Trump wants to eliminate Due Process
POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
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Again...the topic is due process and Trump's ignorance regarding same.
What you are talking about is "atrocities" or economic colonialism. You covered
much in your comments - completely off topic.
A couple of things. You're not going to score any brownie points, and thereby garnering attention to your post, if you continue to belittle and berate folks
here. You talk about discussing a topic dispassionately, and yet you swing for
the fences in your response, which, I think, would have the opposite affect
desired. I didn't get the impression that your comments in any way related to
the "due process" topic at hand. Perhaps if you explained how it does relate.
Plus stop insulting people, maybe, just maybe that would help.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is what I find so frustrating about all of you so-called liberals:
Despite the historical fact that the United State has repeatedly interfered with, "intervened" in, and invaded nations south of our border ...
Despite the historical fact that we did this to prop up their oligarchs and the juntas who served them, to benefit our corporations and banks ...
Despite ample evidence, from "sources" that YOU would trust that this caused poverty and violence which people are now fleeing ...
NONE of you has the integrity to stand up on your hind legs and agree that ... gee... maybe we Americans would be better served by letting those other nations deal with their own internal problems by leaving them the fuck alone
*****
And you wonder why I think that you're all just as bad as GWB? Because the way I see it, you either can't agree with what seems like a sensible idea because you hate me, proving that your bias is so strong that it overwhelms your moral code ...
Or you're deep in denial, demonstrating that your bias is so strong that it overcomes your reasoning brain ....
Or you're just a warmonger who STILL think that the USA has the "right" to kill or maim millions of people in other nations.
Or you're a coward who is unwilling to face up to the bullying, libel, and occasional threats that your freedom-loving fellow liberals like to dish out when faced with a POV that they can't discuss dispassionately.
I leave it to you to privately figure out where you are in the lineup.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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I'm sure that these poor people know American immigration Law chapter and verse.
Hell, I'm not aware of those laws. And I doubt most elected officials do, especially Trump.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is NO process "due" illegal aliens ... ie people who jumped the border ... except that they either meet the (very high) bar for political asylum seekers in an emergency situation, OR they are criminals who require punishment other than deportation. I think the law is pretty clear.
If people want to come over the border legally, instead of requesting a "migrant visa" they can try getting a "visitor visa". From there, they can request asylum.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:
SGG has been on quite the rant lately. Except every post he has in his delusional rant he makes a new thread. Some people really should stay on their meds.
A few thoughts regarding your comment above.
You could always ignore my comments, responses and threads, etc.
If I want to create a thousand threads, that's my business. What are you?
the thread police!
I took some time to do a little digging:
Since May 2, 2018 until Today (June 26, 2018) I ran the numbers on threads
submitted by You, me and Sigs. Here are the results.
JSF = 20 threads
Sigs = 20 threads
SGG = 11 threads
Check it and see for yourself.
SGG
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At this point, SHINY, I have no confidence that SECOND, G, THUGR, REAVERFAN, KPO, WISHY, or any of the self-styled liberals will pay attention to ANYTHING that I post, no matter how logical, well sourced, and on-topic. You and JO might be the exceptions. In response to logical, well-sourced and on-topic posts, I've been belittled and libeled enough here - and occasionally threatened* - to fill a book (and maybe make a lawsuit).
But, my last post WAS on-topic, and I'm going to reiterate one more on-topic point: The reason why I keep stressing POLITICAL asylum is because that's what asylum is for: People who are persecuted by their government because of government bias. So this would be groups like gays who are being beaten up by gangs who are afforded less protection than the average citizen, or ethnic subgroups who face "cleansing" by paramilitary groups, or anti-government activists who engage in legal opposition activities. It doesn't include generalized poverty, gang violence, or domestic abuse. This is an international law, there is nothing in our Constitution about political asylum
IMHO, even if we don't have a LEGAL obligation to help and accept all migrants, since we are at least PART of the source of their problems (thanks to our intrusive foreign policy) we have a MORAL obligation. Which is why I find it so very important that we stop our constant diddling around in other nations' affairs right away: to remove moral obligations which go above and beyond our legal ones.
* Such as when THUGR posted a few days ago about a[n imaginary] "friend" who was so "concerned" about "russian trolls" posting here that he gave my and KIKI's "identifying information to the FBI", or when SECOND even MORE recently posted
Quote:I'm sure you'll understand if I get a little heated after constantly being treated this way by "freedom loving liberals".
I am not wasting my time explaining to you, unless I could get my hands on you.
