speaking of the news
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 11, 2018 09:08
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today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
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I think the citizens of the United States of America should be. He's trashed your allies and is now trying to be friends with a dictator that first started in war of insults.
Policies that rip children away from their families at the border between Mexico and the US. Detaining then somehow not knowing where I think over 1,000 of these children went and doesn't seem to care.
Blames that particular policy on the Democrats.
Came back from Singapore saying Kim is a smart, tough guy, who has his people listening to every word he says. Then follows that statement up with saying that he would like his own people to do that.
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Quote:Not long ago I wandered by a TV that had CNN on. They had BREAKING NEWS: something happened 50 years before, it was an Anniversary.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
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"I think the citizens of the United States of America should be. He's trashed your allies"
I don't think well of these allegiances. I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish besides benefiting transnational corporations and ganging up on smaller, poorer nations, like Libya and Syria. In addition, I don't think it's in the US's interest to be a global 'policeman' and carry the bulk of military spending.
Perhaps you can tell me what's good about these allegiances.
"and is now trying to be friends with a dictator that first started in war of insults."
To tell the truth, the last few weeks I've been putting a ton of hours into work. And I haven't kept track of which person we're supposed to be hating now, who's on our constantly spinning roulette wheel of hate. Who are you referring to? Assad? Putin? Kim? The Ayatollah? Someone else?
"Policies that rip children away from their families at the border between Mexico and the US. Detaining then somehow not knowing where I think over 1,000 of these children went and doesn't seem to care."
Let's examine Canadian law and policy.
"(The) 2018 budget includes $173-million for greater security along the Canada-U.S. border and for the quicker processing of asylum claimants so that they can be deported in a timely fashion if need be. The money is badly needed: According to Reuters, nearly nine in 10 refugee hearings were not held within the required 60-day time frame last December, because of a backlog."
And Canada does have laws to prosecute and punish illegal border crossing. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/citizenship-pathways/canada.php "The maximum penalty for a person who commits such a general offense as entering the country unlawfully or unlawfully overstaying a visa is a fine of Can$50,000 and imprisonment for two years ..."
Canadians aren't the warm, welcoming type when it comes to illegal immigrants into their own country. "March 20, 2017, 3:18 PM Nearly half of Canadians support “increasing the deportation of people living in Canada illegally,” according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Monday. The same share said they supported sending migrants that crossed from the United States right back over the border, while just 36 percent said Canada should accept them and let them apply for refugee status."
Just as the flood of immigrants into Europe sparked a nationalistic, anti-immigrant reaction in the EU, Trudeau announced his own crackdown policy in Canada. "After reminding the world that Canada is “a country of laws,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the nation will no longer be ignoring refugees who enter the country illegally. Faced with a rash of border crossings from the U.S. and growing criticism of his quixotic approach to border control, Trudeau’s decision marks a major turning-point from his campaign. Evidently, Trudeau is recognizing what any head of state who campaigns for radically loose immigration policies must at some point: Opening borders poses serious problems, both practical and political."
Canada has been well-protected from large-scale illegal immigration, and from its comfy situation has been able to afford a passive benevolence. But with just the minuscule (by comparison to the US) up-tick, Canada has turned into a scrooge.
"Came back from Singapore saying Kim is a smart, tough guy, who has his people listening to every word he says. Then follows that statement up with saying that he would like his own people to do that."
So? Why do you care what Trump says? I know I don't. His words are meaningless.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So? Why do you care what Trump says? I know I don't. His words are meaningless.
Um, that's one of the problems. No one can trust or wants to listen to anything our president says.
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If the news media would stop reporting on that exclusively, maybe we'd learn something meaningful. B/c no matter what Trump SAYS, what counts is what he DOES. And he does plenty. Which is going uncovered.
As for Trump, either what he 'says' is a negotiation tactic to keep the other side guessing; or it's a ruse to bamboozle the media - and like a really dumb but energetic dog, the media is only too happy to run after everything Trump throws.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
That's what I keep saying. Fucking Dem-Bots around here are too stupid to wrap their minds around that though.
I can't be bothered with it. Got too much to do in real life.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If the news media would stop reporting on that exclusively, maybe we'd learn something meaningful. B/c no matter what Trump SAYS, what counts is what he DOES. And he does plenty. Which is going uncovered.
As for Trump, either what he 'says' is a negotiation tactic to keep the other side guessing; or it's a ruse to bamboozle the media - and like a really dumb but energetic dog, the media is only too happy to run after everything Trump throws.
Some of the media, yes. Definitely Fox & Co. Sorry, he's thought of as "the most powerful man in the world" so what he says does matter. Maybe not to you, but to much of the world it does so it is important. I agree that some of the stuff reported about Trump is as stupid as he is - zero sum. Lesson learned: MSM is only useful for what "What happened today" a fire, a shooting, stocks up/down... stuff like that. The why of things and the shady crooked crap Trump has been up to? You generally have to look elsewhere for that. There's a lot of cross pollination going on. Some small news sites re-report what the better ones report, on and on. The information is out there, just depends on whether people give a sh*t to look for it. I guarantee Trump supporters just don't care - that's their default setting.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fucking Dem-Bots around here are too stupid to wrap their minds around that though.
You'd be right except that you're completely wrong. The "Fucking dem bots" (people I assume you mistakenly call that) have been right about everything around here. Try paying attention. If you were so interested in, "It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice" you'd be cheering Mueller on, because that's exactly what he's doing - finding out what went on. And not, "Oh, boo hop, Hillary lost, how'd that happen?" I bet no one here cares about her that much. More wanting to know how deep Russian influences went in the election and just how big a pile Trump is (our president).
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fucking Dem-Bots around here are too stupid to wrap their minds around that though.
You'd be right except that you're completely wrong. The "Fucking dem bots" (people I assume you mistakenly call that) have been right about everything around here. Try paying attention. If you were so interested in, "It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice" you'd be cheering Mueller on, because that's exactly what he's doing - finding out what went on. And not, "Oh, boo hop, Hillary lost, how'd that happen?" I bet no one here cares about her that much. More wanting to know how deep Russian influences went in the election and just how big a pile Trump is (our president).
I'm glad investigations are happening. Great. As I said, lock them all up on both sides.
I'm not talking about Hillary. What I mean about what's going on under the radar is things that are completely and totally unrelated to Trump or Russia.
The media has been so obsessed with Trump that I think everyone is looking at things that don't really matter and nobody is watching stuff that is going to matter much more down the road.
David Copperfield is in the house, and Trump is his biggest prop.
He's a useful idiot. Just like most of the rest of the people are. And, to be fair, the Fucking Trump-Bots are just as bad as the fucking Dem-Bots.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
If the news media would stop reporting on that exclusively, maybe we'd learn something meaningful. B/c no matter what Trump SAYS, what counts is what he DOES. And he does plenty. Which is going uncovered.
As for Trump, either what he 'says' is a negotiation tactic to keep the other side guessing; or it's a ruse to bamboozle the media - and like a really dumb but energetic dog, the media is only too happy to run after everything Trump throws.
Some of the media, yes. Definitely Fox & Co. Sorry, he's thought of as "the most powerful man in the world" so what he says does matter. Maybe not to you, but to much of the world it does so it is important. I agree that some of the stuff reported about Trump is as stupid as he is - zero sum. Lesson learned: MSM is only useful for what "What happened today" a fire, a shooting, stocks up/down... stuff like that. The why of things and the shady crooked crap Trump has been up to? You generally have to look elsewhere for that. There's a lot of cross pollination going on. Some small news sites re-report what the better ones report, on and on. The information is out there, just depends on whether people give a sh*t to look for it. I guarantee Trump supporters just don't care - that's their default setting.
1kiki's hypocracy runs very deep and complete G. Remember all her concerns about global warming, climate change. Then Trump chooses a climate denier who’s suing the EPA to run it. His choice couldn’t be worse for the global environment. Whats 1kiki do? She spends all her time defending him.
It's the same thing with the consumer protection agency. What happened to 1kiki and sig's concerns about the little guy? We both know they really don't give a shit. With those two it's about trolling America. Only about putting forth Putin's agenda. Trumps good for them because he is bad for America.
Yep G, comrades 1kiki and sig's hypocracy runs deep and is complete.
T
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Quote:Maybe you didn't notice this because the media didn't rub your nose in it a thousand times?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
President Donald Trump on Saturday repeated his false assertion that Democrats were responsible for his administration’s policy of separating migrant families apprehended at the border, sticking to a weeks long refusal to publicly accept responsibility for a widely condemned practice that has become a symbol of his crackdown on illegal immigration.
“Democrats can fix their forced family breakup at the Border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!” Trump said in a morning post on Twitter.
