Trump wants to eliminate Due Process

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JJ

Monday, June 25, 2018 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
We already proved the trolls wrong, chapter and verse, early on in the first few posts.

I guess they get paid by the post. Or maybe by the hour, because they keep posting long after they've been proven wrong.

And posting and posting and posting. It's a disease they have in common. When ignored they start fighting among themselves.

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JJ

Monday, June 25, 2018 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by JJ:
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.

You may include your spouse and children who are in the United States on your application at the time you file or at any time until a final decision is made on your case. To include your child on your application, the child must be under 21 and unmarried.

The problem is that these people are uneducated and don't know the process for filing. So, when they come they are treated as though they are criminals. Lets remember, the coyotes lie to them where they come from to get them go and then get their money.

What sig, jsf, jack and kiki support are taking their children, kicking them out, and then eventually kicking out the children who may never see their families again. That is despicable.

T

In a nutshell, yes. Trying to understand from an immigrant pov - legal or otherwise - is impossible for these people.
I would appreciate it if a study/studies could be done as bipartisan as possible (if that's possible) to estimate the number of immigrants this country wants and can handle. I'd like to find out why filing for legal immigration is so hard or ignored by so many. I know the Trumpians will have a simple opinion, "cuz they're lazy scum!" I'm betting there are deeper, better answers.

The studies are out there G. Polls as well.

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, June 25, 2018 9:02 PM

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Originally posted by JJ:

The studies are out there G. Polls as well.

T

I will look them up when I get time, thanks T!

Math can be manipulated of course, but it also can be a better, less emotional judge, a better guide than trying to be rational in the hyper political landscape we're in. We're just flailing about arguing over pieces without a comprehensive overall strategy. I think we'd all prefer Legal Immigration to be the rule, but we're divided on what exactly that means, and how to roll that out and respect it. As well as the basic concept of: who do we want to be, based on those choices? If we don't want "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" to be true, then we need to put a blanket over the statue.

JJ

Monday, June 25, 2018 9:13 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by JJ:

The studies are out there G. Polls as well.

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I will look them up when I get time, thanks T!

Math can be manipulated of course, but it also can be a better, less emotional judge, a better guide than trying to be rational in the hyper political landscape we're in. We're just flailing about arguing over pieces without a comprehensive overall strategy. I think we'd all prefer Legal Immigration to be the rule, but we're divided on what exactly that means, and how to roll that out and respect it. As well as the basic concept of: who do we want to be, based on those choices? If we don't want "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" to be true, then we need to put a blanket over the statue.

I just heard 70% of Americans don't want to cut back on immigration, but do want laws and a system in place to stem the flow of those who cross into this country illegally. I too worry about what will happen with this when climate change really starts to have an effect on migrant flows. I too care about how our wishes on stemming the flow went ignored for decades. How our concerns were dismissed out of hand as our wages and job security suffered.

However, I don't want decisions made concerning this country made by bigots and racists.

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, June 25, 2018 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by JJ:The studies are out there G. Polls as well.

A good primer:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don’t-they-jus
t-get-line

Many Americans wonder why all immigrants do not just come to the United States legally or simply “get in line” if they are unauthorized. These suggestions miss the point: There is no line available for unauthorized immigrants and the “regular channels” do not include them.

No “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.
Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status.

Employment-based immigration requires a U.S. employer to request specific foreign workers.
To come to the United States for employment purposes—either temporarily or permanently—foreign workers must generally have a job lined up with an eligible employer who will sponsor them. An employer can request permission to bring in specific qualified foreign workers, but only if they meet the requirements, such as job skills and education level, and if the employer cannot find a qualified U.S. worker to take the job first. Most of the qualifying professions for permanent immigration require high levels of education and professional experience, such as scientists, professors, and multinational executives. There is a limited number of temporary visas for highly skilled or internationally recognized workers. There are also temporary, seasonal opportunities for agricultural workers and certain other “less skilled” workers. In most of these cases, an employer must petition for the worker.

Family-based immigration is limited to certain close family relationships and is numerically restricted.
Qualified family members in the United States can seek permission to bring in certain eligible foreign-born family members. U.S. citizens can petition for their spouses, parents, children, and siblings. Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs, or “green card” holders) can petition for their spouses and unmarried children. There are always visas available for the spouses, parents, and minor children of U.S. citizens, but for all other family categories there are annual numerical limits. In all cases, the petitioning family member in the United States must demonstrate an income level above the poverty line and must commit to support the family member they are seeking to bring to the United States. The foreign-born persons wishing to immigrate must meet eligibility requirements as well.

