This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
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Quote:Signym, when you write using the words "ours" or "America's interests" there is nobody at fff.net that believes, except maybe 1kiki logging in from a desk near yours somewhere East of Moscow and maybe that dumbass, white-trash, whiner/hick/alcoholic 6ixStringJack, that you are thinking of anything but Russia's interests. Except Russia does not have any interests. It is Putin that has interests. Stalin had interests. Khrushchev had interests. Russia's interests change whenever the top man changes. In America, that is not how it works, but Trump is trying to change that. There are 333,000,000 different interests. When you throw them all together, America talks of "America's interest", but it is really hundreds of millions, not at all like Russia. And especially not at all like Trump thinks America's interests should be identical to Trump's interests. That is the strong man system, the Russian system, the Chinese system, the North Korean system.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And, as predicted:
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So, since you brought up American's interests, maybe NOW is the time to tell me what our interests are that have been crossed?? Not Canada's, not Britain's, not the EU's .... not Mexico's, not Syria's, not Ukraine's .... ours.
I'll bet you that you can't.
I predict that you will, once again, evade explaining an actual basis for your giant temper tantrum, and with nary a pause for reflection will continue to stomp your feet and bang your head against the floor and troll.
Because that's what adults do in a real world discussion board.
Because there are 333,000,000 interests in America, they don't want Trump to throw away all those alliances with the UK, Canada, Nato, Europe, etc. that millions of Americans made decades before Trump came along and decided he would remake everything as he pleased. And they don't want all those interests suddenly replaced by Putin's interests for Russia. What is so special about Russia that it should outweigh the entire rest of the world?
Russia is a crappy country poorly governed. Huge area, 144 million population, but economic activity less than Texas, where I am from. If you want to bring up Russia's nukes and rockets, Texas builds all American bombs at Pantex, in the Texas Panhandle. Texas launches rockets. Builds them, too. Has a manned space program. Texas produces more oil and natural gas than Russia.
If Trump wants to shove up the ass of all Americans a new American interest replacing all previous ones, he should make it Texas, not Russia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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'Better Than Super': Russia Reacts To Trump-Putin Summit In Helsinki
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/629796887/better-than-super-russia-reac
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, a master of diplomatic verbosity and sardonic barbs, summed up the results of the Helsinki summit in just three exuberant words: "better than super."
After four years of getting short shrift by his American counterparts, Russian President Vladimir Putin was standing side by side with President Trump, who lavished him with the words of praise, respect and awe normally only heard on Russian state television.
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Well sed, 2nd.
A big part uv Trump making past inauguration day and all the way to now iz the ignorans andor deplorablness uv hiz voterz. The GoPs in charge are so focused on getting re-elected that they cant see where Trump iz taking the US.
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And, as predicted:
Quote:NICE TROLLING, SECOND.
So, since you brought up American's interests, maybe NOW is the time to tell me what our interests are that have been crossed?? Not Canada's, not Britain's, not the EU's .... not Mexico's, not Syria's, not Ukraine's .... ours.
I'll bet you that you can't.
I predict that you will, once again, evade explaining an actual basis for your giant temper tantrum, and with nary a pause for reflection will continue to stomp your feet and bang your head against the floor and troll.
Because that's what adults do in a real world discussion board.- SIGNY
Signym, when you write using the words "ours" or "America's interests" there is nobody at fff.net that believes, except maybe 1kiki logging in from a desk near yours somewhere East of Moscow and maybe that dumbass, white-trash, whiner/hick/alcoholic 6ixStringJack, that you are thinking of anything but Russia's interests. Except Russia does not have any interests. - SECOND
Yanno, when you write using the words "ours" or "America's interests" there is nobody at fff.net that believes that you are thinking about AMERICA's interests. Because your mind seems to get boggled just on the idea that "Americans" ... as a whole ... might actually have common interests and common needs. "Americans" ... it's a concept that your mind seems incapable of grasping. Which is kind of funny, because you sure can identify everyone else's interests EXCEPT "Americans'": The poor illegal immigrant, the poor EU bureaucrat, the poor British spy, the poor deep stater.
What a true democratic patriot!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Signym, you are trying to use rhetorical judo, but it doesn't work because you are looking at the world from Putin's or Trump's viewpoint, where the strongman at the top is there only to express his country's best interests. It is such a false way to look at the world. That is what a Putin or a Trump would like you to believe and those two actually make that claim for their motivation but it has not worked out to the advantage of the Russian people. Not working for America, either.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And, as predicted:Quote:NICE TROLLING, SECOND.
So, since you brought up American's interests, maybe NOW is the time to tell me what our interests are that have been crossed?? Not Canada's, not Britain's, not the EU's .... not Mexico's, not Syria's, not Ukraine's .... ours.
I'll bet you that you can't.
I predict that you will, once again, evade explaining an actual basis for your giant temper tantrum, and with nary a pause for reflection will continue to stomp your feet and bang your head against the floor and troll.
Because that's what adults do in a real world discussion board.- SIGNY
Signym, when you write using the words "ours" or "America's interests" there is nobody at fff.net that believes, except maybe 1kiki logging in from a desk near yours somewhere East of Moscow and maybe that dumbass, white-trash, whiner/hick/alcoholic 6ixStringJack, that you are thinking of anything but Russia's interests. Except Russia does not have any interests. - SECOND
Yanno, when you write using the words "ours" or "America's interests" there is nobody at fff.net that believes that you are thinking about AMERICA's interests. Because your mind seems to get boggled just on the idea that "Americans" ... as a whole ... might actually have common interests and common needs. "Americans" ... it's a concept that your mind seems incapable of grasping. Which is kind of funny, because you sure can identify everyone else's interests EXCEPT "Americans'": The poor illegal immigrant, the poor EU bureaucrat, the poor British spy, the poor deep stater.