In fact, there is no law that requires families to be separated at the border. It is the Trump administration’s decision this year to prosecute all unlawful immigrants as criminals that has forced the breakup of families.
www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-trump-again-falsely-
blames-democrats-for-his-separation-policy-3/
Or maybe this never sunk into 1kiki's thick skull because it wasn't repeated a million times in the last two years? Donald Trump’s tax plan could land America $10 trillion deeper in debt.
www.brookings.edu/opinions/donald-trumps-tax-plan-could-land-america-1
0-trillion-deeper-in-debt/
As soon as a number is mentioned in a news story, whether million/billion/trillion, brains shutdown. But that's not really news, is it? And that is why the rich can slowly steal trillions over ten years from the US Treasury: rich brains can handle the numbers, while most people can't or won't think about it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey. I've got a novel idea to keep kids from being separated from their parents.
Stop trying to enter the country illegally.
It ain't rocket science people.
That being said, just make it impossible to get government benefits or work a job without having a valid social security number and this whole issue becomes superfluous anyhow.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The thing about stupid people is that they don't know everyone else recognizes them as being stupid. They don't know because they are to stupid.
T
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Quote:I've got a novel idea: Why won't Trump admit that he is separating families? Why does he have to deny his accomplishment? But far more interesting than families being arrested at the border, that thing about Trump and other wealthy Americans (I include myself) stealing $10 trillion from the US Treasury over the next decade ought to be Trump's proudest accomplishment. He ought to be loudly taking personal credit for that. I wonder why he does not?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey. I've got a novel idea to keep kids from being separated from their parents.
Stop trying to enter the country illegally.
It ain't rocket science people.
That being said, just make it impossible to get government benefits or work a job without having a valid social security number and this whole issue becomes superfluous anyhow.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Does it really need to be mentioned that if Democrats take control of Congress and the White House in the next ten years they will NOT be able to stop the theft of money from the US Treasury unless the Democrats have 67 Senators? Any less than 67 and the Republicans in Congress will block a change in the tax code stopping the theft by Trump. In ten years, Trump will still be very happy with his low taxes. But Trump's children will be happier if Trump dies sooner because he is worth more to them dead than alive.
www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2017/12/21/final-tax-bill-includes-
huge-estate-tax-win-for-the-rich-the-22-4-million-exemption/#3bb616d71d54
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I've got a novel idea: Why won't Trump admit that he is separating families? Why does he have to deny his accomplishment?
I don't know. If he did, then he should.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Maybe Trump should read this article?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I've got a novel idea: Why won't Trump admit that he is separating families? Why does he have to deny his accomplishment?
I don't know. If he did, then he should.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-09/u-s-budget-deficit-to-ballo
on-to-1-trillion-by-2020-cbo-says
The yearly deficit under Trump grows larger and larger. Spending will exceed revenue by $804 billion in 2018. In fiscal 2019, the deficit will reach $981 billion. In 2020, $1,008 billion. And it keeps increasing, with every year larger than the last. And this is assuming the best possible case, where the economy is growing by 3.3% per year, every year, for ten years. If there was a recession, the deficit would be many times more than a $trillion per year. For some reason, Trump is not bragging about his personal contributions to the deficit. And since Trump is not talking, the news media has no news on the deficit.
As always, I forgot to immediately mention that some of those billions in federal deficits will mean I end up richer than ever before. And if Trump crashes the economy and the stock market, I will buy land and stocks at a huge discount. If the trend continues, someday, me and the other top 1% will own 99% of America while the lower 99% of Americans own only 1% of America. For now the top 1% controls 38.6% of America's wealth. Give me enough time and that 38.6% can become 99%. I'd only have to triple my wealth while everyone in the lower 99% stays the same. I am confident that it can be done because I already tripled my wealth . . . several times in row.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/news/economy/inequality-record-top-1-p
ercent-wealth/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I don't know if I've seen a Trump-bot around here in a very long time. Who are you talking about?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fucking Dem-Bots around here are too stupid to wrap their minds around that though.
You'd be right except that you're completely wrong. The "Fucking dem bots" (people I assume you mistakenly call that) have been right about everything around here. Try paying attention. If you were so interested in, "It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice" you'd be cheering Mueller on, because that's exactly what he's doing - finding out what went on. And not, "Oh, boo hop, Hillary lost, how'd that happen?" I bet no one here cares about her that much. More wanting to know how deep Russian influences went in the election and just how big a pile Trump is (our president).
I'm glad investigations are happening. Great. As I said, lock them all up on both sides.
I'm not talking about Hillary. What I mean about what's going on under the radar is things that are completely and totally unrelated to Trump or Russia.
The media has been so obsessed with Trump that I think everyone is looking at things that don't really matter and nobody is watching stuff that is going to matter much more down the road.
David Copperfield is in the house, and Trump is his biggest prop.
He's a useful idiot. Just like most of the rest of the people are. And, to be fair, the Fucking Trump-Bots are just as bad as the fucking Dem-Bots.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Pot, meet kettle.
Originally posted by JJ:
The thing about stupid people is that they don't know everyone else recognizes them as being stupid. They don't know because they are to stupid.
T
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
Quote:I didn't read your post because, as usual, it was irrelevant. Because you are a troll. I get that, as does everyone else here.
Originally posted by SECONAL:
Maybe you didn't notice this because the media didn't rub your nose in it a thousand times?
CNN headlined OPINION, instead of relevant daily news. Then it sub-headlined ENTERTAINMENT.
That's fucked up, if you're looking to the media for news.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Today's CNN headline and sub-headline are, respectively: "Trump gets defensive about N. Korea summit" and "Featured Is this the year's scariest film?".
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:Do you feel this specific topic is related to The Memory Hole thread, or do you consider them absolutely separate?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Today's CNN headline and sub-headline are, respectively: "Trump gets defensive about N. Korea summit" and "Featured Is this the year's scariest film?".
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
today's CNN headline:
In a torrid week, Trump ripped US allies, challenged American values, and heaped praise on autocrats
In other words - BE AFRAID OF TRUMP!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!
In its next most prominent typeface was this -
11 ads that captured the '90s
It makes me wonder what's going on that we're not supposed to notice. Because I guarantee, this is not the second-most important information for today.
Quote:I didn't read your post because, as usual, it was irrelevant. Because you are a troll. I get that, as does everyone else here.
Originally posted by SECONAL:
Maybe you didn't notice this because the media didn't rub your nose in it a thousand times?
CNN headlined OPINION, instead of relevant daily news. Then it sub-headlined ENTERTAINMENT.
That's fucked up, if you're looking to the media for news.
I am a bit confused about why you would even imagine that CNN could be a source of news.
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Quote:I consider this a separate topic, directed at the assumption that the media is presenting us with actual news.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Do you feel this specific topic is related to The Memory Hole thread, or do you consider them absolutely separate?
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:The problem isn't limited to CNN. CNN just happened to be at the alphabetical top of my list. I'm going to follow it for a bit, to illustrate a consistent pattern. And assuming my schedule frees up soon, I intend to illustrate the problem with other 'sources' as well.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I am a bit confused about why you would even imagine that CNN could be a source of news.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:The problem isn't limited to CNN. CNN just happened to be at the alphabetical top of my list. I'm going to follow it for a bit, to illustrate a consistent pattern. And assuming my schedule frees up soon, I intend to illustrate the problem with other 'sources' as well.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I am a bit confused about why you would even imagine that CNN could be a source of news.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
It is unfortunate you didn't do this when Rupert was still owner of FNC, before the 2 Libtwits took over. I don't know, but I fear today it might not fare much better than the other Entertainment Shows that have "News" in the title.
It was exciting in the early days after algore invented the Internet and Google, with a free exchange and exposure of ideas and information, without filtering of news. But now to think certain websites are the only actual source of real News, it is a bit disheartening.
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I wasnt sure whether to post this in this thread, or one of those about GMOs or Big Pharma.
Was just watching Full Measure. They just wrapped up season 3 with a recap show of their favorite stories from the season.
They mentioned that they did many more stories about medical, Pharma, health, because they are not as heavily funded by Big Medicine as the other shows which do not do the stories.
I didn't get a clear vibe whether this was because they decline funding if editorial influence is attached, or if the funders just don't think many people watch the show.
I always enjoy the show, it has a refreshing perspective.
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If the news media would stop reporting on that exclusively, maybe we'd learn something meaningful. B/c no matter what Trump SAYS, what counts is what he DOES. And he does plenty. Which is going uncovered.
This is one area where we AGREE, well almost. Allow me to explain:
The media have lost their minds when it comes to Trump's twisted/evil
words, which I dare say are purposeful, and rarely report on his actions.
While he goes about rambling and speechafying, his cronies are going
around destroying the institutions that made this country function as a
world power. It's obvious to me that everything he says is the exact
opposite of what he really means.
His lies flow from his mouth like water, so much so, that the uninformed
couldn't care less. As long as they feel he "understands" their fears.
He's convinced them that only he can deliver them from the hordes of immigrants coming to replace them. Only he can make them relevant and hold
power. But it's not even about that so much, but he has them eating out of his hands. The media makes little to no effort in covering the most important aspects of his administration - it is to disrupt and destroy the remnants of our democracy.
