Libtard's Love Affair With Ultra Liberal RINO McCain

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SIGNYM

Monday, September 3, 2018 12:04 AM

I'm not destroying McCain's reputation, merely clarifying it. Most vets disagree with McCain politically, but hated Trump's comment. OTOH, it was Trump that helped bring Korean MIAs home, not McCain.

On the issue of POWs/MIAs, vets were LIVID that McCain helped hide information within the bowels of the bureaucracy. Why would McCain almost single-handedly block legislation that the entire House voted for? Why would he NOT want to disseminate information that would help settle the status of MIAs/POWs? Plus, McCain's persistent cozying up to tyrants, terrorists, nazis, and jihadists is a matter of record.

There is a tendency to write about famous people as if they were saints after they die. It's called "hagiography".

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1: biography of saints or venerated persons
2: idealizing or idolizing biography

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hagiography

Almost nobody deserves worshipful words; in fact, I think Malcom Reynolds said it best when he commented that nearly everyone who had a statue erected was some kind of sumbitch or another. So let's keep McCain's "legacy" in realistic perspective, okay?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Monday, September 3, 2018 1:36 AM

First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
-attack

Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not destroying McCain's reputation, merely clarifying it. Most vets disagree with McCain politically, but hated Trump's comment. OTOH, it was Trump that helped bring Korean MIAs home, not McCain.

On the issue of POWs/MIAs, vets were LIVID that McCain helped hide information within the bowels of the bureaucracy. Why would McCain almost single-handedly block legislation that the entire House voted for? Why would he NOT want to disseminate information that would help settle the status of MIAs/POWs? Plus, McCain's persistent cozying up to tyrants, terrorists, nazis, and jihadists is a matter of record.

There is a tendency to write about famous people as if they were saints after they die. It's called "hagiography".

Quote:
1: biography of saints or venerated persons
2: idealizing or idolizing biography

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hagiography

Almost nobody deserves worshipful words; in fact, I think Malcom Reynolds said it best when he commented that nearly everyone who had a statue erected was some kind of sumbitch or another. So let's keep McCain's "legacy" in realistic perspective, okay?

Trump certainly got the words wrong, as he oft does on any subject.
But his sentiment regarding McCain certainly mirrored Vets, which is why MSM and other Libtards were the most outraged.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 1:51 AM

BREAKING NEWS:

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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You mean like how you just used "Leftist?"
No. Nothing like that.

It's what you are.
People aren't Nazis or Commies? Of course they are. I'm not a "leftist" btw, whatever the hell you think it means. You don't even know who has said what around here:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When you call somebody a Nazi, however, it's laughable. Twice as funny when the next week you call that same person a Commie.
What's laughable is I've never called anyone here a Nazi or a Commie. You're full of the same sh*t that Siggy is.

CC/G-string/pizmobeach proclaims he/she is not really a leftist!!
Just ignore that nonstop spew of leftist vomit that is constantly coming from him.
What a Hoot!

And also self-proclaiming illiteracy with the inability to comprehend the difference between "Nazis or Commies" instead of being both Nazi and Commie.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm sure it's because Rachel Maddow or one of the other Leftist clowns have been telling them what a hero he is, all because he had some negative things to say about Trump.
Hey, your turn. Siggy bailed on her fake claim - who are these people on this board, "singing the praises of McCain?" Or are you just making sh*t up again just like Siggy?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And of course, at this point, anybody who says that McCain wasn't a hero is going to be labeled by them as a Commie, or a Nazi, or whatever word of the week they're throwing around.
You mean like how you just used "Leftist?"

And that was from the same leftist clown who is so illiterate to render them incapable of finding any posts on FFF.net adoring McCain for his treasonous acts.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 2:04 AM

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Sig thinks her opinion of McCain means something. It doesn't and the country thinks this as well comrade. Just watch the news.

T

Some Troll has confused "the country" with Libtard MSM Propaganda.

Anybody wondering why those who despise America and consider American Patriots to be their enemy are so adoring of McCain? What's that tell you?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 2:14 AM

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It's called swift boating comrade sig. No surprise you'll do anything , post anything to destroy the reputation of a good American. That's what russian trolls do.

T

And bringing in another stellar example of Libtard heroism, Secretary Swiftboat Ketchup!

You Liberals really, really hate it when your phony pseudo-heroes are exposed via Truth by distinguished honest Veterans, huh?

Geez, this thread is like a Libtard Magnet.

REAVERFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 4:30 AM

Still wondering who these liberals are who suddenly love McCain.

SECOND

Monday, September 3, 2018 5:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
-attack

Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

If he wanted to be elected, McCain had to become a hawk before he started his run for President in 1997. From his release as a prisoner of war until his ambitions got fired up, he was NOT a hawk. This tells you much about what the majority of voters (but not me) want to see from their Presidents.

It is completely unsurprising that a past Democratic President was eulogizing McCain. He and Biden wouldn't have been elected if they didn't over-praise and over-spend on the military. The majority of voters want that. Even the guys who were in the military, but never killed anybody up close and really personal, tend toward over-praising and over-spending.

