This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
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Quote:It is not awesome that Trump hasn't started a war. He'd have to persuade the Pentagon and they won't fight unless he explains why and he hasn't been able to. You do remember his Fire and Fury tirade? That had no effect on the Pentagon. And North Korea didn't believe him, either. So nothing happened, despite North Korea NOT doing what Trump demanded, even after the meeting in Singapore. Trump has forgotten what he wanted from Kim.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SGG seemed to want to discuss this ...
Signym, while you are wrapped inside your abstractions about "robust solutions" to the "people's loss of agency" ...Quote:Well, this IS a discussion-board! It IS possible to discuss multiple topics at once, is it not? But I wouldn't have suggested continuing that particular discussion on this particular thread. Anyway, I'm still interested in discussing this topic. This constant bagging on Trump is tiresome ... for example, one positive thing I can say about Trump is that he hasn't started any new wars so far, and for a USA President that's pretty awesome, considering our history!
Trump's right hand man signed a contract for his personal "government-mandated wealth redistribution plan". And the topic is "Why Trump is a Scumbag".
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Here is an example where Trump does remember accurately what he wants from one month to the next:
Trump's nomination of Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court deserves special attention. We know he’s starkly, extremely, anti-labor — way to the right of the mainstream, and well to the right even of most Republicans.
The best-known example of his radically anti-worker views is his argument that SeaWorld shouldn’t face any liability after a captive killer whale killed one of its workers, because the victim should have known the risks when she took the job. But there’s much more anti-labor extremism in his record.
But why would Trump, the self-proclaimed champion of American workers, choose someone like that? Why would he do all the things he’s doing to hurt the very people who gave him the White House?
I don’t know the answer, but I do think that the conventional explanation — that Trump, who is both lazy and supremely ignorant about policy details, was unwittingly captured by G.O.P. orthodoxy — both underestimates the president and makes him seem nicer than he is.
Watching Trump in action, it’s hard to escape the impression that he knows very well that he’s inflicting punishment on his own base. He’s a man who likes to humiliate others, in ways great and small. My guess is that he actually takes pleasure in watching his supporters follow him even as be betrays them.
In fact, sometimes his contempt for his working-class base comes right out into the open. Remember “I love the poorly educated”? Remember his boast that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters because they are stupid?
Anyway, whatever his motivations, Trump in action is the opposite of populist.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:OK. "Serve it's people", What does that mean. Who are "It's people"? Can you provide examples of what "serve" means? (I suggest that we continue this elsewhere.)
So, looked at this from a different perspective, perhaps the question can be re-framed as What is the proper role of government? - SIGNY
The role of government is to serve it's people.- SGG
Quote:Yes, that is one example. But when it comes to "What are America's BIGGEST problems?, is that really the biggest one that you can think of? Because the "zero tolerance" problem affects - as far as I can tell- NON-Americans. While "global climate shift", "debt", and "wealth gap" certainly spring to mind as important problems that affect AMERICANS.
How I got to that question goes like this>>> Sometimes, the government winds up trying to solve a problem that it itself created.- SIGNY
You mean like that whole "Zero Tolerance" debacle. - SGG
Quote:Have you not looked at the many historic, data-based charts that I posted for SECOND, like this one?
For example, the current wealth gap. That wealth gap has been getting steadily larger and larger no matter who is in office.- SIGNY
That is not so. The gap seems to widen more when Republicans are in charge.- SGG
Some of the biggest growth in inequality occurred under Democratic Presidents. Also, if you look at the GINI (inequality) index of each state, three of the top five worst inequality occurs in Dem states (CA, CT, NY) and some of the most equal are Republican states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient
Quote:I look at the net effect. Did Dems create more equal GINI indexes? Not that I can see.
Taxes, tariffs, the demolition of established law and institutions, etc. You know this. - SGG
Quote:It sounds to me like you're assuming that if Trump goes, corruption just somehow magically stops? Don't you think that's sounds a bit ...er ... limited?