Yes, I said the remnants...There is something for more sinister afoot, and they've done a piss-poor job in covering the dismantling of this country. Case in point, the federal judges being chosen (who are placed for life) and who may use their decision-making to further the ultra-right wing agenda. I don't think I need to spell it out, now do I. Then we have the immigration policy change that has the rabid dogs foaming at the mouth. Namely the cruel and inhuman treatment of the immigrant children. Pure fucking evil, and Gestapo-like. All that is left is the "gas chambers."
Where I dis-agree with you is in the matter of his words, what he says.
Both his words and his deeds matter a great deal. Decent people must RESIST.
His lies affect the whisper-thin and fragile fibers that hold our little
world from coming apart. They become the norm instead of what they are,
a sick and twisted reality from a sick and twisted evil sack of shit that
Trump is. He is like the bully who tries to intimidate, but its all fake
bravado. Deep down he's an insecure little shit. His words and deeds need
to be refuted and rejected at all costs. In this, this is where the media
has miserably failed, that and covering his cronies behind the scenes
goings on.
So yeah, the media has failed, BIG TIME, in covering what truly matters.
But I think his words/lies are geared towards normalizing abhorent
behavior and must be exposed. Some have briefly, very briefly, covered
that aspect of his attack, but so much more needs to be done.
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If the news media would stop reporting on that exclusively, maybe we'd learn something meaningful. B/c no matter what Trump SAYS, what counts is what he DOES. And he does plenty. Which is going uncovered.
As for Trump, either what he 'says' is a negotiation tactic to keep the other side guessing; or it's a ruse to bamboozle the media - and like a really dumb but energetic dog, the media is only too happy to run after everything Trump throws.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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It's that simple, eh!?
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey. I've got a novel idea to keep kids from being separated from their parents.
Stop trying to enter the country illegally.
It ain't rocket science people.
That being said, just make it impossible to get government benefits or work a job without having a valid social security number and this whole issue becomes superfluous anyhow.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It's that simple, eh!?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey. I've got a novel idea to keep kids from being separated from their parents.
Stop trying to enter the country illegally.
It ain't rocket science people.
That being said, just make it impossible to get government benefits or work a job without having a valid social security number and this whole issue becomes superfluous anyhow.
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Yerp.
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Yes, it's that simple.
If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail?
Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally.
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There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.
As I have mentioned (more than once) I believe that the USA and it's "allies" are responsible for much world poverty and attendant social breakdown in various parts of the world, so MY answer to the problem of illegal immigration, AMONG OTHER THINGS is leave other nations the fuck alone. Stop trying to "help" them (R2P) by bombing them, or funding their tyrannical governments. Things may not improve there, but at least we can say that it wasn't our fault.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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But I agree with KIKI- the "news" ain't what it's cracked up to be! Generally, it's a giant propaganda machine ... part of the propaganda convinces you that the USA is a "helpful" nation with international powers, part of it is to convince you to buy shit you don't need and can't afford, part of it is to convince you that everything is A-OK, and part of it is to "normalize" the whole spin-machine by keeping up an endless patter of entertainment.
It's worthless dreck: mostly hype and propaganda.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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But I agree with KIKI - my posts ain't what they're cracked up to be! Generally, they're a giant propaganda machine ... part of the propaganda convinces you that the USA is an "evil" nation with international powers, part of it is to convince you to read shit you don't need and shouldn't believe, part of it is to convince you that everything is bad, and part of it is to "feed" the whole spin-machine by keeping up an endless patter of contrariness and misdirection and outright lies.
In truth, my posts are worthless dreck: mostly hype and propaganda. Attacking your free press is the one of the cornerstones of building a stronger Russia by taking down the US a peg or three.
Fixed it for ya.
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lol...
You're a tool, dude.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Edited for truth and accuracy:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But I agree with KIKI - my posts ain't what they're cracked up to be! Generally, they're a giant propaganda machine ... part of the propaganda convinces you that the USA is an "evil" nation with international powers, part of it is to convince you to read shit you don't need and shouldn't believe, part of it is to convince you that everything is bad, and part of it is to "feed" the whole spin-machine by keeping up an endless patter of contrariness and misdirection and outright lies.
In truth, my posts are worthless dreck: mostly hype and propaganda. Attacking your free press is the one of the cornerstones of building a stronger Russia by taking down the US a peg or three.
Wow, sig comes clean. Is she dying? Is this a death bed confession? Good for you sig. It'll make you feel better about yourself.
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Quote:Why do I suspect Siggy was not a fan of Team America: World Police?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it's that simple.
If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail?
Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally.
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There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.
As I have mentioned (more than once) I believe that the USA and it's "allies" are responsible for much world poverty and attendant social breakdown in various parts of the world, so MY answer to the problem of illegal immigration, AMONG OTHER THINGS is leave other nations the fuck alone. Stop trying to "help" them (R2P) by bombing them, or funding their tyrannical governments. Things may not improve there, but at least we can say that it wasn't our fault.
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Seeking asylum is not a crime.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it's that simple.
If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail?
Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally.
Wow - SIGNUMP tries to equate robbing a bank or selling drugs with parents trying to find a better life for their children. Pretty brain dead on that one, chief.
I would be willing to bet that if she found herself in their situation, she would be trying the same thing. At least, if she has their courage and loves her children like they do.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.
So very cold. You're trying to *intellectualize* desperation. Try just once to put yourself in their situation.
Meanwhile, we know Trump wants to make this as TRAUMATIC as possible so that people will think twice about coming here. It's like Walmart's Pain Compliance (sometimes I think we are the Walmart of countries, so how appropriate). And it will "work," probably is "working," especially if all you want to do is stop people (non-whites) from coming here. Maybe we should start picking off a few just to speed things up?
Meanwhile:
President Trump falsely claimed crime was up in Germany as a result of migration and warned that the United States must avoid the immigration issues facing Europe. LIE
The bipartisan push came as Melania Trump made a rare public intervention, echoing the president’s false claim that a political stalemate was to blame. LIE
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Originally posted by 1kiki:The problem isn't limited to CNN. CNN just happened to be at the alphabetical top of my list. I'm going to follow it for a bit, to illustrate a consistent pattern. And assuming my schedule frees up soon, I intend to illustrate the problem with other 'sources' as well.
I hope you include Foxnews.com - a quick look right now at their "headlines"
- Booming economy, fraud crackdown brings enrollment down to 8-year low
Overall enrollment in the country's food stamp program has dropped to its lowest level in more than eight years as the economy continues to improve and the Trump administration attempts to tackle fraud in the program.
- WATCH: President, VP attend National Space Council meeting
- The foul trick famous billionaire used to try to drive wife from house
- Controversial college teacher made students praise Allah to enter office
- Troubled 90s soap star threatened to kill herself: report
- Restaurant customer sickened when he sees disgusting note on check
- NASA’s Curiosity rover takes selfie during dust storm
- WATCH: Trump supporter disrupts De Niro Broadway performance
- SHOCKING VIDEO: Mice found in Wendy’s hamburger buns
- FOX & FRIENDS Tourists met with needles, feces on streets of San Francisco
- Samuel L. Jackson isn’t sorry for ‘homophobic' Trump tweet
See any raw meat for the typical Trump supporter?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it's that simple.
If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail?
Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally.
Wow - SIGNUMP tries to equate robbing a bank or selling drugs with parents trying to find a better life for their children. Pretty brain dead on that one, chief.
I would be willing to bet that if she found herself in their situation, she would be trying the same thing. At least, if she has their courage and loves her children like they do.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.
So very cold. You're trying to *intellectualize* desperation. Try just once to put yourself in their situation.
Meanwhile, we know Trump wants to make this as TRAUMATIC as possible so that people will think twice about coming here. It's like Walmart's Pain Compliance (sometimes I think we are the Walmart of countries, so how appropriate). And it will "work," probably is "working," especially if all you want to do is stop people (non-whites) from coming here. Maybe we should start picking off a few just to speed things up?
Meanwhile:
President Trump falsely claimed crime was up in Germany as a result of migration and warned that the United States must avoid the immigration issues facing Europe. LIE
The bipartisan push came as Melania Trump made a rare public intervention, echoing the president’s false claim that a political stalemate was to blame. LIE
Add Jack to that list G.
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Quote:But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
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CNN today:
Trump's Homeland Secretary defends US immigration policy that separates children from their parents
- Inside detention center: Chain link fence and thermal blankets
- ANALYSIS: Outrage grows over immigration policy
- Cillizza: White House should have seen crisis coming a mile away
- The story behind the viral photo of crying toddler
Life span of an airplane
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Wow - SIGNUMP tries to equate robbing a bank or selling drugs with parents trying to find a better life for their children. Pretty brain dead on that one, chief.
I would be willing to bet that if she found herself in their situation, she would be trying the same thing. At least, if she has their courage and loves her children like they do.
First of all, let me point out that the Trump administration is doing nothing illegal. It's all in accordance with existing law. If you don't like what he's doing, maybe you should be thinking about changing the laws.