On the other hand, it was completely unsurprising that Trump was not at the funeral; he also over-praised and over-spent, but he was also a big fat coward about serving in Vietnam. Trump hated McCain because of a public discussion about how big a chicken Trump still is.

How John McCain became the hawkiest hawk

Matt Welch, author of the book “McCain: The Myth of a Maverick”, consider the late senator’s path from “Vietnam-syndrome realist” to committed interventionist.

Finally, some truth about "The Maverick" - after days of MSM coverage, you'd think the mightiest Political Giant of the 21st Century - a combination Ike/Abe Lincoln/Henry Clay - had passed away.

Start at 21:34 From a “Vietnam-syndrome realist” to the hawkiest hawk

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Monday, September 3, 2018 7:19 AM

T

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

When Sen. John McCain died eight days ago, these words from Thomas Paine's famous Revolutionary War pamphlet came to mind to embody McCain's life.

THG

Monday, September 3, 2018 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I was watching a good TV Show, a rare experience, when ABC interrupted for more fawning over their favorite R-coded Libtard.

Some highlights:
I keep forgetting that he graduated the Naval Academy at the absolute bottom of his Class, despite having an Admiral father.

No mention of his accomplishment of being the only American in all of history to single-handed fatally damage, destroy and Decommission an entire Aircraft Carrier.

Such a complete failure all his life, but this can be accredited to his severe bout of Libtardism.

The worst self-claimed Republican has died. May he open his eyes soon.

Now so many Patriotic American Veterans can have a far less despising animosity towards GOP members. So many have felt stabbed in the back with every sighting of McCain, he has been a nonstop thorn in the side of Patriotic Veterans for so long.

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 9:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
-attack

Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

I managed to miss this one, posted while I was posting.

Obviously, accurate prediction.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 9:39 AM

Posted near top of page for easy reference.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You Right Wing Nuts make me laugh. You call Republicans Democrats because your dickless orange leader doesn't know shit from shinola, and commands it. So you guys follow along like good little geese (swear to God, they juggle them).
ONCE AGAIN SHINY"GOOD"GUY, YOU'RE ARGUING WITH THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD. It's a bad habit that a lot of so-called liberals here fall into. How about responding to the actual people here?
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You march to the drum beat and high-step with tiki-torch in hand, misinformed and filled with righteous indignation because you claim superiority based on skin pigmentation (or regional superiority).
Those tiki-torch carrying regionally-superior goose-steppers that you refer to?

JOHN McCAIN SUPPORTED THEM IN UKRAINE.

Activists of the Svoboda (Freedom) and Right Sector Ukrainian nationalist parties hold torches as they take part in a rally to mark the 106th birth anniversary of Stepan Bandera, one of the founders of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), in Kiev January 1, 2015.
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Check where the civilized world began.
Ukraine!
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And here you are denigrating a man who had BALLS. Fuck politics! He put his life on the line so "we" could sit with our collective thumbs up our asses and protest against foreign wars and ideologies that we haven't a motherfucking clue.
Personally, I think HE didn't have a motherfucking clue. He went into the military because it was the only career choice that his family expected of him seeing as his father and grandfather were both Admirals
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Isn't it ironic. Here we YOU are arguing tribally,
and righteously ...
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with knee-jerk responses and "rigged" propaganda and we have the nerve to comment on the life of a man who sacrificed so we could argue, fuss and fight.
Bull. But more about that in a bit ...
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Did he make mistakes? Of course he did. What man hasn't.
When you advocate for carpet-bombing a nation with which we were not at war (Cambodia) ... but don't learn from that "mistake" and go on to support right-wing death squads in Central America ... and don't learn from that "mistake" but go on to support takfiri terrorists on Bosnia ... but don't learn from THAT mistake but go on to support a corrupt dictatorial politician in Georgia .... but don't learn from THAT "mistake" and go on to support Nazis in Ukraine .... and ISIL in Syria ...

At some point, son, it stops being "mistake" and starts being a built-in character flaw.
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Did I always agree with him... Hell No! Am I kissing his ring? Fuck No! But what tickles me is how you guys like to ridicule anyone that doesn't agree with you and then call out those who have the nerve to acknowledge a man's legacy;
Oh, no, I AM acknowledging his "legacy". It's a legacy of dead bodies and foreign interventions everywhere he went! If you can think of another legacy, let me know.
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He put himself out there so you could have your say, no matter how fucked up you sound.
Bullshit. None of the "interventions" that he advocated so strongly for had fuck-all to do with our "freedoms". If he has TRULY been for our "freedoms" he would have voted against the so-called "Patriot Act" ... but he didn't. NEITHER HE NOR YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR FREEDOMS ARE BASED ON. HINT: It's not rampaging across the globe bringing death and destruction everywhere.
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+100 - damn straight SGG, well said, especially the Fuck Politics part. -GSTRING
OK, GSTRING, LET'S "fuck politics".