I think these are both very large questions, and also very interesting ones that deserve a lot of thoughtful discussion. They are so multi-faceted, as each question has entire OTHER questions attached to them, it would be fascinating to go down some of these bunny-trails with other people.- SGG
I don't know what to say, except that this subset within the Community heading was built for just that...discussion. All within the parameters set by the thread topic. Agreed. Let's discuss the role of government as affected by the current administration. I think that would certainly be interesting.- SGG
But, sure! Let's discuss this in another thread!
What are American's biggest problems .... under the Trump administration ... and how can we solve them"
Where shall we discuss this? Just create the thread, point the way, and I'll be there!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:It sounds to me like you are assuming that the Federal Government is in control of America. That was never true. Signym, whatever problems you list for America, those problems are less urgent for the Americans with more money and more power than the Feds. I’m certain that the top 1% or 2% have almost none of the problems on whatever list you might create.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It sounds to me like you're assuming that if Trump goes, corruption just somehow magically stops? Don't you think that's sounds a bit ...er ... limited?
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
https://dqydj.com/net-worth-brackets-wealth-brackets-one-percent/
The Americans that have the power to solve Signym's problem list are the same Americans who have almost none of those problems. They don’t have much motivation to solve other Americans’ problems.
Do you see the problem about solving American problems when the most powerful group of Americans, more powerful than the Feds, have no legal obligation nor personal need & desire to solve them?
Net result: nothing solved on Signym’s list of hypothetical American problems.
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It sounds to me like you are assuming that the Federal Government is in control of America. That was never true. Signym, whatever problems you list for America, those problems are less urgent for the Americans with more money and more power than the Feds. I’m certain that the top 1% or 2% have almost none of the problems on whatever list you might create.
This is likely the most true thing Second posted here.
Not really sure what the motive of telling anybody that is though, other than to gloat about how much money and power he has.
All hail our 1% Overlords.
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by THG:
You've had it explained to you countless times, comrade. - RF
Yes yes yes, I was about to say the same thing and did so about her, kiki and others trying to get us to explain things over and over as though it hasn't been explained umpteen times already.
It's why I am posting more and more news videos instead of writing about it. Let them argue with whats being reported and those reporting it instead of me. It's also why I am choosing more and more to respond to those who post facts instead of those who troll them. - T
Agreed - they're just here to agitate. It's not easy all the time, but IGNORE is a step in the right direction.
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Quote:America is run more like a Kingdom than a Democracy, but the King is far weaker than the 6 million in the American nobility, the Overlords. It is not a very exclusive group. You can buy your way into the lowest rung of the nobility with as little as $3,000,000 net worth.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It sounds to me like you are assuming that the Federal Government is in control of America. That was never true. Signym, whatever problems you list for America, those problems are less urgent for the Americans with more money and more power than the Feds. I’m certain that the top 1% or 2% have almost none of the problems on whatever list you might create.
This is likely the most true thing Second posted here.
Not really sure what the motive of telling anybody that is though, other than to gloat about how much money and power he has.
All hail our 1% Overlords.
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
When America has an energetic King, a President such as FDR, he will keep his powerful nobility in their proper place. For example, FDR replaced Henry Ford because he would not convert his factories over to War Production. Henry Ford the Second was released from military service to became the new CEO of Ford, replacing his grandfather. If the American nobility is to be kept more or less in its proper place, the President has to guillotine the stubborn ones. The rest will then take instruction. But Trump is not a strong president. The rich can do whatever they please and Trump won't even pretend to stop them.
He helps the American nobility to cheat on taxes, as he helps himself. The IRS is auditing the fewest Americans since 2002. The nobility, the rich Americans, love that about Trump.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/380760-the-irs-is-auditing-fewest-am
ericans-since-2002
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Quote:If the last time that we had an "energetic" king was FDR, then we've had a whole lot of compliant Presidents (of both parties) since then, and Trump is just another in a long line of weaklings.