I work with a lot of immigrants. My friend from Ethiopia came to the US after being jailed for political activity. My friend from Burma was brought to the US as a small child by her parents who were trying to escape grinding poverty. My friend from Korea was also brought to the US (when he was 11) by his parents who were also trying to escape poverty. The difference is they came here LEGALLY. They applied, they waited in line, they became citizens.
Nobody NEEDS to cross the border illegally. The legal option is always there.
So why don't these illegal border-crossers use the legal option? Why do they insist they have some kind of right to come across the border without permission?
For decades, the US has used the porous border as a flexible source of cheap labor. Consequently, EXISTING LAWS weren't enforced. No large efforts were made to apprehend people crossing over, and if caught, people were simply bussed back over instead of prosecuted. Some people were caught and sent back multiple times. From the other side, it looks like people came to expect access as part of an unstated deal - we're ready to do cheap work so you have the duty to let us in.
But - let me repeat this - the laws already exist to apprehend AND PROSECUTE anyone who crosses the border illegally. What Trump is doing is enforcing existing laws.
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Quote:When I hear about people who have left because gangs were threatening their business or their home, or because someone was being threatened by their spouse, I have to wonder .... if they were so desperate as to make the multi-hundred or even multi-thousand mile journey to the USA .... did they ever try just moving to a different part of the city? Or to a different city or different province altogether? Or just across the border to another nation, like (say) Costa Rica? I mean, heck, if I were the target of a gang in LA, and it was THAT bad, I'd probably try to move to someplace else within the USA first, where I know the language. I wouldn't immediately think ...CRAP! I have to move to Quebec!
Yes, it's that simple. If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail? Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally. - SIGNY
Wow - SIGNUMP tries to equate robbing a bank or selling drugs with parents trying to find a better life for their children. Pretty brain dead on that one, chief. I would be willing to bet that if she found herself in their situation, she would be trying the same thing. At least, if she has their courage and loves her children like they do. - GSTRING
And if not, why not?
Here's my guess ... because the poverty is just as bad "there" as in the neighborhood. It's probably not "just" violence that people are escaping. I'll get back to that in a bit.
Quote:GSTRING, it would be useful if you put YOUR brain into gear once in a while!
There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.- SIGNY
So very cold. You're trying to *intellectualize* desperation. Try just once to put yourself in their situation.- GSTRING
WHY are people desperate? What is the cause of their poverty? If you can fix that, then you wouldn't have to "help" so many poor.
I remind you once again of the story of washerwomen who go to the river to wash clothes, and they see babies ... helpless babies, floating down the river, dead and drowning. One woman falls into hysterical crying. Several other women form a chain, pulling babies out as fast as they can, even tho they know they';ll never be able to help them all. The last woman turns around and starts running upriver.
Stop!!! implore the women of the human chain We need you to help pull babies out of the river!!
I can't she yells over her shoulder I'm going upstream to find the bastards who are throwing them in!
That is the source of my quote I don't believe in sharing problems, I believe in solving them Also Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor. Poverty - especially nationwide poverty- doesn't just "happen", and it's not the result of personal misfortune, it is the end result of a process.
Find the source of the problem, and solve it. But that is why I find you, THUGR, KRAPO, and SECOND to be such hypocrites ... or at least incredible mental midgets. Each in your own way support and promote the very problems that you pretend to care about. Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we can stop it, instead of "helping" its victi
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Poverty - especially nationwide poverty - doesn't just "happen", and it is not the result of personal misfortune, it is the end result of a process.
Find the source of the problem, and solve it.
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Quote:But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
It's about to come out that the Trump administration planned on separating parents from their children back in 2017. To use zero tolerance to do it. They wanted to use this as a tool to cut back on asylum seekers. And, those reporting this have the documentation to prove it.
Once again you guys have egg on your faces.
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Quote:But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
My God, you're clueless!
Deterring Illegal Immigration by Separating Parents and Children
A proposal to stem the flow of migrants trekking to the southern border is revealing the limitations of deterrence policy.
PRISCILLA ALVAREZ
DEC 27, 2017
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trumps-plan-to-de
ter-immigrants-from-coming-to-the-united-states/549221/
Note the date.
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To use zero tolerance to do it. They wanted to use this as a tool to cut back on asylum seekers. And, those reporting this have the documentation to prove it.
Once again you guys have egg on your faces.
You have a link for that? Or are you crowing about non-existent facts, again?
People are free to seek asylum in the US at any time from within their own borders. Prosecuting illegal border-crossers doesn't change that. What this does is cut down the incentive to cross illegally without legally seeking asylum first.
I think what happened was that Trump blustered about illegal immigrants, and the numbers (which had been slowly historically dropping) plummeted. But in March the numbers surged and rose to the levels of the previous year. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/politics/border-crossings-spike-trump-e
ffect/index.html I believe the policy of actually enforcing existing laws and jailing and prosecuting offenders is meant to send a message: illegal border crossing will not be tolerated.
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So they incarcerate everyone?
Mindless. We have a fascist apologist here.^
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So they incarcerate everyone?
Mindless. We have a fascist apologist here.^
This is a mindless use of the word "fascist". You Godwinned this thread, you pervert, you!
What IS "fascist" is "intervening" in nations in ways which promote poverty and instability.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
My God, you're clueless!
Why is it clueless to insist people seek asylum first - BEFORE crossing the border?
Oh, that's right - they're not actually seeking asylum. They're just hoping to cross the border and disappear. And Mexico is more than willing to move them along, since it doesn't want them. It has no qualms about being so unwelcoming they 'self-deport' to the US. Canada doesn't want them either. It's biggest concern is that it's not dealing with illegal border-crossers fast enough, within its 60-day window.
Is the US supposed to be the only country that doesn't regulate its immigration?
As for the new policy - enforcing existing laws - it remains to be seen whether or not it has an effect. It's not a case of "US or nothing". There's always Mexico. If people settle in Mexico, which is marginally better than the country they came from, enforcement will have done the job. The US borders will be secure. And people will have improved their lives.
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So they incarcerate everyone?
Mindless. We have a fascist apologist here.^
Troll, much?
Is it fascist to require people seek asylum? Yes or No
Is it fascist to detain people for breaking the law? Yes or No
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I'm curious if anyone is interested in discussing solutions.
Signy has a point. Our policies create a lot of poverty and instability outside of our borders.
When it comes to Mexico specifically, the US has a long and shameful history of treating its poor population like disposable parts. While the west was being settled, Mexicans were welcome as cowboys. But when the US wanted the territory, the Mexicans were the enemy. During the railroad-building boom times, Mexicans were worked like mules. But when the Great Depression hit, Mexicans were targeted and driven by violence back across the border. During WWII, when there was a shortage of young male labor, Mexicans were 'allowed' to do the most backbreaking work in the US. When times got better, Mexicans were easily-abused cheap labor - as farmworkers, laborers, and especially working in the meat and chicken processing plants in the midwest (Tyson, eg). Then NAFTA destroyed the indigenous Mexican family farmer, throwing them off the land and into the cheap-labor market. (Under Nafta, Mexico Suffered, and the United States Felt Its Pain https://www.nytimes.com/...nafta/under-nafta-mexico-suffered-and-the-u
nited-states-f... Nov 24, 2013 - As heavily subsidized U.S. corn and other staples poured into Mexico, producer prices dropped and small farmers found themselves unable to ...) Now that hard times have hit the American worker (as the last population available to exploit ... but that's another story), Mexicans are now unwelcome.
For well over two centuries, the US has turned a blind eye to Mexican labor coming across the border when it was profitable for business and tolerated by the US community. But when circumstances changed, the US had no compunction about driving Mexicans back to whatever fate had in store.
So now we have this problem ... illegal border crossers are unpopular (again). And we have laws in place to deal with them (still). But this current shift in the wind doesn't negate the centuries old-dynamic embedded in the personal economies of people across the border. The US is both the thief and the place to find redress.
I think we would do ourselves the biggest favor if we stopped being self-serving hypocrites, at least when it comes to immigration. Are Mexicans (and others who come through Mexico) different from immigrants across the rest of the globe, or the same? Do we throw our doors open to Mexicans and no one else? Do we allow everyone in? Or do we, once and for all, treat Mexicans like we treat others - with restricted immigration, enforcement, and the rule of law?
We've been trying to have it both ways for too long. We need to settle on one policy - one of the above, or something else - and stick with it. That will help stabilize immigration out of the current chaos. It might also help to regularize the economic relationship between Mexico and the US.
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You knew it was comming. Again comrades kiki and sig blame America for the worlds problems.
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Do you have anything to add on-topic?
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Quote:Well, son, if we constantly brag about our "unipolar" dominance, and how our military is the biggest and best in the world, and how we are the "indispensable" nation and how it's up to us to make the world safe for democracy ... or whatever the fuck it is we're told about WHY we should "intervene" in yet another nation .... then we should bear responsibility, and be accountable for the results.
Originally posted by JJ:
You knew it was comming. [sic] Again comrades kiki and sig blame America for the worlds problems.
After all, with great power comes great responsibility. Right?
