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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
The perv weights in G and it's the women who is lying according to Jack. No surprise there.
"Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test and asked for an FBI investigation," Cummings tweeted. "Will Judge Kavanaugh do the same?"
Oh. More personal insults. Big surprise.
And about lie detector tests...
But by all means... please allow this farce to continue. I'm entertained.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Modern polygraf tests are 99.6% accurate.
They shoud get Dan Ribakof (the guy hoo duz the tests for Steve Wilcos) on the case.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Modern polygraf tests are 99.6% accurate.
They shoud get Dan Ribakof (the guy hoo duz the tests for Steve Wilcos) on the case.
No they aren't.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92847&page=1
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"Proponents will say the test is about 90 percent accurate. Critics will say it's about 70 percent accurate," said Frank Horvath of the American Polygraph Association. "Many people refer to polygraph tests as lie detector tests, and that's a bit of a misnomer.
"There is no test that can detect lies. … The process in which the questions are asked and the sequence of the questions may affect how a person reacts," Horvath said. "Since the process is not perfect, that could lead to the possibility of error, and that's why there's problems when trying to get them in the courts."
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Crazy, angry delusional victims. This place has it's share. It would surprise me to find out our local trolls aren't complicit in harassing people online.
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Spare me.
You actively engage in harassing people online every day.
Spare me - you and others make wild @ss statements here every day - you should be confronted vigorously. T is pretty tame by Internet standards.
For instance: You said she's making wild accusations. How do you know?? Or are you just making sh*t up?
Either you know or you don't - which one?
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Quote:smartphone doesn't misspell enough to suit your tastes?
Originally posted by JO753:
Not doing a proper investigation iz going to be another collosal mistake by the GoP. McConnel haz the power to push Kavenaugh thru So he will.
Then wut do you think Ford will be forst to do?
She will file a complaint in Maryland, wich haz no time limit on this kind uv crime.
So the GoP will hav the distinction uv having a Supreme Court Justis under inditement for attemted rape. & likely more charjez will stem from the investigation.
Evry time i see Grassleys stoopid smirking fase on TV my hand goez into slap mode. Pleez sumbudy slap him so i dont haf to!
MaN, this smart fone typing iz a pain inthe ass.
The main version of her story describes Sexual Offense, 4th Degree in Maryland. Which is defined as misdemeanor, and has a Statute of Limitations of 1 year.
Now that this has been repeated for your illiterate self, can you share what your alternate reality considers "no time limit" and/or what "this Crime" is?
Or are you talking about her self-proclaiming Crime of drinking alcohol at age 15? I'm unsure if the fact that it was at a stranger's house is germane in MD.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Crazy, angry delusional victims. This place has it's share. It would surprise me to find out our local trolls aren't complicit in harassing people online.
T
Spare me.
You actively engage in harassing people online every day.
Spare me - you and others make wild @ss statements here every day - you should be confronted vigorously. T is pretty tame by Internet standards.
For instance: You said she's making wild accusations. How do you know?? Or are you just making sh*t up?
Either you know or you don't - which one?
I give everything 50/50. Always.
From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something. This reeks of a political hit job, especially since it came up right before he was going to be sworn in, and only weeks before the mid-term elections.
The likelyhood that this could ever be proven or disproven before the election is almost 0%.
The fact that you are 100% convinced that it happened I find laughable, but not at all surprising.
If I were Trump, I would put out a tweet this morning recinding Kavanaugh's offer and telling the world what his new pick is. Kavanaugh is already ruined, just by the accusation. No sense wasting another single second on him now.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I give everything 50/50. Always.
What???? You stated it emphatically, "SHE is making wild accusations and false narratives." Now you're walking it back?
"Always?" You mean maybe sometimes??? What a piece...
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something.
Do you know what the facts are surrounding this case? I bet not - just more feels from you. "Women blah blah blah..."
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The fact that you are 100% convinced that it happened I find laughable, but not at all surprising.
Goddamn, you can't help yourself. Where did I say I was "100% convinced that it happened." ??? That's you making more wild @ss statements - you never get tired of that sh*t do you?
How about you start making an effort not to make these kind of numbskull statements until you take your own advice, "From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something." - what a great idea.
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Professor Anita F. Hill testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee on the confirmation of Judge Clarence Thomas to be associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct. 11, 1991 in Washington, D.C.
Anita Hill’s truthfulness was brutally questioned. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., accused her of “flat-out perjury.” So was her sanity. I recall a fevered phone call from a White House adviser peddling the notion that Hill suffered from “erotomania,” a psychiatric disorder involving romantic delusions. So was her character. “A little bit nutty and a little bit slutty,” was the contemptuous assessment of David Brock.
Most fundamentally, the all-male panel of senators grilling the Oklahoma law professor about her sexual-harassment allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas, demonstrated repeatedly, floridly, how much they just didn’t get it.
They preened about taking such conduct oh so seriously, then failed, time after time, to demonstrate any grasp of real-world workplace power imbalances.
And here we go again, with Christine Blasey Ford and Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, and the unavoidable question: In 27 years, has nothing changed? The temptation will be to lament the persistence of cluelessness. And, yes, the evidence piles up daily, dumb remark after dumb remark, to support that depressing assessment.
In 1991, it did not seem especially abnormal that no women served on the panel grilling Hill. Today, four of 10 Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are women, and the fact that there are no women among the 11 Republican members is causing them exquisite embarrassment. Lawmakers of both parties fear the power of #MeToo. The growing gender gap has Republicans scared.
When the allegations against Kavanaugh first surfaced, the immediate, smart strategic approach encapsulated by White House adviser Kellyanne Conway: that his accuser, as yet unnamed, “should not be insulted and she should not be ignored.” Good advice, except that President Trump can only restrain himself for so long. Five days, to be precise.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/It-s-been-27-years-si
nce-Anita-Hill-Have-we-13250828.php
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something. This reeks of a political hit job, especially since it came up right before he was going to be sworn in, and only weeks before the mid-term elections.
It certainly has been slanted that way by those who feel that Kavanaugh is the best qualified. But what evidence of a "hit job" political or otherwise, can you present other than blind cronism, loyalist rhetoric.
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The likelyhood that this could ever be proven or disproven before the election is almost 0%.
The odds of that very thing happening would be greatly improved were the accusations to be investigated. It may be proven, once and for all that she
was "mistaken" or, at the very least, that there just wasn't enough evidence
to prove her case. At present, we simply don't know and it would forever
cloud his nomination and forced election.