And now, I think I've wasted enough words and aggravation on the topic. I hope by now you understand my POV and at least PART of my solution to the migrant crisis. (My idea has five parts, ONE OF which is not fucking around in other nations and ANOTHER ONE involves not only "offering" citizenship to long-term illegal migrants, but making it a requirement). If you should ever want to discuss those ideas, I'll be happy to.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Your analogy is crazy, Signym. If you want to make a point use this analogy: I am walking down the street many miles from your house when you see me and then call the police on your cell phone to give a false statement. Signym falsely and cleverly tells the police that she thinks (not exactly 100% sure) that I broke into Signym's house and stole her job. Signym figures she is safe from going to jail for perjury because she was not under oath during the phone call to the police and there won't be a trial where Signym is sworn to tell the truth.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:SECONDRATE (oh btw thanks for the threat in the "Democrats only" thread) if you trespass into my house and the cops come and drag you out and throw you out on the street, is that depriving you of your "liberty"? Because after that, you're "free" to go anywhere, just not my house. Or are you claiming that any trespasser has a right to take up residence in my house? 'Cause that's what I get out of your ridiculous statement.
1kiki, you don't understand, do you? Trump throws them in jail, then takes them out of jail in handcuffs, detouring around a courtroom and avoiding all judges, before he forcefully deports them to any damn place on Earth that he please, not necessarily where they started from. That is depriving them of their "liberty"
You're fucked up.
Signym, the actual analogy you created is exactly why you are either a troll or crazy. There is no third choice where you have all your marbles and authentically believe what you are writing. Signym has for many years made numerous bad faith arguments like the one she just made. That is why Signym needs an ass whipping: to get you to either take your psychoactive drugs that stop your hallucinations or to punish you for being a lying sack of shit from Russia.
I came here to pass along a story that shows Trump needing an ass whipping, as does lying sack of shit Signym: US border agents hacked their “risk assessment” system to recommend detention 100% of the time
US border agents use a computerized system to help make decisions about immigrants facing deportation. Given information about an immigrant — their criminal history, work status, likelihood of fleeing, and so on — the system suggests whether to “detain” or “release” them.
Now, the Trump administration has modified that system to always give the same answer: “detain.”
“To better align [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] processes to the Executive Order on Border Security and Immigration Enforcement, a modification was made to the RCA that removed the system recommendation of ‘release’,” the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to Quartz.
More at https://qz.com/1314749
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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And still ...
None of you have had the integrity to comment that Gee, maybe it MIGHT be a good idea to not destroy other nations and kill hundreds of thousands of people"
Do you think that might be a good plan? Seriously, what do you think?
*****
And BTW SHINY, speaking of "due process" ... what "due process" are we following when we decide to muck around in another nation's business? Do you know of any Constitutional or international law that provides any justification for constantly inserting our covert ops and provocateurs, interfering in other nations' elections, hiring proxies, killing civilians with Hellfire missiles, and (on occasion) doing the whole "planes and tanks, boots on the ground" invasion??
Your single-minded focus on the "due process" of immigration law while ignoring the whole issue of illegally killing tens of thousands of people is seeing the mote in your brother's eye. I'm sure you get the biblical reference.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Sig and myself have started threads on a variety of subjects.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
SGG has been on quite the rant lately. Except every post he has in his delusional rant he makes a new thread. Some people really should stay on their meds.
A few thoughts regarding your comment above.
You could always ignore my comments, responses and threads, etc.
If I want to create a thousand threads, that's my business. What are you?
the thread police!
I took some time to do a little digging:
Since May 2, 2018 until Today (June 26, 2018) I ran the numbers on threads
submitted by You, me and Sigs. Here are the results.
JSF = 20 threads
Sigs = 20 threads
SGG = 11 threads
Check it and see for yourself.
SGG
You post different threads all on the same topic, other than in Cinema.
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Sig and myself have started threads on a variety of subjects.
You post different threads all on the same topic, other than in Cinema.
Prove it!
SGG
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And still ...
None of you have had the integrity to comment that Gee, maybe it MIGHT be a good idea to not destroy other nations and kill hundreds of thousands of people"
Really, you guys complain about intolerance, but slide right past the worst kind of "intolerance" that one can practice, that of killing people for no reason at all?
What's up with that?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.
THIS MOVIE, GSTRING? Were you in THIS movie?
So what WAS your "role" in this movie?
A question that GSTRING has avoided many times now. What WAS he, south of the border? Enlisted man? Torturer? Sniper? Recruiter? Trainer? Propagandist? Drug runner?
Peace Corps?
I really wonder.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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