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It occurs to me - not that I've given this a whole lot of thought - that people who are coming over the border WITH their children are operating on the assumption that these children would act as their "get out of jail free" card, because that's how it worked under Obama. In other words, they're exploiting their children to game the system. Not that I blame them, but OTOH I don't have to condone their actions either.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Still waiting for a coherent response to this ...
Quote:When I hear about people who have left because gangs were threatening their business or their home, or because someone was being threatened by their spouse, I have to wonder .... if they were so desperate as to make the multi-hundred or even multi-thousand mile journey to the USA .... did they ever try just moving to a different part of the city? Or to a different city or different province altogether? Or just across the border to another nation, like (say) Costa Rica? I mean, heck, if I were the target of a gang in LA, and it was THAT bad, I'd probably try to move to someplace else within the USA first, where I know the language. I wouldn't immediately think ...CRAP! I have to move to Quebec!
Yes, it's that simple. If you are a parent, and you rob a bank, or sell a lot of drugs, or hit-and-run, won't YOU be "separated from your children" when you go to jail? Well, entering the country illegally is also a crime, and it has a predicable consequence. Ergo, don't enter the country illegally. - SIGNY
Wow - SIGNUMP tries to equate robbing a bank or selling drugs with parents trying to find a better life for their children. Pretty brain dead on that one, chief. I would be willing to bet that if she found herself in their situation, she would be trying the same thing. At least, if she has their courage and loves her children like they do. - GSTRING
And if not, why not?
Here's my guess ... because the poverty is just as bad "there" as in the neighborhood. It's probably not "just" violence that people are escaping. I'll get back to that in a bit.
Quote:GSTRING, it would be useful if you put YOUR brain into gear once in a while!
There is another aspect to this, and that is people claiming POLITICAL ASYLUM because of poverty and gang violence in their city, or domestic violence in their home. What is "political" about any of that? "Political" asylum is meant for categories of people who are discriminated against because of a policy of discrimination by their home nation, not because of general incompetence or corruption by their government, or generalized poverty. Receiving "political" asylum on the basis of generalized poverty and violence means that ANY poor person in the entire world can claim asylum, and that is simply not the intent of the political asylum status.- SIGNY
So very cold. You're trying to *intellectualize* desperation. Try just once to put yourself in their situation.- GSTRING
WHY are people desperate? What is the cause of their poverty? If you can fix that, then you wouldn't have to "help" so many poor.
I remind you once again of the story of washerwomen who go to the river to wash clothes, and they see babies ... helpless babies, floating down the river, dead and drowning. One woman falls into hysterical crying. Several other women form a chain, pulling babies out as fast as they can, even tho they know they';ll never be able to help them all. The last woman turns around and starts running upriver.
Stop!!! implore the women of the human chain We need you to help pull babies out of the river!!
I can't she yells over her shoulder I'm going upstream to find the bastards who are throwing them in!
That is the source of my quote I don't believe in sharing problems, I believe in solving them Also Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor. Poverty - especially nationwide poverty- doesn't just "happen", and it's not the result of personal misfortune, it is the end result of a process.
Find the source of the problem, and solve it. But that is why I find you, THUGR, KRAPO, and SECOND to be such hypocrites ... or at least incredible mental midgets. Each in your own way support and promote the very problems that you pretend to care about. Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we ca
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"The news".
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Quote:Thanks for the review. I guess FNC is not as bad as I feared. The closest to an Entertainment diversion is 8th on the list.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:The problem isn't limited to CNN. CNN just happened to be at the alphabetical top of my list. I'm going to follow it for a bit, to illustrate a consistent pattern. And assuming my schedule frees up soon, I intend to illustrate the problem with other 'sources' as well.
I hope you include Foxnews.com - a quick look right now at their "headlines"
- Booming economy, fraud crackdown brings enrollment down to 8-year low
Overall enrollment in the country's food stamp program has dropped to its lowest level in more than eight years as the economy continues to improve and the Trump administration attempts to tackle fraud in the program.
- WATCH: President, VP attend National Space Council meeting
- The foul trick famous billionaire used to try to drive wife from house
- Controversial college teacher made students praise Allah to enter office
- Troubled 90s soap star threatened to kill herself: report
- Restaurant customer sickened when he sees disgusting note on check
- NASA’s Curiosity rover takes selfie during dust storm
- WATCH: Trump supporter disrupts De Niro Broadway performance
- SHOCKING VIDEO: Mice found in Wendy’s hamburger buns
- FOX & FRIENDS Tourists met with needles, feces on streets of San Francisco
- Samuel L. Jackson isn’t sorry for ‘homophobic' Trump tweet
See any raw meat for the typical Trump supporter?
And no opinions listed in the top 11 that you posted.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
My God, you're clueless!
Pot, meet kettle.
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Quote:I'm not sure if you are fully accurate. The biggest change leading to the current epidemic was Teddly Kennedy's intentional subjugation of immigration law in order to drive an increase of Illegal Aliens.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm curious if anyone is interested in discussing solutions.
Signy has a point. Our policies create a lot of poverty and instability outside of our borders.
When it comes to Mexico specifically, the US has a long and shameful history of treating its poor population like disposable parts. While the west was being settled, Mexicans were welcome as cowboys. But when the US wanted the territory, the Mexicans were the enemy. During the railroad-building boom times, Mexicans were worked like mules. But when the Great Depression hit, Mexicans were targeted and driven by violence back across the border. During WWII, when there was a shortage of young male labor, Mexicans were 'allowed' to do the most backbreaking work in the US. When times got better, Mexicans were easily-abused cheap labor - as farmworkers, laborers, and especially working in the meat and chicken processing plants in the midwest (Tyson, eg). Then NAFTA destroyed the indigenous Mexican family farmer, throwing them off the land and into the cheap-labor market. (Under Nafta, Mexico Suffered, and the United States Felt Its Pain https://www.nytimes.com/...nafta/under-nafta-mexico-suffered-and-the-u
nited-states-f... Nov 24, 2013 - As heavily subsidized U.S. corn and other staples poured into Mexico, producer prices dropped and small farmers found themselves unable to ...) Now that hard times have hit the American worker (as the last population available to exploit ... but that's another story), Mexicans are now unwelcome.
For well over two centuries, the US has turned a blind eye to Mexican labor coming across the border when it was profitable for business and tolerated by the US community. But when circumstances changed, the US had no compunction about driving Mexicans back to whatever fate had in store.
So now we have this problem ... illegal border crossers are unpopular (again). And we have laws in place to deal with them (still). But this current shift in the wind doesn't negate the centuries old-dynamic embedded in the personal economies of people across the border. The US is both the thief and the place to find redress.
I think we would do ourselves the biggest favor if we stopped being self-serving hypocrites, at least when it comes to immigration. Are Mexicans (and others who come through Mexico) different from immigrants across the rest of the globe, or the same? Do we throw our doors open to Mexicans and no one else? Do we allow everyone in? Or do we, once and for all, treat Mexicans like we treat others - with restricted immigration, enforcement, and the rule of law?
We've been trying to have it both ways for too long. We need to settle on one policy - one of the above, or something else - and stick with it. That will help stabilize immigration out of the current chaos. It might also help to regularize the economic relationship between Mexico and the US.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Your post didn't seem to include that fact.
Personally, I think the valid Immigrant acceptance rate should be ramped up. This means law abiding applicants, and mostly from places without a land border with USA - unless law abiding Canadians want to escape Nature's Air Conditioning.
People with real, actual hard education should have preference, not feminist studies or advanced pot smoking degrees, or Affirmative Action Fake diplomas.
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Originally posted by JJ:Quote:But crossing the border illegally is. People need to seek asylum BEFORE they cross the border - not after.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
It's about to come out that the Trump administration planned on separating parents from their children back in 2017. To use zero tolerance to do it. They wanted to use this as a tool to cut back on asylum seekers. And, those reporting this have the documentation to prove it.
Once again you guys have egg on your faces.
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How so?
I'm 100% in agreement with this practice. Zero Tolerance.
If you don't want to be separated from your kids, don't' sneak over the border illegally.
What's so fucking hard to understand about this concept?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Still waiting for a coherent response to this ...
Equating bank robbery and drug dealing with seeking asylum - even if it's fake asylum - is such an asinine equation. If you say stupid sh*t you're going to have to wait for a response.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's my guess ...
Unfortunately that's what a lot of us have to do, GUESS. I AGREE that there are arguments for both sides:
1. Wrong to bring kids this far without expecting negative consequences. Not to mention the Fraudulent applicants that try to game the system. I would like to see more reporting from neutrals about the source of this immigration.
2. No matter how you slice it, not matter your angle, no matter how well pain compliance may work, it's flat out wrong. OK for Russia maybe, or some other backward ass country, not this one.
And this is the problem: You have an administration that has proven they don't give a sh*t about non-white people. They're from "Shit holes" etc. If you want to better manage immigration in a humane way, this is the wrong way to do it. You can't trust this administration for anything other than They Will Lie. That seems like a lazy way out. I want a better solution.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WHY are people desperate? What is the cause of their poverty? If you can fix that, then you wouldn't have to "help" so many poor.