WITHOUT POLITICS (and his wife's cons

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1KIKI

Monday, September 3, 2018 2:41 PM

McCain - history highlights of this peace-loving, anti-war Senator in office 1987 - 2018:

voted for (by unanimous consent) "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution" 1991 (Gulf War)

voted for American air assault of Yugoslavia (1999)

voted for "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" 2001
“We should make an immediate statement of our resolve that we no longer intend to tolerate sanction given to our enemies by any nation…Should the Taliban refuse our demand, then they must know that they will be treated as allies of our enemy, and, thus, are themselves our enemies, and will suffer much for their allegiance.”

voted for “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution” 2002
“Leaders always have choices, and history teaches that hard choices deferred—appeasing Hitler, choosing not to deter Saddam Hussein in 1990, failing to act sooner against Al Qaeda—often bring about the very circumstances we wished to avoid by deferring action, requiring us to react in freedom’s defense. America’s leaders today have a choice. It will determine whether our people live in fear behind walls that have already been breached, as our enemies plan our defeat in time we have given them to do it.”

promoted US bombing of Libya
“I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically-elected governments” (2000). “it does take time, as it did during the period of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. But we were able to provide them with some weapons and wherewithal to cause the Russians to leave Afghanistan. So we can do it” (2012).

promoted "The Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Government of Syria"
“Providing military assistance to the Free Syrian Army and other opposition groups is necessary, but at this late hour, that alone will not be sufficient to stop the slaughter and save innocent lives. The only realistic way to do so is with foreign air power.”

And let's not forget his position on Iran

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SECOND

Monday, September 3, 2018 4:26 PM

The eulogy service for John McCain was deeply frustrating. It was strange to see such supposed antipathy expressed for Trump from a group of people who, every single day, possess the power to stop him. It was odd to see them do so in honor of a man who also possessed that power, but refused to use it except on a few high-profile votes. It would only take one Republican Senator to cross the aisle, and Trump would be forced to release his taxes and submit to multiple overlapping investigations. Instead, they golf with Trump. The bipartisan condemnation of Trump was inspiring, but those who delivered it must examine their own role in creating his rise to power. They, unlike most Americans, need not rely either on Robert Mueller or new election results in November to stop Trump.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/09/02/the-mccain-eulogy-was-as-frus
trating-as-it-was-inspiring/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 3, 2018 5:18 PM

I'm going to say at this point I think that T is just trolling.

I don't think that McCain was a bad man, or a lousy politician. Well... at least he was no worse than anybody else who governs us.

I don't even really want to speak ill of him. There's really no point now that he's not around any longer anyhow. I just think it's kind of sad how many people on the left are parading him around as a hero today when everybody knows full well they had an equal and opposite opinion of him when he ran against Obama in 2008.

At least Second seems to have some perspective on the issue in the post above this one. I'm actually quite shocked that I'm saying that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
McCain - history highlights of this peace-loving, anti-war Senator in office 1987 - 2018:

voted for (by unanimous consent) "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution" 1991 (Gulf War)

voted for American air assault of Yugoslavia (1999)

voted for "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" 2001
“We should make an immediate statement of our resolve that we no longer intend to tolerate sanction given to our enemies by any nation…Should the Taliban refuse our demand, then they must know that they will be treated as allies of our enemy, and, thus, are themselves our enemies, and will suffer much for their allegiance.”

voted for “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution” 2002
“Leaders always have choices, and history teaches that hard choices deferred—appeasing Hitler, choosing not to deter Saddam Hussein in 1990, failing to act sooner against Al Qaeda—often bring about the very circumstances we wished to avoid by deferring action, requiring us to react in freedom’s defense. America’s leaders today have a choice. It will determine whether our people live in fear behind walls that have already been breached, as our enemies plan our defeat in time we have given them to do it.”

promoted US bombing of Libya
“I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically-elected governments” (2000). “it does take time, as it did during the period of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. But we were able to provide them with some weapons and wherewithal to cause the Russians to leave Afghanistan. So we can do it” (2012).

promoted "The Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Government of Syria"
“Providing military assistance to the Free Syrian Army and other opposition groups is necessary, but at this late hour, that alone will not be sufficient to stop the slaughter and save innocent lives. The only realistic way to do so is with foreign air power.”

And let's not forget his position on Iran

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Why should anybody care, now that he is dead?
??

He has not been the only incompetent war-mongering Libtard on the planet.
Those who do not know History are doomed to repeat it.
Same goes for those who only know Fake History, the History peddled by MSM.

SIGNYM

Monday, September 3, 2018 10:26 PM

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Why should anybody care, now that he is dead?

Well, I think that those who think McCain is a saint because he was a POW and has since died should re-examine HOW they got to the point of lionizing a war-criminal/war-monger and perhaps tweak their thinking so they don't make the same mistake again. Yanno, learn from the mistakes of the past, and figure out how not to do that again.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 3, 2018 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Why should anybody care, now that he is dead?
Well, I think that those who think McCain is a saint because he was a POW and has since died should re-examine HOW they got to the point of lionizing a war-criminal/war-monger and perhaps tweak their thinking so they don't make the same mistake again. Yanno, learn from the mistakes of the past, and figure out how not to do that again.