Now I say forced election because all aspects of Kavanaugh's selection/nomination has been rush through at breakneck speed and questionable
handling of documents revealing his thinking on various highly important
issues. Throw into the mix his rather peculiar responses to direct questions that harbored on avoidance, and you have deep seeded queasiness in the pit of
your stomach that connotes you're being lied to, or, at the very least, that the subject has something to hide.
I might sound to you that I know something factual. That I am privy to information that the rest of the world, and in particular, the Judiciary Committee, does not. No, I do not have anything of the sort. What I do have is a gut feeling based upon his testimony during the JC interviews last week. I sat there glued to my TV in amazement as to how truly slithery Kavanaugh's
verbiage was as he carefully crafted non-answer answers; but, especially with
Kamala Harris, how she equally as clever played the 'cat and mouse' game in
her questioning of Kavanaugh. It was quite something as they danced back and forth, and on more than one occasion, caught him off guard and he exhibited
a nervous twitch in making his move. She was clearly sweating him, as the kids say nowadays.
I repeat, I have no hard evidence. Do you? The only factual piece of evidence that signals to me that the GOP and Kavanaugh were trying hard to hide something of significance, is the document hide and seek gambit that Chair Grassley played right before the interview was to begin. Several hundred thousand documents depicting his views during his tenure with the Bush Administration, and the email that described, in some detail, his involvement
in stolen documents from the DNC, which he claimed he knew nothing about.
A well-placed "spy" within the democratic offices intercepted the above-mentioned documents and turned them over to Kavanaugh, this was revealed by
a person within the democratic party that had knowledge of the theft. I do
not remember the women's name, but she did state, on record, that this took
place. Grassley stated that his past dealings, while chief of staff with the Bush Administration, has no bearing on his current views on the issues
surrounding case law.
He never stated that he absolutely did not have access to these documents; he merely claims that he doesn't recall. That is not a denial, just a "I can't
remember." Very convenient, and very slippery. How can anyone trust a judge
that does not give a straight answer to a direct question?
So what we are left with are statements of probability. Who do you trust? Who's story seems credible. He's a judge, already appointed to a Federal position. All we know about her is that she's a professor, a teacher with a
doctorate. He was chosen by Trump to ascend to the highest legal position
in the land. Right there, that gives me pause. Sure, I think Trump is a scumbag, but that's beside the point. Being nominated to the highest court in
the land is a huge deal, something that should not be taken li
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Quote:The rush is that Republicans have a 31% chance of losing control of the Senate, and losing their chance to place Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, after the 2018 election. I am fairly sure that the Democratic Senators, if in a majority, will force Trump to chose a "better" Justice for the Court. Better meaning that the Justice has not written that a President can't be indicted, can't be subpoenaed. Oh, "better" also means Trump cannot pardon himself and "better" means the Justice can explain how he paid for his multi-million dollar house and his gambling debts and a whole lot of other things Kavanaugh paid for with some unknown benefactor's money. Kavanaugh owes some mystery persons a debt that he could repay once he is on the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My take, my argument is that this is too important to rush through. An investigation, as in the Thomas/Anita Hill case, would take a few days to a week. As delaying tactics go (I know you'll go there) this is mild compared
to what the GOP did in Obama's final months of service. We had 8 justices for nearly a year that presided over cases. So, my question is: What's the rush?
SGG
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/se
nate/?ex_cid=midterms-header
The Many Mysteries of Brett Kavanaugh’s Finances. Who made the down payment on his house? How did he come up with $92,000 in country club fees?
www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/the-many-mysteries-of-brett-kavan
aughs-finances/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yeah Second, there's a lot of shady stuff that Kavanaugh has been associated with that Democrats have questions about. Of course, knowing the source, the
person responsible for his nomination, it doesn't surprise me that questionable goings on surround him like a heavy fog in a storm.
I would not put it past him that he's hiding his past so as to gain the high court seat. Trumpsters don't care one wit about such things and cry and moan
that Dems are playing politics. Well now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! McConnell and the scumbag prince couldn't care less about normal
regular order, but they do care about making themselves rich off the backs of
regular folk.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The rush is that Republicans have a 31% chance of losing control of the Senate, and losing their chance to place Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, after the 2018 election. I am fairly sure that the Democratic Senators, if in a majority, will force Trump to chose a "better" Justice for the Court. Better meaning that the Justice has not written that a President can't be indicted, can't be subpoenaed. Oh, "better" also means Trump cannot pardon himself and "better" means the Justice can explain how he paid for his multi-million dollar house and his gambling debts and a whole lot of other things Kavanaugh paid for with some unknown benefactor's money. Kavanaugh owes some mystery persons a debt that he could repay once he is on the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My take, my argument is that this is too important to rush through. An investigation, as in the Thomas/Anita Hill case, would take a few days to a week. As delaying tactics go (I know you'll go there) this is mild compared
to what the GOP did in Obama's final months of service. We had 8 justices for nearly a year that presided over cases. So, my question is: What's the rush?
SGG
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/se
nate/?ex_cid=midterms-header
The Many Mysteries of Brett Kavanaugh’s Finances. Who made the down payment on his house? How did he come up with $92,000 in country club fees?
www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/the-many-mysteries-of-brett-kavan
aughs-finances/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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New Yorker Publishes Account of 2nd Kavanaugh Accuser
"Brett was laughing," she said. "I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants." She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. "Somebody yelled down the hall, 'Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie's face,'" she said. "It was his full name. I don't think it was just 'Brett.' And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there."
http://www.newser.com/story/265023/new-yorker-publishes-account-of-2nd
-kavanaugh-accuser.html
Opps
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Quote:Some mysterious person has been paying off Brett's debts. The GOP committee chairman is not about to force Brett to give up the name, although that is the obvious line of questioning. Brett stonewalled the Democrats on the committee who were asking the obvious.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yeah Second, there's a lot of shady stuff that Kavanaugh has been associated with that Democrats have questions about. Of course, knowing the source, the
person responsible for his nomination, it doesn't surprise me that questionable goings on surround him like a heavy fog in a storm.
I would not put it past him that he's hiding his past so as to gain the high court seat. Trumpsters don't care one wit about such things and cry and moan
that Dems are playing politics. Well now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! McConnell and the scumbag prince couldn't care less about normal regular order, but they do care about making themselves rich off the backs of
regular folk.