"IF" - great lot of good that helps now.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I remind you once again of the story of washerwomen who go to the river to wash clothes, and they see babies ... helpless babies, floating down the river, dead and drowning. One woman falls into hysterical crying. Several other women form a chain, pulling babies out as fast as they can, even tho they know they';ll never be able to help them all. The last woman turns around and starts running upriver.
Stop!!! implore the women of the human chain We need you to help pull babies out of the river!!
I can't she yells over her shoulder I'm going upstream to find the bastards who are throwing them in!
That is the source of my quote I don't believe in sharing problems, I believe in solving them Also Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor. Poverty - especially nationwide poverty- doesn't just "happen", and it's not the result of personal misfortune, it is the end result of a process.
We could tell that story to these kids when they get tucked in at night!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Find the source of the problem, and solve it. But that is why I find you, THUGR, KRAPO, and SECOND to be such hypocrites ... or at least incredible mental midgets. Each in your own way support and promote the very problems that you pretend to care about. Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we can stop it, instead of "helping" its victims.
The source of this problem is The White House. There, solved.
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Quote:Both are willfully breaking the law.
Still waiting for a coherent response to this ... - SIGNY
Equating bank robbery and drug dealing with seeking asylum - even if it's fake asylum - is such an asinine equation. If you say stupid sh*t you're going to have to wait for a response. - GSTRING
Quote:
Here's my guess ... - SIGNY
Unfortunately that's what a lot of us have to do, GUESS. I AGREE that there are arguments for both sides:
1. Wrong to bring kids this far without expecting negative consequences. Not to mention the Fraudulent applicants that try to game the system. I would like to see more reporting from neutrals about the source of this immigration.
2. No matter how you slice it, not matter your angle, no matter how well pain compliance may work, it's flat out wrong. OK for Russia maybe, or some other backward ass country, not this one. - GSTRING
GSTRING, punishment works to reduce deliberate misbehaviours. So punishment works for end deliberations of costs versus benefits ... white collar crimes for example, illegal immigration, or starting smoking. (What punishment DOESN'T reduce are violent crimes, because those are usually the result of internal drives over which the criminal has no control). This policy, IMHO, is a good example of "deterrence".
Quote:Son, I asked you to consider the causes of POVERTY, and not take the "lazy way out" of blaming everything in Trump. Clearly, your brain is not yet functioning.
And this is the problem: You have an administration that has proven they don't give a sh*t about non-white people. They're from "Shit holes" etc. If you want to better manage immigration in a humane way, this is the wrong way to do it. You can't trust this administration for anything other than They Will Lie. That seems like a lazy way out. I want a better solution.- GSTRING
Quote:Well, if it is an ONGOING process and WE are at least partly to blame, wouldn't it help to STOP whatever it is that we're doing ... First, do no harm ... so that we don't continue to make the problem worse?
WHY are people desperate? What is the cause of their poverty? If you can fix that, then you wouldn't have to "help" so many poor. - SIGNY
"IF" - great lot of good that helps now.- GSTRING
Quote:No, but I'm telling it to YOU because YOU- presumably are an adult. Right?? You ARE an adult??
I remind you once again of the story of washerwomen who go to the river to wash clothes, and they see babies ... helpless babies, floating down the river, dead and drowning. One woman falls into hysterical crying. Several other women form a chain, pulling babies out as fast as they can, even tho they know they';ll never be able to help them all. The last woman turns around and starts running upriver.
Stop!!! implore the women of the human chain We need you to help pull babies out of the river!!
I can't she yells over her shoulder I'm going upstream to find the bastards who are throwing them in!
That is the source of my quote I don't believe in sharing problems, I believe in solving them Also Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor. Poverty - especially nationwide poverty- doesn't just "happen", and it's not the result of personal misfortune, it is the end result of a process. - SIGNY
We could tell that story to these kids when they get tucked in at night!- GSTRING
Quote:Bullshi
Find the source of the problem, and solve it. But that is why I find you, THUGR, KRAPO, and SECOND to be such hypocrites ... or at least incredible mental midgets. Each in your own way support and promote the very problems that you pretend to care about. Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we can stop it, instead of "helping" its victims. - SIGNY
The source of this problem is The White House. There, solved.- GSTRING
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING, punishment works to reduce deliberate misbehaviours. So punishment works for end deliberations of costs versus benefits ... white collar crimes for example, illegal immigration, or starting smoking. (What punishment DOESN'T reduce are violent crimes, because those are usually the result of internal drives over which the criminal has no control). This policy, IMHO, is a good example of "deterrence".
Cold, black heart just too lazy to think of a better way.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Son, I asked you to consider the causes of POVERTY, and not take the "lazy way out" of blaming everything in Trump. Clearly, your brain is not yet functioning.
Clearly you are not talking about the current problem and its easy fix. You want to prattle on about some future make believe situation because you really just don't give a shit about these people.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
YOU - presumably are an adult. Right?? You ARE an adult??
YOU - presumably are a human. Right?? You ARE a human??
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we can stop it, instead of "helping" its victims. - SIGNY
Yeah, god forbid we'd help the victims of poverty - geezus christ! I think you slipped there.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Bullshit. That is a stupid and lazy conclusion. Illegal immigration started long before Trump.
You really do say the dumbest things with such ease.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm going to give you one more chance to figure this out for yourself.
And I'll give you one more chance to read my comment again granny. I said THIS problem. Not interested in your make believe 100 year what-if scenarios.
For anyone else:
from Morena B:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/how-you-can-fight-family-s
eparation-at-the-border.html
This list is being updated with new information. Last updated Tuesday, June 18, 2018, 8:19 p.m.
If you’re horrified by news of families being separated at the borders, here’s a bit of news you can use.
First, the policy: It helps to be incredibly clear on what the law is, and what has and has not changed. When Donald Trump and Sarah Huckabee Sanders say that the policy of separating children from their parents upon entry is a law passed by Democrats that Democrats will not fix, they are lying.
There are two different policies in play, and both are new.
First is the new policy that any migrant family entering the U.S. without a border inspection will be prosecuted for this minor misdemeanor. The parents get incarcerated and that leaves children to be warehoused. The parents then typically plead guilty to the misdemeanor and are given a sentence of the few days they served waiting for trial. But then when the parents try to reunite with their children, they are given the runaround—and possibly even deported, alone. The children are left in HHS custody, often without family.
Second is a new and apparently unwritten policy that even when the family presents themselves at a border-entry location, seeking asylum—that is, even when the family is complying in all respects with immigration law—the government is snatching the children away from their parents. Here, the government’s excuse seems to be that they want to keep the parents in jail-like immigration detention for a long time, while their asylum cases are adjudicated. The long-standing civil rights case known as Flores dictates that they aren’t allowed to keep kids in that kind of detention, so the Trump administration says they have to break up the families. They do not have to break up families—it is the government’s new choice to jail people with credible asylum claims who haven’t violated any laws that is leading to the heartbreaking separations you’ve been reading about.
So that is what is happening. Whether or not that is what
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Quote:I HAVE thought of a better way. I posted it more than once. You were just too stupid to understand it.
GSTRING, punishment works to reduce deliberate misbehaviours. So punishment works for end deliberations of costs versus benefits ... white collar crimes for example, illegal immigration, or starting smoking. (What punishment DOESN'T reduce are violent crimes, because those are usually the result of internal drives over which the criminal has no control). This policy, IMHO, is a good example of "deterrence".
Cold, black heart just too lazy to think of a better way.- CGSTRING
Quote:What IS the "easy fix", son? Just let people in and let them go free on own recognizance, to show up at a hearing for which they will never appear? THAT'S not a solution. The only other solution is to build family centers where children can be near their parents even as their parents are detained.
Son, I asked you to consider the causes of POVERTY, and not take the "lazy way out" of blaming everything in Trump. Clearly, your brain is not yet functioning. -SIGNY
Clearly you are not talking about the current problem and its easy fix. You want to prattle on about some future make believe situation because you really just don't give a shit about these people.- GSTRING
Quote:Yes, I am a human, and what is it about humans that make us so special?? It's not "feelings" and it's not "empathy" because animals have both; it's our ability to THINK. An ability that YOU haven't accessed in a long time, if ever!
YOU - presumably are an adult. Right?? You ARE an adult?? - SIGNY
YOU - presumably are a human. Right?? You ARE a human?? -GSTRING
Quote:If you're so fucking interested in "helping the poor" why don't you start with our own poor here in the USA?? Jimminy Christmas, we treat illegal aliens better than we treat our own homeless and disabled!
Let's talk about the causes of poverty, and how we can stop it, instead of "helping" its victims. - SIGNY
Yeah, god forbid we'd help the victims of poverty - geezus christ! I think you slipped there. - GSTRING
Quote:OK, I'll bite: Explain to me how that was a "dumb" statement. I'll bet that you can't.