To be clear for viewers, my full post was right away, not edited after Sig paraphrased what I already posted. In my post the opening question was only prop for illustrating the point in the answer.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Why should anybody care, now that he is dead?
Well, I think that those who think McCain is a saint because he was a POW and has since died should re-examine HOW they got to the point of lionizing a war-criminal/war-monger and perhaps tweak their thinking so they don't make the same mistake again. Yanno, learn from the mistakes of the past, and figure out how not to do that again.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

My point is that many of those lionizing him today on the Left and using his POW stories as their reason for calling him a hero today are not only being completely disingenuous for the actual reason they're making such a huge deal out of this now, but many of them were correctly vilifying him 10 years ago, but apparently for all the wrong reasons stemming purely from their political ideology.

This is nothing more than the most up to date example of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Nothing more. Nothing less.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 1:12 AM

"Why should anybody care, now that he is dead?
??"

For the very reason you posted "Those who do not know History are doomed to repeat it."

And also - people here seem extraordinarily easy manipulated by tribal markings. In order for so-called liberals to lionize McCain, they have to have forgotten that their original liberal tribal markings were as the party for peace, before they became the 'neo'-liberal party of 'righteous' war. But once they were tattooed as the war party, they recognized the same tribal markings on McCain, and are treating him as a deeply mourned brother.

There is no thought behind that hypocrisy. There is no thought about whether the rationalizations for US war all around the global defending - whatever - are ethical, moral, or even logical. There is no recognition of the common humanity between us and our hundreds of thousands of innocent victims. There is no calculation of cost and benefit. There is no accounting of who will pay the costs and who will reap the benefits. There is no past history or future outcome.

There's only the drumbeat of the tattooed, immersed in self-righteousness and war.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 1:25 AM

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

But when wartime comes, and come it will, I want the toughest, meanest motherfucker on the planet to Ready, Aim, Fire! in between the Heil Hitler,
dictator POS eyes. Straight through the brain pan!

Ah yes, violence.....mmmmmmm, feels so good! It's the only way to make sure
to get rid of these fuckers once and for all. KILL THEM ALL!, I say.

Then vote!

Good old fashion hate....nothing like it!

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
-attack

Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 1:35 AM

You see! You do watch....I rest my case.

sgg

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I was watching a good TV Show, a rare experience, when ABC interrupted for more fawning over their favorite R-coded Libtard.

Some highlights:
I keep forgetting that he graduated the Naval Academy at the absolute bottom of his Class, despite having an Admiral father.

No mention of his accomplishment of being the only American in all of history to single-handed fatally damage, destroy and Decommission an entire Aircraft Carrier.

Such a complete failure all his life, but this can be accredited to his severe bout of Libtardism.

The worst self-claimed Republican has died. May he open his eyes soon.

Now so many Patriotic American Veterans can have a far less despising animosity towards GOP members. So many have felt stabbed in the back with every sighting of McCain, he has been a nonstop thorn in the side of Patriotic Veterans for so long.
Awww, poor baby.....did the Big Bad MSM interrupt the latest episode of the Bachelorette, the bastards. You should write them a letter.

"Dear ABC, you interrupted my favorite show...you big brutes!"
Bwah hahhahaha!

SGG
It was Good Doctor, with Freddie Highmore.

The Bachelors in Paradise has the biggest collection of Drama Queen Nancy Boys ever corralled. They make the girls look like he-men.

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

But when wartime comes, and come it will, I want the toughest, meanest motherfucker on the planet to Ready, Aim, Fire!

When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice.

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Ah yes, violence.....mmmmmmm, feels so good! It's the only way to make sure
to get rid of these fuckers once and for all. KILL THEM ALL!, I say.

Once and for all? You mean killing people will permanently rid the world of enemies? If that were the case, the Revolutionary War should have done it.

I can't tell if you're so blinded by emotion you can't understand the limits of your thinking, or if you're letting your rhetoric get out of control into incomprehensible irrationality while you try and convince/ rally people.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

But when wartime comes, and come it will, I want the toughest, meanest motherfucker on the planet to Ready, Aim, Fire!
When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice.
Quote:
Ah yes, violence.....mmmmmmm, feels so good! It's the only way to make sure
to get rid of these fuckers once and for all. KILL THEM ALL!, I say.
Once and for all? You mean killing people will permanently rid the world of enemies? If that were the case, the Revolutionary War should have done it.

I can't tell if you're so blinded by emotion you can't understand the limits of your thinking, or if you're letting your rhetoric get out of control into incomprehensible irrationality while you try and convince/ rally people.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 3:20 PM

It was something. I don't know what it was though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:18 PM

There are a few schools of thought on 9-11. One of them thinks that it was so convenient to our war* [corrected] plans that it must have had help ... and lots of explosives... from our very own government. A "Make It Happen on Purpose" (MIHOP). Others think that our deep state KNEW about the upcoming terror attack, but did nothing to foil it, a Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP). A third group thinks that this was an almost total surprise, but then the government did a lot of cover up Saudi and Israeli complicity.

