Trump wants to eliminate Due Process
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Quote:To help you understand, I will quote one sentence from the Supreme Court: “He (the Chinaman) filed in the district court of the United States for the Northern district of California a petition for a writ of habeas corpus, wherein he alleged that he had not been apprehended and was not detained by virtue of the judgment, order, decree, or other judicial process of any court, or under any writ or warrant, but under the authority alleged to have been given to the collector of the port of San Francisco by the act of August 18, 1894, and that his detention was without jurisdiction, and without due process of law, and against his rights under the constitution and laws of the United States.” The port collector lost the case in the Supreme Court. Then the Chief Justice kicked the collector’s dumb ass out of court.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
This is what I get out of the ruling:
The ruling held that imprisonment for illegal US entrants as part of the expulsion process was legal.
However, EXTRA punishment (6 months hard labor, as legislated by the Chinese Exclusion Act) or punishment for capital or heinous crimes merits legal protections.
This can create more legal protections for people who are far less innocent (capital or heinous crimes).
What I get out of it is you better commit a heinous crime while in the US illegally, because you'll get better legal protection. This looks pretty fucked up to me.
Also, reading the law to me is a lot like reading the Bible. If you pick your phrases right, you'll find whatever you want.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/163/228.html
Back in 1970, at Sam Rayburn High School, my Civics teacher carefully explained that we should not throw around the phrase: “That’s Unconstitutional!” It was a big thing in the 60’s, where every ignoramus was thinking their opinions were oh so precious. I learned that what is Unconstitutional is only what the Supreme Court says, not what I think in my inexperience.
One of the Supreme Court cases we studied was Dred Scott v. Sanford in 1857, where the Justices decided that blacks are not human, never have been and never will be. The reasoning followed precisely the reasons the Constitution was drafted for the benefit of slave owners Washington and Jefferson. America was certainly better off when the clear thinking and precisely correct Chief Justice on the Dred Scott case dropped dead.
www.history.com/topics/black-history/dred-scott-case
Chief Justice Taney wrote that blacks "had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it." Taney died on the same day that his home state of Maryland abolished slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Taney
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What GSTRINg is implying is that we are - for some unfathomable reason - obligated to allow any number of entrants into the USA without any sort of limitations or even screening for criminal background.
Another lie from Sicknym the agitator. You really have decided to model yourself after Trump haven't you?
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Quote:SECONDRATE (oh btw thanks for the threat in the "Democrats only" thread) if you trespass into my house and the cops come and drag you out and throw you out on the street, is that depriving you of your "liberty"? Because after that, you're "free" to go anywhere, just not my house. Or are you claiming that any trespasser has a right to take up residence in my house? 'Cause that's what I get out of your ridiculous statement.
1kiki, you don't understand, do you? Trump throws them in jail, then takes them out of jail in handcuffs, detouring around a courtroom and avoiding all judges, before he forcefully deports them to any damn place on Earth that he please, not necessarily where they started from. That is depriving them of their "liberty"
You're fucked up.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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This is what I find so frustrating about all of you so-called liberals:
Despite the historical fact that the United State has repeatedly interfered with, "intervened" in, and invaded nations south of our border ...
Despite the historical fact that we did this to prop up their oligarchs and the juntas who served them, to benefit our corporations and banks ...
Despite ample evidence, from "sources" that YOU would trust that this caused poverty and violence which people are now fleeing ...
NONE of you has the integrity to stand up on your hind legs and agree that ... gee... maybe we Americans would be better served by letting those other nations deal with their own internal problems by leaving them the fuck alone
*****
And you wonder why I think that you're all just as bad as GWB? Because the way I see it, you either can't agree with what seems like a sensible idea because you hate me, proving that your bias is so strong that it overwhelms your moral code ...
Or you're deep in denial, demonstrating that your bias is so strong that it overcomes your reasoning brain ....
Or you're just a warmonger who STILL think that the USA has the "right" to kill or maim millions of people in other nations.