SGG
Republican politicians and voters get very secretive about money, as if they did something underhanded to get their money. (I've used private eyes to check a few Republicans and, don't be surprised, they did do some cheating to make their money. I called off several deals over their trustworthiness. Never had a similar problem with a Democrat.) Unsurprisingly, Republican voters did not want to see Trump's tax returns. Democrats did. Brett is the same sneaky kind of fellow as Trump. Both aren't sharing ALL information about who pays them for what.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Another female accuser just stepped forward. So why won’t Republicans call in the FBI?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/24/another-f
emale-accuser-just-stepped-forward-so-why-wont-republicans-call-in-the-fbi/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.b041cc313018
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lol
You people are ridiculous.
I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
You people are ridiculous.
I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.
Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer. Do you ever get tired of looking like a moron Jack?
It's also looking as though the republicans knew of this shit for a while now and tried to run this nomination through before it could be stopped. Women must be besides themselves over this.
I feel as though this nomination is over.
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Brett Kavanaugh and pals accused of gang rapes in high school, says lawyer Michael Avenatti
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/us-politics/ny-news-brett-kav
anaugh-gang-rape-avenatti-20180923-story.html
Given his sordid history, there is every reason to believe this.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
You people are ridiculous.
I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.
Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer.
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Of course there is. Nobody was surprised that there was a second one either.
Might I add that there is zero corroboration with the first two women's stories either.
There's only one thing that matters at this point, and that's if Republican's have the balls to just push him through. They have a clear mandate and the ability to do it right now, but they're cowards.
Well... either they're cowards, or they they think that they can flake on this and they're hedging their bets for the mid-terms so they can sit back and blame the Democrats for nothing getting done the next two years if they lose the house as well... just like the Democrats do when they lose in the mid-terms.
They're all in cahoots with each other. Nothing but a bunch of political theater to keep the normies fighting while they all get richer and the middle class disappears.
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I think G is going to have a bone to pick with you Jack don't you? And your above post only proves you to be incapable of anything but conspiracy type thinking. Dummy...
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So many posts ... about what?
Should the accuser(s) testify? Should Kavanaugh testify? Should witness(es) testify? I'd say only if it doesn't interfere with a criminal investigation. But if no criminal investigation is possible (due to the statute of limitations) then everyone should testify. And the FBI should investigate to determine the facts (assuming the now highly political 'FIB' can be trusted to perform an unbiased procedure).
What's the problem?
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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"Normies?"
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Originally posted by THG:
I think G is going to have a bone to pick with you Jack don't you?
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Soyboy can kiss my ass.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Normies?"
I predict it's over reaverfan. If this nomination goes through and it won't, the republicans get wiped out in the house and senate.
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"Normies?"
The people who aren't being paid through taxpayer dollars to rip this country apart.
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Quote:Nazis use that word to describe actual normal people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Normies?"
The people who aren't being paid through taxpayer dollars to rip this country apart.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report
The floodgates are opening.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
ser-maryland
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report
The floodgates are opening.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
ser-maryland]
The only thing left is to guess how long it takes for his name to be withdrawn. I say it happens before the day is done because the republicans are hemorrhaging votes in the mid-terms as long as this continues.
This whole fiasco could cost them the senate. Women aren't going to trust the republicans to pick who fills the open Supreme Court seat. I hope it's to late to get a new nominee vetted until the elections.
Yea...
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One of the things I notice ... more than most people, I think ... is the timing of events and stories.
The fact that these allegations only came up at the end of the formal hearing and are being strung out like a striptease makes me think that they're all being orchestrated by the Democratic Party.
As it turns out, everyone at the party that Ford claims to have attended (she can't even remember the place or the year) denies that it ever took place.
As far as the Ramirez story is concerned, everyone who was supposedly there denies it, too. Per the WSJ's Kimberly Strassel ...
Quote:https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1044059108549156864
The left made a mistake with this Ramirez story. It isn't just how embarrassingly flimsy it is; she was inebriated; took six days to find memories; everyone denies it. But it strongly suggests the Ford delay demands were about cooking this up. Destroys credibility all around.
... and Peter Baker from the NYT
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The Times interviewed dozens to corroborate 2nd allegation against Kavanaugh and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ramirez told ex-classmates she couldn't be certain Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1044193688392486912
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Conservative Radio Host Tells Women to Shut Up and Take It
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/09/24/conservative-radio-host-tells
-women-to-shut-up-and-take-it/
Prager is one of the biggest idiots in the reichwing propaganda machine.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One of the things I notice ... more than most people, I think ... is the timing of events and stories.
The fact that these allegations only came up at the end of the formal hearing and are being strung out like a striptease makes me think that they're all being orchestrated by the Democratic Party.
As it turns out, everyone at the party that Ford claims to have attended (she can't even remember the place or the year) denies that it ever took place.
As far as the Ramirez story is concerned, everyone who was supposedly there denies it, too. Per the WSJ's Kimberly Strassel ...
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The left made a mistake with this Ramirez story. It isn't just how embarrassingly flimsy it is; she was inebriated; took six days to find memories; everyone denies it. But it strongly suggests the Ford delay demands were about cooking this up. Destroys credibility all around. https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1044059108549156864
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... and Peter Baker from the NYT
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The Times interviewed dozens to corroborate 2nd allegation against Kavanaugh and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ramirez told ex-classmates she couldn't be certain Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1044193688392486912
Quote:I agree the timing is suspicious. But that's no reason to avoid a formal FBI investigation (assuming the FBI can be trusted to be apolitical). If an investigation concluded there was no corroborating evidence for ANY of these claims, it would help expose this effort as a democrat-orchestrated political lynching. If OTOH, the investigation found corroborating evidence, then Kavanaugh would be exposed as unfit. Either way, the truth would out, or at least more of it than there is now.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Sig and kiki show they are as dumb as Jack. They're still trying to make the case this is anything other than what it is. That Kavanaugh is a creep and serial sex offender. Trolls will be trolls.
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Quote:You forgot 'Russian'.
Originally posted by THG:
Sig and kiki show they are as dumb as Jack. They're still trying to make the case this is anything other than what it is. That Kavanaugh is a creep and serial sex offender. Trolls will be trolls.
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THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Quote:Because god forbid this be formally, officially investigated, to determine the facts based on evidence.
Originally posted by THG:
Sig and kiki show they are as dumb as Jack. They're still trying to make the case this is anything other than what it is. That Kavanaugh is a creep and serial sex offender. Trolls will be trolls.