I really haven't made up my mind about what happened, but I'm kind of hovering around LIHOP.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are a few schools of thought on 9-11. One of them thinks that it was so convenient to our warp plans that it must have had help ... and lots of explosives... from our very own government. A "Make It Happen on Purpose" (MIHOP). Others think that our deep state KNEW about the upcoming terror attack, but did nothing to foil it, a Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP). A third group thinks that this was an almost total surprise, but then the government did a lot of cover up Saudi and Israeli complicity.

I really haven't made up my mind about what happened, but I'm kind of hovering around LIHOP.

-

You're just a sick whack job comrade sig.

T

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 9:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You're just a sick whack job comrade sig.

I don't think she got enough attention as a child. Or maybe even now. Or both!

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 PM

THOUSANDS of architects and engineers, studying how the 9-11 building fell, believe that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash. Here is the website of those architects. engineers, and the skeptical public (especially relatives of 9-11 victims).

Quote:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

https://www.ae911truth.org/

In order to come to a reasoned decision about whether or not the buildings were brought down by explosion, I would myself have to be an architect or an engineer and study their propositions in detail. I know that they focus on Building No 7, which collapsed even though it was never struck, but if people are skeptical that No 7 could fall like a controlled demolition but accept that the Twin Towers could, that doesn't make sense. I think it has to be an "all or nothing" argument. Also, I have not parsed in detail the "evidence" that purports to show when and how explosives were planted.

I KNOW for a fact that Bush let Saudis fly out of the country immediately afterwards, when all (other) planes were grounded, and I find it odd that Bush would only testify before the 9-11 Commission NOT under oath, and only if he could hold Dick Cheney's hand. I base my opinion on the fact that all kinds of hinky things went on immediately before and after 9-11; not about the rehash it here but it certainly looks like a cover-up to me.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You're just a sick whack job comrade sig.

I don't think she got enough attention as a child. Or maybe even now. Or both!

There can be no doubt left she is nuts. Absolutely nuts, so much so I mostly post to you and some others here giving updates to what is going on in the real world. Not this home for the delusional. They may be in denial of what is real but the rest of us are not.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are a few schools of thought on 9-11. One of them thinks that it was so convenient to our war* [corrected] plans that it must have had help ... and lots of explosives... from our very own government. A "Make It Happen on Purpose" (MIHOP). Others think that our deep state KNEW about the upcoming terror attack, but did nothing to foil it, a Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP). A third group thinks that this was an almost total surprise, but then the government did a lot of cover up Saudi and Israeli complicity.

I really haven't made up my mind about what happened, but I'm kind of hovering around LIHOP.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

I view it in the same light as I do the Moon Landing, or the existence of God. I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. It's all above my pay grade.

It's entirely plausible that it all went down the way that we've been told that it did. If it weren't than it wouldn't be a believable story. A little healthy skepticism never hurt anybody though, especially when we're talking about our government who has been exposed on many other occasions as lying and manipulating people over generations.

I'm not going to go jumping onto any conspiracy theory trains or anything either. At the end of the day, no matter what really happened, that knowledge isn't going to effect my life one way or the other, so I see no point in giving it all that much thought.

That's why I liken it to the idea of the Moon Landing. Whether it actually was real or not (a decade before I was even born), we haven't had any meaningful follow up to it regardless. It's interesting to debate the issue or think about it from time to time, but there's really no point obsessing over it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:39 AM

Quote:
They may be in denial of what is real but the rest of us are not.- THUGR

Oh, you mean like the denial that you engage in when it comes to McCain's incessant warmongering?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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THG

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:01 AM

So tell me sig. Is Putin a war monger?

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:17 AM

Quote:
So tell me sig. Is Putin a war monger?- THUGR

No. He has not put Russian troops into any territory unless invited, with the exception of Ukraine. If you don't think so, show me otherwise.

We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?

No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
So tell me sig. Is Putin a war monger?- THUGR
No. He has not put Russian troops into any territory unless invited, with the exception of Ukraine. If you don't think so, show me otherwise.

We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

This is what I don't get. We didn't have to explain this to Democrats before Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THOUSANDS of architects and engineers, studying how the 9-11 building fell, believe that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash. Here is the website of those architects. engineers, and the skeptical public (especially relatives of 9-11 victims).
Quote:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

https://www.ae911truth.org/

In order to come to a reasoned decision about whether or not the buildings were brought down by explosion, I would myself have to be an architect or an engineer and study their propositions in detail. I know that they focus on Building No 7, which collapsed even though it was never struck, but if people are skeptical that No 7 could fall like a controlled demolition but accept that the Twin Towers could, that doesn't make sense. I think it has to be an "all or nothing" argument. Also, I have not parsed in detail the "evidence" that purports to show when and how explosives were planted.

I KNOW for a fact that Bush let Saudis fly out of the country immediately afterwards, when all (other) planes were grounded, and I find it odd that Bush would only testify before the 9-11 Commission NOT under oath, and only if he could hold Dick Cheney's hand. I base my opinion on the fact that all kinds of hinky things went on immediately before and after 9-11; not about the rehash it here but it certainly looks like a cover-up to me.

Is it conjured that explosives were in the basement/parking level, or around the 70th Floor? Or that no plane ever flew into the Towers?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?
No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Both of those are after 1941.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?
No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Both of those are after 1941.

Her point is that neither was an act of war as defined by international law.