What a true democratic patriot!
America had other strongmen for President. They made arbitrary decisions to take Cuba, the Philippines, Iraq, Vietnam, Panama, even the Moon. Remember how important it was for Americans to conquer space and then suddenly it wasn't? But the America people have no interest in these projects and the next Presidents cancelled them. If any of these projects were in "America's Interest", rather than a particular President's hobby horse, America would still be running those places.
What Putin and Russia are doing is completely arbitrary and personally based on the caprice of Putin, not what Russians might need. I don't think Trump has a direction other than wealth for himself and personal grandeur. He has only impulses that change frequently. For now Trump follows whatever Putin is doing. When Trump's attention was on North Korea, Trump's impulses followed strongman Kim, who was for a few weeks the most wonderful person in the world for Trump. Kim was Trump's role model of a strongman. Then Trump switched back to strongman Putin. But when the GOP hierarchy calls, Trump switches to that for the day. There is no constant direction for Trump toward "America's Interest".
If Putin dies before this Xmas, the next Russian strongman will go off in another arbitrary direction. But his starting point will be wherever Putin was when he died. Suddenly Trump will be without a compass to guide himself. Who knows what he will align himself with? He doesn't even know. I doubt Trump is aware of anything except what is happening to himself and who is praising him. What is on FOX News, what is Xi Jinping's latest complement for how beautiful Trump is? Trump really needs help in choos
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And, as predicted:
Quote:SECOND< you are trying to use psychological judo, but it doesn't work because EVERYONE remembers your screeds in which your circle of disdain and contempt expanded from Texas Republicans to Republicans to Trump voters to anyone who wasn't part of the 1%. You TALK about "American interests" and you PRETEND like it means something to you, but in reality your psyche resists the idea and you can't even seem to grasp the concept that there really is a category called "Americans" and that they might... actually .... have communal needs and interests.
So, since you brought up American's interests, maybe NOW is the time to tell me what our interests are that have been crossed?? Not Canada's, not Britain's, not the EU's .... not Mexico's, not Syria's, not Ukraine's .... ours.
I'll bet you that you can't.
I predict that you will, once again, evade explaining an actual basis for your giant temper tantrum, and with nary a pause for reflection will continue to stomp your feet and bang your head against the floor and troll.
Because that's what adults do in a real world discussion board.- SIGNY
Signym, you are trying to use rhetorical judo, but it doesn't work because you are looking at the world from Putin's or Trump's viewpoint, where the strongman at the top is there only to express his country's best interests. - SECOND
So, CAN you explain American interests???
HERE'S A HINT: If, in your explanation of "American" interests you start out by referencing ANY OTHER entity or person besides America and the American people .... NATO, Canada, Putin, the poor illegal immigrant, Ukraine, Syria, "free trade", LGTBQ, etc .... then clearly you have NOT YET managed to grasp the concept of "America", "Americans", or "American interests".
So, yet again: WHAT ARE THOSE AMERICAN INTERESTS THAT YOU KEEP BELLYACHING ABOUT? You keep using them as a justification for being a troll, but you... can't... quite... seem.to.even.explain what they are. Which I personally find damn peculiar for someone who claims to be so concerned about them!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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I should summarize for Signym: a particular American can have an American interest he follows for life, doing very well for himself. Then there are the vast majority, those unhappy Americans that never had a particular goal and because of that don't do well in a country that doesn't provide them with a goal. I don't believe there has been a real nationwide "American Interest" because it keeps changing arbitrarily with each new President's different personality. With Trump, the "American Interest" he is promoting gets ridiculously arbitrary, changing with his daily moods. Trump is Malcolm Reynolds: "I got no answers for you, Inara. I got no rudder. Wind blows northerly, I go north. That's who I am. Maybe that ain't a man to lead but they have to follow so you wanna tear me down do it inside your own mind."
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Quote:Then please, don't ever reference it again! Ever!
I should summarize for Signym: a particular American can have an American interest he follows for life, doing very well for himself. Then there are the vast majority, those unhappy Americans that never had a particular goal and because of that don't do well in a country that doesn't provide them with a goal. I don't believe there has been a real nationwide "American Interest"...
The minute you start yapping about "American interests" just give yourself a little mental zap, and zip your fucking lip (or, fingers as it were) m'kay?
BTW, I happen to believe that there ARE American interests ... needs and goals which tie MOST Americans together, that ONLY the American government can further. So I guess that makes me a better American than you. Altho that's a ridiculously low bar, seeing as how "America" is a concept that's meaningless to you.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:It is as if you have never heard of states such as Texas. Unlike the Federal government, the states have American interests that don't change arbitrarily with each new President. For example of arbitrary: When Bush was President, he had a plan to end Social Security. Obama had a different plan because he had affection for FDR's original plan. Bush was disaffected because he was following Herbert Hoover, who hated Social Security as a step toward Communism. What is the actual "America's Interest" in Social Security? FDR or Hoover? With Trump, nobody knows which side of S.S. he is on. It changes according to who last talked to him.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The minute you start yapping about "American interests" just give yourself a little mental zap, and zip your fucking lip (or, fingers as it were) m'kay?
BTW, I happen to believe that there ARE American interests ... needs and goals which tie MOST Americans together, that ONLY the American government can further. So I guess that makes me a better American than you. Altho that's a ridiculously low bar, seeing as how "America" is a concept that's meaningless to you.
www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/04/07/how-george-w-bush-lost-pe
rsonal-accounts-for-social-security/#f3234ee494dd
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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