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THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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“THE STRATEGY WAS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG”: TRUMP WANTED TO NUKE ROSENSTEIN TO SAVE KAVANAUGH’S BACON
But Trump allies are privately imploring him to cut Kavanaugh loose to save Republicans’ electoral chances in the midterms.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-wanted-to-nuke-rosenstei
n-to-save-kavanaughs-bacon?mbid=social_twitter
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Does anyone else think this if funny? I think this is funny.
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Sig and kiki show they are as dumb as Jack. They're still trying to make the case this is anything other than what it is. That Kavanaugh is a creep and serial sex offender. Trolls will be trolls.
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Because god forbid this be formally, officially investigated, to determine the facts based on evidence.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Quote:Because god forbid this be formally, officially investigated, to determine the facts based on evidence.
Originally posted by THG:
Does anyone else think this if funny? I think this is funny.
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That's something I've noticed about you and your fellow nut-jobs - you all seem to run from evidence like vampires run from sunlight.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Quote:The problem is that THESE could be investigated, and just when the investigations are nearing conclusion, the Dems could trot out ANOTHER allegation. By constantly delaying the confirmation vote, the Republican party is potentially rewarding the Dems for bad behavior.
I agree the timing is suspicious. But that's no reason to avoid a formal FBI investigation (assuming the FBI can be trusted to be apolitical). If an investigation concluded there was no corroborating evidence for ANY of these claims, it would help expose this effort as a democrat-orchestrated political lynching. If OTOH, the investigation found corroborating evidence, then Kavanaugh would be exposed as unfit. Either way, the truth would out, or at least more of it than there is now. - KIKI
There has to be a time limit on these things. If I were heading these hearings I would say "If there are any more allegations against Kavanaugh they need to be in by Thursday, after that they won't even be considered. Period."
Quote:Bwahahahaha!!
That's something I've noticed about you and your fellow nut-jobs - you all seem to run from evidence like vampires run from sunlight.- KIKI
Coffee+keyboard=notgood
OK, KIKI, you owe me a keyboard!
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Isn't that precious. Kiki thinks this should all be investigated without acknowledging the republicans refuse to do that. Trump refuses to do that.
No kiki, no sig, because those who hold the keys to getting an investigation going refuse to do so we are left with, it is what it is. And this nomination is over. All that's left is the announcement. No way Kavanaugh wants all these women to speak in front of America. Right now he isn't looking his wife and daughters in the face.
Yep, I'm sick of all the stupid and harmful shit Trump is doing so again, I find this funny.
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Sig your post concerning this topic is incredibly juvenile, hateful and childness in nature. Bravo troll...
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My first post in this thread was dead on.
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The fact that an investigation is (for now) off the table doesn't negate my opinion that I think one is necessary - despite your trolling, va-JJ.
This sums up nicely what I think.
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The Decision Not to Call in the FBI Is Looking Worse and Worse
When Christine Blasey Ford publicly alleged that the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school, the White House immediately rejected calls for an FBI investigation. It refused to treat Ford’s claim as a “vetting” issue and instead committed to a fully political defense of the nomination.
This was a fateful mistake, which the Republican leadership seems poised to repeat now that more allegations against Kavanaugh have surfaced. Senator Chuck Grassley, the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has indicated that he will examine the new questions in the same fashion as the old, with an offer of closed-door interviews or a public hearing.
The Republican rush to confirm Kavanaugh backfired.
How can the White House counsel’s office prepare Kavanaugh for a defense without an independent examination of the facts? The White House has not reviewed in detail what Ford has to say, instead relying on the letter Ford wrote to Senator Dianne Feinstein and the short statements from the other witnesses she has identified. In the case of the new accuser, Deborah Ramirez, all anyone has for now is reporting in The New Yorker and other publications.
If and when a Senate hearing actually takes place, it will be far less informative than it might have been. Granted, it will provide an opportunity for Kavanaugh, Ford, and perhaps other accusers to present their position publicly and allow senators to weigh their conflicting accounts. But a Senate hearing is not a forum for rigorous fact-finding. Lawmakers are not uniformly suited to the role of professional interrogators and, in the absence of an independent, baseline investigative record, they will stage what may turn out to be mostly a spectacle for television.
It’s not terribly surprising that, in the absence of a thorough investigation, Kavanaugh’s allies have tried to fill the void, but these efforts have so far been calamitously counterproductive. I refer, of course, to Ed Whelan’s “mistaken identity” argument, which he outlined on Twitter. Whelan has since deleted the tweets, apologized, and taken a leave of absence from the Ethics and Public Policy Center, but the story won’t end there. At their first opportunity, Democratic senators will ask Kavanaugh what he knew of this badly misconceived and executed undercover operation.
The magical-thinking defenses of Brett Kavanaugh
Yet another consequence of the White House’s abandonment of the background investigative process is the possibility that even if Kavanaugh is confirmed, others will pursue what the FBI has not. There’s already been some discussion among Democrats of an impeachment proceeding if they regain control of the House. Others have suggested a referral in the Ford matter to Maryland criminal-enforcement authorities. The cost to the Supreme Court in either case is incalculable.
An FBI investigation would not necessarily deter outraged Democrats or accusers from going in these directions, but the White House’s absolute refusal to authorize independent fact-finding has only fueled the demands for a credible resolution somewhere, now or later.
The White House, Grassley, and other top Republicans may believe that by spurning standard background investigative procedures they’re avoiding a delay. Their top priority has been speed. But the consequences of not ordering an FBI investigation are worse than a postponement, and the accumulating mass of charges and denials may produce more delay than an expedited FBI review. Over the period that the White House and Judiciary Committee majority have been jousting over the terms and conditions of the public hearing, the FBI could have already done much of what needs to be done — such as conducting some if not all of the interviews of the individuals identified as potentiaNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Nazis use that word to describe actual normal people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
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"Normies?"
The people who aren't being paid through taxpayer dollars to rip this country apart.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yup. That's what I did here. I just called both you and I a Nazi.
Idiot.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Mitch McConnell is on the senate floor as I post this trying to salvage Kavanaugh's nomination. And lets not let the evangelical community forget this is their guy. While their moral and ethical credibility was lost with Trump, this is the final nail in the coffin. They need to reread the bible and as they do have someone explain to them what they're reading, because clearly they don't understand what the bible says.
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Senate Republicans don’t want Brett Kavanaugh’s high school friend to testify, but why not?