The "War on Terror" is no more legitimate than the "War on Drugs" is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?
No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Both of those are after 1941.

Her point is that neither was an act of war as defined by international law.

The "War on Terror" is no more legitimate than the "War on Drugs" is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

She had said that US land had not been attacked since 1941.
IIRC Japan did not consider 1941 to be an Act of War, either.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
ummmmm....
You don't think 11 September 2001 was an attack on US land?
No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Both of those are after 1941.

Her point is that neither was an act of war as defined by international law.

The "War on Terror" is no more legitimate than the "War on Drugs" is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
She had said that US land had not been attacked since 1941.
IIRC Japan did not consider 1941 to be an Act of War, either.

You say a statement like that, yet provide no citations stating that case?

What are you suggesting here? The leaders of Japan did not authorize that strike? Pearl Harbor was an attack by rogue Japanese personnel? Whoever was in charge of that attack was just joking and didn't really mean it?

I'm not necessarily arguing you here. Like any of the other examples lain out in this thread already, I wasn't there and it's above my paygrade. All we have is history books written about the events, and half of the history I grew up reading in school has already been changed.

I hope you're not trying to link Pearl Harbor to the September 11 attacks though. The Pearl Harbor attacks, assuming they went down the way we're told they did, were orchestrated by the Japanese government and were an act of war. The September 11th attacks, if they went down the way we we're told they did, were carried out by a diseased ideology that was not a government mandate and had no definite borders.

It's the difference between two nations going to war, and a group of ideological criminals provoking an entire nation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:19 PM

During an emergency cabinet meeting called by Roosevelt immediately after the war erupted in Europe (1939), it was agreed that the United States would remain an outside influence unless directly threatened or attacked. Even had the government backed the war, Americans were still getting over the turmoil of World War I. The general public was not ready to join another war, opting for neutrality. A poll taken in 1939, after the outbreak of war, showed 94% as being against going to war, which is a sharp contrast to today and the world John McCain lived in. Take a poll today and 94% would be willing to support "The Troops" no matter where they go to or what they will be doing when they get there. But then again, having known some of those old Americans who were voters in 1939, I know they were clearly and obviously far wiser about the costs of warfare than typical 2018 adults.
https://visitpearlharbor.org/didnt-american-initially-join-war/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:01 PM

Quote:
Is it conjured that explosives were in the basement/parking level, or around the 70th Floor? Or that no plane ever flew into the Towers?

I'm sure people conjure a lot of things. Some people insist, to this day, that the earth is flat.

To be honest, I haven't parsed thru the claims of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth to know exactly how far their claims go. Most of the dispute seems to center around Building No 7, which pancaked like a controlled demolition even tho it was never struck. I've seen many analyses of the videos of No 7 collapse, which show that the top floors were in free-fall, meaning that all lower support structures had been destroyed BEFORE the top floors fell down. In other words, it wasn't a normal "pancake" where the impact of upper stories landing on lower stories collapse the lower floors, but (again) more like a controlled demolition where the supports are exploded first. So, some people dispute the official narrative of a support beam on floor 5/ Bldg No 7 giving way causing the collapse.

Also, some people dispute the way the Twin Towers collapsed, claiming that a jet-fuel fire in the central "well" of the building (which acted like a fireplace chimney) could never weaken the buildings to the point of collapse. Some people claim to have found traces of thermite (an aluminum/ iron oxide powder which burns hot enough to melt metal, once you get it going) in the building debris.

I find their evidence ... to the extent that I looked at it ... to be unpersuasive.

However, it looks like a cover-up after-the-fact, and possibly conspiracy before-the-fact. Again, not going to go through all of that now because this is a thread about McCain, maybe later/elsewhere.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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1KIKI

Thursday, September 6, 2018 7:14 AM

belated, but better late than never

Here's my full quote: "When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice."

I was SPECIFICALLY referencing war. I mentioned it twice.

The UN defines an aggressor nation as the nation that first uses armed force: "Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition." And "The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression."

Since neither 9/11 nor the Murrah bombing involved a foreign state's military attack on the country, neither is considered an act of war. The US homeland has not been subject to military attack since Pearl Harbor. None of our military actions (except Korea, which was a UN police action) since then can be considered a defense against an act of war. I believe that makes us the aggressor nation in those instances.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Still wondering who these liberals are who suddenly love McCain.

And you must still wonder which direction the Sun will rise tomorrow dawn, in your neighborhood.

Life is constant wonderment, for some.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:11 PM

You know Keeks, it's funny how I go off the deep end and shoot for the stars and you guys get all bent out of shape.

I'm fucking with you......you guys are way too anxious.

As Haymitch Abernathy would say: "Loosen up your corset, have a drink."

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

But when wartime comes, and come it will, I want the toughest, meanest motherfucker on the planet to Ready, Aim, Fire!
When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice.
Quote:
Ah yes, violence.....mmmmmmm, feels so good! It's the only way to make sure
to get rid of these fuckers once and for all. KILL THEM ALL!, I say.
Once and for all? You mean killing people will permanently rid the world of enemies? If that were the case, the Revolutionary War should have done it.

