Trump wants to eliminate Due Process
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Oh, you mean I don't think people should be allowed to immigrate ILLEGALLY at will?
Do you have a problem with me wanting people to obey the laws?
Yes or no.
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A person who has made illegal entry may apply for asylum. However, the US reserves the right to detain that person while determining his/ her status. If the status is determined to be ineligible, that person may be deported immediately, at the discretion of relevant officials. That person also becomes permanently ineligible for any type of legal stay in the US in the future.
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/legal-options-undoc
umented-illegal-immigrant-stay.html
Entering the United States without approval is illegal. So is staying in the U.S. without permission after your visa or other authorized stay has expired. Even violating the terms of a legal entry can make your stay illegal.
The U.S. immigration law offers very few options to go from being illegal or undocumented immigrant to a U.S. permanent resident (with a green card).
You can apply for the right to stay in the U.S. if you qualify for asylum and apply within one year of your entry or the expiration of your authorized stay. You’ll need to show that you have been persecuted, or fear future persecution, in your home country, based on your race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. The process involves submitting an application, together with detailed documentation of your membership in the group that you claim and the persecution that you faced or fear. If you are granted asylum, you can apply for a green card one year after your approval, and for U.S. citizenship four years after that. (If denied, you will be deported.).
https://immigration.findlaw.com/visas/immigration-through-adjustment-o
f-immigrant-status.html
Those wishing to adjust to immigrant status must physically be present in the U.S. and must have entered the U.S. legally (with some exceptions, including battered family members). Whether or not you are eligible to adjust your status is determined by your basis to immigrate (detailed below): ie, whether it is family based, employment based, part of a humanitarian program, or a special case (see instructions for Form I-360 for more details).
But while you're here in the US illegally, the government reserves the right to detain you.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-stat
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Defensive Asylum: A person who is in removal proceedings may apply for asylum defensively by filing the application with an immigration judge at the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) in the Department of Justice. In other words, asylum is applied for “as a defense against removal from the U.S.” Unlike the criminal court system, EOIR does not provide appointed counsel for individuals in immigration court, even if they are unable to retain an attorney on their own.
While U.S. law provides arriving asylum seekers the right to be in the United States while their claim for protection is pending, the government has argued that it has the right to detain such individuals.
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Quote:In the 1896 case Wong Wing vs. US, the Supreme Court ruled that even an immigrant who had broken immigration law still had the right to make his case to a judge before being “deprived of life, liberty, or property.”
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile ...
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All persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/163/228.html
The court decision establishes that the US Constitution’s Fifth and Sixth amendments — which grant the right to a public trial and prohibit detention without due legal process — extend to all people on US soil. This, Trump does not know.
More at https://qz.com/1314128
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Facts? Trolls hate facts! Don't give them facts! Eww!
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2017 In this Oct. 10, 2017 photo, the Supreme Court in Washington is seen at sunset. The Supreme Court says immigrants the government has detained and is considering deporting aren't entitled by law to a bond hearing after six months in detention and then every six months if they continue to be held. The justices on Tuesday overturned a decision of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which had said the immigrants were entitled to hearings. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
Law of the land. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
In the 1896 case Wong Wing vs. US, the Supreme Court ruled that even an immigrant who had broken immigration law still had the right to make his case to a judge before being “deprived of life, liberty, or property.”
[A]ll persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
I guess it's a good thing illegal crossing is a misdemeanor.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
[A]ll persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
I guess it's a good thing illegal crossing is a misdemeanor.
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1kiki, you don't understand, do you? Trump throws them in jail, then takes them out of jail in handcuffs, detouring around a courtroom and avoiding all judges, before he forcefully deports them to any damn place on Earth that he please, not necessarily where they started from. That is depriving them of their "liberty" as in your quote "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/228/case.html
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/163us228
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Wing_v._United_States
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/163/228.html
This is what I get out of the ruling:
The ruling held that imprisonment for illegal US entrants as part of the expulsion process was legal.
However, EXTRA punishment (6 months hard labor, as legislated by the Chinese Exclusion Act) or punishment for capital or heinous crimes merits legal protections.
This can create more legal protections for people who are far less innocent (capital or heinous crimes).
What I get out of it is you better commit a heinous crime while in the US illegally, because you'll get better legal protection. This looks pretty fucked up to me.
Also, reading the law to me is a lot like reading the Bible. If you pick your phrases right, you'll find whatever you want.
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Well, this thread has certainly become a disaster for the pretense of Fake Opinion posited in the OP, and the thread Title.
Every single delusion from the Left is disproven by the reasonable people. As always.
Not even including the proclamation that Hilliary is not a Liberal.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, you mean I don't think people should be allowed to immigrate ILLEGALLY at will?
Do you have a problem with me wanting people to obey the laws?
Yes or no.
The people separated from their children are being told to plead guilty and they will see their children again: blackmailed. Then they were being deported without their children: heartless. We kiki, our government under Trump are the ones breaking the law.
This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
pilot-program-kept-asylum-seeking-migrant-families-together-n885896
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
pilot-program-kept-asylum-seeking-migrant-families-together-n885896
According to The Associated Press, cost the government $36 per day per family. By the end, it served 954 people in total, according to a 2017 Department of Homeland Security Inspector General report.
According to the Inspector General report, overall compliance in the five cities where the pilot was launched was 99 percent for ICE check-ins and appointments, and 100 percent for attendance in court hearings. Just 2 percent of participants absconded during the process.
ICE said it canceled the program because it was too expensive compared to other monitoring methods ...
“After a review of the Family Case Management Program (FCMP), ICE discontinued the program in June 2017. The rates of compliance for FCMP were consistent with other monitoring options ICE exercises under Alternatives to Detention (ATD), which proved to be a much better use of limited resources,” ICE spokesperson Sarah Rodriguez told NBC News in a statement.
A second ICE spokesman added that the other ATD methods also had a compliance rate of over 99 percent, too. Those cost between $5 and $7 a day per adult.
$18.62 trillion (2016)
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