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My first post in this thread was dead on. - THUGR
So was mine ...
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I find the tactics that the Dems are using to delay and obstruct the process quite inventive, considering that they don't have the vote. Aside from the constant shouting from the gallery, the Dems have managed to ...
Demand endless reams of paperwork from Kavanaugh's history in the Bush WH,
Delay allegations of sexual misconduct until VERY late in the process,
Then demand a public hearing,
And then change their stance and demand a "full FBI investigation" as soon as a public hearing was acceded to.
Now, I have no idea whether the allegations are true or false. (But if we were to follow THUGR's stance of letting Clinton's bygones be bygones, I suppose we could let this 30-year old allegation also be lost in the mists of history. Right?)
But I'd be willing to bet SOME dollars that if you were to look into this professor's activities, you'd find her working with Democratic Senators in the past six months or so, working out the timing and tactics for maximum effect. BRAVO!
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As far as an FBI investigation ...
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FACT CHECK: Can The Senate Enlist The FBI To Reopen A Kavanaugh Investigation?
ANSWER: The short answer - No.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649853869/fact-check-can-the-senate-enl
ist-the-fbi-to-reopen-a-kavanaugh-investigation
PLEASE NOTE, THUGR AND SHIT***, THIS IS NPR. Which continues ...
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The long answer: Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said on Wednesday that she thinks the committee must look into the allegations by Christine Blasey Ford, who says Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her three decades ago.
Kavanaugh Accuser's Classmate: 'That It Happened Or Not, I Have No Idea'
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Kavanaugh Accuser's Classmate: 'That It Happened Or Not, I Have No Idea'
Specifically, Collins told a Maine radio station that she believes in the Senate's responsibility to vet nominees for high office. If it needs more support, it should have it, she said.
"If we need additional help from the FBI, we could ask for it — the committee could ask for [it]," she said.
Collins is an important player because she and a handful of other borderline senators could make the difference in the final vote on Kavanaugh in the Senate. But she doesn't belong to the Judiciary Committee.
Even if she did, it doesn't have the authority to give an assignment to an executive branch agency such as the FBI.
How might that have to work?
Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, could ask President Trump to instruct the FBI to become involved. The bureau reports to him in the organizational structure of the government, and for these purposes acts as a kind of "contractor" for the White House, as former FBI assistant director Ron Hosko told NPR.
"If the White House were to ask the FBI to reopen its file and go conduct the investigation, the FBI could do that," he said. "I think they could do it swiftly, effectively and report back within days."
Politics
Listen To The Interview With Ex-FBI Assistant Director Hosko
That is what happened in 1991 when an attorney named Anita Hill brought allegations about sexual harassment against her former colleague Clarence Thomas, who was under consideration for a seat on the Supreme Court.
Then-Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., asked then-President George H.W. Bush to involve the FBI in looking into Hill's accusations.
Bush — a Republican who had nominated Thomas and wanted to confirm him — agreed. The FBI went to work questioning Hill and others, and ultimately the Judiciary Committee convened hearings at which she and Thomas appeared.
Kavanaugh Allegations Recall 1991's Supreme Court Scandal, With Key Differences
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Kavanaugh Allegations Recall 1991's Supreme Court Scandal, With Key Differences
What has the FBI done so far?
The FBI conducted a background check on Kavanaugh as part of the White House's review process of vetting him for the Supreme Court. Over the course of his career in the federal government, he's undergone a total of six background checks.
Trump Says He Wants To Hear From Kavanaugh's Accuser
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Trump Says He Wants To Hear From Kavanaugh's Accuser
In July, Ford sent a letter to the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., in which she raised her allegations against Kavanaugh. Feinstein referred Ford's letter to the FBI on Sept. 12. The bureau then sent it to the White House to be added to Kavanaugh's background check file.
White House counsel Don McGahn sent that updated file to the Judiciary committee the same day.
Why did Feinstein wait so long? Why didn't any of this come up at Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing?
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Third Brett Kavanaugh Accuser to Go Public in Next 48 Hours, Lawyer Says
Natasha Korecki will go public with more details of sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in an on-camera interview within the next 48 hours.
https://www.thewrap.com/third-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-to-go-public-in-
next-48-hours-lawyer-michael-avenatti/
And while your post Sig may be from NPR a week ago, you're posting it now to save face. Hey, remember half a million angry women marching on Washington when Trump won? What do you thinks going to happen in November after this fiasco comrade?
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lol... yeah. What a joke that was.
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Soyboy can kiss my ass.
You meant "kick."
And you're still such a weakling you can't own up to making ridiculous statements. I have no idea who is telling the truth. I want the FBI to investigate. Appointing a Supreme Court Judge isn't a race. There's no hurry. For someone who is going to be making decisions for 20+ years let's make sure the person chosen is capable of good JUDGEMENT.
And what's with SoyBoy? I don't even get the insult.
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Third Brett Kavanaugh Accuser to Go Public in Next 48 Hours, Lawyer Says
Natasha Korecki will go public with more details of sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in an on-camera interview within the next 48 hours.
https://www.thewrap.com/third-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-to-go-public-in-
next-48-hours-lawyer-michael-avenatti/
Yeah huh, just look at that timing.
Like they couldn't have come forward a month ago?
If they had, then their allegations could have had all of the time and attention that they deserve.
But that's not really the point, is it?
I'm getting the feeling that guilt or innocence isn't the point at all.
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Sig's posts are redundant and therefore unnecessary. She posts nothing new despite all the recent revelations some of us have been sharing. Responding further to her repetitive synopsis is silly.
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The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez
"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative. 
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The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez
"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.
Show the emails then.
Posting a story by Vox regarding a "she said" account by a "journalist" for one of the two most preferred Liberal outfits* out there after the fact isn't going to cut it as evidence.
* As stated by Pew Research: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-th
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Soyboy can kiss my ass.
You meant "kick."
Make my day brother.
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Likely that Trump picked Kav for hiz distraction potential. So wuts really going on?
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I'm kind of shocked and amazed that you haven't blamed this on the Deep State yet...or Bill and Hillary, or Obama, or Antifa!
I vote for the Deep State, after all...wait lost my point...who cares you guys
don't need a point to place the blame on them.
Great timing! At least that's what Trump attributes it to. Just think the
Deep State instructed those ladies to bring all of their pain, humiliation
and suffering to the fore just to score political points with their base.
Of course, no one else does that.