I can't tell if you're so blinded by emotion you can't understand the limits of your thinking, or if you're letting your rhetoric get out of control into incomprehensible irrationality while you try and convince/ rally people.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
belated, but better late than never

Here's my full quote: "When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice."

I was SPECIFICALLY referencing war. I mentioned it twice.

The UN defines an aggressor nation as the nation that first uses armed force: "Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition." And "The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression."

Since neither 9/11 nor the Murrah bombing involved a foreign state's military attack on the country, neither is considered an act of war. The US homeland has not been subject to military attack since Pearl Harbor. None of our military actions (except Korea, which was a UN police action) since then can be considered a defense against an act of war. I believe that makes us the aggressor nation in those instances.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

So when Middle East actors proclaimed they were at War with us, it should be ignored?

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:28 PM

A couple of things:

1- Didn't the Russian Army get their asses handed to them when they invaded
Afghanistan? You know by the Mujahideen (called Freedom Fighters in 1979)

2- I'm going to write to the folks in Oslo, Norway to give Trump the Nobel Peace prize, then maybe he and you guys will shut up about it. Sheesh! You guys really like to "whinge" about Obama getting it, don't you?

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
So tell me sig. Is Putin a war monger?- THUGR
No. He has not put Russian troops into any territory unless invited, with the exception of Ukraine. If you don't think so, show me otherwise.

We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

This is what I don't get. We didn't have to explain this to Democrats before Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
A couple of things:

1- Didn't the Russian Army get their asses handed to them when they invaded
Afghanistan? You know by the Mujahideen (called Freedom Fighters in
1979)

Ummmmm.... what's your point?

Quote:
2- I'm going to write to the folks in Oslo, Norway to give Trump the Nobel Peace prize, then maybe he and you guys will shut up about it. Sheesh! You guys really like to "whinge" about Obama getting it, don't you?

sgg

Yeah. I do. Because there was no reason for him to get it. He hadn't stopped any "wars" yet, he killed countless civilians with drone strikes and pulled us into even more conflicts with others.

What a stupid thing to say that Trump should get one to even it out.

That's you're fucking problem SGG. You keep looking at all of this like there's only two sides.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
So tell me sig. Is Putin a war monger?- THUGR
No. He has not put Russian troops into any territory unless invited, with the exception of Ukraine. If you don't think so, show me otherwise.

We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

This is what I don't get. We didn't have to explain this to Democrats before Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 6, 2018 11:46 PM

Quote:
That's you're fucking problem SGG. You keep looking at all of this like there's only two sides. - SIX

SHINY has a LOT of problems.

SHINY, son, reality doesn't have "sides". If you keep trying to jam everything into "sides" ... Which "side" is THIS on? Which "side" is THAT on? ... it will only trigger your emotions and you'll miss seeing a vast swath of reality. Reality ... it is what it is. Stop trying to make it take "sides".

As far as you having to go back to 1979 to "prove" your "point" that Russia is a warmongering state .... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

1) Maybe you haven't noticed, but the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. The entire leadership, economy, alliances, and system of government (Now! With multi-party elections!) have changed since then. It's not even realistic to tag Russia with what the Soviet Union did back then. That's like saying that Belgium is an imperial power because it once colonized the (Belgian) Congo.

2) Even if I were to accept that point (which I don't) would you care to stack up America's record of invasions/ destabilizations against USSR/Russia's, since 1979???

I DON'T THINK SO.

I'm busy this week, so I may have to drop this discussion, but you kind of shot yourself in the foot with that particular point.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 7, 2018 9:31 AM

Is this "whinge" supposed to be some new alt-spelling of whine?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 7, 2018 9:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So when Middle East actors proclaimed they were at War with us, it should be ignored?

No. It should be handled as a criminal investigation, and not an act of war.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 7, 2018 9:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So when Middle East actors proclaimed they were at War with us, it should be ignored?

No. It should be handled as a criminal investigation, and not an act of war.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

America should conduct Criminal Investigations of other countries?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, September 7, 2018 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So when Middle East actors proclaimed they were at War with us, it should be ignored?

No. It should be handled as a criminal investigation, and not an act of war.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
America should conduct Criminal Investigations of other countries?

I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, September 9, 2018 7:18 AM

"America should conduct Criminal Investigations of other countries?"

No, because other *COUNTRIES* didn't participate. *INDIVIDUALS* did.

Have you not noticed that these individuals float from place to place - yesterday in France, today in the Caucasus, tomorrow in Syria - in the furtherance of their cause? Have you not heard them called NON-STATE ACTORS? Do you not grasp what that means?

Do you not remember the FIRST time the Twin Towers were bombed - by a truck bomb? Did it escape your notice that the individuals were tried, convicted, sentenced, and incarcerated by the US justice system? That the US military didn't attack an uninvolved country in response?

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, September 9, 2018 4:02 PM

Quote:
Ummmmm.... what's your point?

What?........Where?

Quote:
Yeah. I do. Because there was no reason for him to get it. He hadn't stopped any "wars" yet, he killed countless civilians with drone strikes and pulled us into even more conflicts with others.

