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Trump wants to eliminate Due Process

POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:35 AM

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The Drug War Is Pushing More Migrants to Our Borders

Over the last couple of weeks we have been bombarded by news coverage of the US government handling of foreigners illegally crossing the southern border and having their children separated from parents by our government. At first I tried to avoid subjecting myself to this circus, but I have been paying close attention for about a week.

I describe it as a circus because of the hysteria involved. Everyone from the Know- Nothing wing of the Trump party to the ultra-PC progressives, and the libertarians, and even the First Lady Melania Trump have jumped on the emotional roller coaster. The story is all the rage on talk shows and even reporters for NPR, remarkably, have shown audible signs of emotion.

Despite my diligence in reluctantly following this story, without exception there has been no coverage of the reason why these people from Central American are risking their lives during a treacherous journey. They leave all to get to a country where they face our hostile president and government and they don’t even speak the local language. While Mexicans have been crossing into America at least since the US annexed Texas in 1845 and stole the northern half of Mexico in 1848, Central American immigration to the US is a relatively new phenomenon.

If we knew what was causing this new phenomenon of the highly risky immigration we might be able to stop it and end all the hysteria. Yet, the media does not appear to be interested in discovering the cause of this effect. Maybe they are not bright enough to recognize that most effects have causes?
Central American Violence

The direct cause of this migration is violence in their home countries. The level of violence has risen dramatically in this century. According to UN statistics, the Central American country of El Salvador had the highest murder rate in the world with a recorded 83 murders per 100,000 inhabitants in 2016. Its neighbor to the north, Honduras, had the second worst rate at 57. Tiny Belize had the 7th worst rate. Guatemala was 15. th

On a recent excursion into the otherwise tranquil and picturesque country of Costa Rica, I learned that violence and murder were the country’s main problems. The murder rate there is 12, which is slightly worse than Uganda!

Looking at 20 countries with the highest murder rates, 17 are below our southern border in Central America, the Caribbean, and South America. Those facts should give us a strong hint as to what is causing the exodus from Central American countries.
America’s War on Drugs

A big factor here is our own War on Drugs. The production of illegal drugs occurs in large amounts in South and Central America. The US government has used its military and other resources to stop the shipment of these drugs via planes and boats so the smugglers use the jungles and deserts of Central America as a pipeline to the US.

In addition, the drug cartels and kingpins use the tiny Central American countries, where state security services are lightly armed, as their base of operations and for warehousing their drugs, money and weapons.

The cartels use violence and the threat of violence to intimidate the local population and governments. They do not require control over entire countries, but only a small conduit. As a result, the violence is highly concentrated in the areas they wish to have power over. In these places, life outside of the cartels is intolerable. This is the same reason for the hysteria in previous years about children without guardians making the treacherous journey from their homes in Central America to the US on their own.

If you care as much about the immigrant children in US detention centers as much as I do, then you should care at least as much about their frightened, terrorized cousins back in their home country.

Some of you might harbor the idea that a building a wall would stop illegal immigration. It won’t. Others might think that immigration is an inherently evil thing. It is not.

We have it in our power to end this trave

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 29, 2018 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Sig and myself have started threads on a variety of subjects.
You post different threads all on the same topic, other than in Cinema.

Prove it!

SGG

Lettuce take a look, since 2 May.
Here are the threads on the topic of "I hate Trump and must regurgitate and rant about the latest Fake News Libtard narrative"
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And golly, that actually accounts for EVERY SINGLE NEW THREAD YOU'VE MADE IN RWED since 2 May.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, June 29, 2018 4:40 PM

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SGG has been on quite the rant lately. Except every post he has in his delusional rant he makes a new thread. Some people really should stay on their meds.

Allow me to retort yet again...

Here are my posts from 5/2/18 to 6/26/18, yet from a different angle.

The most recent:

Due Process (submitted) 6/25 - (last Post) 6/28
Immigrant Policy change 6/23 - 6/24
Baby Jails 6/20 - 6/28
Scumbag 6/20 - 6/29
NYAG Sues 6/16 - 6/22
Wake-Up Call 6/14 - 6/22
Internment Camps 6/14 - 6/14

Below are Threads from earlier years, with recent responses in 2018.

Indiana State Police/ 10/5/16 - 5/5/18
Voter Registration

Trump Obstruction 9/2/17 - 5/8/18
Draining the Swamp 9/27/17 - 5/26/18

Yes, each thread in June has a central person in common - Trump. But each revolves around a different aspect of his lousy regime. I don't repost the same thing over and over again, each has a unique perspective regarding the Orange dictator and
his cronies. Of course, if you want to simplify it to better understand it, be my guest. I have no problem with making things easier for you (I know that you need
special help in that regard).