Most people fleeing their home countries cannot access humanitarian protection.
Each year the United States sets a numerical limit on how many refugees will be admitted for humanitarian reasons. To be admitted as refugees, individuals must be screened by multiple international and U.S. agencies and prove that they have a “well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, membership in a particular social group, political opinion, or national origin.” Asylum seekers are individuals already in the United States who fear returning to their home countries, and they must prove they meet the definition of a refugee. An immigrant does not qualify as a refugee or an asylee because of poverty or difficult economic conditions in their home country. There are limited forms of temporary humanitarian protection available, but these are rare.

Even those who can get in line are subject to long backlogs and waits.
The demand from both family members and workers who want to immigrate to the United States is typically higher than the number of slots available each year. In addition, there is a maximum

1KIKI

Monday, June 25, 2018 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by THUGGER:
Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and federal statute. As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that: “The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights.

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Good god, ~~Kiki~~ THUGGER has to go back to 1896 to find anything remotely relevant, and then it's about Chinese immigrants in a totally different situation. Hoping no one will check? Just like Trump, these foot soldiers will stoop to anything - gore porn, obvious lying, misdirection, deflection, Obama/Clinton. The panic they must feel - how embarrassing.

Fixed that for you.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

1KIKI

Monday, June 25, 2018 10:36 PM

"Unauthorized immigrants who want to regularize their status in this country cannot just “get in line.” There are lines, but a large number of aspiring immigrants are not eligible to be in any of them."

So?

The US doesn't 'owe' immigration to anyone. No country does.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

JJ

Monday, June 25, 2018 10:37 PM

I would add to what you've posted G that the lines exist because we have rules. Rules we are entitled as a nation to establish.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:12 AM

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If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival

HOWEVER, You must be in the USA LEGALLY. These rules do NOT apply to illegal aliens.

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The problem is that these people are uneducated and don't know the process for filing.

The problem is that these people are desperate to get into the USA and don't want to pay attention to the rules for "immigrant visa". And the reason why they don't want to pay attention to those rules is because they know they probably wouldn't meet the restrictions.

However, they CAN apply for a "visitor visa" which allows them to stay 90 days in the USA, surely enough time to file for asylum or refugee status.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visi
tor.html
https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/VisaFlyer_B1B2_Ma
rch_2015.pdf

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THUGR, you posted

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These people are asylum seekers.[No, they are not. They would never meet the definition of political asylees. But, be that as it may ...SIGNY] Their only crime is not knowing how the process works. For that Sig and others think they should lose their children.

What sig, jsf, jack and kiki support are taking their children, kicking them out, and then eventually kicking out the children who may never see their families again.-

I have specifically and repeatedly posted that I think that families should be kept together, and have also repeatedly posted how I think this could be done, legally, without tripping over any "illegal detention of minors" ruling. everybody here has probably read and understood at least ONE of those posts (except, apparently, you!) so THEY all know that you're posting a serious untruth.

It would be helpful if you responded to what people have actually posted instead of your opinion. That might avoid a lot of misunderstandings.

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What GSTRINg is implying is that we are - for some unfathomable reason - obligated to allow any number of entrants into the USA without any sort of limitations or even screening for criminal background.

I agree with KIKI- NO nation is obligated to take in migrants without restriction.

Now, IMHO, we have a MORAL obligation to take in migrants because we've interfered with/ fucked over so many nations south of our border that we can be reasonably thought of as having created or at least perpetuated SOME of the problems to our south. So my solution is to remove the moral obligation by simply LEAVING OTHER NATIONS THE FUCK ALONE. Let them sort our their problems themselves without us constantly propping up their juntas and oligarchies. That removes any moral obligation on our part.

Do you suppose we could get that that agreement, perhaps? that we should stop interfering with other nations' internal politics, and let them sort it for themselves?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:18 AM

Wow, no matter how egregious or outright evil Blumpy gets, he's got his trolls here to try to excuse his every blunder.

President Trump Regrets Order Ending Family Separations, Report Says
https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/president-trump-regrets-order-endi
ng-family-separations-report-says/

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