledged what happened, apologized sincerely, and attributed it to “sort of a wild youth.”

And that would have been the end of it.

The vast majority of the country would have figured that, in the end, nothing serious happened and we shouldn’t blacklist people for stupid teenage activity that happened long in the past.

So why didn’t it happen that way? The main reason is that in Trumpland you don’t explain past problems. You simply deny them. That’s what Roy Moore did, despite the masses of evidence against him. That’s what Trump himself does, even if there’s literally video evidence showing he’s wrong. And so that’s what Kavanaugh did. He just denied anything happened, full stop.

Did he do that because it’s his natural instinct? Or because that’s the advice he got from the Trump team? Maybe Bob Woodward will tell us someday, but until then we don’t know. All we know is that this is the path he chose.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by second:
The Kavanaugh affair has produced millions of words of comment. At this point, it’s a purely partisan fight.

Yup.

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I think pretty much everyone — Democrat and Republican alike — does know the truth of what happened: yada yada yada

The rest of this quote is a great example of why you shouldn't use broad, sweeping generalizations. Only people living in an echo chamber believe that statement to be the truth.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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CAPTAINCRUNCH
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:11 PM

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Sorry Sigs, but you're on your own here. I don't have the time, energy or the desire to devote to the mob on the other side of this #MeToo movement.

I don't see many posters talking about Me Too. #MeToo is certainly a part of this, but that's not what I'm most concerned with (because unfortunately you can't go back and charge "Brettski" with attempted rape). It's a "who do we want on the Supreme Court," movement. The fact that male contempt and disrespect for women is such a big part of it is telling and sickening. We should be so much further along as a society. Get those old f*ckers off the stage! Term limits!

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CAPTAINCRUNCH
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The rest of this quote is a great example of why you shouldn't use broad, sweeping generalizations.

The sh*t you post! You were the one I called out for saying, "she's using false accusations..." and you couldn't stand up and be accountable for.... using sweeping generalizations that you also couldn't back up. "How do you know?" Silence.

And now more sweeping generalizations, "It's a MeToo thing."

Damn dude.

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The sh*t you post! You were the one I called out for saying, "she's using false accusations..." and you couldn't stand up and be accountable for.... using sweeping generalizations that you also couldn't back up. "How do you know?" Silence.

I wasn't silent. I was very clear when I said that given the high political stakes here and the fact that the illiberal, regressive Leftitst have made crying Rape one of their go-to moves along with calling everyone a Nazi, I would have been more surprised if he wasn't accused of rape than I am that he was.

Me saying that that this is a false accusation is not broad, nor is it sweeping. It's a very targeted accusation on my part. And as far as "how do I know?"

Let me put it this way. I have just as much evidence that she threw out a false accusation as she has backing up her accusation.

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And now more sweeping generalizations, "It's a MeToo thing."

Do me a favor and Google Kavanaugh #MeToo

Here's the first five results. You'll find plenty more.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243433/brett-kavanaugh-is-the-metoo-move
ments-biggest-challenge

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/28/after-kavanaugh-ford-hearing-does
-metoo-face-backlash.html

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/09/28/brett-kavanaugh-metoo/

https://www.today.com/video/-metoo-movement-takes-center-stage-amid-ka
vanaugh-hearings-1331779651704?v=railb&;

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/3942848-metoo-movement-leaders-w
eigh-in-on-kavanaugh-ford-testimony-as-vote-for-scotus-confirmation-looms/

But yeah. I guess I'm just making that shit up. lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Get those old f*ckers off the stage! Term limits!

I'll back you up 100% on that. At least we have some middle ground.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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THG
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:37 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The rest of this quote is a great example of why you shouldn't use broad, sweeping generalizations.

The sh*t you post! You were the one I called out for saying, "she's using false accusations..." and you couldn't stand up and be accountable for.... using sweeping generalizations that you also couldn't back up. "How do you know?" Silence.

And now more sweeping generalizations, "It's a MeToo thing."

Damn dude.

Right G, dead on.

T