But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. Why would these women submit
themselves to that type of scrutiny? Death threats and the like.
I'm sure you'll find a reason Siggy.
SGG
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Likely that Trump picked Kav for hiz distraction potential. So wuts really going on?
Tax breaks for the Rich, round 2. The PoS is literally robbing from the treasury.
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Quote:Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened. NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party, one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all, and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question.
But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. Why would these women submit themselves to that type of scrutiny? Death threats and the like.- SGG
One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker. According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ...
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In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it.
These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.
https://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-h
igh-school_19.html
The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story.
As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.
It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible.
At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.
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I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:
Originally posted by SIGNYM in quotes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened." > Cites please
"The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened." > Cites please
"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party" > Cites please
"one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" - wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? Cites.
"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - there you have it! And we should trust that?
Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.
SIGGY: "One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker."
Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me. 
SIGGY: "According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."
- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.
SIGGY - These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.
- yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.
Siggy: "The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story."
- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.
Siggy - "As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.
Yup - hello FBI investigation
Siggy - "It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. "
Everyone? People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you.
But I want to hear it all, both sides.
Siggy - "At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations,
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AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.
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I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING
Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post
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"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party"- SIGNY
Cites please - GSTRING
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.
Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html
Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
Do I really need to provide you with a link to Kavanaugh's denial?
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one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" SIGNY
wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? - Cites. - GSTRING
Ford [female] friend [Leyland Keyser] says she doesn't recall party where alleged assault occurred
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/407950-senate-ford-friend-says
-she-doesnt-recall-party-where-alleged-assault
Quote:Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well.
"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - SIGNY
There you have it! And we should trust that? - GSTRING
Quote:Never knew you to be so deeply in denial. Oh wait ... yes I have. You do it all the time.
Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.
Quote:Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.
"One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker." - SIGNY
Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me.
Quote:No. I'm trying to say the same thing about HER memory that they say about Judge's ... if you drink to near-stupor, you may not remember things clearly.
"According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."
- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.= GSTRING
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I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:
Originally posted by SIGNYM in quotes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened." > Cites please
"The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened." > Cites please
"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party" > Cites please
"one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" - wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? Cites.
"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - there you have it! And we should trust that?
Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.
SIGGY: "One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker."
Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me.
SIGGY: "According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."
- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.
SIGGY - These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.
- yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.
Siggy: "The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story."
- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.
Siggy - "As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.
Yup - hello FBI investigation
Siggy - "It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. "
Everyone? People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you.
But I want to hear it all, both sides.
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What I'm reading is that both Ford and Ramirez admit to not remembering a whole lot about the incidents in question. Ford, in particular, has a lot of haziness to her memory. Even the description of the house where she was assaulted (a bathroom and bedroom across from each other at the top of the stairs) doesn't match up with any of the houses she potentially could have been in.
What it boils down to is two women saying ... I'm pretty sure that's what happened; I think Kavanaugh was there. There is no eyewitness corroboration to their stories, despite all of the participants having weighed in (n Ford's case) and DOZENS of people having been interviewed (in Ramirez' case). In the meantime, there are dozens of people who knew Kavanuagh from that time period who have provided references to his character, and he did pass an FBI background check (which BTW are very, very thorough. I was interviewed a couple of times about people in my former employ, and I worked with someone who applied to the FBI and made it onto the list of eligible candidates. These people are not dummies, they pick up - uncomfortably- on any thread that seems to be sticking out from your narrative.)
So, how would YOU resolve this issue? What questions do you think need to be asked? What lines of inquiry should be followed? What should happen if these incidents can't be demonstrated tbeyond a reasonable doubt?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.
I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING
Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post
^Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.
Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html
Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well.
Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.
Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position.
Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html
Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:
"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student to
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Excuse me, a third woman is expected to make accusations of sexual misconduct before Thursdays testimony. I think if the republicans refuse to implore the president to investigate then the women must be believed.
Anyone else care the republicans are already saying it doesn't matter what the women say. That they plan on voting yes regarding Kavanaughs nomination.
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Mark Judge denied...
Iznt he the guy hoo rote a book about partying?
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Anyone else care the republicans are already saying it doesn't matter what the women say. That they plan on voting yes regarding Kavanaughs nomination.
Nope.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.
Touche!
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He's guilty as sin. Our pussy-grabbing rapist president doesn't care.
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Quote:This has been all so widely reported across so many media outlets that asking me to provide cites is like asking me to show you that the sun rises in the east. If you had a reason for asking for all of these cites, ASIDE FROM wasting my time, I'd sure like to know what it was.
AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY
I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRING
Quote:But if SO MANY OTHER details are wrong, how can we be sure that THAT point is correct? Memory is a slippery thing. As SECOND noted PEOPLE ARE EASILY HACKED, and memory is incredibly hackable, especially notable when eyewitnesses are questioned multiple times.
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING
Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post
Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING
Quote:
False Memories
https://www.psychologistworld.com/memory/false-memories-questioning-ey
ewitness-testimony
Quote:It may have to be, because Kavanaugh doesn't have to prove his innocence; Bond has to demonstrate his guilt.
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.
Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html
Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING
But OOC, since those are the only eyewitnesses available, what would be "enough" for you? Anything?
Quote:GSTRING, get a clue. It's one thing to stay silent on an event, it would be another entirely to write a whole fiction about how he was out of state, who he was with, what he did etc. just to cover up one event. And don't forget that whatever he wrote in his notes can also be cross-checked against other evidence.
Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY
Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING
So what happens to your conviction that Kavanaugh is guilty if his "alibi" turns out to be true?
Quote:
Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY
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T, G and Reaverfan have been 100% convinced of Kavanaugh's guilt from the very beginning.
I'd say that T is convinced strictly because of politics, G is convinced because he's the great white knight that believes anything that any woman says, and Reaverfan is, well... Reaverfan.
At least Reaverfan comes out and calls it like he sees it. There's no false pretense of objectivity coming from him.
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There are plausible stories in both directions, altho the first allegation is looking less and less likely because too many details are wrong, plus Kavanaugh has an "alibi".
It's possible that one or both events occurred, and all possible eyewitnesses are running from the event like it was a toxic spill. It's also possible that one or both events are false memories. I'm not sure how I could possibly sort it out based on the information available, so "innocent until proven guilty".
I AM sure, however, that Feinstein is manipulating the process, and IMHO nobody should get to hold an "open ended" investigation. There needs to be a time limit.
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Quote:We are being overrun by Nostradoofus.
