Season 4 opinions?
POSTED BY: RhymePhile
UPDATED: Saturday, June 25, 2005 17:25
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Not particularly, no. And remember that's from the episode Eternity in which the 'perfect happiness' is drug-induced.
Here are a bunch of Angelus lines from Soulless (transcript from buffy-vs-angel.com).
"Angel-schmangel."
"You’re just dying to know about the
big beastie."
"I bet he loves to rub that shiny bald head against her soft milky skin. Mmmm… good."
"Or here’s an oldy but a goody…"
"That twerp really gives me the creeps."
"Now there’s a rack to write home about."
"All that bumpin’ and grindin’"
"I hear you at night in your room with Gunn. The things you say… I’m lying there, listening, hands under the covers… I can’t help myself. It’s so… gripping."
"Did you bring me back a souvenir? Maybe a stray
baby toe?"
"I think I’ll start with the twins. I just love a woman with nice ripe thighs."
Does that sound anything at all like the Angelus they've described in the past? It doesn't to me. Look at the psychological torment he visited on Buffy and co in Buffy S2 - this kind of schoolboy baiting doesn't even come close.
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Well be that as it may, I still say that those episodes are the best part of season 4.
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Amen on the religious right rant. I was also raised Southern Baptist and have been turned off by their "you're either with us or are consumed by the devil" stance on things.
I read an editorial in the LA Times last week where a religious, pro-life woman talked about Rowe v. Wade taking away her rights and freedoms, which I thought was a very strange take on things because of Rowe v. Wade, she has the freedom choose to not have an abortion, without forcing the rest of the country to adopt her values but she sees her point of view as the only one that people can have.
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I was never as interested in Angel as Buffy and season 4 highlights why. Season 4 was too serious.
It doesn't suprise me that season 4 coincides with season 7 on Buffy, which was also too serious. One of the things that I liked about the earlier Buffy seasons was seriousness mixed in with campy fun. I think that season 3 was really the last season for that mix.
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Amen on the religious right rant. I was also raised Southern Baptist and as I grew up became more and more turned off by their "you're either with us or are consumed by the devil and need to either be brought over to our way of thinking or eliminated as threat to the kingdom of God" stance on things 
. Their idea of freedom is to have everyone think like they do and to have the government enshrine their values into law, so that nobody who disagrees with them can act out on their dissenting views without being punished for it. For example, with abortion, it's not good enough that they have the right to choose not to have an abortion based on their beliefs about life. Everyone who disagrees with them on this issue must be either brought over to their way of thinking or denied the right to have one 
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I think you've posted in the wrong thread...
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Long thread.
To me the big story here (only briefly touched upon) was that Connor was never fooled by Jasmine. Since he never felt anything, he either didn't know the difference or didn't care about Jasmine's lack of beauty (to hime). Poor kid.
I don't understand the dislike some have taken to Connor. I loved his character - I always thought Vincent did a good job with the role, and I liked the way he spoke and interacted with the rest of the gang. Whiny? Not to me. He was just troubled, and in fact going slowly insane, where he ended up the the S4 closer.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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I always liked the dark and evil version of Connor. I'm glad he never quite reconciled (in Season 4) with Angel until the catastrophic events of the end of the season with the shift in power that leads into Season 5.
I never thought he was whiny per se; I enjoyed how he often got the upper hand with the adults despite all that Angel did to try to help his son. And I always liked how Gunn was constantly annoyed with the kid. He seemed like he was wishing to give Connor one good smack in the head.
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-- Phil Sebben, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
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The biggest problem I have with Connor is that he's a continuity nightmare.
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I too feel that S4 is the worst season of Angel. In fact, I think it is the worst season of either Angel or Buffy. I just felt as if someone took a bunch of characters I loved and just started writing in a manner that would have as much drama and action as they could get without any regard to the story. There was too much going on that it was difficult to care about Conner, Cordy, or even poor Wesley.
My sister and I always refer to this season as "the horror that is...angel season 4."
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