So that makes 6 recent posts in the month of June 2018. The rest were brought forward by posts submitted by someone other than me. Plus, one other thing:
I remember a thread that I submitted back in 2016 (I believe it was August)
regarding, what else, Trump. And I remember there being some 20-plus pages and
over 1500 posts. I got a reply from Sigs, I believe, requesting that I break
up the thread because she claimed it was too long, too many pages to go through.

So, which is it to be? One big thread, or post threads to cover a variety of
topics?

SGG

SIGNYM

Friday, June 29, 2018 5:49 PM

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Due Process (submitted) 6/25 - (last Post) 6/28
Immigrant Policy change 6/23 - 6/24
Baby Jails 6/20 - 6/28
Internment Camps 6/14 - 6/14

These are all about Trump's response to illegal immigration. IMHO it would have been better in one thread, not four.

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Scumbag 6/20 - 6/29
NYAG Sues 6/16 - 6/22
Wake-Up Call 6/14 - 6/22

THESE could be classified under a more general heading of "WHY I HATE TRUMP". It's always impossible to know which thread will "take off" and garner hundreds of replies, and which will languish in obscurity, but making your thread titles a bit broader would help people find a specific post better.

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And still... GSTRING has not YET answered what his "role" was in that movie about criminality and torture south of the border. It was an OT post of his, but left ME wanting to know more!!!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

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REAVERFAN

Friday, June 29, 2018 9:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 30, 2018 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Due Process (submitted) 6/25 - (last Post) 6/28
Immigrant Policy change 6/23 - 6/24
Baby Jails 6/20 - 6/28
Internment Camps 6/14 - 6/14
These are all about Trump's response to illegal immigration. IMHO it would have been better in one thread, not four.

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Scumbag 6/20 - 6/29
NYAG Sues 6/16 - 6/22
Wake-Up Call 6/14 - 6/22
THESE could be classified under a more general heading of "WHY I HATE TRUMP".

Color me unsurprised that reasonable people are able to see the light.

However you seem to be grouping by title only. Have you actually visited the threads? How is SCUMBAG in any way outside the other grouping, based upon the OP? Wake has no topic until SGG focuses in his 5th post, and it is Libtard Immigration Laws being enforced - to the outrage of SGG.
And AG is nothing more than a different shade of this same Fake News topic - merely a Squirrel! diversion from the Crimes committed by Hilliary, Obama, Comey, et al. These 2 Pseudo-News fabrications are barely able to register as separate movements, but merely well orchestrated passages of the same symphony.

Whatever SGG's media source, they have successfully tailored their Fake News narrative to tweak him at every page-turn of the storyline. I prefer John Camp or David Baldacci.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 3, 2018 12:19 AM

Yup, that's crickets you hear from SGG.

For 3 days.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, July 6, 2018 2:19 AM

The crickets are deafening.

THG

Friday, October 26, 2018 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"No, you're just deflecting. We're talking about Trump wanting to eliminate due process."

I'm discussing the TOPIC, which in part is the right to due process and Constitutional protections. How meaningful is that right in general?

If Obama deprives actual US citizens of due process and Constitutional protections, do you think it's a problem?

First of all "If Obama" is totally hypothetical so apparently he didn't. Seocndly,"The 1951 Refugee Convention gives migrants the right to apply for asylum in the United States, regardless of whether they entered or remained in the country legally or illegally."

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 27, 2018 6:39 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"No, you're just deflecting. We're talking about Trump wanting to eliminate due process."

I'm discussing the TOPIC, which in part is the right to due process and Constitutional protections. How meaningful is that right in general?

If Obama deprives actual US citizens of due process and Constitutional protections, do you think it's a problem?

First of all "If Obama" is totally hypothetical so apparently he didn't. Seocndly,"The 1951 Refugee Convention gives migrants the right to apply for asylum in the United States, regardless of whether they entered or remained in the country legally or illegally."

T

You should probably read up on this instead of cherry picking what you like and posting it all over these boards.

Rather than do that for you, I thought I might post something which shows that the convention has a long history of being pretty much meaningless...

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Although the Convention is "legally binding" there is no body that monitors compliance. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has supervisory responsibilities, but cannot enforce the Convention, and there is no formal mechanism for individuals to file complaints. The Convention specifies that complaints should be referred to the International Court of Justice. It appears that no nation has ever done this.

An individual may lodge a complaint with the UN Human Rights Committee under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, or with the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights under the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, but no one has ever done so in regard to violations of the Convention. Nations may levy international sanctions against violators, but no nation has ever done this.

At present, the only real consequences of violation are 1) public shaming in the press, and 2) verbal condemnation of the violator by the UN and by other nations. To date these have not proven to be significant deterrents.

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