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted:
Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report
The floodgates are opening.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
ser-maryland
The only thing left is to guess how long it takes for his name to be withdrawn. I say it happens before the day is done because the republicans are hemorrhaging votes in the mid-terms as long as this continues.
This whole fiasco could cost them the senate. Women aren't going to trust the republicans to pick who fills the open Supreme Court seat. I hope it's to late to get a new nominee vetted until the elections.
Yea...
Has Lena Done'em gathered her wymmin to lodge these complaints?
Did she and Emily Lindin manage to locate Maryland?
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I noticed GSTRING ran from this thread like it was a toxic spill. 
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:This has been all so widely reported across so many media outlets that asking me to provide cites is like asking me to show you that the sun rises in the east. If you had a reason for asking for all of these cites, ASIDE FROM wasting my time, I'd sure like to know what it was.
AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY
I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRINGQuote:But if SO MANY OTHER details are wrong, how can we be sure that THAT point is correct? Memory is a slippery thing. As SECOND noted PEOPLE ARE EASILY HACKED, and memory is incredibly hackable, especially notable when eyewitnesses are questioned multiple times.
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING
Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post
Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING
Quote:
False Memories
https://www.psychologistworld.com/memory/false-memories-questioning-ey
ewitness-testimonyQuote:It may have to be, because Kavanaugh doesn't have to prove his innocence; Bond has to demonstrate his guilt.
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.
Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
.html
Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html
Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING
But OOC, since those are the only eyewitnesses available, what would be "enough" for you? Anything?Quote:GSTRING, get a clue. It's one thing to stay silent on an event, it would be another entirely to write a whole fiction about how he was out of state, who he was with, what he did etc. just to cover up one event. And don't forget that whatever he wrote in his notes can also be cross-checked against other evidence.
Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY
Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING
So what happens to your conviction that Kavanaugh is guilty if his "alibi" turns out to be true?Quote:
Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY
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Yes, I came across that bit of news on MSNBC.
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The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
0/new-yorker-jane-mayer-yale-university-emails-brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez
"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.
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There are more than 4 sources that shows Dr. Ford spoke of this long before Kavanaugh's nomination. This is not going to be good for him Thursday regardless of the outcome.
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Quote:People were "discussing the incident"?
"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
So what?
It's possible that people were saying ... "I heard a story but it's not true because Kavanaugh was out with me that night"
It's possible that people were saying ... "I was there and it's absolutely true"
You have no idea WHAT they were emailing each other, but on the basis that people were "discussing" something you take that a proof of guilt?
Here's an example of how that might work on you: We were discussing YOU the other night. A LOT of us were. Yanno, since SO MANY people were talking about you, you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should be locked up in a psych ward?
See how that works?
Not fair, is it?
a) We have no idea WHAT they were "discussing" and
b) Even if we did, it's "hearsay" ... gossip. Perhaps something to be followed up on, but not admissible in court.
What you and the rest of the douchebags here are displaying is called "RUSH TO JUDGMENT". Look it up.
So hang back and keep an open mind. Maybe something will turn up besides allegation. Remember: an "allegation" is an "accusation without proof". So far, all WE have are accusations; nobody else has corroborated those accusations even tho they've been asked. And EVEN IF Kavanaugh is guilty and somehow makes it on to the bench and evidence turns up later, he can always be impeached. So dial down the hysteria and let the process work. It takes time, it's slow and sometimes imperfect, but it's better than lynching someone on the basis of gossip.
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Confirmation first, then impeach later, Signym? I think you have the cart before the horse.
Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance. And the idea of forgiveness in this particular case cannot be divorced from its political context.
We’re generally a very unforgiving society, and the people who are most in favor of this being ignored, coincidentally, are politically the people who would be harshest on the 17-year-old black kid caught with drugs — some crime that didn’t hurt anybody. If this signaled a change in our society’s philosophy toward people who did bad things when they were 17, I’d say that’s great. But I don’t think it is. I think this is situational.
There is a way to determine that truth in this situation.
“I think the only instrument we have that is of any use to deciding whether something happened or not, flawed as it is, is a jury trial,” said Mark Bennett, a Houston criminal attorney. “That’s why we have jury trials: Because accusations can ruin people’s future lives, and maybe should if they’re true, but the only way we have as a society to figure that out is a jury trial.”
And while most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.
Any criminal investigation would likely not affect the timeline of Kavanaugh’s confirmation.
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Kavanaugh-
confirmation-trigger-major-13251392.php
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So hang back and keep an open mind. Maybe something will turn up besides allegation. Remember: an "allegation" is an "accusation without proof". So far, all WE have are accusations; nobody else has corroborated those accusations even tho they've been asked. And EVEN IF Kavanaugh is guilty and somehow makes it on to the bench and evidence turns up later, he can always be impeached. So dial down the hysteria and let the process work. It takes time, it's slow and sometimes imperfect, but it's better than lynching someone on the basis of gossip.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Well, as a professional paid Russian troll, Siggy is obligated to say stupid shit. That's what they do.
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Quote:In the case of Kavanaugh, we're not talking about "second chances" we're talking about a FIRST chance: The chance not to be railroaded.
Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.
That is the chance that everyone should get.
The fact that you think of this as a "second" chance is peculiar, SECOND, and indicates that you've already reached a conclusion.
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Quote:No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges. In the meantime, Trump could find somebody else, somebody not Kavanaugh. There are many choices that are not controversial and far more qualified for a lifetime job then Kavanaugh, except they never wrote that a President cannot be indicted, cannot be subpoenaed, which are two of Kavanaugh's most outstanding qualities, along with the mystery of who paid for his multi-million dollar house.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:In the case of Kavanaugh, we're not talking about "second chances" we're talking about FIRST chances: The chance not to be railroaded.
Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.
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Quote:Yes, I got that. But why did you frame this as a "second" chance? This quote seems not to have anything to do with that, unless you're referring to Ford having a "second" chance at a criminal investigation.
No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.
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If what he says is true the shit is about the hit the fan. And according to past statements this will come out before the Thursday hearing. Since this is Wednesday could that be today?
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Quote:Trump had dozens of choices on a list given to him and he picked Kavanaugh for the obvious reason that Presidents cannot be indicted or subpoenaed. Kavanaugh does not own that job, quite yet, so there is no obligations that he be confirmed. Trump can go back to the list for somebody higher on the list, but who does not have a mystery benefactor who paid for his multi-million dollar house.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yes, I got that. But why did you frame this as a "second" chance? This quote seems not to have anything to do with that, unless you're referring to Ford having a "second" chance at a criminal investigation.