Or you're a coward who is unwilling to face up to the bullying, libel, and occasional threats that your freedom-loving fellow liberals like to dish out when faced with a POV that they can't discuss dispassionately.
I leave it to you to privately figure out where you are in the lineup.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is what I find so frustrating about all of you so-called liberals:
Despite the historical fact that the United State has repeatedly interfered with, "intervened" in, and invaded nations south of our border ...
Despite the historical fact that we did this to prop up their oligarchs and the juntas who served them, to benefit our corporations and banks ...
Despite ample evidence, from "sources" that YOU would trust that this caused poverty and violence which people are now fleeing ...
NONE of you has the integrity to stand up on your hind legs and agree that ... gee... maybe we Americans would be better served by letting those other nations deal with their own internal problems by leaving them the fuck alone
*****
And you wonder why I think that you're all just as bad as GWB? Because the way I see it, you either can't agree with what seems like a sensible idea because you hate me, proving that your bias is so strong that it overwhelms your moral code ...
Or you're deep in denial, demonstrating that your bias is so strong that it overcomes your reasoning brain ....
Or you're just a warmonger who STILL think that the USA has the "right" to kill or maim millions of people in other nations.
Or you're a coward who is unwilling to face up to the bullying, libel, and occasional threats that your freedom-loving fellow liberals like to dish out when faced with a POV that they can't discuss dispassionately.
I leave it to you to privately figure out where you are in the lineup.
I already have - guess you weren't paying attention or are lying again or just looking for another reason to agitate.
Time to stop feeding the Russian Troll - cya toots.
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Quote:Where did you even discuss the concept of not violating other nations? Certainly not in THIS thread, and nowhere that I've seen.
I already have - guess you weren't paying attention or are lying again or just looking for another reason to agitate.
The only thing that you said about the violence that WE perpetrated in other nations was Think of the children!! when I posted graphic images of the results. That, and ...
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I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.
THIS MOVIE, GSTRING? Were you in THIS movie?
So what WAS your "role" in this movie? I think I've asked a half-dozen times already, and you've avoided answering each time. Did you do something that you're ashamed of?
You and your fellow "liberals" will bleat endlessly about some process that is "due" illegal aliens, and cry crocodile tears about a crying child, and call Trump "Hitler", and NOT ONCE condemn - or even discuss, or admit - the mountains of bodies that we (including Obama) left behind.
Your silence ... well, it says nothing good about any of you. There are all kinds of examples of populations who were complicit with atrocities, and you fall right into that category, no matter how much you like to pretend to be "good people".
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Well, this thread has certainly become a disaster for the pretense of Fake Opinion posited in the OP, and the thread Title.
Every single delusion from the Left is disproven by the reasonable people. As always.
Not even including the proclamation that Hilliary is not a Liberal.
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Are you even trying to make sense?
What circumstances are you talking about?
If a person has intentionally committed the Federal Crime of Illegally Entering the country, then they are Illegally on American soil. Not a Resident Alien. Not an Admissible Alien. Not any category which is granted Constitutional Right of Due Process.
Or can you not read?
Again, we have a failure to comprehend here. When a person crosses the border
illegally, he is violating American law. You with me so far?
Okay....now, he is arrested by a border patrol agent under US law.
He is brought before a judge for adjudication (I'm not going too fast, am I?)
He is on American soil, being prosecuted for violating an American law.
Hence, American law is applied, which includes due process, which is what
is being applied.
Very simple.
SGG
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What the FUCK are you talking about? Please make sense (look who I'm talking to).
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Well, this thread has certainly become a disaster for the pretense of Fake Opinion posited in the OP, and the thread Title.
Every single delusion from the Left is disproven by the reasonable people. As always.
Not even including the proclamation that Hilliary is not a Liberal.
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There is NO process "due" illegal aliens ... ie people who jumped the border ... except that they either meet the (very high) bar for political asylum seekers in an emergency situation, OR they are criminals who require punishment other than deportation. I think the law is pretty clear.
If people want to come over the border legally, instead of requesting a "migrant visa" they can try getting a "visitor visa". From there, they can request asylum.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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