Bullshit. That is a stupid and lazy conclusion. Illegal immigration started long before Trump. - SIGNY
You really do say the dumbest things with such ease.- GSTRING
Quote:THIS problem is illegal immigrants deliberately exploiting their children because they think that their children will give them a "get out of jail free" card. You solve that problem by simply not allowing them to use their children as hostages/ bargaining chips by removing the reward.
I'm going to give you one more chance to figure this out for yourself. - SIGNY
And I'll give you one more chance to read my comment again granny. I said THIS problem. Not interested in your make believe 100 year what-if scenarios.- GSTRING
The policy of enforcing existing laws (as opposed to not enforcing laws at all) could have been made less onerous and traumatic by providing significant forewarning and notification in the countries where illegal immigrants come from or transit through. That way, we potentially wouldn't have so many people sneaking thru our borders, children in tow, on the mistaken assumption that their young'uns would allow them to disappear without ever having to face immigration.
Now, as for solving the poverty that is DRIVING illegal immigration, that takes more thought .... something that you seem incapable of.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, as for solving the poverty that is DRIVING illegal immigration, that takes more thought .... something that you seem incapable of.
Common illness among today's Leftists.
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Trump ramps up rhetoric
-US President accuses Democrats of wanting 'illegal immigrants' to 'infest our country'
-live updates Trump: You have to take the children away
-analysis What Trump says on immigration vs. reality
-Kellyanne Conway fires back at Cuomo: How dare you
What to know before you cruise
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Virginia school's namesake changes from Confederate leader to Barack Obama
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/19/virginia-school-dedicat
ed-confederate-soldier-renamed-after-president-barack-obama/715409002/
What to know before you cruise
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Meanwhile, GSTRING has not a clue as to what causes the misery that is driving people to emigrate from their country of origin, ergo it has not a clue as to how to solve the problem.
GSTRING, do you want to take a whack at this problem from a rational standpoint?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Reuters Editor Blames Trump for Annapolis Newsroom Shooting: ‘Blood on Your Hands’
Rob Cox, Global Editor for Thomson Reuters’ Breakingviews vertical, said the Capital Gazette newspaper shooting was a direct response to President Donald Trump’s criticism of the mainstream media.
This is what happens when @realDonaldTrump calls journalists the enemy of the people. Blood is on your hands, Mr. President. Save your thoughts and prayers for your empty soul.
At least four people killed in Maryland newspaper shooting: reports https://t.co/BXNOhj5BDx — Rob Cox (@rob1cox) June 28, 2018
“This is what happens when @realDonaldTrump calls journalists the enemy of the people,” Cox tweeted following the shooting. “Blood is on your hands, Mr. President. Save your thoughts and prayers for your empty soul.”
UPDATE: Cox has since deleted the tweet and acknowledges “jumping to a conclusion.”
UPDATE #2: Still hours later, Cox tweets an apology and a concession that his comments “were not in keeping with the Reuters Trust Principles.”
Law enforcement confirmed at least 5 people are dead and 7 others are injured after a suspect gunman opened fire inside the Capital Gazette’s newsroom in Annapolis, Maryland. Neither that information nor further details on the suspect were confirmed at the time of Cox’s post.
“Rob Cox helped found Breakingviews.com in 2000 in London. From 2004 he spearheaded the publication’s expansion in the United States and edited daily Breakingviews columns in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal,” according to his biography. “Rob has worked as a financial journalist in London, Milan, New York, Washington, Chicago, and Tokyo. Rob was named Global Editor of Breakingviews in December 2012, three years after it was acquired by Thomson Reuters.”
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:The policy to tear kids away from their parents was a trial balloon.
Originally posted by Brenda:
I think the citizens of the United States of America should be. He's trashed your allies and is now trying to be friends with a dictator that first started in war of insults.
Policies that rip children away from their families at the border between Mexico and the US. Detaining then somehow not knowing where I think over 1,000 of these children went and doesn't seem to care.
Blames that particular policy on the Democrats.
Came back from Singapore saying Kim is a smart, tough guy, who has his people listening to every word he says. Then follows that statement up with saying that he would like his own people to do that.
Normal people were outraged, but Trump AIMS to outrage decent people every day. His base, being racist, fascistic, ill-educated, little hate machines, loved it.
His popularity actually went up. Trump and his handlers are thrilled, and even nastier stuff is in the pipeline, already. Fascist America is almost here, and Putin's loving it.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:The policy to tear kids away from their parents was a trial balloon.
Originally posted by Brenda:
I think the citizens of the United States of America should be. He's trashed your allies and is now trying to be friends with a dictator that first started in war of insults.
Policies that rip children away from their families at the border between Mexico and the US. Detaining then somehow not knowing where I think over 1,000 of these children went and doesn't seem to care.
Blames that particular policy on the Democrats.
Came back from Singapore saying Kim is a smart, tough guy, who has his people listening to every word he says. Then follows that statement up with saying that he would like his own people to do that.
Normal people were outraged, but Trump AIMS to outrage decent people every day. His base, being racist, fascistic, ill-educated, little hate machines, loved it.
His popularity actually went up. Trump and his handlers are thrilled, and even nastier stuff is in the pipeline, already. Fascist America is almost here, and Putin's loving it.
RF, he has succeeded. And I know that too.
Now you know why I said that I weep for my grandmother's country.
Of course it did and I do not doubt that worse is on the way.
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BRENDA ... The "open borders" policy that benefited American immigrants didn't work out so well for native Americans. Seems like your family could have loyalties on both sides of the immigration issue. It sounds confusing.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:The reaction to the immigration crisis here in the USA goes far beyond Trumps base. A CBS poll - which most M$M outlets kept a lid on - shows the following:
Normal people were outraged, but Trump AIMS to outrage decent people every day. His base, being racist, fascistic, ill-educated, little hate machines, loved it.
His popularity actually went up. Trump and his handlers are thrilled, and even nastier stuff is in the pipeline, already. Fascist America is almost here, and Putin's loving it.
Quote:That puts you in the minority.
Today, New York City based political commentator, Ryan Girdusky, pointed out a statistic from a CBS poll released today that may surprise some Democratic officials – most Americans want parents and children who enter America illegally kept together as a unit, but prefer that the entire family is either detained or deported after they are caught crossing the border into America. In fact, just 21% of Americans believe that these illegal aliens and their offspring should be released into American streets.
Quote:https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/06/24/untitled-n249399
According to a CBS poll, 48% of Americans says that the United States government should “release the entire family back to their home country together.” 11% of Americans believe that the parents should be arrested, but have their children kept with them in the same facility.
As previously mentioned, 21% of Americans say that the government should "release the entire family in the U.S. temporarily and require that they report back for a hearing." Just 4% believed parents and children should be detained in separate facilities.
If there is a lesson that Democratic leaders can learn from this sampling of the American voter, it clearly has not resonated with candidates. Just this week, New York gubernatorial candidate Cynthia Nixon called for the abolition ICE, saying that the group responsible for tracking down illegal aliens was acting like a "terrorist organization." As Girdusky said, “This (poll) shows that Democrats are completely out of step with average Americans. Rather than learning from Hillary Clinton’s loss, they’ve doubled down on open borders, amnesty, and lawlessness and Americans don’t want it.”
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The question is #31
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I think MOST Americans want control of the border. And I think that Canadians want the same.
FROM 2007
Quote:https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21refugees.html
Illegal Immigrants Chase False Hope to Canada
...The arrivals here began suddenly three weeks ago, just a family or two at first, fueled by the notion — largely unfounded, the authorities here say — that Canada would grant them asylum.
FROM 2017
Quote:https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/20/illegal-immigrants-may-not-find-w
Illegal Immigrants May Not Find Warm Welcome in Canada
A new poll shows nearly half of Canadians want border-crossers sent back to the United States.
arm-welcome-in-canada-refugee-policy-immigration-migration-trudeau-trump-united-states-poll/
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BRENDA ... The "open borders" policy that benefited American immigrants didn't work out so well for native Americans. Seems like your family could have loyalties on both sides of the immigration issue. It sounds confusing.
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As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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"Open borders" benefitted half of my family and not the other half. My Indian ancestors didn't realize a few pale skins would become an invasion. Hence all the "Indian Wars" as they are called now.
And so yes my family does have loyalties on both sides of the issue.
My mother's family being mostly Irish fled the potato famine landing there in the US a few years before the Civil War.
My French Canadian great grandfather was a trapper and followed the trap lines and trade routes into the US and stayed there. Meeting and marrying my Shoshoni great grandmother.
My grandmother and her siblings were born in what is now the state of Montana. Then it was just a territory.
My Scot grandfather came to the New World because I don't think working for someone else tickled his fancy.
So, long story short. It is tangled. But to me it isn't really. This continent is my home. My family has shed blood for the US. My Indian family was at the Little Big Horn. The white fought in the Civil War on both sides.
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My Mexican step-father who grew up picking cotton and living in a boxcar with his parents and 8 older siblings is adamant against illegal immigration. He's the first in his family to graduate college and his daughter is a neurosurgeon. His parents came here legally and had a difficult but successful life and lived the American Dream of providing a better life for their children, which he in turn did for his own children.
