Bob Woodward’s New Book, ‘Fear’

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:28 AM

All of my family that has healthcare is now paying over 400% more for it than they were before Obamacare came out, and their deductibles are outrageous.

It's not that nobody cares, it's that nobody want's to spend their entire paycheck for insurance while other people don't pay anything.

Don't talk about money issues, stupid. Nobody want's to hear any virtue signalling from your rich dumb ass.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you have a warped view of Americans. Like here, you don't see people for who they really are, you're just arguing with the "Texas Republican" cardboard cutout that you have in your head. Maybe you should get out of Texas once in a while.

And maybe you don't know that the American government has steadfastly refused to take the step that 124 other states have of ratifying the Rome Statute and thus becoming a member of the International Criminal Court. The ICC’s mandate to investigate war crimes has thus been hampered by the unwillingness of the world’s sole superpower to commit to the organization. Do American voters give a damn? Do they push their Congressman to join? They do not, which strongly indicates the citizens are massive wrong. The same about their Troops, oh, the saintly Troops keeping America free. People that leak what atrocities the Troops did overseas get thrown in jail. The average American approves of the jailing. The atrocity has been leaked but the average American has no problem. It is as if throwing the leaker in jail discredited the proof of the atrocity.

Recent statements from the Trump administration suggest that the United States is now preparing to go to war against the ICC itself, motivated largely by an effort to silence investigations into alleged American war crimes committed in Afghanistan. If there wasn't something wrong with the way the majority of Americans think, they would be mad as hell at their Troops. I know the excuse: we Americans don't know. But you got to be pretty stupid not to know. Or the other excuse: it is the Media's fault, not an Americans fault. But again you got to be pretty stupid to believe war is the solution to every problem. Or you have to have some awfully warped values.

I am going with the idea the average American has warped values and acts awfully stupid. It explains why the majority can not coalesce around one sensible solution on any subject: be it war, the minimum wage, the tax code, anything. Instead we get millions of contradictory opinions, which allows your Congressman to do nothing, because there is no majority for anything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:03 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All of my family that has healthcare is now paying over 400% more for it than they were before Obamacare came out, and their deductibles are outrageous.

It's not that nobody cares, it's that nobody want's to spend their entire paycheck for insurance while other people don't pay anything.

Don't talk about money issues, stupid. Nobody want's to hear any virtue signalling from your rich dumb ass.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How about this for a working hypothesis: You and your relatives get screwed over because you are lazy morons and cowards? It fits the facts. I haven't followed any of your blood around all day to see their decisions, but if they are anything like you, they are constantly being cheated or swindled and they are not aggressive enough to stop it. Or even smart enough to understand what is happening. They are certain they are poor and it couldn't be their fault! It must be the Federal Government! If they were smarter, they would look for the fault somewhere within their state or with their employer or within themselves. And then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you fucking idiot. Don't go watch TV to take your mind off of the problem. Come up with a solution you can implement today. The bigger and more violent, the better. Don't expect voting once every two years to make a difference. (to be more reasonable: move at least 100 miles away from wherever you live and start again with a fresh plan; make new friends; try something different; don't watch TV to numb your brain)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:07 AM

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SECOND, you have a warped view of Americans. Like here, you don't see people for who they really are, you're just arguing with the "Texas Republican" cardboard cutout that you have in your head. Maybe you should get out of Texas once in a while -SIGNY

And maybe you don't know that the American government has steadfastly refused to take the step that 124 other states have of ratifying the Rome Statute and thus becoming a member of the International Criminal Court. - SECOND

WTF does that have to do with anything???

The ICC was founded in 1998, and Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump have ALL declined the oppty to join!

Now, we could imagine that ONE reason why Americans know little about this issue is because it's not in the press. Gee, why do you suppose that is, SECOND?

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How about this for a working hypothesis: You and your relatives get screwed over because you are lazy morons and cowards?- SECOND

How about THIS for a working hypothesis, SECOND?: One reason why people are poor in America is because they refuse to be greedy amoral parasites like you?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:25 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All of my family that has healthcare is now paying over 400% more for it than they were before Obamacare came out, and their deductibles are outrageous.

It's not that nobody cares, it's that nobody want's to spend their entire paycheck for insurance while other people don't pay anything.

Don't talk about money issues, stupid. Nobody want's to hear any virtue signalling from your rich dumb ass.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
How about this for a working hypothesis: You and your relatives get screwed over because you are lazy morons and cowards? It fits the facts. I haven't followed any of your blood around all day to see their decisions, but if they are anything like you, they are constantly being cheated or swindled and they are not aggressive enough to stop it. Or even smart enough to understand what is happening. They are certain they are poor and it couldn't be their fault! It must be the Federal Government! If they were smarter, they would look for the fault somewhere within their state or with their employer or within themselves. And then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you fucking idiot. Don't go watch TV to take your mind off of the problem. Come up with a solution you can implement today. The bigger and more violent, the better. Don't expect voting once every two years to make a difference. (to be more reasonable: move at least 100 miles away from wherever you live and start again with a fresh plan; make new friends; try something different; don't watch TV to numb your brain)

I don't watch TV. Or movies. I've had plenty to say about that in other threads, so that's not bullshit.

You're pretty funny too. You just said that the reason that Obamacare will fail is because people are selfish and don't give a shit about those less fortunate than them. Your reply to me is that my family and I (and the rest of the middle class) are fucking idiots, and your answer is advocating violence on the part of the 99% again?

I'd counter that with the reason that we all don't have reasonably affordable healthcare is because the 1% dosen't give a shit about anybody but themselves.