America is run more like a Kingdom than a Democracy, but the King is far weaker than the 6 million in the American nobility, the Overlords. It is not a very exclusive group. You can buy your way into the lowest rung of the nobility with as little as $3,000,000 net worth.
When America has an energetic King, a President such as FDR, he will keep his powerful nobility in their proper place. For example, FDR replaced Henry Ford because he would not convert his factories over to War Production. Henry Ford the Second was released from military service to became the new CEO of Ford, replacing his grandfather. If the American nobility is to be kept more or less in its proper place, the President has to guillotine the stubborn ones. The rest will then take instruction. But Trump is not a strong president. The rich can do whatever they please and Trump won't even pretend to stop them.
But that still leaves us with the question about America's biggest problems, under Trump. If WE .... the peons .... can't figure that out for ourselves, then the lords and lordlings will continue to have their way. This is a discussion that you, SECOND, seem absolutely determined that none shall have! Every time it comes up, you try to thwart it.
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So, what is so hard about brainstorming a question. Haven't you ever been in a brainstorming session before? For THIS question ("biggest problems for Americans under Trump") first, we define the problem ... for example, I'm sure there will be a lot of discussion about "what is an American?" and whether or not we should restrict the list to Americans, or not. Then we start simply developing an unrestricted list of problems, where everyone just adds "problems" to the list as they think of them...
YOU (SECOND) for example might list
Pussy-grabber
Racism
Money-grabber
THUGR might list
RUSSIA!!!
CC might list
Immigration policies
Russian connections
Social policies (re-igniting prejudice against gays)
etc ....
When we have all added everything we each think are the biggest problems, we go through and discuss them one by one to see if they really rank on the "biggest" list, if they should be crossed off, or if a different problem should be added. Retention on the "biggest" list should be by EVIDENCE: preferably NUMBERS of people affected, or some logic which demonstrates that although only a small number of people are DIRECTLY affected everyone is indirectly affected (for example, there were relatively a small number of slaves in the USA, but the entire economy of the south was affected by reducing the value of labor.) Once we have it narrowed down to (say) the top 10, then we can start on ways to solve them, following the same "list" procedure.
It's not rocket science. In fact, it's an easy procedure, it just takes a lot of time. Also, it takes "active listening", lots of questions, and goodwill... no trolling. But it's extremely valuable as a way to promote better understanding between people, because each person has to explain their POV in detail WHY they think that their POV makes sense. Sometimes, answers comes out that surprise everyone, even the person speaking. It can even be lots of fun! I hope that since the question is rather abstract, there shouldn't be a huge emotional investment in the answers.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Here's my contribution:
America's biggest problem, humanity's biggest problem, and the world's biggest problem is nuclear war. We could end up at 'game over' in minutes. We need to solve that.
It's second biggest problem is nuclear power. We have two festering sores that will leak radiation to the end of human history unless we figure out what to do with them, and apparently, we don't care if we get more. Along with that, we haven't figured out what to do with the waste from any of the 460 existing power plants and 60 under construction. Not that this is all under our control, but the consequences visit us nevertheless.
I have others I would like to mention, but that'll have to be later.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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I'd include nuclear war as a top problem, too. Not only is it a dire consequence, it would affect every single American, rich or poor.
Climate change ... I'd put that in my list of problems that will affect most Americans negatively, and is already affecting many Americans negatively. Also, it's a problem destined to get worse with time, and not better. In fact, MOST environmental problems trend this way.
I would say the "wealth gap", but that is just a symptom of deeper problems IMHO, so I'd put that one off for a while.
A non-robust economy. Too centralized, too parasitized, too corrupt, too divergent, and too fragile to survive even a moderate shock.
A fractured society consisting of rampant individuals. It's impossible to address ANY of our problems if we refuse to work together and, in fact, refuse to to recognize that "society" exists ... or even should exist ... where we all (or nearly all) have some things in common.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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