He's not a big fan of free rides.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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My Scot grandfather could have gone anywhere the British crown ruled. But he chose Canada after coming across the US and meeting and marrying my Metis grandmother.
In Canada he saw that she got her citizenship papers. I have them.
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Quote:Townhall? LOL!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The reaction to the immigration crisis here in the USA goes far beyond Trumps base. A CBS poll - which most M$M outlets kept a lid on - shows the following:
Normal people were outraged, but Trump AIMS to outrage decent people every day. His base, being racist, fascistic, ill-educated, little hate machines, loved it.
His popularity actually went up. Trump and his handlers are thrilled, and even nastier stuff is in the pipeline, already. Fascist America is almost here, and Putin's loving it.Quote:That puts you in the minority.
Today, New York City based political commentator, Ryan Girdusky, pointed out a statistic from a CBS poll released today that may surprise some Democratic officials – most Americans want parents and children who enter America illegally kept together as a unit, but prefer that the entire family is either detained or deported after they are caught crossing the border into America. In fact, just 21% of Americans believe that these illegal aliens and their offspring should be released into American streets.Quote:https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/06/24/untitled-n249399
According to a CBS poll, 48% of Americans says that the United States government should “release the entire family back to their home country together.” 11% of Americans believe that the parents should be arrested, but have their children kept with them in the same facility.
As previously mentioned, 21% of Americans say that the government should "release the entire family in the U.S. temporarily and require that they report back for a hearing." Just 4% believed parents and children should be detained in separate facilities.
If there is a lesson that Democratic leaders can learn from this sampling of the American voter, it clearly has not resonated with candidates. Just this week, New York gubernatorial candidate Cynthia Nixon called for the abolition ICE, saying that the group responsible for tracking down illegal aliens was acting like a "terrorist organization." As Girdusky said, “This (poll) shows that Democrats are completely out of step with average Americans. Rather than learning from Hillary Clinton’s loss, they’ve doubled down on open borders, amnesty, and lawlessness and Americans don’t want it.”
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I think MOST Americans want control of the border. And I think that Canadians want the same.
FROM 2007Quote:https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21refugees.html
Illegal Immigrants Chase False Hope to Canada
...The arrivals here began suddenly three weeks ago, just a family or two at first, fueled by the notion — largely unfounded, the authorities here say — that Canada would grant them asylum.
FROM 2017Quote:https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/20/illegal-immigrants-may-not-find-w
Illegal Immigrants May Not Find Warm Welcome in Canada
A new poll shows nearly half of Canadians want border-crossers sent back to the United States.
arm-welcome-in-canada-refugee-policy-immigration-migration-trudeau-trump-united-states-poll/
Talk about loaded questions. I'm supposing this was done on landlines, too.
"In fact, just 21% of Americans believe that these illegal aliens and their offspring should be released into American streets.
That puts you in the minority}"
"Illegal aliens released into American streets..."
Do you not see the idiocy here? LOL!
EDIT: You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS.
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Quote:Anyone crossing the border without going thru a port of entry, EVEN IF THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, has committed the crime of illegal entry. Filing for asylum after-the-fact does not negate their illegal entry. All that filing for asylum does is put their name in some docket where their actual status will be adjudicated. And btw- very few of them will meet the high bar that is set for being granted asylum after illegal entry; and most of them will be deportable.
You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Anyone crossing the border without going thru a port of entry, EVEN IF THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, has committed the crime of illegal entry. Filing for asylum after-the-fact does not negate their illegal entry. All that filing for asylum does is put their name in some docket where their actual status will be adjudicated. And btw- very few of them will meet the high bar that is set for being granted asylum after illegal entry; and most of them will be deportable.
You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS.
I know. This is so laughable. I think in RF's head that simply living outside of the US is grounds for seeking asylum. He also brings up that many of these people crossed through Mexico from South America to seek asylum here. I wonder why none of them sought asylum in Mexico? Think it might be because there are no free lunches in Mexico?
Remember those old phone commercials by Ma Bell with the "Phone First" jingle? It's 2018. Probably should at least hop on the internet and get your asylum paperwork started before you trek a few thousand miles to illegally cross the border and try to scam the American system after the fact.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Do you have reliable numbers for "very few"? MSM has kept that buried.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Anyone crossing the border without going thru a port of entry, EVEN IF THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, has committed the crime of illegal entry. Filing for asylum after-the-fact does not negate their illegal entry. All that filing for asylum does is put their name in some docket where their actual status will be adjudicated. And btw- very few of them will meet the high bar that is set for being granted asylum after illegal entry; and most of them will be deportable.
You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS.
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Did this used to be the Black Hole thread?
Anybody notice the MSM has been feverishly hiding the news of drastic reductions in Obamacare Rate Increases?
Libtards universally proclaimed that Trump's changes to Obamacare were going to cause Health Care Insurance rates to skyrocket. And they were planning for this to be a central campaign feature and mantra for the Mid-term Elections.
But since Facts and Truth have, as always, proven Nostradoofus Libtards completely wrong, the press is diligently keeping mum.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did this used to be the Black Hole thread?
Anybody notice the MSM has been feverishly hiding the news of drastic reductions in Obamacare Rate Increases?
Libtards universally proclaimed that Trump's changes to Obamacare were going to cause Health Care Insurance rates to skyrocket. And they were planning for this to be a central campaign feature and mantra for the Mid-term Elections.
But since Facts and Truth have, as always, proven Nostradoofus Libtards completely wrong, the press is diligently keeping mum.
Do you have data to support this?
All I have is a personal anecdote that since the year that Obamacare was instated, last November was the first year my old man hasn't told me about a massive hike in his monthly insurance premiums for my step-mom. That's not to say that there wasn't. Just that I didn't hear of one by him.
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You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS. - STINKYBREATHE
Anyone crossing the border without going thru a port of entry, EVEN IF THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, has committed the crime of illegal entry. Filing for asylum after-the-fact does not negate their illegal entry. All that filing for asylum does is put their name in some docket where their actual status will be adjudicated. And btw- very few of them will meet the high bar that is set for being granted asylum after illegal entry; and most of them will be deportable. -SIGNY
Do you have reliable numbers for "very few"? MSM has kept that buried.- JSF
Very few of what? The problem is that Immigration presents very garbled statistics. Approximately 20,000 people are granted asylum status each year. But these are people who requested asylum status both before they entered the country (legally) and after they entered the country (illegally). There are about 1.5 million legal entries and about 0.5 million* illegal entries per year (*It used to be more like 1.7 million illegal entries), so out of the total number of entries roughly 1% are granted asylum. The highest number of asylees come from China.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-stat
es
https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table19
The question that I think you're asking is What percentage of people entering the United States illegally and requesting asylum defensively are granted asylee status? Unfortunately, those statistics are buried in the bowels of the bureaucracy. I wish I had an answer, but haven't found the statistics that would allow me to even estimate that answer, much less a direct number.
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You need to look up the definition of fascism, son.
And once you've done that, you're going to have to look up the meaning of at least 4 words in that definition, just to make sure you're reading it right.
You sound like a clown when you use it.
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Quote:Yep, that's what I was asking.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
You probably don't. People seeking asylum aren't illegals. That Trump decided to treat them as such is just the beginning of your BS. - STINKYBREATHE
Anyone crossing the border without going thru a port of entry, EVEN IF THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, has committed the crime of illegal entry. Filing for asylum after-the-fact does not negate their illegal entry. All that filing for asylum does is put their name in some docket where their actual status will be adjudicated. And btw- very few of them will meet the high bar that is set for being granted asylum after illegal entry; and most of them will be deportable. -SIGNY
Do you have reliable numbers for "very few"? MSM has kept that buried.- JSF
Very few of what? The problem is that Immigration presents very garbled statistics. Approximately 20,000 people are granted asylum status each year. But these are people who requested asylum status both before they entered the country (legally) and after they entered the country (illegally). There are about 1.5 million legal entries and about 0.5 million* illegal entries per year (*It used to be more like 1.7 million illegal entries), so out of the total number of entries roughly 1% are granted asylum. The highest number of asylees come from China.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-stat
es
https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table19
The question that I think you're asking is What percentage of people entering the United States illegally and requesting asylum defensively are granted asylee status? Unfortunately, those statistics are buried in the bowels of the bureaucracy. I wish I had an answer, but haven't found the statistics that would allow me to even estimate that answer, much less a direct number.
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What I am wondering, and will likely not find out unless some tweeterverse traveler mentions here, is this:
What is Trump planning to do on Social Media this week to get Liberals ramped up and salivating, to distract from whatever else he is really doing.
No secret meetings with Kim Jung, Netanyahu, Trudeau, no surprise Peace Treaties, etc? He should be just campaigning for 4 weeks, but he seems to surprise people. Maybe he'll recruit a replacement for Rosenstein.
I really don't think I could predict the answer.
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