What a stupid thing to say that Trump should get one to even it out.

That's you're fucking problem SGG. You keep looking at all of this like there's only two sides.

Obama didn't kill enough people with the drone strikes. Should have killed
more Americans, right here in River City. Stupid you say...stupid enough.
But then again, Obama won the Nobel because he only killed thousands with
his drone strikes. Well, maybe after the Coup d'etat.

You know the old saying "there are two sides to every story."

My problem is that you guys are too easy.

"Just when I thought I was getting out, they pull me back in."

Yes, this country is full of people who are Full of Shit. Shall I count
the ways? Cill them all! C...I...L...L Kill my landlord! Bwahhahahaha!

sgg

the beginning of a journey starts but with a single step

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, September 9, 2018 4:18 PM

Quote:
SHINY has a LOT of problems.

Oh, really!? Does the fact that I don't give a flying fuck what you say
mean anything to you? Fuck! Look who am talking too. Of course not.

Are you sure I said "sides"? Geez, I keep doing that. I keep forgetting that
you guys invented knowledge. I'll try to remember next time. Continue...

The Soviet Union doesn't exist? OMG, when did that happen? What's a comrade
to do? My, my time certainly does move in mysterious ways.

America!? You take that back, America is Great! You'll see, Trump said so.

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I DON'T THINK SO.

Okay!

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I'm busy this week, so I may have to drop this discussion,

Awwwww, and I wanted so much to sit at your feet and absorb your glowing
wisdom.

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but you kind of shot yourself in the foot with that particular point.

Oh you! You did it again...you made me look. You know, at my foot! You
always trick me. Gee willikers! Golly gee and Odds botkin!

sgg

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, September 9, 2018 4:31 PM

You haven't a clue, do you? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Good!

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is this "whinge" supposed to be some new alt-spelling of whine?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 9, 2018 7:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Ummmmm.... what's your point?

What?........Where?

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Yeah. I do. Because there was no reason for him to get it. He hadn't stopped any "wars" yet, he killed countless civilians with drone strikes and pulled us into even more conflicts with others.

What a stupid thing to say that Trump should get one to even it out.

That's you're fucking problem SGG. You keep looking at all of this like there's only two sides.

Obama didn't kill enough people with the drone strikes. Should have killed
more Americans, right here in River City. Stupid you say...stupid enough.
But then again, Obama won the Nobel because he only killed thousands with
his drone strikes. Well, maybe after the Coup d'etat.

You know the old saying "there are two sides to every story."

My problem is that you guys are too easy.

"Just when I thought I was getting out, they pull me back in."

Yes, this country is full of people who are Full of Shit. Shall I count
the ways? Cill them all! C...I...L...L Kill my landlord! Bwahhahahaha!

sgg

the beginning of a journey starts but with a single step

I'm a little concerned about your state of mind last night, or in the wee hours of Sunday morning.

You seemed to be bouncing off the walls and have a bit more spite and irrationality in your posts than usual.

I'm not going to accuse you of anything, or even tell you that you shouldn't be doing it. I'm not one of "those" types of people who finally fix themselves and then start judging other people who suffer from the same thing after the fact.

What I will do, however, is offer you somebody to talk to about it if you need to. I work a lot of nights, so I wouldn't be here all the time, but I'm off a lot of nights as well and do frequent this site quite a bit when I'm not working.

Either way, I wish you luck, brother.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, September 9, 2018 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
Ummmmm.... what's your point?

What?........Where?
Quote:
Yeah. I do. Because there was no reason for him to get it. He hadn't stopped any "wars" yet, he killed countless civilians with drone strikes and pulled us into even more conflicts with others.

What a stupid thing to say that Trump should get one to even it out.

That's you're fucking problem SGG. You keep looking at all of this like there's only two sides.

Obama didn't kill enough people with the drone strikes. Should have killed
more Americans, right here in River City. Stupid you say...stupid enough.
But then again, Obama won the Nobel because he only killed thousands with
his drone strikes. Well, maybe after the Coup d'etat.

You know the old saying "there are two sides to every story."

My problem is that you guys are too easy.

"Just when I thought I was getting out, they pull me back in."

Yes, this country is full of people who are Full of Shit. Shall I count
the ways? Cill them all! C...I...L...L Kill my landlord! Bwahhahahaha!

sgg

the beginning of a journey starts but with a single step

I'm a little concerned about your state of mind last night, or in the wee hours of Sunday morning.

You seemed to be bouncing off the walls and have a bit more spite and irrationality in your posts than usual.

I'm not going to accuse you of anything, or even tell you that you shouldn't be doing it. I'm not one of "those" types of people who finally fix themselves and then start judging other people who suffer from the same thing after the fact.

What I will do, however, is offer you somebody to talk to about it if you need to. I work a lot of nights, so I wouldn't be here all the time, but I'm off a lot of nights as well and do frequent this site quite a bit when I'm not working.

Either way, I wish you luck, brother.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The phrase "off his meds" popped into my head.
But since that phrase was invented by the makers of psychotropic Homicide-inducing drugs to divert attention from their actual cause, I must assume he is ON his drugs.

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