No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:People were "discussing the incident"?
"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."
So what?
It's possible that people were saying ... "I heard a story but it's not true because Kavanaugh was out with me that night"
It's possible that people were saying ... "I was there and it's absolutely true"
You have no idea WHAT they were emailing each other, but on the basis that people were "discussing" something you take that a proof of guilt?
Once again Siggy making sh*t up. Who here said anything about guilt besides RF? You and and Jack, that's who.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's an example of how that might work on you: We were discussing YOU the other night. A LOT of us were. Yanno, since SO MANY people were talking about you, you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should be locked up in a psych ward?
See how that works?
Not fair, is it?
a) We have no idea WHAT they were "discussing" and
b) Even if we did, it's "hearsay" ... gossip. Perhaps something to be followed up on, but not admissible in court.
That's the lamest attempted parallel made by a forum member this year. Of course they were talking about the sexual assault thing. "Did you see the dress she was wearing? I know! Scandalous!"
Use 1/5th of your brain - basic deduction is free.
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What you and the rest of the douchebags here are displaying is called "RUSH TO JUDGMENT". Look it up.
I did look it up - there was a picture of you standing next to 11 old whites dudes trying to jam the Kavanaugh confirmation through. All of you looked tired and scared.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
You people are ridiculous.
I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.
Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer. Do you ever get tired of looking like a moron Jack?
It's also looking as though the republicans knew of this shit for a while now and tried to run this nomination through before it could be stopped. Women must be besides themselves over this.
I feel as though this nomination is over.
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All the Senate Republicans act like Kavanaugh is the boss's nephew. As if they will lose favor with the boss if they don't hire the nephew. But it is a job interview, not a trial. The Senate Republicans have more than enough to reject Kavanaugh, but only if big boss Trump will stop pretending this is about his unemployed blood relative getting his first job.
It will look pretty bad when the Kavanaugh confirmation is 51 to 49, especially when Trump's previous choice was only confirmed by a vote of 54–45. All Senate Republicans present, along with Democratic Senators in states that voted heavily for Trump, Manchin (D-WV), Heitkamp (D-ND), and Donnelly (D-IN), voted to confirm Gorsuch. Johnny Isakson (R-GA) was absent for the vote because he was recovering from back surgery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch_Supreme_Court_nomination#Co
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It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.
It's over...
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Quote:If there wasn't an election in November, the Senate Republicans would not care about a third victim. There could be thirty victims and those Senators would immediately confirm Kavanaugh. But confirming Mr K before the election could reduce the number of votes for Republican candidates. The Senators are considering that versus displeasing their party's leader, Donald J Trump. He wants Kavanaugh because, as a justice, Mr K could be a reliable vote against subpoenaing and indicting a President.
Originally posted by THG:
It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.
It's over...
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:If there wasn't an election in November, the Senate Republicans would not care about a third victim. There could be thirty victims and those Senators would immediately confirm Kavanaugh. But voting before the election could reduce the number of votes for Republicans. The Senators are considering that versus displeasing their party's leader, Donald J Trump.
Originally posted by THG:
It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.
It's over...
I've heard it said that further moving the Supreme Court to the right is more important than losing a few election cycles. It would explain a move by the Republicans to confirm him despite the allegations. Their problem is that all republicans have to sign up for that. Including those who would surely lose their jobs over that.
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Trump is digging in. Great news for democrats.
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New accuser says Kavanaugh targeted girls for sexual assault
https://www.axios.com/third-woman-sexual-assault-allegations-kavanauag
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"\11. During the years 1981-82, I became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "spike" the "punch" at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say "No." This caused me to make an effort to purposely avoid the "punch" at these parties. I witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "target" particular girls so they could be taken advantage of; it was usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy.
\12. I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be "gang raped" in a side room or bedroom by a "train" of numerous boys. I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their "turn" with a girl inside the room. These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh.
\13. In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these "gang" or "train" rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present. Shortly after the incident, I shared what had transpired with at least two other people. During the incident, I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me. I believe I was drugged using Quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.
\14. I am aware of other witnesses that can attest to the truthfulness of each of the statements above.
I declare, under penalty of perjury and under the laws of the United States of America, that the foregoing is true and correct. I have executed this declaration on September 25, 2018."
This is what Republicans love and stand for.
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So despite knowing what was going on, Swetnick continued to attend these "house parties", and her only response to the problem was to "avoid the punch".
Well, since she seems to have a firm recollection of events, and attended (presumably) numerous "house parties" she should be familiar with the cast of characters and able to provide testimony that is specific enough to be corroborated ... names, dates, places.
Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.
I'll be interested to see what happens.
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Quote:I'd be interested in seeing who, besides Kavanaugh, was on Trump's list of Supreme Court justices. There is nothing stopping Trump from withdrawing Kavanaugh and submitting another. Trump does not owe Kavanaugh a job, since he can return to his previous judgeship. That position is his, not the Supreme Court position.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.
I'll be interested to see what happens.
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:I'd be interested in seeing who, besides Kavanaugh, was on Trump's list of Supreme Court justices. There is nothing stopping Trump from withdrawing Kavanaugh and submitting another. Trump does not owe Kavanaugh a job, since he can return to his previous judgeship. That position is his, not the Supreme Court position.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.
I'll be interested to see what happens.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.
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Kavanaugh's girlfriend's recollections:
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Quote:The Senate Majority leader is feeling out just how stupid voters and GOP Senators are. With enough stupidity, Mitch could have had a reverse lynching, where he quickly and unjustly raises Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and to hell with the consequences. He had planned for a vote last Monday, but events moved fast and he moved too slow. That's what happens when you have a one vote majority, but two of your Senators have minds of their own. Remember the Obamacare repeal vote was killed by John McCain, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. Collins and Murkowski might do it again to Kavanaugh and Mitch McConnell.
Originally posted by THG:
The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.
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Trump's press conference was the most bizarre Gish gallop I've ever seen.
It's frightening that such an idiot could ever be president.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trump's press conference was the most bizarre Gish gallop I've ever seen.
It's frightening that such an idiot could ever be president.
Yep and I have an observation. In a quarter to a third of his answers he contradicts himself. In the same sentence. I wish the press would track when he does this. It's proof he just rambles on without a clear understanding of what he's talking about.
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