Quit your virtue signalling bullshit. Especially when you constantly undermine it with posts like the one I just quoted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quit your virtue signalling bullshit. Especially when you constantly undermine it with posts like the one I just quoted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump wanted to print money to repay the national debt. That’s bananas.

Bob Woodward's book, ‘Fear’, reports the following exchange occurred between Trump and Gary Cohn, the former director of the National Economic Council, while discussing the national debt:

Trump: “Just run the presses—print money.”

Cohn: “You don’t get to do it that way. We have huge deficits and they matter. The government doesn’t keep a balance sheet like that.”

Cohn, writes Woodward, was “astounded at Trump’s lack of basic understanding.” The president has accused Woodward of fabricating quotes. But while Cohn has said the book “does not accurately portray” his experience of the White House, he hasn’t denied that any specific exchanges took place, as Axios notes.

So why is Trump’s suggestion a big deal? Throughout his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump vowed to slash US national debt and balance the federal budget. Not only has he failed to do so—his exchange with Cohn suggests he doesn’t even understand how national debt works.

Trump proposes to print his way out of debt, directly fund government spending with money the government creates.

It’s certainly possible to do this — in theory, at least. Since the global breakdown of the gold standard in the 1970s, there’s nothing backing most currencies anymore — which means there’s no clear limit on how much money governments can issue. So, sure, if a country wants to spend more than it earns, its treasury could indeed fire up the mints and crank out crisp new bills to pay off those old debts (or, more accurately, it could create the cash electronically). The US could, say, pay wages for federal workers or pay Social Security and Medicare in a few keystrokes — by simply adding a credit to those accounts.

Why that would cause a financial crisis can be found at https://qz.com/1387565/

If you want to know what can happen in a financial crisis not caused by printing money, there is this article: www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/why-bushs-quiet-role-in-the-financial-
crisis-deserves-attention-now/ar-BBNewQj?ocid=spartanntp

When the next crisis rolls around, we will have Trump. He might be stubbornly slow to react because crisis management often requires doing the opposite of what the public demands.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 16, 2018 3:37 AM

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"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."- SIGNY

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well?- GSTRING

You mean the resignations from the FBI and DOJ? Well, yes, I believe those are deliberate.

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The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!- GSTRING

But nothing to do with Russia.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:34 AM

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Originally posted by second:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quit your virtue signalling bullshit. Especially when you constantly undermine it with posts like the one I just quoted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Trump wanted to print money to repay the national debt. That’s bananas.

Nothing at all to do with the quote of mine, once again, but pretty funny. I haven't heard the word "bananas" used like that in a very long time.

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Bob Woodward's book, ‘Fear’, reports the following exchange occurred between Trump and Gary Cohn, the former director of the National Economic Council, while discussing the national debt:

Trump: “Just run the presses—print money.”

Cohn: “You don’t get to do it that way. We have huge deficits and they matter. The government doesn’t keep a balance sheet like that.”

They matter? The government doesn't keep a balance sheet like that?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Cohn, writes Woodward, was “astounded at Trump’s lack of basic understanding.” The president has accused Woodward of fabricating quotes. But while Cohn has said the book “does not accurately portray” his experience of the White House, he hasn’t denied that any specific exchanges took place, as Axios notes.

So why is Trump’s suggestion a big deal? Throughout his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump vowed to slash US national debt and balance the federal budget. Not only has he failed to do so—his exchange with Cohn suggests he doesn’t even understand how national debt works.

Most people in this country don't even understand how their credit card debt works.

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Trump proposes to print his way out of debt, directly fund government spending with money the government creates.

In other words, to just continue what we've been doing.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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It’s certainly possible to do this — in theory, at least.

In theory no. But we've practiced it for quite a long time now. This is what happens.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Since the global breakdown of the gold standard in the 1970s, there’s nothing backing most currencies anymore — which means there’s no clear limit on how much money governments can issue. So, sure, if a country wants to spend more than it earns, its treasury could indeed fire up the mints and crank out crisp new bills to pay off those old debts (or, more accurately, it could create the cash electronically). The US could, say, pay wages for federal workers or pay Social Security and Medicare in a few keystrokes — by simply adding a credit to those accounts.

This Guilford character seems to think that Trump invented the national deficit. We do pay federal workers wages, Social Security and Medicare in a few keystrokes, by simply adding a credit to those accounts.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Why that would cause a financial crisis can be found at https://qz.com/1387565/

Or here: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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If you want to know what can happen in a financial crisis not caused by printing money, there is this article: www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/why-bushs-quiet-role-in-the-financial-
crisis-deserves-attention-now/ar-BBNewQj?ocid=spartanntp

Or here: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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When the next crisis rolls around, we will have Trump. He might be stubbornly slow to react because crisis management often requires doing the opposite of what the public demands.

We've been mired in one since before I was born. It accellerated drastically under GWB and went off the rails under Obama.

No clear end in sight with the current admin.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Is he stupid, or is he evil.

Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Both. There are smart evil people, but Trump is not smart. He's just another rich boy with no sense of anything outside his own ego.

He'd have carried on with his lame life, but he had enough ego to run for president, egged on by Putin.

Trump will crash and burn. Whatever happens makes Putin stronger. He is the most powerful person in the world today. And he's a ruthless tyrant.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:14 PM

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If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?

Oooo, good point, Captain.

Every time Trump opens his mouth and says, "...many people have said." and "I saw hundreds of Muslims cheering, with no proof or collaborating accounts.
He makes completely false statements all the time. The only true thing coming out of his mouth is Hillary and Obama's names (his go-to phrase).

sgg

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